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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / February 200682 W150 no spark
Well, it's been a loooong time since I've been at this group! Of course, I need some help. 82 W150, 318 2bbl, no lean burn. No spark. I have voltage at both +/- at the coil, pull the coil wire of the distrib and hold near ground and still no spark. Replaced coil (2 different ones!) and coil wire...still no spark. Also replaced ballast resister and ECU (I always carry spares). I even ran a jumper straight from the ballast resister to the coil + (thnking a bad wire) and still nothing. I am going nuts! How can I have no spark when there is voltage at both terminals of the coil? PLEASE...any ideas?? If this is the standard Mopar electronic IGN system, check three things. Ballast resister: You should have .5 ohm resistance on one side, 5.0 on the other, wires disconnected. Harness to the ECU (five pin connector with phillips screw) must be disconnected while ign is OFF. Pickup coil: resistance across this should be 150-900 ohm, measured at cavity 4 and 5 in the harness connecting to the ECU, 1 being in the pointed end. If it fails, repeat test at distributor connection, if its good, suspect wiring, if bad, replace. Air gap is set using a brass or plastic feeler (NO steel) to .008". 2 3 1 4 5 ECU Harness: IGN ON....Cavity 1, 2, and 3 should show battery voltage +/- 1 volt. Check ECU ground by finding no resistance to ground on number five pin, 1 is in the pointed end. A no ground condition when ground is known to be good indicates ECU failure. 3 2 1 5 4 Tips: A bad ballast resister can cause a crank but no start conditon, and cost very little. ALWAYS carry a spare in the glove box as insurance. A pickup coil can do this, and it may also cause a hard start when engine is warm. NEVER use a steel feeler to set airgap, as it magnetizes the reluctor, causing a no start condition. Brass feelers are available from KD tools, among others, sold in bubble packs at auto parts stores. The ECU is usually not the cause, unless it fails to ground. Check ground by making sure bare metal is on both the case and the mounting point on the truck. An ECU cost around $25 IIRC, and is also cheap insurance. Biggest tip: If you don't already, get a cheap but decent multimeter, they are indespensible. -- Max "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > Well, it's been a loooong time since I've been at this group! Of > course, I need some help. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > terminals of the coil? > PLEASE...any ideas?? Hey Max--Nice to see you're still around... Appreciate the response, results of your tests below. > If this is the standard Mopar electronic IGN system, check three things. > > Ballast resister: You should have .5 ohm resistance on one side, 5.0 on the > other, wires disconnected. One sided version, OK, just replaced anyway. > Harness to the ECU (five pin connector with phillips screw) must be > disconnected while ign is OFF. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > suspect wiring, if bad, replace. Air gap is set using a brass or plastic > feeler (NO steel) to .008". 259 ohms > 2 3 > 1 > 4 5 > > ECU Harness: IGN ON....Cavity 1, 2, and 3 should show battery voltage +/- 1 > volt. 12.6V at 1 & 2, I have no pin 3 (mine's the 4 pin ECU) > Check ECU ground by finding no resistance to ground on number five pin, 1 > is in the pointed end. A no ground condition when ground is known to be good > indicates ECU failure. No continuity between pin 5 and ground. This is with my "spare" ECU. I have voltage at both +/- of the ignition coil. How can I get no spark? Even taking the distrib out of the pic and holding the coil wire near ground, I still get bo spark. The truck ran fine last weekend. Parked it, and it sat untouched for a week. Now I have this. Strange... Keep the ideas comin'! Hey Max--Nice to see you're still around... Appreciate the response, results of your tests below. > If this is the standard Mopar electronic IGN system, check three things. > > Ballast resister: You should have .5 ohm resistance on one side, 5.0 on the > other, wires disconnected. One sided version, OK, just replaced anyway. > Harness to the ECU (five pin connector with phillips screw) must be > disconnected while ign is OFF. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > suspect wiring, if bad, replace. Air gap is set using a brass or plastic > feeler (NO steel) to .008". 259 ohms > 2 3 > 1 > 4 5 > > ECU Harness: IGN ON....Cavity 1, 2, and 3 should show battery voltage +/- 1 > volt. 12.6V at 1 & 2, I have no pin 3 (mine's the 4 pin ECU) > Check ECU ground by finding no resistance to ground on number five pin, 1 > is in the pointed end. A no ground condition when ground is known to be good > indicates ECU failure. No continuity between pin 5 and ground. This is with my "spare" ECU. I have voltage at both +/- of the ignition coil. How can I get no spark? Even taking the distrib out of the pic and holding the coil wire near ground, I still get bo spark. The truck ran fine last weekend. Parked it, and it sat untouched for a week. Now I have this. Strange... Keep the ideas comin'! Ok, I see you have: > No continuity between pin 5 and ground. This is with my "spare" ECU. You MUST have continuity here. No ground here and the system does not work. One of two things cause this, bad ECU, or bad ground. On an 1982 truck that sat a week, its possible rust has broken the ground connection. Not sure what you mean by "spare", but the one on the truck running the system must be grounded. The only other possibility is wiring being broken somewhere. I have a 1975 FSM, which shows the typical Chrysler electronic ignition system, but if you find a 1982 FSM, that would be better. Then you can check all circuits for continuity using the factory wiring diagram. However, if I had to guess, I bet the ground is not working due to rust.  SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > Hey Max--Nice to see you're still around... > Appreciate the response, results of your tests below. [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > Keep the ideas comin'! Easy enuf to run a jumper from the ECU body to the -bat terminal...will try that in the AM. THANKS. Even easier to pop it off the firewall (or where ever) and clean the rust from both surfaces. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > Easy enuf to run a jumper from the ECU body to the -bat terminal...will > try that in the AM. THANKS. You don't need to connect it to the ECU, the coil negative will work just fine and is usually easier to connect to. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > Easy enuf to run a jumper from the ECU body to the -bat terminal...will > try that in the AM. THANKS. > You don't need to connect it to the ECU, the coil negative will work just > fine and is usually easier to connect to. If you are trying to ground the ECU, as he is in this case (yeah, a wire from the ECU body to negative on the battery grounds the ECU) connecting the ECU body to the negitive side of the coil would probably really screw up the ECU if it wasn't grounded. If he were trying to ground the coil with this method, it would be obvious why the truck never started, and might kill the coil. What you suggest is a bad idea. But, you know these systems so well, I'll just sit back and watch you post bullshit some more. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > You don't need to connect it to the ECU, the coil negative will work just > fine and is usually easier to connect to. > >> Easy enuf to run a jumper from the ECU body to the -bat terminal...will >> try that in the AM. THANKS. > > You don't need to connect it to the ECU, the coil negative will work just > > fine and is usually easier to connect to. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ECU body to the negitive side of the coil would probably really screw up the > ECU if it wasn't grounded. Since he didn't include the text he was referring to, I took it as he was going to test the coil itself and if so, connecting the temp wire to the coil is easier. If he is attempting to run a wire from the case of the ECU to ground, then he is just wasting his time on your bogus advice. > If he were trying to ground the coil with this method, it would be obvious > why the truck never started, and might kill the coil. If he was referring to my previous post, it will cause no harm to the coil and if he simply grounded it that way, then as you said, it would not start. > What you suggest is a bad idea. Once again, you speak without actually knowing what it was about. > But, you know these systems so well, I'll just sit back and watch you post > bullshit some more. LOL, PKB. If what I'm saying is BS, prove it. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > Since he didn't include the text he was referring to, If you read the thread, you would have had context on what he was saying, AND my answer to him. > I took it as he was > going to test the coil itself and if so, connecting the temp wire to the > coil is easier. If he is attempting to run a wire from the case of the > ECU > to ground, then he is just wasting his time on your bogus advice. Well, since I didn't advise him to use any sort of jumper wire, this would be more ASSuption on your part. >> What you suggest is a bad idea. > > Once again, you speak without actually knowing what it was about. Says the one who is about a day behind the rest of us and hasn't been reading everything he wants to reply to. >> But, you know these systems so well, I'll just sit back and watch you >> post >> bullshit some more. > > LOL, PKB. If what I'm saying is BS, prove it. YOU claimed that the coil negative would not have 12v unless grounded. But the FSM clearly states that cavity 2 on the ECU connector will have 12v, and the connector IS the ground for the coil. As such, if its disconnected for the test, and you find 12v as specified, YOUR claim that the coil negative would only have 12v when grounded is BULLSHIT. Go on blabbering, we all know you will. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> > You don't need to connect it to the ECU, the coil negative will work > just [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > LOL, PKB. If what I'm saying is BS, prove it. > > Since he didn't include the text he was referring to, > > If you read the thread, you would have had context on what he was saying, > AND my answer to him. Sorry to burst your bubble Maxi, but he was replying to both of us. > > I took it as he was > > going to test the coil itself and if so, connecting the temp wire to the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Well, since I didn't advise him to use any sort of jumper wire, this would > be more ASSuption on your part. Well, if you didn't mention using any sort of jumper wire and his response was clearly referencing the suggested use of one, it appears that he was talking to me. > >> What you suggest is a bad idea. > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > the test, and you find 12v as specified, YOUR claim that the coil negative > would only have 12v when grounded is BULLSHIT. I never said that as it would be impossible. I said that the coil had 12V on the negative side because it was NOT grounded. Learn how to read there Maxi-boy. > Go on blabbering, we all know you will. Likewise. Care to dig yourself in a little deeper. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving >> If you read the thread, you would have had context on what he was saying, >> AND my answer to him. > > Sorry to burst your bubble Maxi, but he was replying to both of us. Doesn't matter to whom he replied. You still got the jumper wire reference all screwed up, and gave bad advice based on a huge assumption on your part. >> Well, since I didn't advise him to use any sort of jumper wire, this >> would [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > was clearly referencing the suggested use of one, it appears that he was > talking to me. Doesn't matter to whom he replied. You still got the jumper wire reference all screwed up, and gave bad advice based on a huge assumption on your part. > Likewise. Care to dig yourself in a little deeper. The ony thing getting deep in here is your bullshit. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> > Since he didn't include the text he was referring to, >> [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > Likewise. Care to dig yourself in a little deeper. > >> If you read the thread, you would have had context on what he was saying, > >> AND my answer to him. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Doesn't matter to whom he replied. You still got the jumper wire reference > all screwed up, and gave bad advice based on a huge assumption on your part. No, I didn't. You just don't understand electrical systems at all. BTW, I didn't come up with the jumper wire, that was another poster. I just included it because it was a good idea to confirm the function of the coil. Funny how you didn't say anything to the person who initially came up with that idea. Why is that Max???? > >> Well, since I didn't advise him to use any sort of jumper wire, this > >> would [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Doesn't matter to whom he replied. You still got the jumper wire reference > all screwed up, and gave bad advice based on a huge assumption on your part. It most certainly does and you know it and I got nothing screwed up. You just don't like to be made the fool, especially when you are doing it to yourself and your typical repeat statements show that you really have nothing valid to say, you are just mad, LOL! > > Likewise. Care to dig yourself in a little deeper. > > The ony thing getting deep in here is your bullshit. My bullshit, LOL. I just gave him some valid advice to get him away from the crap you were misquoting from the FSM and missing key steps as well. You should really stick to transmissions because you really don't know sh.t about electrical systems. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > No, I didn't. At least not in your mind, but out here in reality, you give bad advice all the time. > You just don't understand electrical systems at all. LOL, what a laugh that is coming from the guy that thinks the negative side of the coil won't show voltage all the time. > BTW, I > didn't come up with the jumper wire, that was another poster. I just > included it because it was a good idea to confirm the function of the > coil. > Funny how you didn't say anything to the person who initially came up with > that idea. Why is that Max???? Because Nirodac said to ground the coil to a known good ground, not the ECU. What he suggested is common practice. What you suggested is foolish. > It most certainly does and you know it and I got nothing screwed up. Ok, if it matters who he replied to, you'll note the post where he replied about the jumper wire is directly in response to one of my replies. The thread history doesn't lie, unlike you. > You > just don't like to be made the fool, especially when you are doing it to > yourself and your typical repeat statements show that you really have > nothing valid to say, you are just mad, LOL! My repeat statements are because there simply isn't anything new in most of your drivel. As such, the same reply works well and saves keyboard time. > My bullshit, LOL. I just gave him some valid advice to get him away from > the crap you were misquoting from the FSM and missing key steps as well. > You should really stick to transmissions because you really don't know > sh.t > about electrical systems. Care to prove I misquoted from the FSM? If you don't post pics of the exact sections of the FSM that you think I misquoted, you are lying AGAIN. Meantime, I have my 1975 FSM sitting right here. Once you post pics of where I'm full of sh.t, I'll be glad to post pics of exactly what I said. Meantime, you go ahead and spin your lies. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> >> If you read the thread, you would have had context on what he was > saying, [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > sh.t > about electrical systems. > > No, I didn't. > > At least not in your mind, but out here in reality, you give bad advice all > the time. There really is a big difference between reality and Maxworld. > > You just don't understand electrical systems at all. > > LOL, what a laugh that is coming from the guy that thinks the negative side > of the coil won't show voltage all the time. Because it cannot but feel free to prove me wrong and show me the formula that say's any voltage can exist where resistance to ground is zero. > > BTW, I > > didn't come up with the jumper wire, that was another poster. I just [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Because Nirodac said to ground the coil to a known good ground, not the ECU. > What he suggested is common practice. What you suggested is foolish. LOL, now look at who is lying. Please indicate exactly where I ever said to ground the ECU. Once again you Alligator mouth is overrunning that hummingbird a.s. > > It most certainly does and you know it and I got nothing screwed up. > > Ok, if it matters who he replied to, you'll note the post where he replied > about the jumper wire is directly in response to one of my replies. The > thread history doesn't lie, unlike you. But you said that you never told him to use a ground wire so how could it be to one of yours? > > You > > just don't like to be made the fool, especially when you are doing it to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > My repeat statements are because there simply isn't anything new in most of > your drivel. As such, the same reply works well and saves keyboard time. You call it drivel, others call it truth, especially in this thread. > > My bullshit, LOL. I just gave him some valid advice to get him away from > > the crap you were misquoting from the FSM and missing key steps as well. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Care to prove I misquoted from the FSM? If you don't post pics of the exact > sections of the FSM that you think I misquoted, you are lying AGAIN. I don't have your 75 manual but you never mentioned checking the pickup or coil to ground to look for shorts so you in fact misquoted what the FSM procedure actually is. > Meantime, I have my 1975 FSM sitting right here. Once you post pics of where > I'm full of sh.t, I'll be glad to post pics of exactly what I said. But you didn't quote it completely which indicates that you really didn't understand what it was trying to do. > Meantime, you go ahead and spin your lies. The only lies are the ones you created in your imagination. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving I don't see any pics as proof yet. Have a nice day. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> > No, I didn't. >> [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] > > The only lies are the ones you created in your imagination. I gave you proof in a few steps you neglected to provide, probably because you didn't understand what the FSM was telling you to do. I also have yet to see anything to back up your false accusations and I know that I never will. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > I don't see any pics as proof yet. > [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > > > > The only lies are the ones you created in your imagination. You claimed that I did not provide the correct procedure. Please provide pictures of the FSM where it contradicts what I said. No pics, no proof. More lies. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >I gave you proof in a few steps you neglected to provide, probably because > you didn't understand what the FSM was telling you to do. I also have yet [quoted text clipped - 104 lines] >> > >> > The only lies are the ones you created in your imagination. LOL, like you back up anything you say. Problem is that I can't post binaries to a non-binary group. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > You claimed that I did not provide the correct procedure. Please provide > pictures of the FSM where it contradicts what I said. [quoted text clipped - 111 lines] > >> > > >> > The only lies are the ones you created in your imagination. Send them to me, Tom. I can. SignatureBudd Cochran Romans 3:23, Romans 6:23, John 3:16-17, Ephesians 2:8-9 > LOL, like you back up anything you say. Problem is that I can't post > binaries to a non-binary group. [quoted text clipped - 130 lines] >> >> > >> >> > The only lies are the ones you created in your imagination. Thanks for the offer Budd but until Maxi is willing to back up the crap he has been spewing out in this thread, it really isn't worth the time. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > Send them to me, Tom. I can. > [quoted text clipped - 132 lines] > >> >> > > >> >> > The only lies are the ones you created in your imagination. > Thanks for the offer Budd but until Maxi is willing to back up the crap he > has been spewing out in this thread, it really isn't worth the time. >> >> You claimed that I did not provide the correct procedure. Please > provide [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> >> >> More lies. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > Thanks for the offer Budd but until Maxi is willing to back up the crap he > has been spewing out in this thread, it really isn't worth the time. [quoted text clipped - 158 lines] >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The only lies are the ones you created in your imagination. You said you couldn't post a pic, I can. Ya wanna back up, your claim or not? If Max needs the service, he has the same option if needed, but I don't think he does. SignatureBudd Cochran Romans 3:23, Romans 6:23, John 3:16-17, Ephesians 2:8-9 > Thanks for the offer Budd but until Maxi is willing to back up the crap he > has been spewing out in this thread, it really isn't worth the time. [quoted text clipped - 158 lines] >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The only lies are the ones you created in your imagination. www.ramchargercentral.com will have all the information that you need on that spark problem. just register and put a post in "vehicle help". include year, model, milage, mods, stuff like that Theo/stuper > You said you couldn't post a pic, I can. Ya wanna back up, your claim or > not? [quoted text clipped - 173 lines] > *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from > http://www.SecureIX.com *** Theo, 'Tis not I with the problem of no spark, its the original poster. SignatureBudd Cochran Romans 3:23, Romans 6:23, John 3:16-17, Ephesians 2:8-9 > www.ramchargercentral.com will have all the information that you need on > that spark problem. just register and put a post in "vehicle help". [quoted text clipped - 186 lines] >> *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from >> http://www.SecureIX.com *** Post them to a web host. So far you have lots of excuses and accusations and little proof. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > LOL, like you back up anything you say. Problem is that I can't post > binaries to a non-binary group. [quoted text clipped - 130 lines] >> >> > >> >> > The only lies are the ones you created in your imagination. And you make lots of claims but yet are unable to back a single one of them up. I know better than to follow your crap anymore. When you have the ability to back up what you say you do so as in the Mercedes thread but here, all you can do is spin. Hell, even the OP bailed out when you started this childish crap. God forbid someone else has a different idea that yours, especially when you thing the other person may be right. Well, since the OP bailed out of this now childish thread, so will I so as I said to Budd, feel free to have the last word. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > Post them to a web host. > [quoted text clipped - 134 lines] > >> >> > > >> >> > The only lies are the ones you created in your imagination. So, iow, you don't wish to defend your statements and everything you say should be accepted without question? I gave you a chance to prove yourself and you've rejected it. I would have posted the pics, unmodified (why would I modify them when you could see them and tell everyone they were modified? Consider it "forced honesty" on my part if you choose), and you could have proved your point without question. I think you just screwed up any credibility you had gained in the discussion, Tom, but that's just my opinion. Max, do you need to have anything posted or does your provider permit it? SignatureBudd Cochran Romans 3:23, Romans 6:23, John 3:16-17, Ephesians 2:8-9 > And you make lots of claims but yet are unable to back a single one of > them [quoted text clipped - 171 lines] >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The only lies are the ones you created in your imagination. Thanks for the offer Budd. I'm a bit rushed right now, but later I'm sure I can post pics of the exact instructions on a pic host site, if not here. I assure anyone still reading, its just a matter of cracking open section 8 in the FSM and finding the electronic ignition pages. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > So, iow, you don't wish to defend your statements and everything you say > should be accepted without question? [quoted text clipped - 193 lines] > *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from > http://www.SecureIX.com *** You're welcome, as Tom would be if he chooses to take the offer. Traditionally, binaries, if not done to excess, aren't a problem here in this group, so I figured I'd offer the chance for both of you. SignatureBudd Cochran Romans 3:23, Romans 6:23, John 3:16-17, Ephesians 2:8-9 > Thanks for the offer Budd. > [quoted text clipped - 207 lines] >> *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from >> http://www.SecureIX.com *** SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > So, iow, you don't wish to defend your statements and everything you say > should be accepted without question? A knowlege of basic series circuits backs up what I said and since Tom L didn't jump in to correct me as usual, it must be correct. > I think you just screwed up any credibility you had gained in the > discussion, Tom, but that's just my opinion. Well Budd, with your last post in this thread revealing your complete lack of basic understanding, you opinion of my credibility here really doesn't mean all that much. > A knowlege of basic series circuits backs up what I said and since Tom L > didn't jump in to correct me as usual, it must be correct. Please don't misinterpret my lack of interest in your latest pissing match with endorsement of your position. Why not, you seem to jump in just about every other time, just like now. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > A knowlege of basic series circuits backs up what I said and since Tom L > > didn't jump in to correct me as usual, it must be correct. > > Please don't misinterpret my lack of interest in your latest pissing match > with endorsement of your position. > Why not, you seem to jump in just about every other time, just like now. You mentioned me by name, Tom.... I don't consider that "jumping in". It isn't "jumping in", Tom. SignatureBudd Cochran Romans 3:23, Romans 6:23, John 3:16-17, Ephesians 2:8-9 >> Why not, you seem to jump in just about every other time, just like now. > > You mentioned me by name, Tom.... I don't consider that "jumping in". I got the truck started today. The actual fix was replacing a bad ECU. I did not get a start immediately after replacing the bad one...due to my haste. I neglected to remove the little metal retaing nut that was stuck inside the ECU harness off the bad one, so my harness was not seating all the way on the new ECU. So...that's the end to this soap opera (I hope). I enjoyed the little pissing match I inadvertantly started! Thanks to all who posted suggestions. >I got the truck started today. The actual fix was replacing a bad ECU. Glad things worked out for you. Funny how those troubleshooting procedures that I posted led you right to the problem that your test results indicated. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >I got the truck started today. The actual fix was replacing a bad ECU. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > pissing match I inadvertantly started! Thanks to all who posted > suggestions. Yea, sure it was. Sounds to me like he swapped the part and got lucky but good for him either way. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > >I got the truck started today. The actual fix was replacing a bad ECU. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > pissing match I inadvertantly started! Thanks to all who posted > > suggestions. If you had as much of a clue about the proper troubleshooting steps as you say, you'd know thats exactly what he did. Have a nice day. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > Yea, sure it was. Sounds to me like he swapped the part and got lucky but > good for him either way. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> > pissing match I inadvertantly started! Thanks to all who posted >> > suggestions. >I got the truck started today. The actual fix was replacing a bad ECU. Glad things worked out for you. Funny how those troubleshooting procedures that I posted led you right to the problem that your test results indicated. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >I got the truck started today. The actual fix was replacing a bad ECU. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > pissing match I inadvertantly started! Thanks to all who posted > suggestions. You're welcome. I'm glad you got it running. As for the other, it seems, any more, that if I post anything, someone starts a "pissing match" over it. SignatureBudd Cochran Romans 3:23, Romans 6:23, John 3:16-17, Ephesians 2:8-9 >I got the truck started today. The actual fix was replacing a bad ECU. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > pissing match I inadvertantly started! Thanks to all who posted > suggestions. >> So, iow, you don't wish to defend your statements and everything you say >> should be accepted without question? > > A knowlege of basic series circuits backs up what I said and since Tom L > didn't jump in to correct me as usual, it must be correct. No . . .it could mean he's tired of correcting you then being on the receiving end of another of your whiney baby rants. >> I think you just screwed up any credibility you had gained in the >> discussion, Tom, but that's just my opinion. > > Well Budd, with your last post in this thread revealing your complete lack > of basic understanding, you opinion of my credibility here really doesn't > mean all that much. ROTFLMBO!!!!!!!! Tom, are you that desperate to discredit me that you have to fling a simple ADMITTED error back in the discussion? An admitted error does not ruin one's credibility, it increases it, and it jerks the ladder out from under an attacker's credibility. SignatureBudd Cochran Romans 3:23, Romans 6:23, John 3:16-17, Ephesians 2:8-9 I don't see any pics as proof yet. Have a nice day. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> > No, I didn't. >> [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] > > The only lies are the ones you created in your imagination. You have +12V on both sides of the coil because there is no ground available. The ignition works by switching the ground on and off on the coil primary and yours is in a switched off mode. I don't remember what type of transistor it is using so this may be normal when the engine is not cranking and if so would indicate either a bad pickup coil or reluctor (star shaped wheel in the distributor) otherwise it could be a bad connection between the coil negative and the ECU. It could also be that the pickup coil is loose and has moved to far away from the reluctor to send a strong enough trigger signal to the ECU. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > Well, it's been a loooong time since I've been at this group! Of > course, I need some help. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > terminals of the coil? > PLEASE...any ideas?? > You have +12V on both sides of the coil because there is no ground > available. He'll have 12v on both sides because the switch isn't inside the coil. Since he has voltage on both sides of the coil, its an indication that the primary side is good, since it should have complete circuit through it. Resistance according to spec should be about 1.6 to 1.8 ohms for Prestolite and 1.4 to 1.55 for Essex on the primary side. This would be found during testing by looking for battery voltage on the #2 cavity on the ECU connector. This comes from the ignition switch. Switching is inside the ECU. > The ignition works by switching the ground on and off on the > coil primary and yours is in a switched off mode. I don't remember what [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > coil is loose and has moved to far away from the reluctor to send a strong > enough trigger signal to the ECU. All of which can be found with the tests I described. I'd bet on a rusted ground for the ECU, or a pickup coil failure, assuming all wires are still in good shape. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > You have +12V on both sides of the coil because there is no ground > available. The ignition works by switching the ground on and off on the [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> terminals of the coil? >> PLEASE...any ideas?? OK. My spare ECU must be dead. No continuity between pin 5 and it's body. The "old" ECU does have continuity between pin 5 and its body, do I wire-brushed the mount, bolts, and firewall. Good continuity between pin 5 and ground now. Still no start/spark. NOW...I noticed that there was some ooze on the firewall starting directly under the bottom of the ECU. Also a rusty spot on the ECU at the same spot. I'm on my way to the parts store for a new ECU unless someone has another test to run first? THANKS ALL! > I'm on my way to the parts store for a new ECU unless someone has > another test to run first? No Go with the new ECU..and it's cold and snowing like mad. Obviously, thowing parts at it isn't the answer, so I'll have to find my gremlin in the wiring somewhere... According to the FSM, the only other thing that can be wrong is the coil. The FSM actually suggests swapping out the ECU and then the coil if the new ECU doesn't work. Beyond that, ring out the wiring and see if there are any shorts. Given that I'm looking at 1975 info, you should find a 1982 manual if at all possible. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> I'm on my way to the parts store for a new ECU unless someone has >> another test to run first? > > No Go with the new ECU..and it's cold and snowing like mad. Obviously, > thowing parts at it isn't the answer, so I'll have to find my gremlin > in the wiring somewhere... Did you try replacing the pickup coil in the distributor or at least check for continuity between the two pins coming from the distributor? SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > > I'm on my way to the parts store for a new ECU unless someone has [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > thowing parts at it isn't the answer, so I'll have to find my gremlin > in the wiring somewhere... > Did you try replacing the pickup coil in the distributor or at least check > for continuity between the two pins coming from the distributor? Part of the test procedure that I listed for him does exactly that. It does not have perfect continuity, and I listed the resistance value as well. You awake and ok? SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > Did you try replacing the pickup coil in the distributor or at least check > for continuity between the two pins coming from the distributor? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> thowing parts at it isn't the answer, so I'll have to find my gremlin >> in the wiring somewhere... > > Did you try replacing the pickup coil in the distributor or at least check > > for continuity between the two pins coming from the distributor? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You awake and ok? Just because you told him to do it doesn't mean that he did so I asked. Are you awake? SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > Just because you told him to do it doesn't mean that he did so I asked. > Are > you awake? Yup, I read his reply where he listed what he did in reply to my post. Just checking. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> > Did you try replacing the pickup coil in the distributor or at least > check [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Are > you awake? He checked the resistance but I don't see where he checked the gap. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > Just because you told him to do it doesn't mean that he did so I asked. > > Are [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Are > > you awake? > > You have +12V on both sides of the coil because there is no ground > > available. > > He'll have 12v on both sides because the switch isn't inside the coil. What in the hell are you talking about Max? The coil not being grounded is the ONLY reason that he is getting 12V on both sides. You really need to pick up a little electrical theory here dude. > Since he has voltage on both sides of the coil, its an indication that the primary > side is good, since it should have complete circuit through it. Resistance > according to spec should be about 1.6 to 1.8 ohms for Prestolite and 1.4 to > 1.55 for Essex on the primary side. If the internals of the coil are ok or completely shorted he will still get 12V on both sides if the negative terminal is not grounded so getting 12V on both sides of the coil only indicates that the coil is not open, not that it is good. It also indicates that the coil primary is not grounded at that point which may also be normal when the engine is not running. Your resistance measurement is the only way to tell if the primary side is good. > This would be found during testing by looking for battery voltage on the #2 > cavity on the ECU connector. This comes from the ignition switch. Switching > is inside the ECU. I think that I already said that but it is the ground that is switched, not the hot side. > > The ignition works by switching the ground on and off on the > > coil primary and yours is in a switched off mode. I don't remember what [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > ground for the ECU, or a pickup coil failure, assuming all wires are still > in good shape. I doubt that the ground on the ECU has anything to do with it as he has already replaced it and simply removing and retightening the ECU should have cleaned up that ground enough to work. It could be a pickup coil failure or a wiring problem but I doubt much else. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > What in the hell are you talking about Max? The coil not being grounded > is > the ONLY reason that he is getting 12V on both sides. You really need to > pick up a little electrical theory here dude. And you need to look at hte wiring diagram. Coil on this set up is fed from the ignition switch, so its hot on both sides unless it has a break in the windings. It is switched at ground (you knew that!) and as such will be hot on both sides no matter what the switch position is. > If the internals of the coil are ok or completely shorted he will still > get [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > resistance measurement is the only way to tell if the primary side is > good. Correct, but the voltage reading on both sides indicates that the circuit (not the coil) is functioning as it should. > I think that I already said that but it is the ground that is switched, > not > the hot side. Precisely why the coil will have 12v on both positive and negative terminals. > I doubt that the ground on the ECU has anything to do with it as he has > already replaced it and simply removing and retightening the ECU should > have > cleaned up that ground enough to work. It could be a pickup coil failure > or > a wiring problem but I doubt much else. Personal experience tells me you could be wrong on the rust issue. Test results posted by the OP tell me you are wrong on the pickup coil. That leaves coil and wiring issues, as I stated previously. Interesting idea... test the coil while cranking, see if the ign switch feeds 12v during cranking as well as "run". SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> > You have +12V on both sides of the coil because there is no ground >> > available. [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > or > a wiring problem but I doubt much else. > > What in the hell are you talking about Max? The coil not being grounded > > is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > windings. It is switched at ground (you knew that!) and as such will be hot > on both sides no matter what the switch position is. I am aware of the wiring Max and if you understood it you would realise that it is impossible for 12V to be on both sides of the coil at all times. When the switch is "on" or conducting, the voltage on the negative side will be just about zero as the coil will drop the voltage and for that matter, even the positive side will not be at 12V due to a voltage drop from the ballast resistor. > > If the internals of the coil are ok or completely shorted he will still > > get [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Correct, but the voltage reading on both sides indicates that the circuit > (not the coil) is functioning as it should. How do you know? If the circuit is not conducting and never does, then something IS wrong and that 12V on both sides means little, only that it is not completely dead. > > I think that I already said that but it is the ground that is switched, > > not > > the hot side. > > Precisely why the coil will have 12v on both positive and negative > terminals. You need to do a little review of a simple circuit to see how wrong you are here. If one side is grounded, then there will be no measurable voltage on that side so during the non-conducting phase you would be correct but during the conducting phase (coil build up) the ground side has to be zero. > > I doubt that the ground on the ECU has anything to do with it as he has > > already replaced it and simply removing and retightening the ECU should [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Personal experience tells me you could be wrong on the rust issue. Test > results posted by the OP tell me you are wrong on the pickup coil. I could be but I doubt it. As for the pickup coil, since he replaced everything but the pickup and reluctor, it looks like the most likely cause. If it is a ground issue, just put a continuity tester on one of the bolts holding the ECU and the other side on the negative of the battery. If he has continuity, then he has a ground, simple as that. > That leaves coil and wiring issues, as I stated previously. > > Interesting idea... test the coil while cranking, see if the ign switch > feeds 12v during cranking as well as "run". You will never get 12V when cranking as the starter motor draws too much current. That is why the ballast resistor is bypassed during cranking to boost the voltage up as much as possible. What he really should do is put a dwell meter across the coil and crank it. If he gets a valid reading, then the primary side of the circuit is ok. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > Interesting idea... test the coil while cranking, see if the ign switch > > feeds 12v during cranking as well as "run". [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > dwell meter across the coil and crank it. If he gets a valid reading, then > the primary side of the circuit is ok. I got about 6-1/2 volts at the prime coil + while cranking...measured before I replaced the coil (and not since). As far as it being the PU coil/reluctor, those are "after" the primary coil and I am not getting a spark out it when holding the coil wire near ground during crank. Here's a scan from the FSM of the wiring diagram: http://www.geocities.com/thecordobaman/82dodge.JPG Note that I have the SINGLE pickup system in my distrib (the diagram in the book is for the dual style, however everything else is the same). As soon as the wind/snow dies down I'm going to start the FSM troubleshoot proceure all over again, fresh. > I got about 6-1/2 volts at the prime coil + while cranking...measured > before I replaced the coil (and not since). As far as it being the PU > coil/reluctor, those are "after" the primary coil and I am not getting > a spark out it when holding the coil wire near ground during crank. 6.5v is too low. Look for a problem between the battery and the ignition switch, and then to the ballast resister, and then to the coil positive. This voltage would indicate that cavity two isn't getting battery voltage like it should to pass the test procedure. > Here's a scan from the FSM of the wiring diagram: > http://www.geocities.com/thecordobaman/82dodge.JPG [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > As soon as the wind/snow dies down I'm going to start the FSM > troubleshoot proceure all over again, fresh. Cavity two will be a problem. Trace back through: coil negative coil positive ballast resistor connections If all those fail to show 12v or the required voltage by your FSM (mine calls for 12v) suspect the ignition switch as the cause. Also, its possible the ammeter is doing weird things, as its in the circuit. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> > Interesting idea... test the coil while cranking, see if the ign switch >> > feeds 12v during cranking as well as "run". [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > As soon as the wind/snow dies down I'm going to start the FSM > troubleshoot proceure all over again, fresh. > > > Interesting idea... test the coil while cranking, see if the ign switch > > > feeds 12v during cranking as well as "run". [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I got about 6-1/2 volts at the prime coil + while cranking...measured > before I replaced the coil (and not since). That voltage seems a bit on the low side. Unplug the ballast resistor and try measuring voltage again while cranking. If you have no voltage then you have a problem with the ignition switch and if it is still at around 6 volts, I would reconnect the ballast resistor and attempt a jump start (even if it seems to be cranking ok). This could be nothing more than a bad battery. > As far as it being the PU > coil/reluctor, those are "after" the primary coil and I am not getting > a spark out it when holding the coil wire near ground during crank. They are NOT "after the primary circuit, in fact, they control it. They take the place of the points in a standard ignition system as far as triggering the spark. The difference is that they don't deal with the voltage and current from the coil that points do, that is handled by the ECU. Did you check the air gap between the reluctor and the pickup coil with a non-magnetic feeler gauge? You are not getting spark because either nothing is triggering the coil or the coil is bad. To test the coil, connect your jumper wire to the negative side of the coil and with the ignition on and holding the coil wire near ground, connect you jumper to ground and then remove it again. You should get a spark every time you remove it from ground. > Here's a scan from the FSM of the wiring diagram: > http://www.geocities.com/thecordobaman/82dodge.JPG I am very familiar with this ignition system after dealing with it for many years. > Note that I have the SINGLE pickup system in my distrib (the diagram in > the book is for the dual style, however everything else is the same). That just simplifies the system and removes more possible points of failure. > As soon as the wind/snow dies down I'm going to start the FSM > troubleshoot proceure all over again, fresh. Here is something else to look at. Does the distributor rotate when you are cranking the engine? I would check this first if you have not already done so. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving >> Here's a scan from the FSM of the wiring diagram: >> http://www.geocities.com/thecordobaman/82dodge.JPG > > I am very familiar with this ignition system after dealing with it for > many > years. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA No, you aren't. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> > > Interesting idea... test the coil while cranking, see if the ign > switch [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > done > so. I thought that we were done? Back to your childish reactions again I see but we all know that is your way to admit to being wrong or not knowing everything that you claim to. Now go study up in that FSM again, maybe you might actually learn how the system works. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > >> Here's a scan from the FSM of the wiring diagram: > >> http://www.geocities.com/thecordobaman/82dodge.JPG [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > > done > > so. >> > > Interesting idea... test the coil while cranking, see if the ign > switch [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > if it seems to be cranking ok). This could be nothing more than a bad > battery. Tom, if he disconnects the ballast, he won't get ANY voltage to the ECU or the coil. >> As far as it being the PU >> coil/reluctor, those are "after" the primary coil and I am not getting [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > ground and then remove it again. You should get a spark every time you > remove it from ground. Or he could, as Max said check the resistance: primary "+" to Primary"-" about 1 ohm. Secondary tower to primary "-" about 1-4 K ohms. >> Here's a scan from the FSM of the wiring diagram: >> http://www.geocities.com/thecordobaman/82dodge.JPG > > I am very familiar with this ignition system after dealing with it for > many > years. Then how come you're screwing up? >> Note that I have the SINGLE pickup system in my distrib (the diagram in >> the book is for the dual style, however everything else is the same). [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > done > so. Gee, Tom, do you think he might have taken the cap off to check rotor / cap condition and maybe bumped the engine over? No, not you, you wouldn't give anyone the credit to do that. Budd > >> > > Interesting idea... test the coil while cranking, see if the ign > > switch [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Tom, if he disconnects the ballast, he won't get ANY voltage to the ECU or > the coil. That is simply not true. His ECU does NOT get its voltage from the ballast resistor as he has a single resistor and no pin 3 on his unit. Pin 1 gets voltage DIRECTLY from the ignition switch as does the ballast resistor. The coil does get its voltage from the ballast resistor EXCEPT WHEN CRANKING where its voltage also comes directly from the ignition switch! The purpose of this test is to make sure that the ballast resistor bypass during cranking is working. Next time, understand what you are talking about before jumping in to defend your friend and wind up just making an a.s out of yourself. > >> As far as it being the PU > >> coil/reluctor, those are "after" the primary coil and I am not getting [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Or he could, as Max said check the resistance: primary "+" to Primary"-" > about 1 ohm. Secondary tower to primary "-" about 1-4 K ohms. That still doesn't guarantee that the coil is good as there could be a short to ground in the windings that will not be seen measuring terminal to terminal. > >> Here's a scan from the FSM of the wiring diagram: > >> http://www.geocities.com/thecordobaman/82dodge.JPG [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Then how come you're screwing up? That would once again be you Budd. Perhaps you should review the operation before you just jump in and look stupid. > >> Note that I have the SINGLE pickup system in my distrib (the diagram in > >> the book is for the dual style, however everything else is the same). [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Gee, Tom, do you think he might have taken the cap off to check rotor / cap > condition and maybe bumped the engine over? As a matter of fact, I don't know that he did and neither do you. > No, not you, you wouldn't give anyone the credit to do that. You know what they say about ASSumptions, right??? In many cases it is the obvious that gets overlooked because everyone ASSumes that it was done when it in fact was not. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving No, Tom, the mistake was made by you as you did not mention a single thing about needing to hold the key in the START position to supply voltage to the coil to be measured. Thank you for screwing up and beginning the name calling as usual. Btw, the a.s is a excellent domesticated beast of burden that is known for loyalty, determination and surprising intelligence. And I would rather be compared to an a.s than to be compared to you. Budd >> >> > > Interesting idea... test the coil while cranking, see if the ign >> > switch [quoted text clipped - 116 lines] > when > it in fact was not. > No, Tom, the mistake was made by you as you did not mention a single thing > about needing to hold the key in the START position to supply voltage to the > coil to be measured. Really Budd, did you miss this: > >> > That voltage seems a bit on the low side. Unplug the ballast resistor > > and > >> > try measuring voltage again while CRANKING. It is still in the text below without the caps. Now perhaps you could explain to the rest of us how to crank the engine without turning the key to the start position, unless of course you ASSumed that he would hotwire the starter. You just keep digging deeper. > Thank you for screwing up and beginning the name calling as usual. Once again you are wrong as I didn't call you names, I simply suggested what you were doing to yourself. And speaking of screwing up, what about your BS that the ECU gets its power from the ballast resistor and before you say it, he already said that he had the 4 pin version of the ECU in the post that you replied to. > Btw, the a.s is a excellent domesticated beast of burden that is known for > loyalty, determination and surprising intelligence. IOW, the polar opposit of the way you are acting again. Grow up Budd. > And I would rather be compared to an a.s than to be compared to you. I guess that you would rather be compared to an a.s rather than a man because you are still not man enough to admit to being wrong or jhaving enough class to just shut up. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > >> >> > > Interesting idea... test the coil while cranking, see if the ign [quoted text clipped - 117 lines] > > when > > it in fact was not. >> No, Tom, the mistake was made by you as you did not mention a single >> thing [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > the start position, unless of course you ASSumed that he would hotwire the > starter. You just keep digging deeper. Ok, I missed it, so shoot me. But you'll NEVER remember me admitting to this or anyother mistake, will you? >> Thank you for screwing up and beginning the name calling as usual. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > he already said that he had the 4 pin version of the ECU in the post that > you replied to. My, my, it was Max you accused of that mistake, not me. You hate me so much you have to yell at me for things I never did. And you insinuated I was an a.s, the same as calling me one. >> Btw, the a.s is a excellent domesticated beast of burden that is known >> for >> loyalty, determination and surprising intelligence. > > IOW, the polar opposit of the way you are acting again. Grow up Budd. No, you grow up and practice the tolerance you liberals accuse everyone else of needing to have. >> And I would rather be compared to an a.s than to be compared to you. > > I guess that you would rather be compared to an a.s rather than a man > because you are still not man enough to admit to being wrong or jhaving > enough class to just shut up. Did someone lie to you about you being a man again? No, Tom, I consider you to be the rectum of the group. Unwiped, hemorrhoidal, full of excrement and happiest when you're in the toilet even when in your usual condition of diarrhea of the brain. You brag about being receptive of criticism, but you never, NEVER are. If anyone was to dare tell you where you screwed up, it opens them up for one of your vulagar tirades. Max and I seem to be the only ones with the constitution to tolerate your sheer idiocy. Well, I've wasted my time on you again. I guess I keep hoping for a miracle to take place in you. Ah, well . . . . Budd John 3:16-17 > >> No, Tom, the mistake was made by you as you did not mention a single > >> thing [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Ok, I missed it, so shoot me. But you'll NEVER remember me admitting to this > or anyother mistake, will you? If you actually admit to it but I doubt that you ever will. Face it Budd, you jumped in here for no other reason but to defend your buddy and attack me in your all too typical childish manor and were wrong and still not man enough to admit to it. All you can say is that you missed one point but you were actually WRONG on everything. > >> Thank you for screwing up and beginning the name calling as usual. > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > My, my, it was Max you accused of that mistake, not me. You hate me so much > you have to yell at me for things I never did. Once again Budd, did you forget when you said this: > >> Tom, if he disconnects the ballast, he won't get ANY voltage to the ECU > >> or > >> the coil. Sorry Budd, but it was still YOU and the second part was put in to prevent you from making the claim about pin 3 that doesn't exist on his unit. As for hating you, I really don't know you well enough and with the way you have been acting, don't really have any desire to. > And you insinuated I was an a.s, the same as calling me one. No, I said that you are acting like one and you are. > >> Btw, the a.s is a excellent domesticated beast of burden that is known > >> for [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > No, you grow up and practice the tolerance you liberals accuse everyone else > of needing to have. Grow up Budd and stop trying to spin it into something else. > >> And I would rather be compared to an a.s than to be compared to you. > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > happiest when you're in the toilet even when in your usual condition of > diarrhea of the brain. Now who is the one who resorts to pure name calling? Who seems to hate who now???? And BTW, so much for that admission of error now that you are once again accusing me of having diarrhea of the brain along with the rest of your childish name calling. > You brag about being receptive of criticism, but you never, NEVER are. If > anyone was to dare tell you where you screwed up, it opens them up for one > of your vulagar tirades. Max and I seem to be the only ones with the > constitution to tolerate your sheer idiocy. The problem here Budd is that I am not wrong unlike you and you are just too hatefull to admit to it or even to just shut up and like I said, so much for that admission of error but then again, it would take a real man to do that. > Well, I've wasted my time on you again. I guess I keep hoping for a miracle > to take place in you. Ah, well . . . . Yes Budd, you did waste time, the time it took for everyone to read your typical childish crap which does nothing for the OP or anyone else interested in how this ignition works. The sad thing is that once again, I let you and the other idiot drag me into this childish arguing again but it's sadly as much my fault as anything for allowing it. At least now I eventually realize it and stop like now so feel free to have the last word Budd.... SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving >> >> No, Tom, the mistake was made by you as you did not mention a single >> >> thing [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > If you actually admit to it but I doubt that you ever will. BUH-WA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!! With the evidence right in front of you that, unlike you, I admit my errors, you still deny the evidence. Thank you for proving your uselessness to the Human Species. > Face it Budd, > you jumped in here for no other reason but to defend your buddy and attack > me in your all too typical childish manor and were wrong and still not man > enough to admit to it. All you can say is that you missed one point but > you > were actually WRONG on everything. Face it, Tom, you jumped in because Max was giving correct answers and you weren't being noticed. >> >> Thank you for screwing up and beginning the name calling as usual. >> > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > for hating you, I really don't know you well enough and with the way you > have been acting, don't really have any desire to. Ah, Tom, your continuous diatribes against my beliefs, my politics, my correct answers to questions, or just my presence in the group is all that is needed to prove you can't practice the tolerance you love to preach and your hatred of me. >> And you insinuat |
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