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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / September 2006

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92 Cummins Overdrive problem

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dcrall@ccjax.com - 28 Aug 2006 21:31 GMT
I know this is a subject that has probably been beaten to death here, I
am new so please forgive me.

I have a 92 2500 4X4 with a receintly rebuilt (3 years ago Jasper)
trans. About a year ago we had the OD stop working on the highway, I
pulled over and replaced the throttle position switch, had lunch.. and
I had OD again, for about 1/2 hour and it went away again.

The transmission to date works fine when cold, or till I drive a few
miles then I loose the OD till she gets cold again. The engine temp
gauge never shows hot, and I have also just changed the fan clutch.

I called Jasper who told me it was either a speed sensor, or tempature
sensor. Since I had previously changed the speed sensor and my
speedometer is working fine, I ruled that out. I have to assume the
tempature sensor he refers to is the one attached to the cooling line
under the transmission.  How can I prove a bad tempature switch ?  I am
open to other ideas or tests.

Guys, I would love some help
Thanks Doug Crall
dcrall@ccjax.com
John Kunkel - 28 Aug 2006 22:25 GMT
>I know this is a subject that has probably been beaten to death here, I
> am new so please forgive me.
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> under the transmission.  How can I prove a bad tempature switch ?  I am
> open to other ideas or tests.

The thermal switch in the coolant line provides a ground to the SBEC when
the fluid temperature reaches 275°F.
I wouldn't automatically assume that a faulty switch is the problem, there
might be a problem that is actually elevating the fluid to cutoff
temperature.
dcrall@ccjax.com - 28 Aug 2006 23:08 GMT
> The thermal switch in the coolant line provides a ground to the SBEC when
> the fluid temperature reaches 275°F.
> I wouldn't automatically assume that a faulty switch is the problem, there
> might be a problem that is actually elevating the fluid to cutoff
> temperature.

Thanks for the reply John,

I have smelled the fluid, and does not have a burnt smell, and still
looks like red table wine. On the cooling switch, I could monitor to
see if it switches to ground, and then check the trans for over
tempature. Dosen't the sensor have 2 wires? If so I can place a volt
meter across the switch.  If it is the switch, is it available? I
believe it is part of the cooling line.

If it is not the trans oil temp switch, what else can it be? Does it
also monitor the engine tempature, Is that where it senses too  cold
for Overdrive? if so, does it use the same engine temp sensor as the
dash temp meter?

Doug Crall
617211 - 28 Aug 2006 23:13 GMT
Try removing the thermal switch from the transmission line,
re-attached electrical connector, plug hole in line. I tried a variety
of resistors in that circuit that I think Bill Kondolay ( from Diesel
Transmission Technology ) suggested & I ended up removing sender,
installing pick-up for temp gauge & zip-tying sender/wire to frame.
That damn computer wanted to see that switch, nothing else worked!
dcrall@ccjax.com - 28 Aug 2006 23:24 GMT
> Try removing the thermal switch from the transmission line,
> re-attached electrical connector, plug hole in line. I tried a variety
> of resistors in that circuit that I think Bill Kondolay ( from Diesel
> Transmission Technology ) suggested & I ended up removing sender,
> installing pick-up for temp gauge & zip-tying sender/wire to frame.
> That damn computer wanted to see that switch, nothing else worked!

So when you removed the sensor, was it a hole or a screw thread?  I
would imagine the computer wants to see something out there, I don't
mind replacing the sensor if it's bad, or questionable, I am just not
sure you can get parts for a 14 year old Dodge truck that they didn't
make too many of to start with.

Thanks for the suggestion

Doug Crall
Scott - 29 Aug 2006 03:21 GMT
> > Try removing the thermal switch from the transmission line,
> > re-attached electrical connector, plug hole in line. I tried a variety
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>
> Doug Crall

I know this don't have anything to do with the trans problem, but I
love the 91'-93' body style, got a 92' myself, and a diesel, ya don't
see many of them anymore!  I have replace parts on my 92' and never had
a problem with getting a part.

Scott
dcrall@ccjax.com - 29 Aug 2006 16:16 GMT
> > > Try removing the thermal switch from the transmission line,
> > > re-attached electrical connector, plug hole in line. I tried a variety
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>
> Scott

I like the 92 body style a lot better than the 2 newer body styles
too,and the access to the engine, in particular the fuel filter is far
better . I can change the fuel filter and be back on the road in under
5 minutes.   However you can't beat the improvements that Dodge made in
the newer truck cabs.....much more comfortable, quieter, and I bet the
AC & Heater have better capacity. I know my 92, I freeze in the winter
and sweat in the summer.

Doug

Doug
617211 - 04 Sep 2006 04:05 GMT
Sorry for the slow response, just getting over a hard drive crash. I
removed sensor, which is threaded ( pipe threads maybe?? ) , installed
temp sensor for trans temp gauge in empty hole & zip tied theremoved
sensor with connector to sebc still attached to cross member by
tranny. Hope that helps. If not, email me!
 
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