> OK... I'm no mechanic. I'm no tire guy. I had to have a tire replaced on
> my 2005 2WD regular cab
>I hate touch pads! I asked the owner of the tire shop to be sure and have
>the lug nut torqued. He said no problem. They do it by hand. Well I have
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> What do you guys think?
Yes you should, unless the guy was using a torq-stick on the impact.
Denny
Edward L. Dowdy - 30 Sep 2006 21:28 GMT
No looked like half inch gun with socket on it. But I'll call and make sure.
Ed
>>I hate touch pads! I asked the owner of the tire shop to be sure and have
>>the lug nut torqued. He said no problem. They do it by hand. Well I have
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> Denny
> I hate touch pads! I asked the owner of the tire shop to be sure and have
> the lug nut torqued. He said no problem. They do it by hand. Well I have
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> Ed Dowdy
> Fithian IL
If the specified torque was reached (or exceeded) using the impact driver,
using a torque wrench afterward would serve only to verify that the lugs are
torqued to *at least* the specified torque. However, the specified torque
likely has a *range* of values (ie 65-70 ft/lb). If the torque wrench
didn't turn the lugs, they're overtightened. It sounds like this is what
happened to you. Aside from making it difficult (or impossible) to change a
flat alongside the road, there's the potential to do damage to the wheels,
nuts, lugs, and/or rotors.
FWIW, even when I've specified it as you have, I've never found a tire shop
that properly torques lug nuts/bolts. The last time I had a tire shop
install tires/wheels ('69 Barracuda) , I specified they not use an impact
driver at all and that they must torque to the 55 ft/lb specification using
only a manually-operated torque wrench. They torqued the 7/16" lugs to over
150 ft/lb (the limit of my torque wrench)! If I can avoid it, I no longer
let tire shops install tires/wheels.
Bryan
Edward L. Dowdy - 30 Sep 2006 21:57 GMT
I called the guy. He said bring it in Monday he would gladly loosen and
retighten them. I think for my own edification. I'll borrow a friends torque
wrench and do it myself. It sure looked to me like they were being way over
tightened. Like you said. If the nuts don't move with the torque wrench
they're tightened to "at least" that torque. Who knows how far beyond.
Ed
> If the specified torque was reached (or exceeded) using the impact driver,
> using a torque wrench afterward would serve only to verify that the lugs
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> Bryan
John Kunkel - 01 Oct 2006 19:45 GMT
>> I hate touch pads! I asked the owner of the tire shop to be sure and have
>> the lug nut torqued. He said no problem. They do it by hand. Well I have
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> are
> torqued to *at least* the specified torque.
Not always so, the only time a torque wrench reading is accurate is when the
fastener is moving. It takes more torque to get a stalled fastener moving
than the actual torque when it stopped.
IOW, if the desired torque on a fastener is 60 ft. lbs. and the fastener is
actually torqued to 55 ft. lbs, it might take 65+ ft. lbs. of torque to get
the fastener moving again. Therefore, if the fastener doesn't move after
applying a torque of 60 ft. lbs. it doesn't verify that the desired torque
had previously been reached or exceeded.
John - 02 Oct 2006 00:32 GMT
>Not always so, the only time a torque wrench reading is accurate is when the
>fastener is moving. It takes more torque to get a stalled fastener moving
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>applying a torque of 60 ft. lbs. it doesn't verify that the desired torque
>had previously been reached or exceeded.
Excellent point - that has never occurred to me. I guess to be sure
it would be best to loosen them somewhat and "get a running start" to
the proper torque.
Bryan - 02 Oct 2006 04:13 GMT
> >> I hate touch pads! I asked the owner of the tire shop to be sure and have
> >> the lug nut torqued. He said no problem. They do it by hand. Well I have
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> applying a torque of 60 ft. lbs. it doesn't verify that the desired torque
> had previously been reached or exceeded.
Thanks for the correction. The OP should check the torque it takes to make
the lug begin turning. I get the feeling it'll be a *bunch* more than the
spec.
It's a good idea to spot check two lugs on each wheel. See if you can
get em off with a hand wrench. Cause that's what you'll likely have
with you when you get a flat tire. Unless you're like me and always
carry a breaker bar and deep impact socket.

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I hate touch pads! I asked the owner of the tire shop to be sure and
have
the lug nut torqued. He said no problem. They do it by hand. Well I
have
been thinking about this since yesterday when they did it. The guy
working
on the truck cinches all the lugs with an air impact wrench ( I had
the
tires rotated too) then goes around and checks the torque with a
torque
wrench. He didn't just snug it with the impact he tightened it all
down.
Like I said. I'm no mechanic or tire guy. But this makes no sense to
me. I
think I should go home and loosen everything and re-torque according
to the
manual.
What do you guys think?
Ed Dowdy
Fithian IL