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Hi Folks, Got a '96 2500 4x4. Is there any way to add an overdrive to this rig? I'm hearing lots of noise about fuel prices getting ready to take off -- trying to find a way to squeeze a little better mileage.... Jim > Hi Folks, > > Got a '96 2500 4x4. Is there any way to add an overdrive to this rig? > I'm hearing lots of noise about fuel prices getting ready to take off > -- trying to find a way to squeeze a little better mileage.... Workers in the oil industry saying about rumors of $15 a gallon for fuel within 5 years. > Jim Funny, I heard a rumor that Exxon expects $20 a barrel for crude in the future. I guess ya never know.  SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> Hi Folks, >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >> Jim > Funny, I heard a rumor that Exxon expects $20 a barrel for crude in the > future. I guess ya never know. I really do not see how unless the US stops using oil all together. With China and India becoming more industrialized it will only get spread thinner. >>> Hi Folks, >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >>> Jim My guess is that the Gulf comes back online more efficiently, and the influx of bio diesel and ethanol, as well as other sources of fuel, such as coal, will lower demand on crude oil. Plus I'm a firm believer in the fact that part of the rise in prices is due more to speculation on the futures market than actual demand. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> Funny, I heard a rumor that Exxon expects $20 a barrel for crude in the >> future. I guess ya never know. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>> >>>> Jim > My guess is that the Gulf comes back online more efficiently, and the > influx of bio diesel and ethanol, as well as other sources of fuel, such > as coal, will lower demand on crude oil. > > Plus I'm a firm believer in the fact that part of the rise in prices is > due more to speculation on the futures market than actual demand. I would agree with that. With all this quick net day trading going on, even Warren Buffet admits its almost immposible to pick good stocks because the market is too volatile due to so many people pushing the rise and fall of markets quickly over nothing. > Max > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >>>> >>>>> Jim A 96 2500 4x4 has OD already. Adding an additional OD would be counterproductive. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > Hi Folks, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Jim > Got a '96 2500 4x4. Is there any way to add an overdrive to this rig? You mean a second overdrive, like a GearVendors (http://www.gearvendors.com) or US Gear (http://www.usgear.com) ? One of them makes a unit for a 4x4 - I forget which. Be prepared to spend some cash... >> Got a '96 2500 4x4. Is there any way to add an overdrive to this rig? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >One of them makes a unit for a 4x4 - I forget which. Be prepared to spend >some cash... Yup - if you want economy, you gotta be willing to pay for it!! >Hi Folks, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Jim You already have OD. If you are seriously concerned about MPG improvements, lower it if it is lifted and run stock type smooth treaded tires at near max pressure as this will improve MPG more than adding another com[ound OD which might actually make MPG even worse because it does not chamge the amount of power required to move truck down the road. (it actually increases it slightly because of addition power losses in a second OD unit because they are not 100% efficent. ----------------- The SnoMan www.thesnoman.com >>Hi Folks, >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > down the road. (it actually increases it slightly because of addition > power losses in a second OD unit because they are not 100% efficent. And he could always put lower ratio axle gears. > ----------------- > The SnoMan > www.thesnoman.com >And he could always put lower ratio axle gears. This is true only to a point because if the gearing is too tall for engine and load, MPG will decrease further. No hard set universal rules here to go by. ----------------- The SnoMan www.thesnoman.com > Hi Folks, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Jim Possible? Yes. Cost efficient? Doubtful. Gear vendors sells an OD unit for a 4x4. But it's expensive. You would have to buy a lot of fuel and drive a lot of miles to make it pay off. The bottom line is, a Dodge is a pig. There's not much you can do to change that. The best thing you can do is make sure the truck is well tuned, tires are properly inflated, and go easy on the gas pedal. Keep in mind a Harley Dyna gets 45 mpg ;) Signature.boB Arrived: 2006 FXDI, Red. 1997 HD FXDWG - Turbocharged Stolen 11/26/05 in Denver 1HD1GEL10VY3200010 CO License J5822Z 2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92 1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver 1965 FFR Cobra - 427W EFI, Damn Fast. > Possible? Yes. Cost efficient? Doubtful. Gear vendors sells an OD unit for a >4x4. But it's expensive. You would have to buy a lot of fuel and drive a lot of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >properly inflated, and go easy on the gas pedal. > Keep in mind a Harley Dyna gets 45 mpg ;) On a GOOD day. clare wrote: >> Keep in mind a Harley Dyna gets 45 mpg ;) > > On a GOOD day. Every day on a Harley is a good day :) Signature.boB Arrived: 2006 FXDI, Red. 1997 HD FXDWG - Turbocharged Stolen 11/26/05 in Denver 1HD1GEL10VY3200010 CO License J5822Z 2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92 1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver 1965 FFR Cobra - 427W EFI, Damn Fast. Gee, is that all??? Only 45 mpg??? ;) By my estimates, my old Cushman will get around 65 -75 mpg when it hits the road, and everyone knows the dependability of Briggs engines. <VBG> SignatureBudd Cochran "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other." (John Adams) >> Hi Folks, >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > tuned, tires are properly inflated, and go easy on the gas pedal. > Keep in mind a Harley Dyna gets 45 mpg ;) >Gee, is that all??? Only 45 mpg??? ;) > >By my estimates, my old Cushman will get around 65 -75 mpg when it hits the >road, and everyone knows the dependability of Briggs engines. > ><VBG> And that average goes up when you push it home! beekeep Darn it, Greg. That was my secret and you gave it away. Of course, a 250 pound Cushman would be considerably less to push when the situation rises. VBG SignatureBudd Cochran > On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:36:06 -0600, "Budd Cochran" <mr-d150@preciscom > SPAM.net> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > beekeep But by the time you get that on the road, we will all be driving electric vehicles powered by cold fusion :-) SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > Gee, is that all??? Only 45 mpg??? ;) > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com *** What does it matter to you? It's my scooter and I'm not building it to please you. SignatureBudd Cochran John 3:16-17, Ephesians 2:8-9 "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other." (John Adams) > But by the time you get that on the road, we will all be driving electric > vehicles powered by cold fusion :-) [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >> >> *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com *** >> Hi Folks, >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >properly inflated, and go easy on the gas pedal. > Keep in mind a Harley Dyna gets 45 mpg ;) While I would not call a Dodge a pig, they have never been known for fuel efficency. ----------------- The SnoMan www.thesnoman.com Never had a '64 225 slant six, did you (37 mpg)? Or a '79 318 D-150 (21-23 mpg) Or a 68 Road Runner (17 around town and 23 highway) I've never had a Mopar that got bad mileage unless it was from a need for repair or a lead foot. SignatureBudd Cochran "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other." (John Adams) >>> Hi Folks, >>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > The SnoMan > www.thesnoman.com >Never had a '64 225 slant six, did you (37 mpg)? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >I've never had a Mopar that got bad mileage unless it was from a need for >repair or a lead foot. My '76 318 Ramcharger, when I got it new, could not get as much as 8MPG, Canadian. After fighting with the dealer for a month or two, I redid the carb myself, adjusting the power needle and all that stuff - got it up to over 23 on the highway, about 14 in town, and it just sipped gas plowing snow. The 264 or whatever in my Fargo truck would do over 27 on the highway, and the 241 Hemi Coronet topped 30 on occaision.My slant sixes generally did between 17 and 21, but I never babied those. The accelerator pedal was operated like a switch. On my D-150, being a 79, it lost the smog stuff, got a 1972 360 degree two-barrel intake / carb and the vacuum curve was carefully set for full in at minimum vacuum without causing ping. The /6 had a mechanical advance recurve with 93 octane fuel and all the advance it could handle. The Road Runner got it's best mileage whenever anyone but me drove it ( my mom , especially), but then, I was but 21 years old at the time and gas was 35 cents / gal. US. SignatureBudd Cochran >>Never had a '64 225 slant six, did you (37 mpg)? >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > accelerator pedal was operated like a switch. > *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com *** >On my D-150, being a 79, it lost the smog stuff, got a 1972 360 degree >two-barrel intake / carb and the vacuum curve was carefully set for full in [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >mom , especially), but then, I was but 21 years old at the time and gas was >35 cents / gal. US. Runner had wide ratio 4 speed and the long gears? Friend still has his all original '69 runner with that equipment. Driven RIGHT, it would do high 20s on the highway. Push it a bit, and you could easily get 10. EASILY bury the needle in third. >>On my D-150, being a 79, it lost the smog stuff, got a 1972 360 degree >>two-barrel intake / carb and the vacuum curve was carefully set for full [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Runner had wide ratio 4 speed and the long gears? 383, 727, 3.23 axle. Lowered 1" in front, belted F70-14 tires, the original type of Wynn's Friction Proofing in the engine, Sunoco 260 and all the advanc it could handle. Best quarter-mile 13.65 / 105 in second. > Friend still has his > all original '69 runner with that equipment. Driven RIGHT, it would do > high 20s on the highway. Push it a bit, and you could easily get 10. > EASILY bury the needle in third. <LOL> I saw 6300 rpm a couple times in mine. I usually shfted at 5800 during a run so the shift would be complete at 6000. Second was good for 120 and high would bring the counterbalance end of the speedo needle to 30. Man!!! what a ride!!!! Budd >Never had a '64 225 slant six, did you (37 mpg)? > >Or a '79 318 D-150 (21-23 mpg) > >Or a 68 Road Runner (17 around town and 23 highway) THese are not reality. The only maybe here is the 79 P/U, the rest are way out they in left field. I remember road runners were new and the MPG was about half than amount and I owned a few slant sixs that strain to make low 20's a few times and a 170 valent that did 23 once but 37 MPG with a 225 is pure bull. ----------------- The SnoMan www.thesnoman.com >>Never had a '64 225 slant six, did you (37 mpg)? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > THese are not reality. Yes, they are. My personal values and religious beliefs forbid lying. > The only maybe here is the 79 P/U, the rest > are way out they in left field. No, they aren't. Btw, with a bed cover, the truck hit an alltime best of 25 mpg between Laramie WY and Moab, UT . . .yep, in the Rocky Mountains. > I remember road runners were new and > the MPG was about half than amount And how old were you and how far in the carbs did you stick your foot? My mother and sister got the high mileage, I got 11-14, except of Friday nights whern I got 4-5 mpg for each 1/4 mile. > and I owned a few slant sixs that > strain to make low 20's a few times and a 170 valent that did 23 once > but 37 MPG with a 225 is pure bull. No, it isn't. Chrysler got 27 mpg out of a bone stock slant in 63 in the Mobilgas Economy run on BIAS PLY TIRES. Mine had a few special mods and adjustments: tight valve lash (0.008" IN / 0.010" EX), water vapor injection, maximum intial advance, 93 octane fuel, steel beltradial tires @ 35 psi, lowered 1 1/2" in front, 3-speed manual trans with a 3.23 axle and 294,000 miles on it. Just because it didn't happen to you does not mean it cannot happen to someone willing to do what it takes: experiment and test. Budd >>>Never had a '64 225 slant six, did you (37 mpg)? >>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >35 psi, lowered 1 1/2" in front, 3-speed manual trans with a 3.23 axle and >294,000 miles on it. Sounds like my '63 170 V200 Custom 4 door. Lowered about 2" all around, Hemi Cuda shocks, C70-13 polyglass tires, head shaved 20 thou, intakes at .005, exhaust at .010 (adjusted religously), dist recurved to roughly mimic the curve on the 273HO, 225 carb rejetted, and running NippondensoEPR25, IIRC plugs. The only other plugs I could keep in it were Champion N3G fine-wires. Mine had the 3 speed push button slush-box but put 206 HP to the rear wheels on Sunoco 260. If driven hard (the way I usually did) it drank fuel at the rate of something like 12-14 MPG Canadian. Driven reasonably mabee twenty, and the odd time I got it on the highway for a good run (like down to Letchworth NewYork with some friends to keep me sane) mid to high twenties. I may have squeezed 30 out of it once or twice. Keep in mind, this is the big Canadian Gallon - and an automatic. My '69 Dart custom 225 was considerably milder, and a mid-winter trip to Alberta averaged in the high 20s, including the 104mph dash across the corner of Wyoming. Car only got shut off once for more than an hour on the whole trip (3 drivers). Overall mileage was mabee 22 average when around home - with 75000 or so miles on it when I got it and closer to 225,000 when I sold it. >Just because it didn't happen to you does not mean it cannot happen to >someone willing to do what it takes: experiment and test. > >Budd > >*** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com *** >>>>Never had a '64 225 slant six, did you (37 mpg)? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > twenties. I may have squeezed 30 out of it once or twice. Keep in > mind, this is the big Canadian Gallon - and an automatic. The Imperial gallon is 20% larger than a US gallon so your twenty mpg Imp. becomes 24 mpg US. Ya should gone the whole route on the head 0.090", then your CR would have gone up a full point ( 9.4:1) and no valve interference with a stock lift cam. I had a 65 engine with the head milled the full amount and it ran great on 260. I used Champion N-10Y plugs with no problems. > My '69 Dart custom 225 was considerably milder, and a mid-winter trip > to Alberta averaged in the high 20s, including the 104mph dash across > the corner of Wyoming. Car only got shut off once for more than an > hour on the whole trip (3 drivers). Overall mileage was mabee 22 > average when around home - with 75000 or so miles on it when I got it > and closer to 225,000 when I sold it. That figures to 26.4 US mpg. I made a weekend trip once in my RoadRunner from Indianapolis IN to Nauvoo IL. Five adults, weekend luggage, 552 miles, 6.7 hours, 13.42 mpg. ( what'll really make the younger folks mad...gas costs for the trip west, $13.95 US) Most of the time, between towns, I cruised at 115-120 mph. Not bad mileage considering I had the secondaries (Carter AVS) open most of the time. Budd > >>>>Never had a '64 225 slant six, did you (37 mpg)? > >>>> [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > The Imperial gallon is 20% larger than a US gallon so your twenty mpg Imp. > becomes 24 mpg US. Sorry Budd, but you got your math backwards. If the imperial gallon is LARGER as you say, then the mileage goes DOWN when converted to US, not up as he had 20% more fuel to obtain his mileage. Take away 20% of the fuel and you take away 20% of the mileager so he was getting 16 mpg US which is about right for that engine under "normal" driving. > Ya should gone the whole route on the head 0.090", then your CR would have > gone up a full point ( 9.4:1) and no valve interference with a stock lift [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > That figures to 26.4 US mpg. No it doesn't! If he could get the same distance with his fuel usage in the same number of US gallons then he would have to be getting 26.4 mpg but that is not what happened. He was using imperial gallons (at least for most of it). > I made a weekend trip once in my RoadRunner from Indianapolis IN to Nauvoo > IL. Five adults, weekend luggage, 552 miles, 6.7 hours, 13.42 mpg. ( what'll > really make the younger folks mad...gas costs for the trip west, $13.95 US) > Most of the time, between towns, I cruised at 115-120 mph. Not bad mileage > considering I had the secondaries (Carter AVS) open most of the time. Me thinks the BS is getting a bit deep. > Budd > > *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com *** |
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