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miles - 15 May 2006 01:04 GMT
Anyone know much about this new vehicle?  I'm thinking about selling one
of my trucks (don't need more than 1 anymore) and getting something just
to commute back and forth to work in.

The new Caliber uses almost entirely new technology (at least for Dodge)
from the 3 different World Engines to the CVT transmission.  Anyone have
any comments as to the expected reliability of any of the 3 engine
choices or the new shiftless transmission?
Roy - 15 May 2006 01:07 GMT
> Anyone know much about this new vehicle?  I'm thinking about selling one
> of my trucks (don't need more than 1 anymore) and getting something just
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> any comments as to the expected reliability of any of the 3 engine choices
> or the new shiftless transmission?

I was in for service and asked one of the salesman. He said they can't get
enough of them, didn't have any on the lot.

Roy
miles - 15 May 2006 01:42 GMT
> I was in for service and asked one of the salesman. He said they can't get
> enough of them, didn't have any on the lot.

Yep.  They're selling alot of them.  My dealership has quite a few.  I
have to think the CVT transmission will be reliable.  It is made by
Jatco who is the same company that makes the CVT for Nissan as well as
others.

Are modern 4-banger all aluminum engines typically reliable?  My
knowledge of aluminum engines is mostly from the 70's when reliability
was rather rare.
Roy - 15 May 2006 01:53 GMT
>> I was in for service and asked one of the salesman. He said they can't
>> get enough of them, didn't have any on the lot.
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> of aluminum engines is mostly from the 70's when reliability was rather
> rare.

I wouldn't venture a guess. Who makes the engine?

Roy
miles - 15 May 2006 02:12 GMT
> I wouldn't venture a guess. Who makes the engine?

It's a joint venture between Hyundai, Mitsubishi and DC.
clare at snyder.on.ca - 15 May 2006 04:15 GMT
>> I was in for service and asked one of the salesman. He said they can't get
>> enough of them, didn't have any on the lot.
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>knowledge of aluminum engines is mostly from the 70's when reliability
>was rather rare.
Today some of the very best engines in the world (reliability wise)
are aluminum 4 bangers.
Ron - 15 May 2006 14:58 GMT
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> Are modern 4-banger all aluminum engines typically reliable?  My
> knowledge of aluminum engines is mostly from the 70's when reliability
> was rather rare.

Amen, can you say   V  e  g  a,  friend had one, what a nightmare :-)
miles - 16 May 2006 01:07 GMT
> Amen, can you say   V  e  g  a,  friend had one, what a nightmare :-)

My brother had one too.  I believe its problem was in mating a cast head
to an aluminum block or vis-versa.  The two metals expand at different
rates so head gasket blowouts were frequent.
Christopher  Thompson - 16 May 2006 02:12 GMT
> > Amen, can you say   V  e  g  a,  friend had one, what a nightmare :-)
>
> My brother had one too.  I believe its problem was in mating a cast head
> to an aluminum block or vis-versa.  The two metals expand at different
> rates so head gasket blowouts were frequent.

simmular problem was contributing to the neon head gasket issues thus the
multi layer steel gasket used in the tsb.

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clare at snyder.on.ca - 16 May 2006 03:14 GMT
>> Amen, can you say   V  e  g  a,  friend had one, what a nightmare :-)
>
>My brother had one too.  I believe its problem was in mating a cast head
>to an aluminum block or vis-versa.  The two metals expand at different
>rates so head gasket blowouts were frequent.
,
No, the problem was inadequate cooling. This caused problems with the
iron plated aluminyum pistons in the high silicon aluminum cyls. When
they overheated the cyls scuffed, and they turned into bug foggers.
The same technology was used by porsche, successfully - with adequate
cooling.
miles - 16 May 2006 03:17 GMT
,
> No, the problem was inadequate cooling. This caused problems with the
> iron plated aluminyum pistons in the high silicon aluminum cyls. When
> they overheated the cyls scuffed, and they turned into bug foggers.
> The same technology was used by porsche, successfully - with adequate
> cooling.

Blown head gaskets were very common with the Vegas.  I had always heard
its because of the use of the block and head being dissimilar metals
with an insufficient gasket to allow for expansion variations.

The problem you noted I believe was another bad issue with this engine.
 The Vegas were just lousy all around!
Roy - 16 May 2006 16:00 GMT
> ,
>> No, the problem was inadequate cooling. This caused problems with the
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> The problem you noted I believe was another bad issue with this engine.
> The Vegas were just lousy all around!

Not when ya put a small block in them! <G>

Roy

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clare at snyder.on.ca - 16 May 2006 16:31 GMT
>,
>> No, the problem was inadequate cooling. This caused problems with the
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>The problem you noted I believe was another bad issue with this engine.
>  The Vegas were just lousy all around!

The head gasket problem was also an artifact of the poor cooling
issue. Putting a 3 or 4 core rad in made the vega a MUCH better
(albeit still lousy) car. GM has NEVER figured out how to make a good
small car. Their captive imports tended to be somewhat better than
their American produced stuff. The Vauxhaul Viva HC (sold as Firenza
in Canada) was not a GREAT car, but in many ways was far superior to
both the Vega and the american built Chevette.
The Office Jet - 15 May 2006 15:11 GMT
> > Anyone know much about this new vehicle?  I'm thinking about selling one
> > of my trucks (don't need more than 1 anymore) and getting something just
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>
> Roy

I really like the Caliber.  It is relatively inexpensive, has quite a
bit of space for its size, and has a lot of features that add to it.
The iPod holder is a great touch, as is the cooler glovebox.
 
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