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Tom - 07 Aug 2006 17:49 GMT
Link to Gettysburg photos showing the Gettysburg battlefield before
superintendent John Latschar's ego ran amok and ruined it.
http://users.snip.net/~hart/

We loved Gettysburg: married there, took dozens of week-long trips, spent
many thousands of dollars there, and even considered moving there. But those
days are over thanks to park superintendent John Latschar. He's ruining the
Gettysburg battlefield. He calls it restoration. Desecration is more
descriptive. If we spent another dime we'd be supporting the destruction. We
refuse.

Trees are being ripped out wholesale. The deer have been slaughtered.
Visiting on a November evening is an experience everyone should be able to
enjoy, but he shortened the decades-old operating hours so you'll be
ticketed and labeled criminals. He threw up so many one-way signs that
traffic in town has become a tourist's nightmare.

He likes saying, "The time for comment was during the planning, not now."
Well, Bozo, the public DID and continues to comment, but you ignore them.
Tens of 1000s have voiced their concern, but you act as though the
Gettysburg battlefield is your own private domain to use and abuse as you
please. It belongs to the taxpayers, not an arrogant, government-appointed
bureaucratic freeloader.

Gettysburg battlefield ghost hunters have been turned away in droves because
he equates them with drug users and drinkers. What a moron. Not only is the
town losing a fortune toward the local economy, the park is losing thousands
of watchful eyes from some of the most respectful visitors. Those with evil
intent will always gain access at night as was proven by recent vandalism.
Closing the park merely keeps honest folks out. John Latschar has, in
effect, given vandals free rein.

Attendance is lagging. He blames everything except his own bumbling. He
constantly moans about never having enough money to fix rotting cannons,
monuments and buildings, yet continues wasting funds on mindnumbingly
senseless projects that divide the townspeople and drives others away. It's
typical government ineptness.

Looks like John Latschar sits around dreaming up new ways to piss people
off. If he's not shooting the wildlife, cutting down 100s of acres of trees,
changing the hours or screwing up traffic flow, he'll devise some other
dumbass plan. Chances are he'll eventually move on to another location
leaving his mess and debts behind for someone else. It wouldn't be the first
time.

What's worse than allowing John Latschar to inflict so much damage to the
Gettysburg battlefield? Most of you sit idly by and let it happen without so
much as a whimper. Talk is cheap, but a Gettysburg boycott speaks volumes.
We're doing our part. Good bye Gettysburg. You were our favorite place on
Earth until John Latschar raped you. Now you're just a memory. What a pity
and disgrace.

Cassie and Tom
http://users.snip.net/~hart/
Acceleron - 08 Aug 2006 09:16 GMT
> Link to Gettysburg photos showing the Gettysburg battlefield before
> superintendent John Latschar's ego ran amok and ruined it.
> http://users.snip.net/~hart/

Who uses Internet Explorer any more? Your page sucks.
mac davis - 08 Aug 2006 15:10 GMT
>Who uses Internet Explorer any more? Your page sucks.

I do.. but his page probably still sucks..
Mac

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TBone - 08 Aug 2006 17:32 GMT
> > Link to Gettysburg photos showing the Gettysburg battlefield before
> > superintendent John Latschar's ego ran amok and ruined it.
> > http://users.snip.net/~hart/
>
> Who uses Internet Explorer any more?

Oh, about 95% of the people on the web.

> Your page sucks.

And you are how old, maybe 10?

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jmc - 08 Aug 2006 21:40 GMT
Suddenly, without warning, TBone exclaimed (09-Aug-06 2:02 AM):
>>> Link to Gettysburg photos showing the Gettysburg battlefield before
>>> superintendent John Latschar's ego ran amok and ruined it.
>>> http://users.snip.net/~hart/
>> Who uses Internet Explorer any more?
>
> Oh, about 95% of the people on the web.

Actually, I think it's more like 90%.  But the point is, I think, that
it's really bad business to build a website for *one* browser (no matter
which it is).  Why block out 10% of potential business just because the
webmaster is stupid or not properly trained?

Yea, pet peeve.  I'm a webmaster myself.

And off topic.  Unless the superintendent put Dodge statues (or took
them down) around the battlefields.  Or it's "ruined" 'cause he fixes
his Ram on one of the battlefields :)

jmc
Acceleron - 09 Aug 2006 05:03 GMT
>>>Link to Gettysburg photos showing the Gettysburg battlefield before
>>>superintendent John Latschar's ego ran amok and ruined it.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Oh, about 95% of the people on the web.

And who, do you suppose, are they?
The people crowding the middle of the bell curve.
Average, computer-semi-illiterate, blissfully unaware folks with
malware-infested Dell PCs.

>>Your page sucks.
>
> And you are how old, maybe 10?

A "Best viewed with Internet Explorer" page is the stuff of 10-year
olds. The sucky page could have accomodated any modern browser equally
well. Even IE, if the webmaster didn't try to get too cutting-edge with it.
Some Guy - 09 Aug 2006 05:46 GMT
> >> Who uses Internet Explorer any more?
> >
> > Oh, about 95% of the people on the web.
>
> And who, do you suppose, are they?
> The people crowding the middle of the bell curve.

No, they're people that need to buy plane tickets or do banking over
the net or run intra-office web-based apps, all of which (like it or
not) was designed to function properly with IE.

> Average, computer-semi-illiterate, blissfully unaware folks with
> malware-infested Dell PCs.

Your wrath should be aimed at those running the malware infection
platform known as XP.  100% of home computers by rights should have
stayed with Win-98 instead of migrating to XP.  During XP's "golden
years" 2002-2004 it was wide open to 1/2 dozen infection routes just
by being connected to the net.  The spam explosion came because of so
many exploitable XP systems becoming available to hackers.

Windows 98 was a security paradise compared to XP.  Many IE-related
security issues are tied to XP and not Win-98.
Acceleron - 09 Aug 2006 06:53 GMT
>>>>Who uses Internet Explorer any more?
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> the net or run intra-office web-based apps, all of which (like it or
> not) was designed to function properly with IE.

Same people! They can click the IE icon, and then they're just along for
the ride.

Most webmasters have outgrown the "Best viewed with Internet Explorer"
phase though, that's pretty old.

>>Average, computer-semi-illiterate, blissfully unaware folks with
>>malware-infested Dell PCs.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Windows 98 was a security paradise compared to XP.  Many IE-related
> security issues are tied to XP and not Win-98.

Insidious, isn't it? So many PCs get tossed after a couple years when
they seem to be too slow, and their owners are clueless. So they buy a
new Dell, and the infection process starts over.
JS - 09 Aug 2006 09:17 GMT
>>>> Who uses Internet Explorer any more?
>>> Oh, about 95% of the people on the web.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> the net or run intra-office web-based apps, all of which (like it or
> not) was designed to function properly with IE.

Actually, those kind of sites are usually pretty damned universal.  Its
been a long while since I've hit any brick-walls when surfing with Firefox.

My pet peeve is Macromedia Flash.  95% of the time its used in obnoxious
ways, the other 5% of the time it requires Flash v9 which isn't
available for Linux (I dual-boot kubuntu and XP on my laptop)

>> Average, computer-semi-illiterate, blissfully unaware folks with
>> malware-infested Dell PCs.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Windows 98 was a security paradise compared to XP.  Many IE-related
> security issues are tied to XP and not Win-98.

Win98 has its own set of crappyness.  I guess we should have all stuck
with PCs slower than 1 ghz (98 has issues with fast hardware) and less
than 256MB ram (iirc 98 can't really use more)

Hell, I right now have a single legitimate application using 550MB ram
(radio propagation prediction app covering a HUGE area at an
unreasonably high resolution) and this copy of Thunderbird is eating
38MB ram...

Of course, back when Win98 was king I was running NT4 (and eventually
Win2k) and cursing every new peripheral that *only* had a USB connector..

I guess theres no reason to rub in the many issues found in the "9x" IP
stack over the years.  winnuke, pepsi, etc...

Plus, who can ever forget the "Error Exception 0E" BSODs that everybody
seemed to get...  I think a copy of memtest86 would have been a big help
with curing most of those...

Hell, Win 3.1 booted in about 1.5 seconds on a Pentium 166 with a decent
(for the day) 4200 rpm hard drive, why not go back to using it instead?

JS
Acceleron - 09 Aug 2006 11:05 GMT
>> Windows 98 was a security paradise compared to XP.  Many IE-related
>> security issues are tied to XP and not Win-98.
>
> Win98 has its own set of crappyness.  I guess we should have all stuck
> with PCs slower than 1 ghz (98 has issues with fast hardware) and less
> than 256MB ram (iirc 98 can't really use more)

Win98 is working at 2GHz for me, with 512MB RAM. Performance is plenty
snappy. And it's all inside a beautiful Mac G4 case.
MoParMaN - 09 Aug 2006 12:08 GMT
>>> Windows 98 was a security paradise compared to XP.  Many IE-related
>>> security issues are tied to XP and not Win-98.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Win98 is working at 2GHz for me, with 512MB RAM. Performance is plenty
> snappy. And it's all inside a beautiful Mac G4 case.

Hmm, like living in the stone age I see. What do you drive, a D-3 Cat or a
Peugeot's

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miles - 09 Aug 2006 14:15 GMT
> Hmm, like living in the stone age I see. What do you drive, a D-3 Cat or a
> Peugeot's

Why spend the money to upgrade if whats currently running works?  I
maintain about 200 PC's at my work.  50 are running MS-DOS.  Yes, you
heard right..good old DOS.  Why?  Because these PC's run a single
program 24/7 for product testing on our assembly line.  They never
crash, get viruses and they require only low end inexpensive PC's.
Acceleron - 10 Aug 2006 06:02 GMT
>>>>Windows 98 was a security paradise compared to XP.  Many IE-related
>>>>security issues are tied to XP and not Win-98.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Hmm, like living in the stone age I see. What do you drive, a D-3 Cat or a
> Peugeot's

I'm not "in" an age. I ended up with a mix of old and not-so-old, and
all of it quality stuff. Still using the same IBM "click" keyboard that
came with my 486! I don't like mushy keys.
miles - 09 Aug 2006 14:13 GMT
> Win98 is working at 2GHz for me, with 512MB RAM. Performance is plenty
> snappy. And it's all inside a beautiful Mac G4 case.

Win98 doesn't make good use of memory.  It partitions some of it to
store screen and user information such as window locations etc.  It is a
fixed partition size that does not grow as more memory is added.  XP
makes far better use.
jmc - 09 Aug 2006 21:36 GMT
Suddenly, without warning, miles exclaimed (09-Aug-06 10:43 PM):
>> Win98 is working at 2GHz for me, with 512MB RAM. Performance is plenty
>> snappy. And it's all inside a beautiful Mac G4 case.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> fixed partition size that does not grow as more memory is added.  XP
> makes far better use.

yabbut... If someone's still choosing to use Win98, and it's "snappy",
I'm guessing that the poorer memory use isn't an issue for them :)

My hubby, btw, still uses Win98 and is happy with it.

Me?  I'm running a 64-bit AMD system that's a couple years old, about to
upgrade my kit to a dual-core system, with increased RAM and a better
video card.  I use my computer hard, it needs the power.

jmc
Acceleron - 09 Aug 2006 22:45 GMT
>> Win98 is working at 2GHz for me, with 512MB RAM. Performance is plenty
>> snappy. And it's all inside a beautiful Mac G4 case.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> fixed partition size that does not grow as more memory is added.  XP
> makes far better use.

Yes, system "resources", which can eventually run low if I try to go
24/7 or run too much at once. I really need to reboot to clear that up.
And XP still fragments disk space, just like my 98. I think
Unix/Linux/OSX don't do that.
JS - 10 Aug 2006 10:46 GMT
>>> Win98 is working at 2GHz for me, with 512MB RAM. Performance is
>>> plenty snappy. And it's all inside a beautiful Mac G4 case.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Yes, system "resources", which can eventually run low if I try to go
> 24/7 or run too much at once. I really need to reboot to clear that up.

You mean like use the computer? :)

> And XP still fragments disk space, just like my 98. I think

Yep.  Whats funnier is Microsoft claimed NTFS could not get fragmented
back in the NT3.1/3.51/4/Win2000 days.  Eventually they got slapped by
reality.

At least XP's defragmenter improves performance.  Can't say that for 98's :)

> Unix/Linux/OSX don't do that.

Hrm, kinda.

All FS's can get fragmented, its just some are better at placing files.
 FAT was designed around maximizing the ability to undelete files.
NTFS isn't that much of an improvement.  Most unixy OSes will 'defrag'
on the fly, keeping the problem down to a minimum.

I just wonder when Microsoft is going to get around to releasing a
journaling file system.  ;)

JS
Acceleron - 10 Aug 2006 22:35 GMT
>>>> Win98 is working at 2GHz for me, with 512MB RAM. Performance is
>>>> plenty snappy. And it's all inside a beautiful Mac G4 case.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> You mean like use the computer? :)

Sometimes I'll reboot just for the heck of it, to see the free resources
number climb back up. But it's been a non-issue.

>> And XP still fragments disk space, just like my 98. I think
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> At least XP's defragmenter improves performance.  Can't say that for
> 98's :)

Why not? I use the ME defragmenter, both work.

>> Unix/Linux/OSX don't do that.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> isn't that much of an improvement.  Most unixy OSes will 'defrag' on the
> fly, keeping the problem down to a minimum.

Wasn't entirely sure, so did some reading about that. Linux reorders
data requests, so that fragmentation has little or no effect.

> I just wonder when Microsoft is going to get around to releasing a
> journaling file system.  ;)

Microsoft is waning. Their Golden Age is over.

> JS
Chris Thompson - 09 Aug 2006 13:22 GMT
>>>>> Who uses Internet Explorer any more?
>>>> Oh, about 95% of the people on the web.
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
> Hell, Win 3.1 booted in about 1.5 seconds on a Pentium 166 with a decent
> (for the day) 4200 rpm hard drive, why not go back to using it instead?

we never had problems with DOS 3.1 or earlier, just an observation *grin*

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> JS
Some Guy - 09 Aug 2006 14:41 GMT
> Win98 has its own set of crappyness.  I guess we should have all
> stuck with PCs slower than 1 ghz (98 has issues with fast hardware)
> and less than 256MB ram (iirc 98 can't really use more)

Why are you spreading lies about 98?

I've got an office full of PC's with 2.5 ghz Pentium-4's with 512 mb
of ram and 64 mb NVidia AGP cards with 80 gb hard drives running
Win-98.

You've fallen into the trap of judging '98 by the standards of the
hardware that was available in the late 90's (slow CPU's, piddly
amount of RAM, buggy motherboard chipsets, etc).  Try running '98 on
any motherboard made since 2001 and you'll see how stable it is.

> I guess theres no reason to rub in the many issues found in the
> "9x" IP stack over the years.  winnuke, pepsi, etc...

A few harmless DoS vulnerabilities.  That pales in comparison to the
speed at which any 2K or XP system could get hacked into a few years
ago just by having a network connection.
jmc - 09 Aug 2006 21:38 GMT
Suddenly, without warning, Some Guy exclaimed (09-Aug-06 11:11 PM):

>> Win98 has its own set of crappyness.  I guess we should have all
>> stuck with PCs slower than 1 ghz (98 has issues with fast hardware)
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> speed at which any 2K or XP system could get hacked into a few years
> ago just by having a network connection.

I'm not a fan of '98 myself, but I'm going to have to second that.  It's
been rock hard stable on my hubby's system, which is a couple years old,
but not as old as his OS.

jmc
jmc - 09 Aug 2006 09:37 GMT
Suddenly, without warning, Some Guy exclaimed (09-Aug-06 2:16 PM):

>>>> Who uses Internet Explorer any more?
>>> Oh, about 95% of the people on the web.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> the net or run intra-office web-based apps, all of which (like it or
> not) was designed to function properly with IE.

Huh?  Most DECENT banking, ticket-selling, and intra-office stuff works
just fine on Firefox or other browsers, IF DESIGNED PROPERLY.

I do all my banking using Firefox.  I do all my shopping using Firefox.
  I do all my surfing using Firefox. If I come across an IE-only site,
I write the webmaster, then they lose my business.

So, sorry, you're incorrect.  In my experience - and yes mine is skewed,
I'm surrounded by geeks (and am one myself) - there's a very high
percentage of computer literate folks that use Firefox, or Opera, or
Konqueror as their primary browser - anything but IE.  The few geeks
that use IE truly like it, even with it's security problems and
non-compliance with web standards.  The rest who use IE simply don't
know any better.  I've created many converts among that group ("try it,
you'll like it")...

There's simply no valid excuse - none - for coding a web page to work on
IE only.  Ignorance or laziness.

Ok, I'm off my soapbox now.

Just to say something on topic, the dealer in Australia can do the
recalls for my Dakota I had to put off since the one in the UK wouldn't.
 But it's taking gawdawful long to get the parts!

jmc
Chris Thompson - 09 Aug 2006 13:14 GMT
we had them send the parts by sail boat, should be there by next year. BFG

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> Just to say something on topic, the dealer in Australia can do the recalls
> for my Dakota I had to put off since the one in the UK wouldn't. But it's
> taking gawdawful long to get the parts!
>
> jmc
Paddy O'Day - 14 Aug 2006 15:42 GMT
> > Link to Gettysburg photos showing the Gettysburg battlefield before
> > superintendent John Latschar's ego ran amok and ruined it.
> > http://users.snip.net/~hart/
>
> Who uses Internet Explorer any more? Your page sucks.

Boycott cross posting trolls.

JAM
Acceleron - 15 Aug 2006 07:27 GMT
>>>Link to Gettysburg photos showing the Gettysburg battlefield before
>>>superintendent John Latschar's ego ran amok and ruined it.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Boycott cross posting trolls.

Tom posted to numerous groups *individually*. Some of the wording varied
slightly too, so it doesn't appear to be an easy Copy & Paste job.
Probably retyped fresh each time as he looked at his handwritten notes. :)
 
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