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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / May 2006Hemi burning oil
Hello All, Well, I finally gave up on my '94 1500 4x4 Ram in January and bought a leftover 2005. I got a great deal on 1500 Ram 4 x4 Thunderroad with a Hemi, 11,500 off of sticker. I currently have 5000 miles on the engine. I changed the oil at 3K with Castrol 5w-20 as directed by the ownes manual. The engine appears to be burning about a pint of oil every 1000 miles. At the beginning I thought it may just be breaking in, but it is still burning the same amount. I don't see any signs of a leak, so I'm assuming its being burned. The engine also has a "tick" that I guess is normal. Has anyone else seen these 5.7liter Hemi's burn that much oil? Is it because the oil is so thin? >Hello All, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >else seen these 5.7liter Hemi's burn that much oil? Is it because the >oil is so thin? Recomanded or not, 5w20 is really thin ans it will reduce oil pressure, increase consumption and make it more prone to tick at a idle for reduced oil pressure at a idle. I suggest that you use no less than 5w30 with 10w30 being prffered during the warmer months as it will increase oil pressure, redcue consumption and cling to hot parts a bit better as engine cools. ----------------- The SnoMan www.thesnoman.com I would bring it in to the dealer A.S.A.P. > Hello All, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > else seen these 5.7liter Hemi's burn that much oil? Is it because the > oil is so thin? >I would bring it in to the dealer A.S.A.P. Why, 1 quart per 2000 miles is not a warranty fix as it is well within limits. Like I said earlier, use a different grade of oil. ----------------- The SnoMan www.thesnoman.com >>I would bring it in to the dealer A.S.A.P. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > The SnoMan > www.thesnoman.com My 03 Ram does not burn hardly a drop at 31,000. My 93 Dakota hardly burned a drop at 188,000 miles. Both doing mixed driving with some hauling and towing. Only 1 of my vehicles out of 15 vehicles actually went through oil at oil changes using dino oil and Fram oil filters. >My 03 Ram does not burn hardly a drop at 31,000. My 93 Dakota hardly burned >a drop at 188,000 miles. Both doing mixed driving with some hauling and >towing. Only 1 of my vehicles out of 15 vehicles actually went through oil >at oil changes using dino oil and Fram oil filters. Cosideryourself lucky. When a engine is built, it has a acceptable tolerance range for internal clearances. If you get a tight engine, it will use little oil, if you get one at the loose end of the tolerance, it can be different. Myslef, I realy do not consider using a quart every 3000 miles or so , oil consumption though some seem to get pretty upset about it. ----------------- The SnoMan www.thesnoman.com > >My 03 Ram does not burn hardly a drop at 31,000. My 93 Dakota hardly burned > >a drop at 188,000 miles. Both doing mixed driving with some hauling and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > every 3000 miles or so , oil consumption though some seem to get > pretty upset about it. And I don't blame them. My truck engine has well over 100,000 and doesn't burn anywhere near that much and with today's technology and materials available, there really is no excuse for that level of consumption.  SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving >> >My 03 Ram does not burn hardly a drop at 31,000. My 93 Dakota hardly > burned [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > burn anywhere near that much and with today's technology and materials > available, there really is no excuse for that level of consumption. You'll find a lot of aluminum engines use around 2 quarts per 2K Roy Consuming a pint of oil every 1k miles well past the break-in period is not normal. Neither is the "tick". Take it to the dealer while it's in warranty and get it checked. Accept no "excuses". You want it fixed. Only my personal, non-technical, shadetree opinions here, but your symptoms sound an awful lot like someone *really* ran the piss out of it several times during the initial break-in period. That can possibly be checked with a simple compression test. The "tick" sound troubles me more than the unusual oil consumption (collapsed lifter or bent push rod), again a suspiciously familiar symptom of some severe abuse of a brand-new engine. How many miles were on it when you bought it? If you get it back allegedly fixed I would drive it another 1000 miles then have the oil changed again (not at the selling dealer this time) and make sure the manufacturer-recommended viscosity oil is used at this change, then see if your symptoms return. A scrupulous dealer would conceivably have no reason to conceal or "mask" in-warranty engine damage (or attempt to blame you for it), but not everyone has scruples. >Hello All, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >else seen these 5.7liter Hemi's burn that much oil? Is it because the >oil is so thin? > Consuming a pint of oil every 1k miles well past the break-in period is > not normal. Neither is the "tick". Take it to the dealer while it's in > warranty and get it checked. Accept no "excuses". You want it fixed. There isn't a dealer in the United States that would do warranty work an engine that uses one pint every 1,000 miles. This is an miniscule amount and the buyer will have to learn to deal with it. If he cannot, then I'm afraid he will have to sell it and purchase something else. > > Consuming a pint of oil every 1k miles well past the break-in period is > > not normal. Neither is the "tick". Take it to the dealer while it's in [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > If he cannot, then I'm afraid he will have to sell it and purchase something > else. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get a grip! A pint in 1000 miles equates to 1.5 quarts in 3000 miles. That's excessive any way you slice it. Mark >> > Consuming a pint of oil every 1k miles well past the break-in period is >> > not normal. Neither is the "tick". Take it to the dealer while it's in [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Mark You're making me feel old! I can easily remember when a quart per 1000 miles wasn't considered bad. Ken My old 95 Hyundai has 150K miles doesn't use any oil between changes I would put reg 10-30 oil in it NO SYNTHETIC and run the shet out of it to make sure the rings are seated for 100 miles then change the oil again recheck the oil usage. DO NOT USE FRAM FILTERS -- very cheaply made & very remote possibility it could be the cause of tick ??? >Consuming a pint of oil every 1k miles well past the break-in period is >not normal. Neither is the "tick". Take it to the dealer while it's in >warranty and get it checked. Accept no "excuses". You want it fixed. Wasted effort, they will say oil usage is within normal ranges and on the tick, if it is light and intermittant they may blow that off too. ----------------- The SnoMan www.thesnoman.com > Wasted effort, they will say oil usage is within normal ranges and on > the tick, if it is light and intermittant they may blow that off too. The Hemis are known to have a ticking sound. Originally I thought it was just the early Hemi's that had the wrong springs put it. But I've heard it on just about all Hemi's. The truck only had 13 miles on it when I test drove it and 26 when I picked it up. The first time I gave it a little gas pulling out into traffic (not running the piss out of it) the tranny failed to shift properly. The dealer replaced the solenoid pack and all has been fine since. The truck sat on the dealer's lot from May 1st 2005 until January when I bought it. The battery was so dead they had to replace it. The dealer said that sitting may have also caused the tranny problem. Could the long rest period on a brand new engine have also caused ring damage? The truck only had 13 miles on it when I test drove it and 26 when I picked it up. The first time I gave it a little gas pulling out into traffic (not running the piss out of it) the tranny failed to shift properly. The dealer replaced the solenoid pack and all has been fine since. The truck sat on the dealer's lot from May 1st 2005 until January when I bought it. The battery was so dead they had to replace it. The dealer said that sitting may have also caused the tranny problem. Could the long rest period on a brand new engine have also caused ring damage? >The truck only had 13 miles on it when I test drove it and 26 when I >picked it up. The first time I gave it a little gas pulling out into [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >problem. Could the long rest period on a brand new engine have also >caused ring damage? Not likely and one quart per 2000 miles is not ring damage. Again if you are using a really thing oil, oil consumption will be higher plain and simple because of reduced film thickness. GM 8.1's tend to "use" a bit of oil if you run 5w30 in them and a bit less if you use a good 10w30. Although maybe disapointing, that consumption is within specs. I suggest trying differnt oil brands and grades as you may find one it likes better. I have a old JD 318 lawn tractor that has a discontinued Onan engine flat opposed 2 cyl in it. The engine uses the least amount of oil if I use 15w40 (I tried several grades too and recommanded 10w30 realy goes thru it quick) It does not use but 2 or 3 oz a hour and it runs well so I keep it going otherwise and it does not smoke runing and those engines have a nice sound too. When I put in a fresh change it will not use any oil to speak of for first 5 hrs of operation but as time mounts, consumption increases and by the time you gget to 35 hrs the oil is quite dirty and consumption increases too. What is the pint of all of this? The point is not oils react the same in a given engine and usage and rather than blame the engine, look at how it is feed. I am not suggesting that you use 15w40 unless you are in a very hot area, I am suggesting that you try different lube. ----------------- The SnoMan www.thesnoman.com > Hello All, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > else seen these 5.7liter Hemi's burn that much oil? Is it because the > oil is so thin? My 2003 2500 Hemi didn't burn any oil and I had it almost 100000 miles. SignatureMoParMaN---Remove Clothes To Reply! --SCUD Coordinates 32.61204 North: 96.92993 West-- > My 2003 2500 Hemi didn't burn any oil and I had it almost 100000 miles. Geez, and I thought I drove alot of miles. I used Mobil1 5w20 and a Mobil 1 filter no more tick!! >> My 2003 2500 Hemi didn't burn any oil and I had it almost 100000 miles. > > Geez, and I thought I drove alot of miles. My 95 Hyundai has 150K miles doesn't use any oil between changes. Put some 10-30 in the motor & run the shet out of it for a few miles FULL throdle from a stop accel up to 65 on the hyway & use the trans to slow down (manually down shift)maybe 12 times to make sure the rings are seated You may have just babied it too much during breakin |
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