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Ignoramus17993 - 16 Oct 2006 01:12 GMT
Sold the poorly made Dodge 1500 truck, unlikely to buy another, so I
will be off for some unforeseeable time.

I want to thank all people whose advise was so valuable in making
various repairs to this truck over the years. I want to wish luck to
all present owners of Chrysler products.

i
Stormin Mormon - 16 Oct 2006 13:06 GMT
We need the luck, let me tell you. After my first Dodge (1974 Dodge
Dart) I swore up and down I'd never own another Mopar. Well, stupid
me, I'm on my 4th at the moment.

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Sold the poorly made Dodge 1500 truck, unlikely to buy another, so I
will be off for some unforeseeable time.

I want to thank all people whose advise was so valuable in making
various repairs to this truck over the years. I want to wish luck to
all present owners of Chrysler products.

i
Ignoramus18163 - 16 Oct 2006 14:24 GMT
> We need the luck, let me tell you. After my first Dodge (1974 Dodge
> Dart) I swore up and down I'd never own another Mopar. Well, stupid
> me, I'm on my 4th at the moment.

I swore that I would not own another Dodge as well.

Looks like other people feel the same:

Dealers Balk as Chrysler
Strains to Cut Inventory
By NEAL E. BOUDETTE
October 16, 2006; Page A3

DETROIT -- DaimlerChrysler AG's Chrysler Group is running into
resistance from some big dealers to its latest efforts to shrink its
bloated inventory of unsold vehicles, a development that could make it
harder for Chrysler to bounce back from an expected loss in the third
quarter.

Since warning in September that it will report a loss of $1.5 billion
for the quarter -- more than twice what it had previously forecast --
Chrysler has temporarily halted production at several plants and
stepped up appeals to dealers to take more of the 50,000 or so
vehicles the company has in storage because they were built without
dealer orders. The dealers' reluctance to take more of Chrysler's new
vehicles raises questions about how soon Chrysler will be able to
recover from its third-quarter loss.

Chrysler chief Tom LaSorda and the company's top marketing executive,
Joe Eberhardt, meet today in Detroit with more than 100 dealers from
the Midwest, the first of eight annual regional meetings where they
will renew pleas to increase orders. Last week Chrysler added as much
as $1,500 in sales incentives for vehicles that have sat on dealer
lots for six months or more.
[Profit Plunge]

In an interview at the Paris auto show in September, Mr. Eberhardt
said Chrysler's "vision" is to reduce the sales bank of unassigned
vehicles to "normal levels" by the end of the year. "One thing is
clear. We built inventory that was just too high," he said.

But some of the big dealership chains and many smaller dealers around
the U.S. say they already have too many Chrysler vehicles and won't
take more.

"We are not ordering additional [Chrysler] inventory," said Earl
Hesterberg, chief executive of Group 1 Automotive Inc., a Houston
chain of 101 car dealerships. "I wish we hadn't bought as much as we
did before."

AutoNation Inc., the largest auto retailer in the U.S., with 333
stores, has also declined to take extra vehicles, a spokesman
said. The company is trying to reduce its inventory of Chrysler
vehicles and is ordering only select models that are selling well,
such as the new Dodge Caliber and Jeep Compass.

Lithia Motors Inc., an Oregon dealership chain, took extra vehicles
earlier in the year to help Chrysler trim its inventory, but didn't do
so at the end of September, Chairman and Chief Executive Sid DeBoer
said.

Chrysler spokesman Jason Vines yesterday acknowledged that the
dealers' stance "makes it tougher" to sell off the company's stockpile
of vehicles.

"Some are doing it, some aren't," he said. "We're not forcing this on
them."

The company has said it expects to fare better in the fourth quarter
with new models like a compact Jeep and a redesigned Chrysler Sebring
sedan. Many of the vehicles swelling inventories are Ram pickup
trucks, Jeep sport-utility vehicles and Dodge minivans, as Chrysler
and the other U.S. auto makers have seen demand fall for their most
profitable big models amid higher gasoline prices.

As of last month, Chrysler's inventory included just under 100,000
"unassigned" vehicles the company built without dealer orders in
hand. Mr. Vines declined to give a more current figure but said the
stock of unassigned vehicles is now "about half" of what it was in
mid-September, reiterating that Chrysler expects it to be "gone, zero"
by the end of the year.

Manufacturers try to avoid building vehicles without dealer orders
because they could have to sell such excess production at money-losing
prices, often to rental-car companies. At an average sticker price of
$25,000, the 100,000 unassigned vehicles in Chrysler's sales bank last
month would ordinarily generate about $2.5 billion in revenue.

Chrysler has said it plans to reduce its inventory of some 600,000
vehicles in stock to around 500,000, a goal that will be difficult to
hit without deeper production cuts if dealers are reluctant to order.

At an auto auction in Detroit last week, about 1,400 nearly new
Chrysler, Jeep and Dodge vehicles were on sale, many of which had
spent the past six months in rental fleets and had only 10,000 to
20,000 miles on them.

These vehicles were being sold to dealers for about half of the
invoice prices dealers pay for new models. One silver Jeep Grand
Cherokee Laredo previously owned by Dollar Rent A Car had 16,740 miles
on its odometer. A dealer would pay $31,128 for the car new, but this
one went for $16,300. Dealers said the car would probably sell for
about $23,000 at a dealership.
BigIronRam - 16 Oct 2006 14:54 GMT
> Since warning in September that it will report a loss of $1.5 billion
> for the quarter -- more than twice what it had previously forecast --
> Chrysler has temporarily halted production at several plants and
> stepped up appeals to dealers to take more of the 50,000 or so
> vehicles the company has in storage because they were built without
> dealer orders.

The sales bank again!  Do they never learn?  Sheesh, shades of the late
70's...
Ignoramus18163 - 16 Oct 2006 14:59 GMT
>> Since warning in September that it will report a loss of $1.5 billion
>> for the quarter -- more than twice what it had previously forecast --
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>  The sales bank again!  Do they never learn?  Sheesh, shades of the late
> 70's...

Sounds like conflicts of interest, some managers being paid for
production targets or some such...

I am quite sad about my Dodge RAM story. It was a good truck while it
was driveable, I was hoping to use it for another 10 years or
more... It still looked quite decent actually, after 8 years of use. I
did not abuse it in any way and changed all fluids etc on schedule.

i
Roy - 16 Oct 2006 14:28 GMT
> Sold the poorly made Dodge 1500 truck, unlikely to buy another, so I
> will be off for some unforeseeable time.

Please let us know how the chevy holds up. Did you go with the diesel?

Roy
Ignoramus18163 - 16 Oct 2006 14:32 GMT
>> Sold the poorly made Dodge 1500 truck, unlikely to buy another, so I
>> will be off for some unforeseeable time.
>
> Please let us know how the chevy holds up. Did you go with the diesel?

OK, I will post an update in a few years. It feels good as of right
now, though, of course, so did the Dodge when I bought it, up to a
month ago when it went to hell.

I did not go with the diesel. I bought a 2500HD with a 6 liter V8 gas
engine, a heavy duty transmission, towing and snow plow prep
package. Crew cab (four doors that all open in the same direction),
regular bed. A little basic on the interior, but it has all I need.

i
Roy - 16 Oct 2006 15:34 GMT
>>> Sold the poorly made Dodge 1500 truck, unlikely to buy another, so I
>>> will be off for some unforeseeable time.
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> package. Crew cab (four doors that all open in the same direction),
> regular bed. A little basic on the interior, but it has all I need.

A plow prep on a chevy? You plan on hanging a blade on the front of it?
Before you do, take a look around and see what make the plow trucks in your
area are.
Good luck with your new truck !

Roy
Ed H. - 17 Oct 2006 00:16 GMT
Is that Alison 1000 Transmission?  I've seen they're putting them in as an
option on the gas engine.  If so, I would like to hear your impression of
that combination.

>>> Sold the poorly made Dodge 1500 truck, unlikely to buy another, so I
>>> will be off for some unforeseeable time.
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Ignoramus18163 - 17 Oct 2006 02:51 GMT
> Is that Alison 1000 Transmission?  I've seen they're putting them in as an
> option on the gas engine.  If so, I would like to hear your impression of
> that combination.

No, it is a "heavy duty option" four speed transmission, a $1,000
upgrade over the stock transmission. The Allison is only available for
the 8.1 liter engine, which has shitty fuel economy and I do not need
that much engine. I just want everything -- engine, transfer case,
transmission, rear end etc -- to be very sturdy and honestly made.

i

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>>>> will be off for some unforeseeable time.
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azwiley1 - 16 Oct 2006 15:33 GMT
HEY!! There is no reason you need to leave this group just because you
finally got a case of the smarts and bought a REALY truck. <VBG>

> Sold the poorly made Dodge 1500 truck, unlikely to buy another, so I
> will be off for some unforeseeable time.
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Roy - 16 Oct 2006 15:45 GMT
> HEY!! There is no reason you need to leave this group just because you
> finally got a case of the smarts and bought a REALY truck. <VBG>

Oh, glad to read ya got rid of the girly, girl chevy truck and bought a
manly truck!<GBMFG>

Roy

>> Sold the poorly made Dodge 1500 truck, unlikely to buy another, so I
>> will be off for some unforeseeable time.
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azwiley1 - 16 Oct 2006 19:01 GMT
>> HEY!! There is no reason you need to leave this group just because you
>> finally got a case of the smarts and bought a REALY truck. <VBG>
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>
> Roy

Still got my chevy and it has more miles and less problems then my 97 Ram
did when I traded it in for the chevy!

>>> Sold the poorly made Dodge 1500 truck, unlikely to buy another, so I
>>> will be off for some unforeseeable time.
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mac davis - 17 Oct 2006 17:06 GMT
>>> HEY!! There is no reason you need to leave this group just because you
>>> finally got a case of the smarts and bought a REALY truck. <VBG>
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>Still got my chevy and it has more miles and less problems then my 97 Ram
>did when I traded it in for the chevy!

That's because you had less angry mobs to run from when you drove the Ram... *g*
Mac

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Budd Cochran - 16 Oct 2006 16:16 GMT
Just an observation, from my experience, some folks do better with some
brands than others will.

I've never had good luck with Ford or GM products. It seemed for a while if
you wanted to find out the weakness in your Ford or Chevy, let me drive it
for an hour.

OTOH, my 19 Mopars never gave me a problem that I couldn't handle and most
lasted over 100,000 miles, with a couple exceptions: a 71 Charger I was
given as payment and I never even licensed and my 95 Lebaron GTC (Goofy
Transmission Crap), which is in limp mode again and giving error codes of 33
and 37.

I think I'll go back to slant sixes and 904 transmissions . . . . . .

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> Sold the poorly made Dodge 1500 truck, unlikely to buy another, so I
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beekeep - 16 Oct 2006 17:59 GMT
>Sold the poorly made Dodge 1500 truck, unlikely to buy another, so I
>will be off for some unforeseeable time.
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>i
Just because you don't own a dodge truck doesn't mean that you can't hang out
here.  We put up with Budds crap and he doesn't own one.

beekeep
Andy - 30 Oct 2006 03:49 GMT
Good luck with your cheby.  had a few, still like My Dodge better.

> Sold the poorly made Dodge 1500 truck, unlikely to buy another, so I
> will be off for some unforeseeable time.
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Carolina Watercraft Works - 30 Oct 2006 05:58 GMT
I agree....I use this statement myself:

My first truck was a Chevy...that's why I drive a Dodge now.

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> Good luck with your cheby.  had a few, still like My Dodge better.
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