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2000 dodge ram 4x4 360 55k miles I have been hearing valve clacking lately under acceleration, and it does not need be hard acceleration to hear it. I can hear it better now that it has warmed up and I have the window down. People talk about "pinging", is this the same thing? it doesn't sound like a ping to me more like 'clacking" or rattle. it is not really loud, but I am wondering what was causing it. I have done some searching, and the plenum gasket came up. I was told to look down the intake with a flashlight, and it you see oil at the bottom, the plenum gasket needs replaced. Well, I looked and it looks dry to me. I am not burning oil and I do not get a puff of smoke when starting. I have run 4 bottles of injector cleaner/carb cleaner/whatever through it and it did not seem to help. any more suggestions of things I could check? Actually, this is what you need: http://www.hughesengines.com/partDetail.asp?partID=11698  Signature------------------------------------------ Laszlo Almasi ----Cool Toys (formerly Carolina Watercraft Works) ----Mack Daddy Trailers ----Ice Angels > 2000 dodge ram 4x4 360 55k miles > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > any more suggestions of things I could check? Anyone know exactly what years the plenum gasket is an issue? Seems to me it effects model years up through 2000. I only know of one person who has ever said they had problems with a 2001. I have a 2001 with 76,000 miles on it and so far no problems. It was pinging bad the other day while under load up a hill but I think I just got a bad tank of gas. Have to keep an eye on oil consumption. > Actually, this is what you need: > > http://www.hughesengines.com/partDetail.asp?partID=11698 Mine is an '01 and mine was leaking. Signature------------------------------------------ Laszlo Almasi ----Cool Toys (formerly Carolina Watercraft Works) ----Mack Daddy Trailers ----Ice Angels > Anyone know exactly what years the plenum gasket is an issue? Seems to me > it effects model years up through 2000. I only know of one person who has [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >> http://www.hughesengines.com/partDetail.asp?partID=11698 > Actually, this is what you need: > > http://www.hughesengines.com/partDetail.asp?partID=11698 thanks, i know about the kit, but I am not sure if that is the issue. What grade of fuel are you using? Signature------------------------------------------ Laszlo Almasi ----Cool Toys (formerly Carolina Watercraft Works) ----Mack Daddy Trailers ----Ice Angels >> Actually, this is what you need: >> >> http://www.hughesengines.com/partDetail.asp?partID=11698 >> > thanks, i know about the kit, but I am not sure if that is the issue. Something to try...if you're using regular unleaded. Before you gas up again, run the tank to empty...then run some premium and see if it still makes the same sound. I'll venture to say that right now you are running regular...and also that when you run the premium, the noise will still be there...but nowhere near as much. If this is what happens, then you'll need that plenum kit. It's a simple way to check. Signature------------------------------------------ Laszlo Almasi ----Cool Toys (formerly Carolina Watercraft Works) ----Mack Daddy Trailers ----Ice Angels > What grade of fuel are you using? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>> >> thanks, i know about the kit, but I am not sure if that is the issue. >2000 dodge ram 4x4 360 55k miles > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >any more suggestions of things I could check? Fill up with premium and see if it gets better. Sounds like ping, or spark knock, because valve noise has no reason to be load sensitive. >2000 dodge ram 4x4 360 55k miles > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >any more suggestions of things I could check? You really need more than 87 octane gas but some are really fixated on using 87 octane no matter what. I do not use 87 octane in anything except a old tractor and a 79 J20 truck tha only has 8 to 1 compression. They put 87 in manual for sales reasons not because it is best fuel. You should also know that detriot uses premium fuel in cars during EPA test and has for many many years but they are not required to state that on sticker. ----------------- The SnoMan www.thesnoman.com I run my 97 on regular, always have, and have yet to hear it ping. Many of the manuals now clearly state that putting fuels in above the required octane may actually hurt performance and is otherwise simply wasting money. If your vehicle requires fuels of greater than 87 and some of them do, then you should use mid or super but otherwise, with an average of a 10 cent per gallon increase per grade level, I just don't have that much money to flush down the toilet. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > >2000 dodge ram 4x4 360 55k miles > > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > The SnoMan > www.thesnoman.com >I run my 97 on regular, always have, and have yet to hear it ping. Many of >the manuals now clearly state that putting fuels in above the required [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >gallon increase per grade level, I just don't have that much money to flush >down the toilet. IF the engine pings on regular, and does not on premium, even the $0.20 per canadian gallon difference from regular to mid, and again from mid to premium, can pay for itself. My friend's G35 Chevy Van, with 350 V8 gets 6MPG towing his 30 foot trailer on regular 87, and 12MPG on premium 93. Lots more power on premium too, as the ECU isn't retarding the spark 9 full degrees.(checked with the ecu monitor) > >I run my 97 on regular, always have, and have yet to hear it ping. Many of > >the manuals now clearly state that putting fuels in above the required [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > retarding the spark 9 full degrees.(checked with the ecu monitor) > *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com *** I do believe that I clearly stated that it didn't ping. If it did, then you would be a fool to continue to operate it that way and I assumed that most in here would know that but if it doesn't AND the manual states to use 87, using higher will simply waste money. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving >> >I run my 97 on regular, always have, and have yet to hear it ping. Many >of [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >in here would know that but if it doesn't AND the manual states to use 87, >using higher will simply waste money. If it "rattles" only under load, it is not valve noise, it is spark knock or ping. And I've driven cars where even though you could not hear ping, higher octane fuel provided more power and better economy - on a carbureted engine with no electronic controls. >>> >I run my 97 on regular, always have, and have yet to hear it ping. >>> >Many [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com *** My 98 had an issue with spark knock under load there was a TSB and the PCM need to be reflashed with a new software version, they even put a sticker under the hood, I have not had a problem since and now have a 130k on her. Coasty > I do believe that I clearly stated that it didn't ping. If it did, > then you would be a fool to continue to operate it that way and I > assumed that most in here would know that but if it doesn't AND the > manual states to use 87, using higher will simply waste money. I agree that it is a waste of money using a higher octane fuel than required. The owner's manual recommendation isn't going to be right all of the time. As an engine gets older it forms carbon deposits on the pistons. These deposits create hot-spots that can cause pre-ignition (ping) when using low octane gas. You can tear the engine down to clean off the carbon deposits and continue to run 87 octane gas, or simply switch to the mid-grade or premium to stop the pinging. SignatureKen >I run my 97 on regular, always have, and have yet to hear it ping. Many of >the manuals now clearly state that putting fuels in above the required [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >gallon increase per grade level, I just don't have that much money to flush >down the toilet. Off corse you do not hear it ping because your ECM it controlling it before you hear it duh... I guess you believe everything you read in the manual which is written to be understood and address the concern or sales and the simple minded uninformed motorist. 87 octane is only good without spark control up to about 8 to 8.5 to one compression, beyond that, there must be spark control to control it and everytime you retard the spark you loos more power and MPG and cost you far more than the 10 cents a gallon that you are saving at todays fuel prices. Hook up a real time monitor to your OBD2 port and watch the spark with 87 vs higher octane gas and the difference is clearly seen. I had a 2006 Chevy 2500HD loanerwith a 6.0 this week and when I got it it was low on gas. I hooked up my equipment to it and monitored the timing and performance with the 87 in it and then put some 93 in it the there was a big difference in performance and likewise in timing. WOT timing was 5 degrees higher and overall part throttle was 3 to 5 degrees as well and less mass airflow and manifold pressure was required at same cruising speed and truck was a lot more responsive too. Those that think otherwise have never tried it. Also Detriot would not exclusively use 93 in MPG tests if it made no difference at all. ----------------- The SnoMan www.thesnoman.com > Off corse you do not hear it ping because your ECM it controlling it > before you hear it duh... You do realize that a 318/360 has no ability to retard spark based on knock/pinging, right? > >I run my 97 on regular, always have, and have yet to hear it ping. Many of > >the manuals now clearly state that putting fuels in above the required [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Off corse you do not hear it ping because your ECM it controlling it > before you hear it duh... Oh really, and how exactly is it accomplishing this? I am unaware of any knock sensor in my dodge. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving >>2000 dodge ram 4x4 360 55k miles >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >The SnoMan >www.thesnoman.com False. ALL EPA TESTING MUST be done with the fuel and lubricant specified in the ownwers manual. NO EXCEPTIONS. This is true since something like 1994. BIG fines for cheating. |
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