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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / February 2006RUMOR: Is Dodge changing to CAT diesel?
Just curious. Ed Why would they do that when Mercedes already builds them. I would think that if they left Cummins, they would go their, especially since it is also owned by Daimler.  SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > Just curious. > > Ed I didn't think so. A friend brought it up. Another said the same thing you did. Thanks a bunch, Ed > Why would they do that when Mercedes already builds them. I would think > that if they left Cummins, they would go their, especially since it is also [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > > Ed >I didn't think so. A friend brought it up. Another said the same thing you >did. > >Thanks a bunch, >Ed > Bet your buddy asks you next to find out if Ford owns Cummins. :-) > You hit the nail on the head! > >I didn't think so. A friend brought it up. Another said the same thing you > >did. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Bet your buddy asks you next to find out if Ford owns Cummins. :-) Don't they??? >>I didn't think so. A friend brought it up. Another said the same thing you >>did. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Bet your buddy asks you next to find out if Ford owns Cummins. :-) >> Bet your buddy asks you next to find out if Ford owns Cummins. :-) >> > Don't they??? No. See: http://tinyurl.com/dnn48 SignatureKen That looks like a spoofed site. > >> Bet your buddy asks you next to find out if Ford owns Cummins. :-) > >> > > Don't they??? > > No. See: http://tinyurl.com/dnn48 > That looks like a spoofed site. It may look like it, but it's not (unless the entire Cummins website is a spoof). Maybe this looks less spoofish. Is that even a word? http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/customerassistance/faq/index.cfm Under the heading DodgeRam, click on #28. SignatureKen No, and the big news is everyone wants a Cummins. Toyota will probably get one if the rumor is true. Toyota being such a huge potential buyer it would cost DC a lot to monopolize the Cummins in the HD pickup market. http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/autoshows/naias2006/diesels/page1.html FWIW It's all just speculation at this point. Plus I think the article itself is broken the author says Dodge is "...the weakest player in the space with an engine/transmission combo that just doesn't measure up to superior Ford and GM diesel powertrains." This does not jive with all the Japanies companies drooling over Cummins so take it all with a grain of salt. Why would DC even try. Mercedes also builds some damn nice diesels and I would take one in place of a Cummins if they went that way. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > No, and the big news is everyone wants a Cummins. Toyota will probably > get one if the rumor is true. Toyota being such a huge potential buyer [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > the Japanies companies drooling over Cummins so take it all with a > grain of salt. why would they want to change though? the Cummins is selling on its reliability and power heck thats why i bought mine. besides it being a dodge in general, the Cummins was the BIG selling point. Signature-Chris 05 CTD 99 Durango > Why would DC even try. Mercedes also builds some damn nice diesels and I > would take one in place of a Cummins if they went that way. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > the Japanies companies drooling over Cummins so take it all with a > > grain of salt. I agree...I think that even though Mercedes does make a good powerplant, the Cummins is a bigger draw than the Merc option. Signature------------------------------------------ Laszlo Almasi Cool Toys (formerly Carolina Watercraft Works) Ice Angels > why would they want to change though? the Cummins is selling on its > reliability and power heck thats why i bought mine. besides it being a [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> > the Japanies companies drooling over Cummins so take it all with a >> > grain of salt. While I agree that the Cummins is a great engine, I would also put Mercedes above both the Duramax and the currently troublesome PowerChoke and if they could reduce the price by using an in-house engine.... SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > I agree...I think that even though Mercedes does make a good > powerplant, the Cummins is a bigger draw than the Merc option. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >> > it would cost DC a lot to monopolize the Cummins in the HD pickup > >> > market. http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/autoshows/naias2006/diesels/page1.html > >> > FWIW It's all just speculation at this point. Plus I think the article > >> > itself is broken the author says Dodge is "...the weakest player in the > >> > space with an engine/transmission combo that just doesn't measure up to > >> > superior Ford and GM diesel powertrains." This does not jive with all > >> > the Japanies companies drooling over Cummins so take it all with a > >> > grain of salt. > why would they want to change though? the Cummins is selling on its > reliability and power heck thats why i bought mine. besides it being a > dodge > in general, the Cummins was the BIG selling point. I agree totally. If ford had the Cummins I would have one in the yard. If dc goes to a mercedes power plant the questions I'd ask would be which one, hp & tq. what transmission, what truck will it go into, warranty, and of course can ya plow with it. Toyota has a diesel of it's own doesn't it? I can't see a toyota with a 900 pound engine in it. Roy > -Chris > 05 CTD [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> > the Japanies companies drooling over Cummins so take it all with a >> > grain of salt. seen one the other day it was standing on its back bumper tryin to haul the thing *grin* Signature-Chris 05 CTD 99 Durango > > why would they want to change though? the Cummins is selling on its > > reliability and power heck thats why i bought mine. besides it being a [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >> > it would cost DC a lot to monopolize the Cummins in the HD pickup > >> > market. http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/autoshows/naias2006/diesels/page1.html > >> > FWIW It's all just speculation at this point. Plus I think the article > >> > itself is broken the author says Dodge is "...the weakest player in the > >> > space with an engine/transmission combo that just doesn't measure up to > >> > superior Ford and GM diesel powertrains." This does not jive with all > >> > the Japanies companies drooling over Cummins so take it all with a > >> > grain of salt. >Why would DC even try. Mercedes also builds some damn nice diesels and I >would take one in place of a Cummins if they went that way. for sure... love to see one of their smaller turbo diesels in the Dakota and durango.. and isn't it about time for a td 1500????? mac Please remove splinters before emailing i would consider buying my wife a durango again if they put a TD in it. as it stands now her next truck is a crewcab sb 2500. Signature-Chris 05 CTD 99 Durango > >Why would DC even try. Mercedes also builds some damn nice diesels and I > >would take one in place of a Cummins if they went that way. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Please remove splinters before emailing >Just curious. > >Ed Dodge did use Cat diesels in their trucks 30 years ago. <g> I used to have a 1973 Dodge LCF C800 with a 573 CI Cat V-8 (it was listed as a special order engine). I have a few pics of it on my web site at http://www.dodge-semis.com/MT/. Dodge even used Detroit Diesel's 6-71 and 8V-71 2 stroke diesels around the same time as they used the Cats. The first number in the engine designation indicates the number of cylinders while the last 2 digits are the CI displacement of each cylinder. The most powerful Detroit Diesel used in the Dodges back then was even called a 318 as it put out 318 horsepower. It had a turbo mounted on top of a roots type supercharger. I know of a cab over Dodge L1000 with a DD 318 that is a for sale that is not to far from me. I would love to get my hands on a 12V-71. It was 2 6V-71 put end to end. Had 2 separate blowers (one for the front half of the engine and a second blower for the rear half) and each one had a turbo on top of it. <seg> Ruppster Thanks Rupp! I'll check yer site. Ed > >Just curious. > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Ruppster Pictures were great. It must have hurt to have to leave it behind. What a classic! John I think with the resounding success of the Cummins Turbo-Diesel, the mere thought of anything else under the hood is just rumor-mongering. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. There's two kinds of diesel powered pickup owners on the road today; those who have a CTD and those who wish they did >I think with the resounding success of the Cummins Turbo-Diesel, the mere >thought of anything else under the hood is just rumor-mongering. If it [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >those who have a CTD and >those who wish they did Last week I was at a dealer looking at a new CTD 3500 for towing a 5th Wheel. The hitch weight of the trailer we want pushes the limit of our 2500 so I need a 3500. The trailer I want also pushes the limits of the 3500 Dodge in towing weight. When I complained that I wasn't going to have much cushion on GCWR the Fleet truck guy said that if I wasn't in a big hurry that there were rumors of a Ram 3500 with a lot more power and gross towing weight being available late this summer in the 07's. That is all he would say. I do put a little credence to it because it is not very often that a customer, even a repeat customer is told that he should wait to spend big bucks on a truck. However that is exactly what he did, he suggested I wait for the '07s to be announced, and then we would get on the computer and order me just the truck I wanted and needed. Has anyone else heard this? Perhaps the Mercedes-Benz MBE 900 or even an MBE 4000 for the real power users and leave the other trucks in the dust once and for all. Ed >When I complained that I wasn't going to have much cushion on GCWR the >Fleet truck guy said that if I wasn't in a big hurry that there were >rumors of a Ram 3500 with a lot more power and gross towing weight being >available late this summer in the 07's. I'd wait. I haven't seen or heard anything, but Dodge and GM are playing "catch-up" to Ford's heavy hauler package (19,000+ tow capacity) with integrated brake controller. If true it may be good news to those of us for whom the current 3500 dually is a perfect fit. Power mongers such as yourself will dump their current models for the '07, leaving the rest of us with some good deals on the used ones. Kind of like the summer of '97 when the 4-door QC replaced the 2-door CC. I'm kind of in the same situation as you Ed, looking for a 3500 dually. With a potential layoff looming in the wings and negroes now living on three sides of me I figure the net of my severance check would be a nice sendoff to take to the dealership. Buy the truck, put a 4-sale sign in the yard and "me and momma" will just drive off into the sunset and become full-time RV'ers. Happiness is Houston, Texas in the rear-view mirror. >Last week I was at a dealer looking at a new CTD 3500 for towing a 5th >Wheel. >The hitch weight of the trailer we want pushes the limit of our 2500 so >I need a 3500. The trailer I want also pushes the limits of the 3500 >Dodge in towing weight. >When I complained that I wasn't going to have much cushion on GCWR the >Fleet truck guy said that if I wasn't in a big hurry that there were >rumors of a Ram 3500 with a lot more power and gross towing weight being >available late this summer in the 07's. >That is all he would say. I do put a little credence to it because it >is not very often that a customer, even a repeat customer is told that >he should wait to spend big bucks on a truck. However that is exactly >what he did, he suggested I wait for the '07s to be announced, and then >we would get on the computer and order me just the truck I wanted and >needed. >Has anyone else heard this? Perhaps the Mercedes-Benz MBE 900 or even >an MBE 4000 for the real power users and leave the other trucks in the >dust once and for all. >If true it may be good news to those of us for whom the current 3500 >dually is a perfect fit. Power mongers such as yourself will dump their >current models for the '07, leaving the rest of us with some good deals on >the used ones. Kind of like the summer of '97 when the 4-door QC replaced >the 2-door CC. That was what I was thinking myself. There may be some excellent deals this fall and perhaps I can persuade the wife that we can live with less trailer. Although, I must point out that I'm much happier when SWMBO is happy, but she is reasonable and frugal. The wife and I are retired and want to take extended trips to see the country. We have a 'vacation trailer' but it isn't conducive for full-timing. >I'm kind of in the same situation as you Ed, looking for a 3500 dually. >With a potential layoff looming in the wings and negroes now living on >three sides of me I figure the net of my severance check would be a nice >sendoff to take to the dealership. Buy the truck, put a 4-sale sign in the >yard and "me and momma" will just drive off into the sunset and become >full-time RV'ers. Sounds like an idea, I have a nephew who was a steam fitter who liked to work construction on the coasts and power plants, especially nuclear. I don't understand the in's and out's of the trade but he seemed to keep jobs lined up. He and his wife lived in a trailer or 5th wheel for years and raised two kids. Between jobs they took vacation trips around the country. And he tried to find jobs where they hadn't been before. They had a home base near Ft. Smith Arkansas where they retired to between jobs and when he finally retired. >Happiness is Houston, Texas in the rear-view mirror. I can agree with that. I spent a whole year there one hot week in August. The humidity was a killer, especially for someone from the desert where 30% humidity was considered high. The next time I was there was in January and it was nice. Ed >>Happiness is Houston, Texas in the rear-view mirror. >I can agree with that. I spent a whole year there one hot week in >August. The humidity was a killer, especially for someone from the >desert where 30% humidity was considered high. The next time I was >there was in January and it was nice. We're only here because 19 years ago a job transfer I couldn't afford to turn down brought us here from Kansas City. It sure wouldn't be my choice. Housing is really cheap even for all-brick homes, but that's about all. As miserable as the climate is in June thru September, the city has recently become a hotbed of crime, far moreso than ever before. Of the estimated 200,000 "evacuees" who landed here in Katrina's wake, most of them came from "the projects" which in case you haven't noticed, AREN'T being rebuilt. New Orleans doesn't want the scourge of their society back. They're Houston's problem now. >>>Happiness is Houston, Texas in the rear-view mirror. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >rebuilt. New Orleans doesn't want the scourge of their society back. >They're Houston's problem now. I hadn't thought of that. A 200,000 population increase of questionable characters must have put a huge strain on law enforcement and the law abiding citizens. You mentioned you were thinking of full timing. Can you retire or would you just move to a new job and call the 5er home? Actually, it sounds like moving into a trailer and out to a 30 mile commute or so might be worth the trouble. GT >I hadn't thought of that. A 200,000 population increase of questionable >characters must have put a huge strain on law enforcement and the law >abiding citizens. Houston's extremely popular mayor (won reelection practically by acclamation) is very sorry now that he opened up the Astrodome and welcomed "life's walking wounded" with open arms. He has now turned to FEMA asking for $6 mil to offset addt'l police overtime in the areas of town where these people went after they left the "Dome". >You mentioned you were thinking of full timing. Can you retire or would >you just move to a new job and call the 5er home? Actually, it sounds >like moving into a trailer and out to a 30 mile commute or so might be >worth the trouble. I'll be only 60 this year and so cannot really "afford" to retire since I won't be able to start Social Security until I'm 63. I do have a small retirement + small 401K (approx $350k total combined) which spread out over (guessing) 20 years doesn't allow for a very lavish retirement, even invested at 8~10% return. The problem is our home isn't paid for and won't be for several years, but we do have about $70k equity in it right now. We also have some issues that we need to address. We desperately need to move due to a recent and rapid deterioration of the neighborhood (white flight). We can neither afford nor do we want to purchase a new home in an Anglo neighborhood because taxes would double, house note would double, commuting distance would double, etc. The idea of full-time RV'ing seems to have some positive appeal although we would be in much closer quarters and maybe claw each other's eyes out after a month or two of living in 320 Sq Ft after previously living in 1900 sq. ft. We also have pets; 2 golden retrievers and 5 (yes, 5) cats. All are indoor pets and are considered "members of the family". Are we nuts or what? We've thought about going to the 5er now or within a year and continuing with the job as long as it lasts, but knowing that a layoff is imminent and could come at any time. Ideally I need to work 6 more years until I'm 66, but minimum I need to work 3 more until I'm 63. The layoff could come in a year tho and at age 60 you're kind of unemployable, so we were looking at full-timing as a potential way of DRAMATICALLY cutting our living expenses. The idea being that the home sale would net enough to pay off the RV and the severance check would nearly pay for the truck. We really don't want RV or truck payments in our retirement (voluntary or forced). >Pictures were great. It must have hurt to have to leave it behind. What >a classic! >John Thanks John, Yeah, it hurt having to leave it behind but that's the fun of being with the military. Right now I am trying to get my hands on another LCF C800 but this one has a 413 gas engine with a 10 speed RoadRanger tranny. Would rather have another Cat powered C800 but the one I left in Alaska is the only one I've ever come across with the Cat option. Most of the diesels were either inline 6 Cummins or Detroits. To add insult to injury there was not enough room to put the inline 6 diesels under the hood (due to the snub nose) so they had to notch out the firewall and use a cowling in the cab (like a full size van) to cover up the rear of the engine. This cowling is hard to find so converting a gas powered LCF Dodge to an inline 6 diesel is next to impossible. I know where a turbocharged Detroit 6V92 is and might try putting that in place of the 413. The bad part with that idea is that the old Detroits got about the same fuel mileage as the 413 did and with the cost of diesel fuel being higher then super unleaded I don't think it would be worth it. Oh well, six of one and half a dozen of another I guess. <g> Ruppster |
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