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In light of the sh.t going on in the world today. Does this country need to bring back the draft?? Yes or no and why. Roy Not enough people signing up on the voluntary military system, not enough soldiers, sailors or bases in reserve thanks to the liberals, military personnel doing extended tours because the military is understaffed, and many are re-enlisting past their 20 year retirement because of the understaffing . . You do the math.  SignatureBudd Cochran John 3:16-17, Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 3:23, 6:23 "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other." (John Adams) > In light of the sh.t going on in the world today. > > Does this country need to bring back the draft?? Yes or no and why. > > Roy SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Not enough people signing up on the voluntary military system, not enough > soldiers, sailors or bases in reserve thanks to the liberals, military [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You do the math. Math Fiscal 2006 Enlisted Recruiting from Oct 1, 2005 to Aug 31, 2006; Active Duty 102% of goals R and NG 97% of goals "For August, Army National Guard retention was above 119 percent of the cumulative goal of 31,599, and Air National Guard retention was 110 percent of its cumulative goal of 9,236. Both the Army and Air Guard are currently at 98 and 99 percent of their end strength, respectively. Losses in all reserve components for July are well within acceptable limits. The Navy Reserve presents a concern with its increasing attrition rates. Indications are that these trends will continue into August." Good reading at http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joiningthemilitary/a/06recruiting.htm or http://tinyurl.com/fkyd7 And 20 years in the Military is not an age for mandatory retirement but rather a time where you 'can' retire. Those who want to put in more years for a higher retirement income (or for any of a host of reasons), may, just like those of us in private industry who 'can' retire at 59 1/2 but choose rather to stay and work. FMB (North Mexico) Reserves units are not active duty personnel and cannot be included. just like Vietnam, some people are going reserve to avoid a potential draft and to avoid ducking bullets. Current goals are not high enough to replace the manpower lost during the Clinton Fiasco. Most of the service men I knew during the years I was in the National Guard did not want to remain military for another 25 years. Azwiley would be a good one to reply to this point, as would my son, who served in Iraqi Freedom. SignatureBudd Cochran John 3:16-17, Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 3:23, 6:23 "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other." (John Adams) >> Not enough people signing up on the voluntary military system, not enough >> soldiers, sailors or bases in reserve thanks to the liberals, military [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > FMB > (North Mexico) SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > In light of the sh.t going on in the world today. > > Does this country need to bring back the draft?? Yes or no and why. > > Roy When the need arises, sure. Currently, there are enough volunteers to fill the need. So, no. On the other hand, if you mean bring back the draft and have every able bodied 18 y/o fulfill a 2 year commitment to the Military, wow, what a can of worms. Two cans; the anti-draft can and the anti-tax can. Can you imagin the cost of supporting 99% of 18 and 19 year old Americans? So, would need more info and think this one out. FMB (North Mexico) On the flip side...I think the majority of under 25 year olds "need" the military for at least 2 years. Too many of these punk kids think they have the world by the tail. A stint in the military might give them a little more respect for everyone. Signature------------------------------------------ Laszlo Almasi ----Cool Toys (formerly Carolina Watercraft Works) ----Mack Daddy Trailers ----Ice Angels >> In light of the sh.t going on in the world today. >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > FMB > (North Mexico) > On the flip side...I think the majority of under 25 year olds > "need" the military for at least 2 years. Too many of these > punk kids think they have the world by the tail. A stint in the > military might give them a little more respect for everyone. Actually, it's their parents that need a kick in the a.s. The kids got the attitude from them... I agree...sorta. I think both need a swift kick. Signature------------------------------------------ Laszlo Almasi ----Cool Toys (formerly Carolina Watercraft Works) ----Mack Daddy Trailers ----Ice Angels >> On the flip side...I think the majority of under 25 year olds >> "need" the military for at least 2 years. Too many of these [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Actually, it's their parents that need a kick in the a.s. The kids got > the attitude from them... >In light of the sh.t going on in the world today. > >Does this country need to bring back the draft?? Yes or no and why. > >Roy Y E S !!!! My pet peeve for years is kids have too little direction in life since they dropped the draft... MY version is a bit different, though.... I think that everyone, male & female, should be "drafted" for at least 2 years of SOME type of service... Make it military, peace corps, teaching kids in poor areas, picking up trash, etc... anything that will give them a sense of "real life" and aid the US in some way... Then, whether they were in the Army or tutoring poor kids or whatever, they'd be eligible for scholarship help to continue their education.. In my experience, (one of the few perks of being OLD), folks that were in the service or did some other job that required responsibility and giving do much better in college and life in general, because they've had a look at the bad side and don't want to be there... YMWV Thanks for the soap box, bro.... Mac https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm When I went to Ft. Leonard Wood in January 1970, I was a little older than most of the recruits at 22. Even then, the guys that had the least trouble with the D.I.'s were those raised with a strong work ethic. They already knew that "orders" were not "suggestions". When my eldest went to Navy Basic in Chicago 7 years ago, he knew the difference between orders and suggestions also and they made him an acting squad leader for it. He said it made Basic almost easy for him. SignatureBudd Cochran John 3:16-17, Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 3:23, 6:23 "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other." (John Adams) >>In light of the sh.t going on in the world today. >> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis > https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>In light of the sh.t going on in the world today. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > they > dropped the draft... 100% correct imo!! I see these new kids we hire at work and I get better response from the wife's dog. You try to explain something anything and you are greeted with a blank stare. These kid's don't know how to learn. They have been handled gently all tthrough their lives and now don't feel they have to do a damn thing. While I'm at it I'm so sick of hearing the friggin' race card played everytrime a person of color is told to do his damn job. > MY version is a bit different, though.... I think that everyone, male & > female, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > bad > side and don't want to be there... YMWV Yup, it has to be revamped for sure but no more educational deferments. Everybody get's to play. > Thanks for the soap box, bro.... Anytime! Damn your good first thing.<G> Roy > Mac > > https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis > https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm >>In light of the sh.t going on in the world today. >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >Mac pretty good soap box mac. i agree. >https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis >https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm >In light of the sh.t going on in the world today. > >Does this country need to bring back the draft?? Yes or no and why. > >Roy Most definately! Look back at Nam, many a boy got through college just to be defered from the draft. A couple of years of service for ones country for both men and women wouldn't be a bad idea as well. beekeep >>In light of the sh.t going on in the world today. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >beekeep That reminds me of something a friend told us when our son was considering going into the Army, BK... He's retired Navy/Coast Guard and his little pearl of wisdom was that "If a kid has no real plans for college or career, the military is an excellent finishing school" Mac https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm |
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