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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / October 2006

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Gauge installation - electrical tie-ins

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kvand - 22 Oct 2006 04:40 GMT
Hello all:
Hoping I can get a little help from the group on this one. I will be
installing EGT, boost and tranny temp gauges on my 06 Ram with CTD. The
three gauges will be going in an A-pillar mount. The two questions I
have are 1. Where do I draw ignition-on power from? and 2. Where can I
tie in to the dash lighting for the dimmer circuit?
There does not seem to be a fuse panel inside the truck to run back
to...at least not one that I know where to find. And I believe the dash
lights are all controlled through the computer so I don't know if
tieing into the dimmer wheel is the anwer.
Any help/advice would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Kevin
Tom Lawrence - 22 Oct 2006 05:45 GMT
> have are 1. Where do I draw ignition-on power from? and 2. Where can I
> tie in to the dash lighting for the dimmer circuit?

I always prefer to tap the cigarette lighter power wire for ignition-on
power, since I never use that circuit (this way, if it blows, I can still
drive the truck).  On an '06, it's the pink/yellow wire.  For the dimmer
output, tap the orange/brown wire coming from pin#2 of the headlamp switch
connector (be careful - there's another orange/brown on pin #4).

> lights are all controlled through the computer so I don't know if
> tieing into the dimmer wheel is the anwer.

I run 6 gauges off of the dimmer signal wire on my '03 - not a problem.

As for actually tapping the wires, I really like the Posi-Tap connectors
from Posi-Lock.  They're easy to put on, don't mangle the wire, can be
removed easily, and let you run multiple wires from the same tap.  Any auto
parts store should have them.  They look like this:
http://www.posi-lock.com/posiplug.html
kvand - 22 Oct 2006 14:42 GMT
Tom,
Thank-you for the concise answers to my questions. I wasn't sure if the
lighter worked only with the ignition-on or not. I've never used it,
but of course it would be simple to check. As for the dimmer circuit,
I'll tap in just as you say. I have seen those posi-lock connectors you
mentioned at Geno's Garage, but have not seen them yet in Canada. No
matter, I was planning on soldering the connections anyhow. Thanks
again.
Kevin
kvand - 22 Oct 2006 14:55 GMT
Tom,
Another question I thought to ask after I made the previous post.
Did you remove your turbo prior to drilling and tapping for the pyro?
Or, did you use the grease on the drill bit trick? I've actually been
leaning toward removing the turbo and placing it off to the side,
leaving the oil line intact. The only potential problem with that is
that I don't have another turbo flange gasket, which may not be an
issue since the truck is only 3 months old.
Later,
Kevin.
Mike Simmons - 22 Oct 2006 15:41 GMT
> Tom,
> Another question I thought to ask after I made the previous post.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Later,
> Kevin.

Kevin:

I can't speak for Tom, but when I drilled mine, I greased the drill bit and
then the tap.  After tapping, I took a small pencil magnet and stuck it down
the hole several times until no shavings came back out, then hooked the shop
vac to the hole for a few seconds.  I seriously doubt that there were any
particles left that amounted to much.

Mike
Chris Thompson - 22 Oct 2006 20:54 GMT
i asked a similar question a while back and ill copy and paste the response
i received from Tom L. i used this method and it worked well. hope this is
the answer your looking for.

below is his response on my query for suggestions on mounting and probe
location.

For a single gauge, the Mopar SRT-10 A-pillar is a good choice.  Available
from Geno's Garage (http://www.genosgarage.com), it will replace the stock
A-pillar trim with one that has a molded-in gauge holder (this is used from
the factory on SRT-10 Rams to hold an oil temp. gauge).  It retains your
grab handle, so there's no downside to using it.

To match your truck's gauges, either a DiPricol (although some, myself
included, don't like the big white center cap) or an ISSPRO EV-series are
the closest match to the factory gauges.  I personally run an Autometer
Phantom, but that's because I went with a full compliment of Autometer
gauges.

As for mounting the thermocouple, you want it in the exhaust manifold, where
it will do the most good.  Drill/tap a hole right above the turbo mounting
flange, in the rear-most of the two passages.  This will measure the EGT's
from the rear cylinders, which run a little hotter than the rest.  Start
with a cooled-off engine, and duct-tape off the exhaust tip, then poke a
small hole through the duct tape.  You want to create some backpressure.
Next, start the engine, and while wearing gloves and goggles (or a
faceshield), drill a 21/64" (or 11/32", or even 5/16" will work - but 21/64"
is the closest to the 'correct' size) into the manifold.  All the chips will
be blown back out at you, so watch yourself (but better at you than into
your turbo).  Now you can shut the truck off, remove the duct tape, and let
it cool a bit.

Get a 1/8"-27 NPT pipe tap, and load up the flutes with grease.  Now
carefully tap the hole you drilled.  You'll probably want to go 5-6 full
turns on the tap to get the thread depth correct.  Turn the tap until it
gets a bite of the metal, and you feel good resistance to turning it.  Then
back it off 1/4-turn, and go forward again.  That will break the chip off,
and embed it in the grease.  You want to tap deep enough so that the probe
threads in 3 full turns.

Once that's done, just put the probe in, and hook up it's wiring to the
gauge.  Do NOT cut the probe wires to length - coil up the excess underneath
the dash.

For lighting, you can tap the larger-of-the-two orange/black wires from the
headlamp switch (this is the dimmer circuit).  For a switched +12V, you can
tap the red wire from the cigarette lighter.  For ground, you can use the
grounding screw on the lower dash frame, behind the knee blocker panel.

Signature

----------------------------
-Chris
05 CTD
06 Liberty CRD

Real Trucks don't NEED spark plugs.

>
> Tom,
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Later,
> Kevin.
Tom Lawrence - 22 Oct 2006 21:38 GMT
Ummm....  yeah, what he said  :)
Chris Thompson - 22 Oct 2006 22:57 GMT
I figured you would be partial to that old post Tom.

Signature

----------------------------
-Chris
05 CTD
06 Liberty CRD

Real Trucks don't NEED spark plugs.

> Ummm....  yeah, what he said  :)
kvand - 22 Oct 2006 21:42 GMT
Chris,

Perfect! I appreciate the effort you took to dig up that old reply. And
I thank Tom as well as I understand from your post he provided you with
that information originally.

By the way...I've think I've seen your sig before...maybe on
DieselRam.com. If you happen to see a "Dodgethis" that would be me.

Thanks again,
Kevin
Chris Thompson - 22 Oct 2006 22:58 GMT
yea I frequent inlinediesel.com and I believe the sig line is the same.

Signature

----------------------------
-Chris
05 CTD
06 Liberty CRD

Real Trucks don't NEED spark plugs.

>
> Chris,
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Thanks again,
> Kevin
 
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