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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / June 2006rear end whine on '98 Ram 1500
I have a '98 Ram QC 1500, 92k miles, 2wd, Auto, 5.9 V-8 w/ 3.55 sure grip axle. The differential has developed a high pitched whine that increases in pitch with speed, simultaneously the ABS and Brake lights have illuminted and the speedo does not register any speeds below 20 mph. I am pretty certain the ABS/Speedo sending unit in the axle housing is bad....Any ideas what might have died in the differential any why? There is a fine metallic sludge in the bottom of the housing and some small metal chips/shavings/etc. I plan to replace the ring and pinion with a set of Richmond 3.55's and ther complete overhaul bearing and shim kit. I have the tool to adjust the carrier bearing preload on the way and have been able to get dial indicators torque wrenches and pinion depth tools from friends. Anybody had there differential buy the farm? What was the cause? I was pulling an 1800# trailer when the whining started....Any suggestions or tips? thanks- rich It is a fairly common problem with this rear. They used lower cost pinion bearings in this rear and this happens more than most would like. The rest of the truck is built fairly well but another place to keep an eye on is the hard live going to the rear brakes up front where it crosses over the frame. It tends to rot out there.  SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > I have a '98 Ram QC 1500, 92k miles, 2wd, Auto, 5.9 V-8 w/ 3.55 sure grip > axle. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > thanks- > rich >I have a '98 Ram QC 1500, 92k miles, 2wd, Auto, 5.9 V-8 w/ 3.55 sure grip >axle. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >thanks- >rich The biggest reason for this is neglect. Poeple tend to forget about rear axle and never change the fluid in them and this can cause premature failure. That rear axle is not that weak and if you had serviced it regulalry it would have likely never failed. Axle can have hard life but they can handle if properly serviced for usage. I would suggest that you go with at least 3.73 as the 3.55 will not save you any gas with OD. Also change axle lube about 1000 miles after installation (break in period) and about every 20 to 30K after that. Some use SYN fluid but it still get dirty and there is no filter back there. One final comment, I would call a Richmond Gear a "cheap" gearset and it would not be my first choice to use. I would suggest a Yukon or Precision Gear gearset. ----------------- The SnoMan www.thesnoman.com >>I have a '98 Ram QC 1500, 92k miles, 2wd, Auto, 5.9 V-8 w/ 3.55 sure grip >>axle. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > hard life but they can handle if properly serviced for usage. I would > suggest that you go with at least 3.73 as the 3.55 will not save you That is not what I heard. Someone told me he got 25 MPG with stop rear gears then switched to 3.73 for towing and it dropped to 21 MPG > any gas with OD. Also change axle lube about 1000 miles after > installation (break in period) and about every 20 to 30K after that. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The SnoMan > www.thesnoman.com >>>I have a '98 Ram QC 1500, 92k miles, 2wd, Auto, 5.9 V-8 w/ 3.55 sure grip >>>axle. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > That is not what I heard. Someone told me he got 25 MPG with stop rear > gears then switched to 3.73 for towing and it dropped to 21 MPG Opps..typo.. STOCK, not STOP >> any gas with OD. Also change axle lube about 1000 miles after >> installation (break in period) and about every 20 to 30K after that. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> The SnoMan >> www.thesnoman.com >>> I have a '98 Ram QC 1500, 92k miles, 2wd, Auto, 5.9 V-8 w/ 3.55 sure grip >>> axle. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > That is not what I heard. Someone told me he got 25 MPG with stop rear gears > then switched to 3.73 for towing and it dropped to 21 MPG Ok, I gotta break my silence on this one. A halfton dodge of any sort getting 25 mpg? Is yours magical? I rented a truck like yours, it got about 13. My 318/5 spd/3.21 gets about 12 mpg and its at a very tired 130k miles... Hell, I know folks that would be trading in their out-of-tune chevy cavaliers for a 25 mpg dodge fullsize! JS >>>> I have a '98 Ram QC 1500, 92k miles, 2wd, Auto, 5.9 V-8 w/ 3.55 sure >>>> grip [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > Hell, I know folks that would be trading in their out-of-tune chevy > cavaliers for a 25 mpg dodge fullsize! Did not say it was Half ton > JS >>>>> I have a '98 Ram QC 1500, 92k miles, 2wd, Auto, 5.9 V-8 w/ 3.55 sure >>>>> grip [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Did not say it was Half ton Then the relevance is kinda nil. A 1999 3.9L auto 3.55 2WD Dak extended cab will sh.t-n-get. A 1999 3.9 auto 3.55 2WD 1500 RC (this engine was not an option in the extended/quad cab) is completely gutless. They're fairly work-able with 4.10s tho. Reason: Dakotas are much lighter and have a significantly smaller aerodynamic profile. It takes a lot less power to push them down the road. Also most of the driveline is lighter weight which greatly improves overall performance (that 6 ft long 2 piece cast iron drive shaft in my 318 half ton weighs a LOT, as do the 16x7 steel wheels and the big 265/75R15 all terrains... hmm.. no wonder it runs like a slug ;) Also do realize your transmission actually gets beat on less with higher differential ratios. A reduced need to down shift and reduced cruising torque requirements can greatly extend transmission lifetime. JS >>>>>> I have a '98 Ram QC 1500, 92k miles, 2wd, Auto, 5.9 V-8 w/ 3.55 sure >>>>>> grip [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > differential ratios. A reduced need to down shift and reduced cruising > torque requirements can greatly extend transmission lifetime. Actually I was refering to 2500 CTD > JS >>>>>>> I have a '98 Ram QC 1500, 92k miles, 2wd, Auto, 5.9 V-8 w/ 3.55 sure >>>>>>> grip [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > > Actually I was refering to 2500 CTD Even so that is a bit of a reach imo Roy >> JS >>>>>>>> I have a '98 Ram QC 1500, 92k miles, 2wd, Auto, 5.9 V-8 w/ 3.55 >>>>>>>> sure grip [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > > Even so that is a bit of a reach imo Not when most people with 99 and up are reporting ~22 MPG > Roy >> >>> JS > >>>>>>>> I have a '98 Ram QC 1500, 92k miles, 2wd, Auto, 5.9 V-8 w/ 3.55 > >>>>>>>> sure grip [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > > Not when most people with 99 and up are reporting ~22 MPG i get 21 IF i can keep my foot off the trottle...... 19 most of the time with my normal driving to and from work/around town. Signature-Chris 05 CTD 06 Liberty CRD > > Roy > >> > >>> JS >> >>>>>>>> I have a '98 Ram QC 1500, 92k miles, 2wd, Auto, 5.9 V-8 w/ 3.55 >> >>>>>>>> sure grip [quoted text clipped - 101 lines] > i get 21 IF i can keep my foot off the trottle...... > 19 most of the time with my normal driving to and from work/around town. Automatic? 50 inch tires? 4x4? 4.11 rear end? >> > Roy >> >> >> >>> JS > >> > Even so that is a bit of a reach imo > >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Automatic? 50 inch tires? 4x4? 4.11 rear end? no 6 speed 3.73 rear end stock steel/michlin 17" wheels/tires keep in mind my truck is an ST, no frills, bought it for what it was built for truck. Signature-Chris 05 CTD 06 Liberty CRD >> i get 21 IF i can keep my foot off the trottle...... >> 19 most of the time with my normal driving to and from work/around town. > > Automatic? 50 inch tires? 4x4? 4.11 rear end? Get your head out of the clouds and back to reality... that's a perfectly normal MPG rate for his truck. The 3rd gens, especially the '04.5's and up, get worse fuel mileage than a 2nd gen... the engines make more power, burn more fuel, the gear ratios are higher (3.54 used to be standard - now it's a 3.73), and the aerodynamics aren't as good as the 2nd gens. I'm also in the 18-19MPG range (closer to 18) with "normal" driving. Like Chris, I can push it up into the low 20's with judicious use of the right pedal - but that's just not an fun. >>> i get 21 IF i can keep my foot off the trottle...... >>> 19 most of the time with my normal driving to and from work/around town. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Chris, I can push it up into the low 20's with judicious use of the right > pedal - but that's just not an fun. I have not messed with the 3rd gens too much. I know for sure my 2nd gen gets ~21 MPG highway miles with the rear end set at 3.73 At the price for fuel not I am considering going back to 3.54 to get 25MPG. The thing is that my Banks Power Pack gives me just as much HP and torque as the 3rd gen without the fuel increase. GB > >> i get 21 IF i can keep my foot off the trottle...... > >> 19 most of the time with my normal driving to and from work/around town. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Chris, I can push it up into the low 20's with judicious use of the right > pedal - but that's just not an fun. LOL i have to agree Tom. its much more fun to embarass the young hot shot in a little sports car next to me, with the percieved "oversized & slow truck" the lwb quad with 8' of box is just about as oversized as it gets *really big grin* and besides the right pedal is really a on/off switch right? *grin* Signature-Chris 05 CTD 06 Liberty CRD also on a side note, i have to say i was really impressed with the new cummins on my last trip to KY, (this was the first road trip for the new truck). i sold my father in law my 99 durango and hauled it up on the equipment trailer. we pulled the 8% grade on the TN-111 at 60 with no problems. infact we like to have run a f350 over. and we got nearly 15 mpg on that trip. running the truck hard (75 most of the way on the interstate), i have to say it again, getting rid of the 8L and buying this one when we did was the best move we could have made. Signature-Chris 05 CTD 06 Liberty CRD > >> i get 21 IF i can keep my foot off the trottle...... > >> 19 most of the time with my normal driving to and from work/around town. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Chris, I can push it up into the low 20's with judicious use of the right > pedal - but that's just not an fun. And it doesn't even come close to using the same axle as the 1500 series. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > >>>>>>> I have a '98 Ram QC 1500, 92k miles, 2wd, Auto, 5.9 V-8 w/ 3.55 sure [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > > > >> JS >>>> That is not what I heard. Someone told me he got 25 MPG with stop rear >>>> gears then switched to 3.73 for towing and it dropped to 21 MPG >>> Ok, I gotta break my silence on this one. >>> >>> A halfton dodge of any sort getting 25 mpg? Is yours magical? I agree with the magical part, I take this MPG claim with a grain of salt. No way a Dodge P/U with a 360 got 25 MPG. Typically they get about half that and sometime a bit better. The Dodge 360 gas motor does not have a good track record for fuel economy. ----------------- The SnoMan www.thesnoman.com >>>>> That is not what I heard. Someone told me he got 25 MPG with stop rear >>>>> gears then switched to 3.73 for towing and it dropped to 21 MPG [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > does not have a good track record for fuel economy. > ----------------- The 5.9 sure can get that much with the 3.54 read end gears. > The SnoMan > www.thesnoman.com >>>>>> That is not what I heard. Someone told me he got 25 MPG with stop rear >>>>>> gears then switched to 3.73 for towing and it dropped to 21 MPG [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > The 5.9 sure can get that much with the 3.54 read end gears. You realize the subject of this thread is "Re: rear end whine on '98 Ram 1500".. The truck you're talking about has absolutely no relation to your diesel truck, at the axles or any other part of the driveline. Now I remember why I quit bothering to read here... JS >>>>>>> That is not what I heard. Someone told me he got 25 MPG with stop >>>>>>> rear [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Now I remember why I quit bothering to read here... Your ignorance is showing. A gear is a gear if they have the same ratio no matter what size they are. > JS > >>>>>>> That is not what I heard. Someone told me he got 25 MPG with stop > >>>>>>> rear [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > A gear is a gear if they have the same ratio no matter what size they are. Once again, you make a complete a.s out of yourself and show your own ignorance is showing. What does the gear ratio have to do with the OP's post? He was referring to the failure of a specific rear used in the 1500 series, the DC 9 1/4 which is NOT used in the 2500 or 3500 and has nothing to do with the ratio used. According to you, I should be able to pull the diff out of a pinto and install it in a Kennworth because after all, a gear is a gear, right? SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > A gear is a gear if they have the same ratio no matter what size they are. But a Chrysler 9.25" is not a Dana 70... one is a full-floater, the other is a C-clip. One uses shims, the other uses preload adjusters... just to name a couple of differences. >> A gear is a gear if they have the same ratio no matter what size they >> are. > > But a Chrysler 9.25" is not a Dana 70... one is a full-floater, the other > is a C-clip. One uses shims, the other uses preload adjusters... just to > name a couple of differences. Well my point was that is gears have the same ratio even one maybe the size of the moon and the over the size of a marble they will rotate the wheels at the same rate. > >> A gear is a gear if they have the same ratio no matter what size they > >> are. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > of the moon and the over the size of a marble they will rotate the wheels at > the same rate. Which has nothing to do with the OP's post. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving >>> A gear is a gear if they have the same ratio no matter what size they >>> are. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > of the moon and the over the size of a marble they will rotate the wheels at > the same rate. Dorkboy, Realize something... You're talking about an engine with a ~3200 rpm redline and peak torque somewhere around 2400. 3400 is about the peak torque on a stock gas 360, 4000ish is the peak torque on a stock gas 318... both redline somewhere over 5k. If you want to start a gearing penis war - my dodge has 3.21:1 gears. It also can't (and never has been able to) climb a reasonably small hill (the kind of hill I could climb in a 4 cyl nissan in 5th no problem) at 75 mph in 5th. Was that combo on your Cummins, it'd probably gain speed going up the hill with the pedal halfway down... Well, until the NV3500 exploded (5, maybe 10 seconds) JS >The 5.9 sure can get that much with the 3.54 read end gears. Only in your dreams ----------------- The SnoMan www.thesnoman.com >>The 5.9 sure can get that much with the 3.54 read end gears. > > Only in your dreams > ----------------- > The SnoMan > www.thesnoman.com Guess you will just go buy a 2nd gen and find out. While you are dreaming a am living it. >W You mean living the lie. No gas 360 will do that and a CTD might come close to that some time but the fuel costsmore here and has since last summer (last winter it was 75 cent or more than gas too) and when you factor in cost of engine, manitainance and fuel, you are loosing not saving money. ----------------- The SnoMan www.thesnoman.com > summer (last winter it was 75 cent or more than gas too) and when you > factor in cost of engine, manitainance and fuel, you are loosing not > saving money. And how many times do I have to do the math and prove you wrong? Even at $3.00/gal for gasoline, and $3.75/gal for diesel, you're looking at 18-20MPG vs 11-13MPG. Take the extremes - 13MPG at $3.00/gal vs. 18MPG at $3.75/gal. That's $0.231/mile for gas, and $0.208/mile for diesel. Let's say it was an extra $5,000 for the diesel option. At that rate, it's a little over 200,000 miles to break even... admittedly not that good, yet far from a loss. However, when diesel prices are a little better (for example, I'm paying $2.99/gal right now, while my gasoline-burning friends are paying between $2.89 and $3.21), or $0.166/mile. At that rate, the cost of the engine is paid for in about 75,000 miles - less if you factor in the higher gasoline prices ($3.12 for 89 octane, at the place that sells diesel for $2.99 here by me). The break-even time for a diesel gets even lower when you look at real-world performance. To get 13MPG from a gas-powered 1-ton truck, you've got to really baby it. That same babying would get you 20-21MPG on the diesel engine. The MPG results drop more for a gas-powered pickup when towing a heavy load than they do for the diesel - again, enhancing the cost benefit of the diesel engine. On resale, a diesel-powered truck will get between $2,500 and $3,500 more than a comparable gas truck. So, you need to factor that into your initial costs (the fact that you'll make it up on resale). Using a figure of $3,000 in resale, now you've only got to make up $2,000 in up-front costs... so 87,000 miles using your prices, or 30,000 miles using my prices. As for the myth about higher maintenance costs... the diesel uses twice as much oil (12qts. vs. 6qts), but the drain intervals are twice as long... that's a wash. Air filters are a wash. There's a fuel filter that needs changing every 15,000 miles or so - at a cost of $12. On the other side, the gas engine needs plugs every 30K ($30), cap/rotor/wires every 50K ($80). The way I see it, maintenance of a gas engine is the more expensive of the two. You want to talk about common repairs? Changing a water pump on a Cummins takes about 30 minutes - the same job takes almost three times as long on a gas engine. Book time on changing a timing chain... 4 hours maybe? 0 on the diesel... everything's gear-driven. How many people with V8's on here have had to have an intake plenum gasket replaced? Again, not an issue on the little I-6. Change out a stuck/frozen lifter on a gas engine? A few hours worth of work... not needed on a diesel (solid lifters and flat tappets). Granted, you do need to adjust the valve lash every 100K or so... takes about 30 minutes. Aside from the financial facts, there's the drivability factor. Owning both a Cummins and a V10-powered 3500, and hauling with both of them, there's no way I would ever choose to pull a load with the V10 over the Cummins. In fact, there's very little I use my V10 for at all these days. The V10 is a little quicker off the line, but the Cummins eats it for lunch on a rolling acceleration. My 45-80MPH times, for example, in my V10 are twice that of my Cummins. Hey - I get it... diesels aren't your thing. That's fine - but don't take your personal bias and try to apply it to the real-world benefits of burning oil rather than gasoline. Your argument simply falls apart under even a bit of scrutiny. Apparently the only real "rear end whine" around here can be found between Snoman and Tbone. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> summer (last winter it was 75 cent or more than gas too) and when you >> factor in cost of engine, manitainance and fuel, you are loosing not [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > burning oil rather than gasoline. Your argument simply falls apart under > even a bit of scrutiny. And this post has what value??? I guess just about the same as all of your others, none at all. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > Apparently the only real "rear end whine" around here can be found between > Snoman and Tbone. [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > burning oil rather than gasoline. Your argument simply falls apart under > > even a bit of scrutiny. > And this post has what value??? I guess just about the same as all of > your > others, none at all. What value????? You have to be kidding!! With crap you post, you have the BALLS to question the value of anybody's post?????<GBMFG> That would be like me and mac demanding value from Denny's attacks on us, of course those attacks are unjustified.<VBG> It is all humor, and Max's post WAS funny.; Actually the only fault I can find with Max's post is it took to long to use the "whine". Hell it has been there for a couple of days. Gotta help the oldest kid move, so I can't play until later. Be gentle. Roy (hope ya find some value in this) > Actually the only fault I can find with Max's post is it took to long to > use the "whine". Hell it has been there for a couple of days. Sorry, I know I'm slacking as far as picking up the obvious bits of humor and commenting, but I have quite a bit to do and the weather is nice. I get the feeling that even if Tbone had both things happening to him, he'd rather argue about rear ends. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> And this post has what value??? I guess just about the same as all of >> your [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Roy (hope ya find some value in this) >> And this post has what value??? I guess just about the same as all of >> your [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Gotta help the oldest kid move, so I can't play until later. Be gentle. At least TBone can figure out he's discussing a half ton dodge ram, he's entirely farther ahead of the game than Dorkboy. JS >> And this post has what value??? I guess just about the same as all of >> your [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > those attacks are unjustified.<VBG> It is all humor, and Max's post WAS > funny.; Unjustified my skinny little a.s!!! You do remember who the cheapshot champion is here don't you?? Hint....He's a fricken Patriot fan that likes to watch cars go in circles and make little puny sized holes in paper. Real men shoot .30 cal or larger...<BFG> Denny > Actually the only fault I can find with Max's post is it took to long to > use the "whine". Hell it has been there for a couple of days. > > Gotta help the oldest kid move, so I can't play until later. Be gentle. > > Roy (hope ya find some value in this) >>> And this post has what value??? I guess just about the same as all of >>> your [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Denny Seems a nerve was touched. Oh, real men that survive learn to hit and git and don't carry a bunch of heavy stuff like .30 cal.<BFG> Roy >> Actually the only fault I can find with Max's post is it took to long to >> use the "whine". Hell it has been there for a couple of days. >> >> Gotta help the oldest kid move, so I can't play until later. Be gentle. >> >> Roy (hope ya find some value in this) >>>> And this post has what value??? I guess just about the same as all of >>>> your [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Roy I didn't realized that hit and git was a priority when punching holes in paper. I need to readjust my tactics so I don't git a papercut. <BFG> About the only thing that I can think of that'd be better than the kick of a 8mm Mauser might be a Garand but I just don't have the pennys for one of them yet. Denny >>>>> And this post has what value??? I guess just about the same as all of >>>>> your [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > a 8mm Mauser might be a Garand but I just don't have the pennys for one of > them yet. What are you preparing for, a invasion? <G> Your going to need some help carrying all the stuff you've been picking up. Roy > Denny >>>>>> And this post has what value??? I guess just about the same as all >>>>>> of your [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > What are you preparing for, a invasion? <G> Your going to need some help > carrying all the stuff you've been picking up. Hmmmmmmm.....Might have to get a bigger truck....... Denny >> > About the only thing that I can think of that'd be better than the kick of > > a 8mm Mauser might be a Garand but I just don't have the pennys for one of > > them yet. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Roy A man can't own too many guns or knives! I myself don't really care much for knives, so I try to make up for it in guns. ;) And bigger holes in paper are easier to see from a distance. <BFG> HD Other than a bit of humor, the value is in seeing you act like an a.s with a reply. Predictable. SignatureMax "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > And this post has what value??? I guess just about the same as all of > your [quoted text clipped - 90 lines] > under >> > even a bit of scrutiny. Pretty much like you just did here, LOL! SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > Other than a bit of humor, the value is in seeing you act like an a.s with a [quoted text clipped - 96 lines] > > under > >> > even a bit of scrutiny. >> summer (last winter it was 75 cent or more than gas too) and when you >> factor in cost of engine, manitainance and fuel, you are loosing not [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > 200,000 miles to break even... admittedly not that good, yet far from a > loss. I think the real factor is the vehicle. I drive a 132k mile 1999 Dodge Ram 1500 when I'm absolutely forced to. While it offers a comparatively nice quiet ride compared to my friend's 96 2500 w/ CTD, its quite obviously mechanically *very* tired. For comparison, my friend's truck has almost 300k, he's had it in the shop a few times (trans fried a 110k, throttle issue around 200k [stuck open], and a stuck something-another cause it to not stop running one night) Oh, and for comparison, he gets $5k+ purchase offers on his truck regularly - and the 'old-school' Cummins rattle makes half the ladies in East Texas hot. I doubt I could sell mine for much more than weight, because nobody wants a used-up gas-sucking half-ton piece-of-sh.t truck. Oh well - it'll serve its purpose until I get my hands on a fire truck (I need the storage, and an 80-100 ft ladder...) JS >>> summer (last winter it was 75 cent or more than gas too) and when you >>> factor in cost of engine, manitainance and fuel, you are loosing not [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > regularly - and the 'old-school' Cummins rattle makes half the ladies in > East Texas hot. Your ladies down there in East Texas are heavy duty enough that they need a Cummins to haul their fat a.s around???? <BFG> Damn, ole Roy will be checking out Texas instead of Fla.. Denny >>>> summer (last winter it was 75 cent or more than gas too) and when you >>>> factor in cost of engine, manitainance and fuel, you are loosing not [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Your ladies down there in East Texas are heavy duty enough that they need > a Cummins to haul their fat a.s around???? This from the original "wide ride"? Well I suppose being a fat a.s, Denny knows what he's talking about. Although he hauls his around in a gasser.<VBG> Damn, ole Roy will be > checking out Texas instead of Fla.. No way Texas, Bush and Broke back Mountain. Of course there is a Bush in Fla. but he can at least form a sentence. <G> (That should set the tone for the test of the weekend.) Oh Rabbit, got the kid moved. What a pia!! Two trips with a 24' truck loaded full the first and about 1/2 the second. Into the hot tub first thing this morning and to the chriopractor 1st thing Tuesday morning.<G> Sore, but it was kinda fun to get both of my son's together and watch the interaction again. House needs some work but nothing serious. Has a huge lot for metro Boston, probably could sub divide it and put up another house. Time will tell I guess. Roy > Denny >>>>> summer (last winter it was 75 cent or more than gas too) and when you >>>>> factor in cost of engine, manitainance and fuel, you are loosing not [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > loaded full the first and about 1/2 the second. Into the hot tub first > thing I gotta ask just for curiosity sake. Is there any water left in the tub after you wedge your fat a.s in there?? Do you have to grease the sides so you can get out again?? this > morning and to the chriopractor 1st thing Tuesday morning. Does he employ several pro wrestlers as assistants to roll you over?? <G> Sore, but it > was kinda fun to get both of my son's together and watch the interaction > again. House needs some work but nothing serious. Has a huge lot for metro > Boston, probably could sub divide it and put up another house. Time will > tell I guess. It is good to get family together again, most of the time anyways.. <G> Denny > Roy >> Denny >>>>>> summer (last winter it was 75 cent or more than gas too) and when >>>>>> you [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > after you wedge your fat a.s in there?? Do you have to grease the sides so > you can get out again?? Hold over 500 gal. Plenty of room for me. You on the other hand........ > this >> morning and to the chriopractor 1st thing Tuesday morning. > > Does he employ several pro wrestlers as assistants to roll you over?? Doesn't roll me, flips me.<G> > <G> Sore, but it >> was kinda fun to get both of my son's together and watch the interaction [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > It is good to get family together again, most of the time anyways.. <G> All in all a good time. Roy > Denny > >> Roy >>> Denny >> summer (last winter it was 75 cent or more than gas too) and when you >> factor in cost of engine, manitainance and fuel, you are loosing not [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > burning oil rather than gasoline. Your argument simply falls apart under > even a bit of scrutiny. Ummm Tom, you forgot to put the "smell factor" in there somewhere... <G> Denny Either you guys buying these new $45,000 diesel-duallys make a hellouva lot more money than I do or your wife works or you've won a small lottery somewhere. Tell me how you swing a $6~$700 (or higher if you were upside-down on your trade-in) truck note and still manage to eat? Are you maybe living in a rented "dubl-wahyd" in Hawbuck someplace? Four or five guys all go in together on the note? Still sponging off mom & dad? Tell me your secret please, because I want one of these too. :-) >> summer (last winter it was 75 cent or more than gas too) and when you >> factor in cost of engine, manitainance and fuel, you are loosing not [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] >oil rather than gasoline. Your argument simply falls apart under even a bit >of scrutiny. > Either you guys buying these new $45,000 diesel-duallys make a hellouva > lot more money than I do or your wife works or you've won a small lottery [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > guys all go in together on the note? Still sponging off mom & dad? Tell me > your secret please, because I want one of these too. :-) Do you really want me to answer this?? Roy >Either you guys buying these new $45,000 diesel-duallys make a hellouva >lot more money than I do or your wife works or you've won a small lottery [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >guys all go in together on the note? Still sponging off mom & dad? Tell me >your secret please, because I want one of these too. :-) i don't know about the others but i bought mine. not a dually though but still stickered in the range you were talking. i have a job, i make a living. wasn't any harder than buying just about any other car or truck out there. >>> summer (last winter it was 75 cent or more than gas too) and when you >>> factor in cost of engine, manitainance and fuel, you are loosing not [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] >>oil rather than gasoline. Your argument simply falls apart under even a bit >>of scrutiny. I work for a living. thats how i do it. and no i dont live in a trailer....i live in a quite nice house, brick at that. and except for the trucks (and naturally the house) everything i own is paid for. Signature-Chris 05 CTD 06 Liberty CRD > Either you guys buying these new $45,000 diesel-duallys make a hellouva > lot more money than I do or your wife works or you've won a small lottery [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > >oil rather than gasoline. Your argument simply falls apart under even a bit > >of scrutiny. >I work for a living. thats how i do it. > >and no i dont live in a trailer....i live in a quite nice house, brick at >that. and except for the trucks (and naturally the house) everything i own >is paid for. I work for a living too. My AGI last year was a tad over $70k. No, not setting the world on fire, but not too bad either. Wife doesn't work outside the home, but all the kids are grown and gone. We do have one still in college, which does at time put a strain on the budget. We do not carry any month-to-month balance on any of our credit cards. Everything is fully paid for except the house. Even there our house note is comparatively small at $820/mo including taxes & insurance. We have a credit score of 805. We of course can qualify for a new truck note at the best interest rates available (credit score 805 = tier-one credit worthiness). The problem is I don't want to have to wind up living hand-to-mouth or paycheck to paycheck with no discretionary money left over just because we're slaves to a freakin' truck payment. I've not had a vehicle payment in the last 6 years so I've been out of the market for a while. When the dickens did the 3/4 and 1-ton CTD start fetching prices of $40~45 thousand? Jesus Christ! ' Your mother-in-law is hanging off the back, screaming. > >I work for a living. thats how i do it. > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > while. When the dickens did the 3/4 and 1-ton CTD start fetching prices of > $40~45 thousand? Jesus Christ! that was the problem with me getting my truck. i got my truck fairly reasonable (around 25k i believe it was). when i went into the dodge dealer i had a set of 5 cryteria that i was looking for and told them so. also told them that anything above and beyond these cryteria was simply luxury and i wasnt willing to pay an arm and a leg to get the luxury part. (something that is apparanty out of the sales staff's vocabulary). i wanted a 05 CTD 1 ton perferred but 3/4 would work as the 99 3/4 had done the job well. 2wd LSD crew cab 8' box well needless to say they zeroed in on the 1 ton and kept bringing these $45K+ laramies out. granted nice trucks.... but what i was gonna use them for i just couldnt see paying that price. so again i repeated the list. they said ok and pulled another overpriced truck around. after threatening to leave and go to another dealer, they somehow figured out how to understand english again and found a 05 3/4 CTD 6speed 2wd LSD QC LWB truck with ST trim at the above price. dont let them fool you into believing that inorder to have the CTD you have to pay the outragous prices they have on some. they do still make trucks meant to work out of. but you give up the XM, leather, power everythng, carpet, bells and wistles that blow when you change lanes and what ever else they are putting in these things now. well anyways that was my experiance getting a reasonably priced truck. good luck in your hunt. Signature-Chris 05 CTD 06 Liberty CRD >well needless to say they zeroed in on the 1 ton and kept bringing these >$45K+ laramies out. granted nice trucks.... but what i was gonna use them [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >power everythng, carpet, bells and wistles that blow when you change lanes >and what ever else they are putting in these things now. >well anyways that was my experiance getting a reasonably priced truck. good >luck in your hunt. Thanks Chris. At $40~45K I can buy a fully dressed out Lexus ES. But I want a TRUCK and I don't want to settle for something stripped-down with a cardboard interior, manual-crank windows, rubber floor mat and a stick-shift. When we started pricing these the shocker was the *HUGE* price jump between the 1500 QC and an *equally-equipped* 2500 QC (before adding the CTD). Judas Priest!!! I don't need leather seats or the NAV package or mega-cab, but QC, CTD and a decent freakin' radio is a requirement and I can accept the price "bump" for the engine. The 8' box would be nice, but also isn't mandatory unless I get the dually. The dually wasn't a must-have either, but taken by itself, it's only a couple grand more than SRW, so that's actually one of the more reasonable options. Okay, CTD $5500, DRW + 8' box $2200; How did that get us to $42,790 + TTL? I have the CHRYCO "preferred pricing" deal through my employer where I can buy anything on the lot for 1% -below- invoice, but even the invoice numbers seem to be a moving target and depend on who you ask. Go to Kelly Blue Book and price it out, go to Consumer Reports pricing service and get a close similar (not exact) number, but then go into the dealer and suddenly my highest "invoice" figures are $7800 below theirs. What's wrong with this picture? > >well needless to say they zeroed in on the 1 ton and kept bringing these > >$45K+ laramies out. granted nice trucks.... but what i was gonna use them [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > suddenly my highest "invoice" figures are $7800 below theirs. What's wrong > with this picture? you may be able to go to the dodge website and build a truck (with the options you want) and get a general idea of what your gonna pay for it. then keep that in mind when you talk to the dealer, most likely they are not gonna have the exact truck you built but can find/get something close. with me even the radio was optional. what i wound up with of course was radio, cloth seats, vinyl floor (witch i really wanted but wasnt insistant on). the dealers around here seem to want to go from a stripped work truck to a fully dressed larmie in the CTDs when they have a much larger variety if trim levels in the 1500. you can get that larger varity in the bigger trucks you just have to be insistant on what you want. believe me for the price diff it was well worth the hassel of getting them to understand english! sounds to me like you want a little more than i did. stuff like the convince group, and power group, but i dont think those options alone are an arm and a leg more. like i said go to the dodge website and play around you can figure out what options out price them selves and what you need/want really quickly. heck you and even print off the info on the truck you selected and take it right to the dealer and show them exactly what your looking for. it was a really helpful tool for us. Signature-Chris 05 CTD 06 Liberty CRD Real trucks don't need spark plugs >>well needless to say they zeroed in on the 1 ton and kept bringing these >>$45K+ laramies out. granted nice trucks.... but what i was gonna use them [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > suddenly my highest "invoice" figures are $7800 below theirs. What's wrong > with this picture? I can give a 05 price on my truck. 2500 SLT CTD QC short box 4X4 most of the toys, no leather or sexy factory radio. List was $42K paid iirc $33K Roy >I can give a 05 price on my truck. 2500 SLT CTD QC short box 4X4 most of the >toys, no leather or sexy factory radio. List was $42K paid iirc $33K Thanks Roy. Low 30s and an end of the model year was exactly what we had in mind. At the time I was looking there were still a few 05s left but all but 1 were dressed to the 9s and the one that wasn't was a Std cab, white 2500 LB that was just too generic. > Either you guys buying these new $45,000 diesel-duallys make a hellouva > lot more money than I do or your wife works or you've won a small lottery [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > guys all go in together on the note? Still sponging off mom & dad? Tell me > your secret please, because I want one of these too. :-) Avoid the use of charge cards! Use one in an emergency only, then pay it off. Roy >>> summer (last winter it was 75 cent or more than gas too) and when you >>> factor in cost of engine, manitainance and fuel, you are loosing not [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] >>bit >>of scrutiny. > > Either you guys buying these new $45,000 diesel-duallys make a hellouva > > lot more money than I do or your wife works or you've won a small lottery [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Roy what's a charge/credit card???? never heard of such an animal..... <BG> Signature-Chris 05 CTD 06 Liberty CRD > >>> summer (last winter it was 75 cent or more than gas too) and when you > >>> factor in cost of engine, manitainance and fuel, you are loosing not [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > >>bit > >>of scrutiny. > > Either you guys buying these new $45,000 diesel-duallys make a hellouva > > lot more money than I do or your wife works or you've won a small lottery [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Avoid the use of charge cards! Use one in an emergency only, then pay it > off. Hell no, use them for everything and pick one that does something that you want or need like cash back or FF miles and then zero balance them every month so you don't pay any interest. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving >> > Either you guys buying these new $45,000 diesel-duallys make a hellouva >> > lot more money than I do or your wife works or you've won a small [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > want or need like cash back or FF miles and then zero balance them every > month so you don't pay any interest. Yup, that's true if you have the disipline to do it. Most don't and there is where 80% of the trouble starts imo. Roy >> summer (last winter it was 75 cent or more than gas too) and when you >> factor in cost of engine, manitainance and fuel, you are loosing not [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > burning oil rather than gasoline. Your argument simply falls apart under > even a bit of scrutiny. Tom, if you aren't driving a friggin' suburban and throwing oil all over the undercarriage you are not with the program. I guess you gotta do the same with the sheet metal so it won't rust too. Gotta be kinda messy though. You hit on it though. Some people just don't like a diesel. Rather than just say so and be done with it, they babble on about how expensive they are. But saying it and proving it are two different things. It is that simple, likes and dislikes. I've said before, if it were not for the Cummins I probably would not be in a Dodge. Roy >>> summer (last winter it was 75 cent or more than gas too) and when you >>> factor in cost of engine, manitainance and fuel, you are loosing not [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > >Roy and if diesel is such a bad option, why did honda just announce the huge investment they are making in a 4 and 6 cyl diesel for thier cars and trucks in the future. funny why honda said in their announcement that they saw diesel as playing a huge role in the engines of the future. i guess honda doesn't know what they are doing either. they should have saved their time and energy and just asked tbone. > >>> summer (last winter it was 75 cent or more than gas too) and when you > >>> factor in cost of engine, manitainance and fuel, you are loosing not [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > future. i guess honda doesn't know what they are doing either. they > should have saved their time and energy and just asked tbone. yea really.... my friends that drive the powerjokes still dont believe the MPG figures that im getting. one guy lives 4 houses down and says he's getting 13 out of his at best. calls me a liar flat out, of course i just grin and say "buy a cummins someday and find out for your self" i also know the people that just dont like a diesel and wouldnt be caught dead near one. but they cant figure out why my 3/4 ton blows the doors off of their 1/2 tons either <BFG> Signature-Chris 05 CTD 06 Liberty CRD > >>> summer (last winter it was 75 cent or more than gas too) and when you > >>> factor in cost of engine, manitainance and fuel, you are loosing not [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > future. i guess honda doesn't know what they are doing either. they > should have saved their time and energy and just asked tbone. Damn right, it's about time someone realized my genius! <GBMFG> >>W > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > saving money. > ----------------- That was last year. With the sudden jump is gasoline prices, diesel has not caught up and I do not think it will. The average cost of diesel where I am is 3.19 and has stayed that way for a month or more while gasoline is running 3.2x. Sorry sucka Plus what Tom said. > The SnoMan > www.thesnoman.com > >>W > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > The average cost of diesel where I am is 3.19 and has stayed that way for a > month or more while gasoline is running 3.2x. LOL, get real, that is area specific. Here in NC, the price of gas has dropped to around $2.65 (regular) while diesel has held at $2.89, and this is the summer, when diesel is at its cheapest and gas is approaching its highest price. > Sorry sucka How old are you, 16? > Plus what Tom said. While Tom makes a dam good argument, there is no free lunch. As more people go to diesel, the regulations on them are going to increase significantly and as for cost, the added weight will cause increased wear on drive train and suspension components and the cost to repair just about anything on a diesel is significantly more than on gas engine. He mentioned the intake plenum gasket repair but failed to mention the cost of a diesel injector pump which can and do fail every now and then. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving >> >>W >> > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > is the summer, when diesel is at its cheapest and gas is approaching its > highest price. Curious, how much is diesel? I'm going through there on the way to Fl and am trying to figure fuel stops. >> Sorry sucka > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > plenum gasket repair but failed to mention the cost of a diesel injector > pump which can and do fail every now and then. Probably because the pump is warrantied for 100K. Failure of the IP has about gone away since the lift pump failure has been corrected. Roy SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > >> >>W [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Curious, how much is diesel? I'm going through there on the way to Fl and am > trying to figure fuel stops. Diesel is all over the place around here. The local station by me is $2.89 but that would be a bit out of your way going to Florida. When I used to make the trip back abd forth between here and NJ, I used to get off of 95 at exit 61B in Virginia, there are 3 or 4 stations right next to each other and the price was pretty good (better than the local price here in NC). > >> Sorry sucka > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Roy > > >> >>W > > >> > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > exit 61B in Virginia, there are 3 or 4 stations right next to each other and > the price was pretty good (better than the local price here in NC). last fuel stop i made on the way to work it was 2.69 here in middle GA and there's lots of diesel all over the state. Signature-Chris 05 CTD 06 Liberty CRD > > >> Sorry sucka > > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > > > Roy >>The 5.9 sure can get that much with the 3.54 read end gears. > > Only in your dreams I think he's talking about a Cummins (5.9) Roy >>>The 5.9 sure can get that much with the 3.54 read end gears. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Roy haven't seen you posting too much lately. is everything ok? after the talk about the floods i just hope they didn't cause you a bunch of damage?? >>>>The 5.9 sure can get that much with the 3.54 read end gears. >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the talk about the floods i just hope they didn't cause you a bunch of > damage?? Everything is fine, thanks. We managed to stay dry, but others weren't so lucky. Just been busy as hell. Roy My current ratio is 3.55, I was considering 3.73 until I found that you can't find 3.73 anywhere. 3.21, 3.55, 3.90 and 4.10 are the only ratios I have found for the 9.25" as an interesting bit of information regarding Yukon gear sets....this is what jawsgear.net says about Yukon gears: "Yukon Gear Ring and Pinions are a mixture of several aftermarket brands of gears out on the market today. You could open the box and find a US Gear, Richmond Gear, Dana Gear, Motive Gear, Genuine Gear, or a true Yukon Gear. They are mixed to show a larger product line. If you are wanting a specific gear, be sure to call and verify what brand you might truely be getting This gear usually sets easily and runs quite when properly installed." >>I have a '98 Ram QC 1500, 92k miles, 2wd, Auto, 5.9 V-8 w/ 3.55 sure grip >>axle. [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > The SnoMan > www.thesnoman.com > >I have a '98 Ram QC 1500, 92k miles, 2wd, Auto, 5.9 V-8 w/ 3.55 sure grip > >axle. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > premature failure. That rear axle is not that weak and if you had > serviced it regulalry it would have likely never failed. Complete Bullshit. There have been WAY TO MANY failures of this particular rear to attribute this to maintenance. Sure, if you change the fluid daily and only drive it down hill on sunny days, even the biggest POS made will have a long life but that is not reality. In reality, as you said, moat people ignore the rear axle and it needs to be built with that in mind and most are. I have never had a rear axle failure before this truck. > Axle can have hard life but they can handle if properly serviced for usage. Agreed, but many of this unit fail even without having a hard life. > I would suggest that you go with at least 3.73 as the 3.55 will not save you > any gas with OD. Then perhaps he simply should not use OD as what you are doing basically accomplishes the same thing. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving >I have a '98 Ram QC 1500, 92k miles, 2wd, Auto, 5.9 V-8 w/ 3.55 sure grip >axle. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >thanks- >rich Just a note. Several years back I bought a nearly new 3.55 rear gear set off of ebay for around $20.00. The shipping cost more than the gears and bearings. 100K later and they are doing fine. People change the ratios and tires on new vehicles and there are some bargins out there. beekeep |
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