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Nathan W. Collier - 26 Feb 2006 17:32 GMT
6.7 liters, 325hp/750 ft. lbs.

http://www.everytime.cummins.com/every/news/release73.jsp

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Greg Surratt - 26 Feb 2006 18:26 GMT
>6.7 liters, 325hp/750 ft. lbs.
>
>http://www.everytime.cummins.com/every/news/release73.jsp

Didn't I see numbers for the '07 Duramax posted not too long ago?  How
do they compare?

What's this going to do for GCWR/GVWR?

And will Dodge have an integrated brake controller?
Big Al - 26 Feb 2006 20:38 GMT
> 6.7 liters, 325hp/750 ft. lbs.
>
> http://www.everytime.cummins.com/every/news/release73.jsp

I don't see anything about it being in a pickup.

Al
BigIronRam - 02 Mar 2006 03:06 GMT
>> 6.7 liters, 325hp/750 ft. lbs.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Al

Here you go!

https://www.fleet.chrysler.com/fleetcda/files/site1/type5/807_en_e_ram3500_specs
_en.pdf

Tom Lawrence - 02 Mar 2006 05:26 GMT
> https://www.fleet.chrysler.com/fleetcda/files/site1/type5/807_en_e_ram3500_specs
_en.pdf

Yeah - except somebody messed up on the ratings...  305HP/610lb.ft.?
Oops...  wrong engine.

What caught my eye more was the 6spd auto trans...  'bout damn time.
BigIronRam - 03 Mar 2006 01:05 GMT
>> https://www.fleet.chrysler.com/fleetcda/files/site1/type5/807_en_e_ram3500_specs
_en.pdf

>
> Yeah - except somebody messed up on the ratings...  305HP/610lb.ft.?
> Oops...  wrong engine.
>
> What caught my eye more was the 6spd auto trans...  'bout damn time.

Well, according to Steve, no 6.7 liter for the pickups, they'll continue to
use the current 5.9 engine.

No Aisin six speed for pickups either, bummer.
Tom Lawrence - 03 Mar 2006 05:47 GMT
> Well, according to Steve, no 6.7 liter for the pickups, they'll continue
> to use the current 5.9 engine.

I find that hard to believe - given the competion's lead in the HP and
torque wars.  I guess we'll know for sure in 5 months or so
Carolina Watercraft Works - 03 Mar 2006 15:58 GMT
I'd imagine they have quite a few of the 5.7 powerplants that still need
to be installed.  And do yoiu think that while Cummins is releasing it in
'07 Dodge may need a year or 2 to work it into their truck line?

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>> Well, according to Steve, no 6.7 liter for the pickups, they'll continue
>> to use the current 5.9 engine.
>
> I find that hard to believe - given the competion's lead in the HP and
> torque wars.  I guess we'll know for sure in 5 months or so
Tom Lawrence - 03 Mar 2006 16:09 GMT
> to be installed.  And do yoiu think that while Cummins is releasing it in
> '07 Dodge may need a year or 2 to work it into their truck line?

I might accept that, if Dodge didn't already announce their new 3500 chassis
cab would indeed use the 6.7L engine.  Why, then, would they keep the 5.9L
in the 2500/3500 pickups?  It doesn't make sense.
Christopher  Thompson - 03 Mar 2006 16:27 GMT
> > to be installed.  And do yoiu think that while Cummins is releasing it in
> > '07 Dodge may need a year or 2 to work it into their truck line?
>
> I might accept that, if Dodge didn't already announce their new 3500 chassis
> cab would indeed use the 6.7L engine.  Why, then, would they keep the 5.9L
> in the 2500/3500 pickups?  It doesn't make sense.

id agree, im sure they dont have such a super huge overstock of the old 5.9
isb sitting around so they couldnt introduce the new 6.7 isb with the 07
model year.

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Carolina Watercraft Works - 03 Mar 2006 17:11 GMT
Good points.  Maybe they intend to "Hoover" Ram owners into buying a
new model in several years by introducing the 6.7 down the road a ways.

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>> > to be installed.  And do yoiu think that while Cummins is releasing it
> in
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> isb sitting around so they couldnt introduce the new 6.7 isb with the 07
> model year.
TBone - 05 Mar 2006 16:16 GMT
It actually makes perfect sense.  Many people buying the new diesels are
doing so because of their superior MPG over their gas counterparts and more
power as well.  Unless this new 6.7 gets as good or better mileage as the
5.9, what is the real advantage?  While admittedly not an expert, from what
I'm reading on here, the current trucks main limitations on towing and load
do not appear to be due to the engine so for the average P/U owner, what is
the real advantage of this bigger engine?  All I see is a higher cost, lower
MPG, and a higher risk of drive train component failure, all negatives to
me.  Since the 3500 chassis version is geared toward commercial service
where Ford is kicking a.s, the added power is needed to become more
competitive in towing and other commercial applications.

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> > to be installed.  And do yoiu think that while Cummins is releasing it in
> > '07 Dodge may need a year or 2 to work it into their truck line?
>
> I might accept that, if Dodge didn't already announce their new 3500 chassis
> cab would indeed use the 6.7L engine.  Why, then, would they keep the 5.9L
> in the 2500/3500 pickups?  It doesn't make sense.
Greg Surratt - 05 Mar 2006 20:29 GMT
>It actually makes perfect sense.  Many people buying the new diesels are
>doing so because of their superior MPG over their gas counterparts and more
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>where Ford is kicking a.s, the added power is needed to become more
>competitive in towing and other commercial applications.

It's all about numbers.  
Ford says they have a truck that can tow 19,000 lbs.  
GM says they have more hp and torque than the others.  
Dodge can now claim the largest displacement in a six cylinder diesel

- OH, WAIT!  

They've always been able to make that claim, haven't they?    ;-)    

And don't forget about "fewer moving parts" because more is not always
better.
Nosey - 06 Mar 2006 02:37 GMT
>>> https://www.fleet.chrysler.com/fleetcda/files/site1/type5/807_en_e_ram3500_specs
_en.pdf

>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> No Aisin six speed for pickups either, bummer.

I waited for someone else to ask this but nobody did. Where is Dodge going
to get 5.9L engines if Cummins stops making them? Is DC going to discontinue
the diesel option on 2500 and 3500 pickups? Are not *all* Cummins ISB
engines going to be 6.7 liters in 2007?
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BigIronRam - 06 Mar 2006 03:10 GMT
>>>> https://www.fleet.chrysler.com/fleetcda/files/site1/type5/807_en_e_ram3500_specs
_en.pdf

>>>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> discontinue the diesel option on 2500 and 3500 pickups? Are not *all*
> Cummins ISB engines going to be 6.7 liters in 2007?

Ken,

from:
http://www.turbodieselregister.com/06ntea/

We were however told that the Ram 2500 and 3500 models for 2007 will be
rolled out with the existing 5.9 liter engine.

end quote.

Whether they'll continue to build the current 5.9 or have enough 5.9's
stockpiled, I don't know.  Mebbe the 6.7 will be rolled out as an '07.5?   I
recall that the Diesel engine builders were busted by the EPA for "cheating"
their ECM calibrations and had to implement the new regs on an advanced
schedule.  That accelerated schedule was 2007, however there are differences
in how the things are rated by the EPA.  Like this:

Under the federal light-duty Tier 2 regulation (phased-in beginning 2004)
vehicles of GVWR up to 10,000 lbs used for personal transportation have been
re-classified as "medium-duty passenger vehicles" (MDPV - primarily larger
SUVs and passenger vans) and are subject to the light-duty vehicle
legislation. Therefore, the same diesel engine model used for the 8,500 -
10,000 lbs vehicle category may be classified as either light- or heavy-duty
and certified to different standards, depending on the application.

Clear as mud?  Yeah, it makes my head hurt too!

 Robert
Nosey - 06 Mar 2006 03:24 GMT
> Clear as mud?  Yeah, it makes my head hurt too!
>
>  Robert

Thanks, I think. ;^)
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Tom Lawrence - 06 Mar 2006 05:08 GMT
> Under the federal light-duty Tier 2 regulation (phased-in beginning 2004)
> vehicles of GVWR up to 10,000 lbs used for personal transportation have
> been re-classified as "medium-duty passenger vehicles"

Hence why the SRW configuration has gone from a GVW of 9,900lbs. to
10,200lbs.  :)
Nosey - 06 Mar 2006 05:54 GMT
>> Under the federal light-duty Tier 2 regulation (phased-in beginning
>> 2004) vehicles of GVWR up to 10,000 lbs used for personal
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Hence why the SRW configuration has gone from a GVW of 9,900lbs. to
> 10,200lbs.  :)

Is that only for the 3500 SRW or has the 2500 also increased to 10,200 lbs?
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RamMan@dodgecity.cc - 26 Feb 2006 23:15 GMT
Well it's already a $5500 option. By the time the new 6.7 rolls out it
will be at least $6000 and likely more. Anyone know?

BTW, ads in the paper this weekend have local Houston, TX Dodge dealers
offering up to $11,500 off new diesel duallys thru Tuesday night 2/28.
Helfman Dodge in particular.
<http://www.helfmandodge.com>

>6.7 liters, 325hp/750 ft. lbs.

>http://www.everytime.cummins.com/every/news/release73.jsp
 
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