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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / November 2006Somewhat OT: Bad karma and social problems
Grrr... Recently the hubby backed my truck up into a landcruiser, taking out the tailight and leaving a nice big dent back there. Thursday, I picked up the truck from the body shop, all fixed. Today (Saturday) we're trying to get out of a parking spot downtown, noticed a running fight between Aboriginals. A fairly heavyset woman is screaming and threatening a one-legged man on crutches, who is trying to run away. Another man, probably her SO, is trying to stop her. The woman and her SO look to be indigenous (I haven't room here to go into the social problems of the Australian Aboriginals), but the guy on crutches looks to be a working citizen. Hardly a fair fight, the guy on crutches was trying to run away. At one point he looks at us and makes the universal "phone" sign, but I don't know the number to call the cops (I only know the emergency #, she hadn't actually touched him yet), and shrug - but note to myself the police station is just around the corner. Well, before we can get out of the spot, the fight reaches the truck, and in an attempt to get the woman away from the guy in crutches, he throws her up against my truck. After a minute or two the fight moves far enough away for us to make our escape. We stop at the police station, and I go in to report the problem - they knew this particular one-legged guy (actually, there's a lot of one-legged Aboriginals in town, I have no idea why). Hubby comes running in, to tell me they DENTED MY TRUCK. ARGH! Long dent, nearly two feet long, in the 'club cab' panel. Cop tells me there's nothing to be done - since they weren't specifically targeting my vehicle, it's not a criminal matter, it's an "accident". Phooey. For a few moments, all I wanted to do was go back with a baseball bat, and give that fat woman (who was causing the whole problem) what for, and giving her SO a whack for throwing her against my truck. I didn't, of course! We just drove home. Anyway, the story has sort of a happy ending. We get the truck home, and popped the dent mostly out by using a couple of suction cups. Now it's more just a little blivet. BTW, hubby was in the drivers' seat again. Poor guy, he's been having really bad karma where my truck's concerned (and no, I'm not blaming him for this!). Ok. I just needed to vent. Maybe I should just cover the truck with bubble wrap, and ride the bicycle instead... jmc > Grrr... > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > jmc Oz has not been kind to the Dak... Mike Suddenly, without warning, Mike Simmons exclaimed (29-Oct-06 10:56 AM): >> Grrr... >> [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > Mike No, it has not. I've had more problems in the 4 months we've been here, than the previous three in England. I'm looking for the bubble wrap now :) jmc OPINION: I can't help with the truck, but for explanation of the Aboriginal situation, their status is akin to that of the Native American ( Amerind) in that they've been mistreated over-run, subjugated, to the point of losing their collective sense of worth by the invaders of their homeland, the white man. Living in the Southwest US, I meet many Native Americans and have met, over the years, a few Aboriginals that escaped the oppression. In both peoples they just want to live their lives in peace and harmony with their neighbors, as equals. Interestingly, the liberals of both nations and Britain tend to overlook the rights of the native peoples.  SignatureBudd Cochran, voter Vote or you'll be certain to get the government you don't want. John 3:16-17, Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 3:23, 6:23 "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other." (John Adams) > Grrr... > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > jmc SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Suddenly, without warning, Budd Cochran exclaimed (29-Oct-06 10:43 PM): > OPINION: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Interestingly, the liberals of both nations and Britain tend to overlook the > rights of the native peoples. Actually, it's a good bit more complicated than that. The law supports Aboriginals - over-supports them often, due to Legal Aid - but certainly the history of what white Australians did to the Aboriginal is worse than what happened in the US. But many of individual's woes they brought on themselves - Plenty of Aboriginals have managed to stay out of the bottle and make good lives for themselves. But, as with the American Indian, too many have decided to hide in a bottle and live off the gov't, rather than take the harder road of overcoming history and becoming something more. Oppression here is more on an individual rather than a gov't basis. Many Aboriginals have given up and are alcoholics, violent, thieves, beggars or all four, living in town and causing problems. Due to their culture, which scorns buildings - they much prefer to be outside - those individuals' problems are much more on display than any other culture. One has to work very hard to stay open-minded, and many white Australians in this town don't seem to be up to that challenge. jmc > Suddenly, without warning, Budd Cochran exclaimed (29-Oct-06 10:43 PM): >> OPINION: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > the history of what white Australians did to the Aboriginal is worse than > what happened in the US. No, it's just the the "superior" species of man throwing its weight around. > But many of individual's woes they brought on themselves - Plenty of > Aboriginals have managed to stay out of the bottle and make good lives for > themselves. But, as with the American Indian, too many have decided to > hide in a bottle and live off the gov't, rather than take the harder road > of overcoming history and becoming something more. When you destroy a group's collective soul, don't be surprised if it "hides in a bottle". Tell a man he's worthless enough times and he'll become worthless. The same is true of the Amerinds and the Abos as groups. > Oppression here is more on an individual rather than a gov't basis. Many > Aboriginals have given up and are alcoholics, violent, thieves, beggars or [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > jmc A few years ago, I had a chance to speak with a lady of standing in a nearby Dine' (Navajo) tribe and a Moab resident. I asked the one question that had never been asked of her people: "If the Whites had gone to the tribal council and asked to live in peace, share the land, and agree to work out differences without war, what would have happened?" She looked me in the eye and said that most likely, if this had been done with all the Indian Nations then we would still be living side by side and in peace. She and I discussed the drinking problem and we agreed it was because the American Indian is, in many ways, still a second class citizen, still under government subjugation. And they need to be taught to live without subsidy, taught they are of worth and the reservations need to be disbanded. This lady was one of the thousands of Native American kids in the 50's that had been torn from their parents arms and fostered among the Whites, an attempt to force white ways upon the Indians. Since she has learned her people's traditions, laws and helped restore their original language and often works as the Dine' / White liaison in the local hospital. I'm currently helping her youngest son get a Ramcharger 4X4 running again by teaching him things about auto mechanics no longer taught in school. He was sold an engine that had been converted point type ignition and he knew nothing about how they worked. The vehicle had been his dad's before he died from cancer. It's an honor to be asked help someone's son become a man. Budd SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> Suddenly, without warning, Budd Cochran exclaimed (29-Oct-06 10:43 PM): >>> OPINION: [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] >council and asked to live in peace, share the land, and agree to work out >differences without war, what would have happened?" oh yes, that question has never been asked before budd. the fact that it is discussed in so many history books aside, good job man. >She looked me in the eye and said that most likely, if this had been done >with all the Indian Nations then we would still be living side by side and >in peace. well, thast it then. i mean if she and you said it, it must be. crud, we really messed up this one. >She and I discussed the drinking problem and we agreed it was because the >American Indian is, in many ways, still a second class citizen, still under >government subjugation. And they need to be taught to live without subsidy, >taught they are of worth and the reservations need to be disbanded. just another example of keeping the man down baby. >This lady was one of the thousands of Native American kids in the 50's that >had been torn from their parents arms and fostered among the Whites, an >attempt to force white ways upon the Indians. Since she has learned her >people's traditions, laws and helped restore their original language and >often works as the Dine' / White liaison in the local hospital. do you remember what was the leading "cause" or "movement" behind that action budd? i do. read up on it. you will find it very interesting. >I'm currently helping her youngest son get a Ramcharger 4X4 running again by >teaching him things about auto mechanics no longer taught in school. He was >sold an engine that had been converted point type ignition and he knew >nothing about how they worked. The vehicle had been his dad's before he died >from cancer. It's an honor to be asked help someone's son become a man. very liberal of you. >Budd >>> Suddenly, without warning, Budd Cochran exclaimed (29-Oct-06 10:43 PM): >>>> OPINION: [quoted text clipped - 99 lines] > > very liberal of you. Boy, do I feel a big chuckle on the way. I have no doubt that you would find it funny, Roy. It's just the way you are, unfortunately. SignatureBudd Cochran John 3:16-17, Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 3:23, 6:23 "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other." (John Adams) >>>> Suddenly, without warning, Budd Cochran exclaimed (29-Oct-06 10:43 PM): >>>>> OPINION: [quoted text clipped - 104 lines] > > Boy, do I feel a big chuckle on the way. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>>> Suddenly, without warning, Budd Cochran exclaimed (29-Oct-06 10:43 PM): >>>>> OPINION: [quoted text clipped - 101 lines] > >Boy, do I feel a big chuckle on the way. well...........after reading ahead, looks like you weren't dissapointed. at the same time, this "keepin the mad down" campaign is actually much easier on the eyes than the martyr one. i just wonder what crusade he will take up next? any bets? Keeping "the mad down" (whatever the heck that means) is easy when you stuff the ones that start the arguments in a kill file, don't you agree? Open one menu, click one box and no more argument . . . . . SignatureBudd Cochran John 3:16-17, Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 3:23, 6:23 "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other." (John Adams) >>>>> Suddenly, without warning, Budd Cochran exclaimed (29-Oct-06 10:43 >>>>> PM): [quoted text clipped - 121 lines] > easier on the eyes than the martyr one. i just wonder what crusade he > will take up next? any bets? SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >Keeping "the mad down" (whatever the heck that means) is easy when you >stuff the ones that start the arguments in a kill file, don't you agree? > >Open one menu, click one box and no more argument . . . . . you are right. it was meant to be "man", not "mad", which i think you knew, but sorry for the mistake. while were talking again, why is it so important to you that i killfile you? you seem to beg me to do that an awful lot. does it just play well in your martyr syndrome or is it a face saving way of not having to argue with me any more? either way, i have no intent of putting you in a killfile. i mean........why would i do that? >>>>>> Suddenly, without warning, Budd Cochran exclaimed (29-Oct-06 10:43 >>>>>> PM): [quoted text clipped - 121 lines] >> easier on the eyes than the martyr one. i just wonder what crusade he >> will take up next? any bets? The question is not if you should killfile me but I should killfile you again. Bye. SignatureBudd Cochran John 3:16-17, Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 3:23, 6:23 "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other." (John Adams) >>Keeping "the mad down" (whatever the heck that means) is easy when you >>stuff the ones that start the arguments in a kill file, don't you agree? [quoted text clipped - 150 lines] >>> easier on the eyes than the martyr one. i just wonder what crusade he >>> will take up next? any bets? SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >The question is not if you should killfile me but I should killfile you > >again. > >Bye. ok, as if i give a sh.t. but i gotta say, not very christian of you budd. >Budd Cochran > [quoted text clipped - 158 lines] >>>> easier on the eyes than the martyr one. i just wonder what crusade he >>>> will take up next? any bets? >>> Suddenly, without warning, Budd Cochran exclaimed (29-Oct-06 10:43 PM): >>>> OPINION: [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > oh yes, that question has never been asked before budd. the fact that > it is discussed in so many history books aside, good job man. Have you ever studied Amerind history, or just the written-to-justify-the-action white history? Try "bury My Heart At Wounded Knee" for starters. >>She looked me in the eye and said that most likely, if this had been done >>with all the Indian Nations then we would still be living side by side and >>in peace. > > well, thast it then. i mean if she and you said it, it must be. crud, > we really messed up this one. Well, it's apparent you wouldn't say it as your attitude right now is that you are very superior to me and possibly the Amerinds. >>She and I discussed the drinking problem and we agreed it was because the >>American Indian is, in many ways, still a second class citizen, still [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > just another example of keeping the man down baby. Something you advocate? Like in, "Keep the Christians down, baby"? How many murders does it take to be a murderer? How many bigotries to be a bigot? >>This lady was one of the thousands of Native American kids in the 50's >>that [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > action budd? i do. read up on it. you will find it very > interesting. Yep, to force the Amerinds into American WHITE society, regardless of what your WHITE books say. Try talking to someone that is a child / grandchild of a Trail of Tears survivor, or one that survived those "fosterings" ( I know 4 personally, 2 men and 2 women) and their stories and experiences are close enought to reveal the truth. >>I'm currently helping her youngest son get a Ramcharger 4X4 running again >>by [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > very liberal of you. No, just being a normal Fundamental Christian. SignatureBudd Cochran John 3:16-17, Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 3:23, 6:23 "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other." (John Adams) -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Something you advocate? Like in, "Keep the Christians down, baby"? > How many murders does it take to be a murderer? How many bigotries to > be a bigot? http://homepage.mac.com/mcraigchr/budd.htm Craig C. SignatureFacts [fakts] -noun: The pesky things that get in the way of religious doctrine. Thank you, Craig, for proving my point so precisely. SignatureBudd Cochran John 3:16-17, Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 3:23, 6:23 "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other." (John Adams) >> Something you advocate? Like in, "Keep the Christians down, baby"? >> How many murders does it take to be a murderer? How many bigotries to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Craig C. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> Something you advocate? Like in, "Keep the Christians down, baby"? >> How many murders does it take to be a murderer? How many bigotries to >> be a bigot? > > http://homepage.mac.com/mcraigchr/budd.htm 'Cmon Craig ya gotta get some new stuff. But, it was effective.<G> > Craig C. Ah, you support Christian bashing, no surprise. . . . . SignatureBudd Cochran John 3:16-17, Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 3:23, 6:23 "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other." (John Adams) >>> Something you advocate? Like in, "Keep the Christians down, baby"? >>> How many murders does it take to be a murderer? How many bigotries to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >> Craig C. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Ah, you support Christian bashing, no surprise. . . . . Roy ... per your request: http://homepage.mac.com/mcraigchr/budd2.htm Craig C. SignatureFacts [fakts] -noun: The pesky things that get in the way of religious doctrine. >> Ah, you support Christian bashing, no surprise. . . . . > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Craig C. better! Ah, now that is truly an expert way of showing your bigotry. The stupid part is you think you are just so darn smart. And to think you think _I'm_ deluded . . . . SignatureBudd Cochran John 3:16-17, Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 3:23, 6:23 "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other." (John Adams) >> Ah, you support Christian bashing, no surprise. . . . . > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Craig C. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >Ah, now that is truly an expert way of showing your bigotry. > >The stupid part is you think you are just so darn smart. > >And to think you think _I'm_ deluded . . . . no, my impression is that he thinks you are nuts. >>> Ah, you support Christian bashing, no surprise. . . . . >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> Craig C. > Ah, now that is truly an expert way of showing your bigotry. Jesus told me to do it. > The stupid part is you think you are just so darn smart. I am smart. Both academically and street-wise. I could post my accomplishments for you ... but then I'd be accused of racism, polymorphism or some other "ism"/"otry" that you dream up. > And to think you think _I'm_ deluded . . . . I don't just think it. You leave absolutely nothing to the imagination, Budd. Craig C. >> Ah, you support Christian bashing, no surprise. . . . . > > Roy ... per your request: > > http://homepage.mac.com/mcraigchr/budd2.htm Nicely done<G> ROFLMFAO Roy > Craig C. How sad you are. Bye, again. SignatureBudd Cochran John 3:16-17, Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 3:23, 6:23 "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other." (John Adams) >>> Ah, you support Christian bashing, no surprise. . . . . >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Roy >> Craig C. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> Ah, you support Christian bashing, no surprise. . . . . > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Craig C. You owe me a new key board. beekeep > Ah, you support Christian bashing, no surprise. . . . . Now, just where did that cartoon bash christians? I saw a cool sig at another group. Sorta like this. "When relgion ruled the world they called it the dark ages" don't know (or care) if it is factual but found it a bit interesting. >> Ah, you support Christian bashing, no surprise. . . . . > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the world they called it the dark ages" don't know (or care) if it is > factual but found it a bit interesting. I am kind of curious about the degradation of threads recently. It seems that Christian bashing has become somewhat of a sport lately in the group. I for one am an unashamed Christian, perhaps not as vocal as Budd, but a Christian nonetheless. What useful purpose are we accomplishing when we bait those of faith? Just because you are unfaithed, does not give you a license to criticize those who are of faith. Conversely, we Christians should not be overzealous in our evangelism towards the unfaithful. The cup is there for those who wish to partake. I would just recommend that we all conduct ourselves as gentlemen and women regardless of our religious persuasion. Mike >>> Ah, you support Christian bashing, no surprise. . . . . >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Mike mike, with all due respect to a very nice guy, i think that you have it completely backwards. what is going on is just the opposite. the only reason that it even comes in is because budd has lost his friggin mind and talks about his christianity as if it were some kind of a fuckin medal. budd doesn't talk christianity or for that matter, religion. not at all. if what he says passes to you as religion or as christianity, then i would simply suggest you read the sh.t he has said lately one more time and evaluate it against your sense of christianity. you can not use the image of God or christianity as a weapon. budd is nuts. lunacy is not religion. >>>> Ah, you support Christian bashing, no surprise. . . . . >>> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > lunacy is not religion. I'm not defending Budd, or anyone else for that matter. We each define our faith as how it pertains to our lives and how it affects how we conduct our affairs with others. What I have noticed lately, and not only in this NG is that somehow we Christians are "fair game" to those who believe that religion is a foolish pursuit. A good example is Craig's sig line... something about facts vs. religion... Budd's faith is his alone, my faith is mine alone, your faith or lack of as the case may be is your own... we should not ostracize others for their strongly held beliefs. I guess one approach is to remain silent rather than goad each other with needless provocations. If you remember the movie Bambi, you probably remember the rabbit, Thumper. In the movie, Thumper related what his mother once told him... "If you can't say nuthin' good, then don't say nuthin' at all"..... we would all do well to heed Thumper's advice. Mike >>>>> Ah, you support Christian bashing, no surprise. . . . . >>>> [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > >Mike again mike, with all due respect, in that case no one would say anything at all. the truth is that dissent is as important as agreement, whether it be religion, politics, sports or anything else. all that aside, budd is the one you need to direct your comments to. he pushes this warped sense of religion and christianity on everyone and a reaction is bound to take place. not because of the religion but becuase of the warped part. to ask people to not dispute, to not disagree is just wrong. and the world is not filled with bambi's and thumpers. if it were, all discussion and all rift would be much easier. but that is a childs perspective. no matter how we envy it, it is not reality and it does not serve to resolve any issues. well said mike, my problem with the whole religious bickering and the reason I care not to read these threads that turn into this is, it does no one any good. lets remember the tolerance that Christ teaches of each other. here food for thought also. [Titus 3:9] But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. [2 Timothy 2:14] Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen. [2 Timothy 2:23] Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Now, I'm done. May the Lord be with you in your walk. Signature---------------------------- -Chris 05 CTD 06 Liberty CRD Real Trucks don't NEED spark plugs. > > I'm not defending Budd, or anyone else for that matter. We each define [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Mike >>> Ah, you support Christian bashing, no surprise. . . . . >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I am kind of curious about the degradation of threads recently. Seeing as you appear to direct this to me, I'll try to give you my take on it. Then perhaps you should speak to budd. He accuses everybody of christian bashing constantly. I don't see it. I see budd being slapped for some of his bs, he turns it to christian bashing, I really don't see it as christian bashing. > It seems that Christian bashing has become somewhat of a sport lately in > the group. I for one am an unashamed Christian, perhaps not as vocal as > Budd, but a Christian nonetheless. Christian bashing is anything anybody say's to budd. He has been accusing me of christian bashing I think because I found the cartoon mildly funny. > What useful purpose are we accomplishing when we bait those of faith? > Just because you are unfaithed, does not give you a license to criticize > those who are of faith. You have absolutley no idea what faith I am. Budd is a friggin idiot, because he claims to be a christian matter's not to me he is still a friggin' idiot. Hell Mike he's been baiting all his post's, a person is a bigot, or a liberal, or a hypocrite or whatever. He bait's for a reason, he want's attention, sometimes he get's it. Some of the time I find his foolishness a bit funny. If you want to label that as c-bashing have at it. >Conversely, we Christians should not be overzealous in our evangelism >towards the unfaithful. Google and take a look at our childs post's on other groups. >The cup is there for those who wish to partake. > > I would just recommend that we all conduct ourselves as gentlemen and > women regardless of our religious persuasion. You recomendation is noted. Roy > Mike And you deny the hateful comments you've made regarding my beliefs? Mike is right, but you and those like you that choose to bash me for my beliefs and, consequently, bash my beliefs in the process are too thick headed, too bigoted, and too intolerant to ever realize what you're doing. No, we don't know your religious beliefs, but as Jesus said, "By their fruits (That is what you demonstrate to the public with your actions, words and lifestyle), you will know them." and all that you say I've called you is, according to that Scripture, only what the "fruit" you, T-bone, theguy, Craig and others bear in this forum, and that is showing what you think of me as a Christian that lives as he believes he should. It sure is some rotten fruit you're bearing, Roy, and the trees that bear it will be cut down, according to the Bible, at the end of the Harvest. And that's not my word, that what the Word of God says about it. Take your argument up with Him, cause I'm not going to see your posts anymore. SignatureBudd Cochran John 3:16-17, Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 3:23, 6:23 "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other." (John Adams) >>>> Ah, you support Christian bashing, no surprise. . . . . >>> [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >> >> Mike SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > And you deny the hateful comments you've made regarding my beliefs? Budd, you don't get it do ya? I could care less what you believe in, what color you are, if you are gay, how much money you have, what you eat for supper. It does not change the fact that I think you are a friggin idiot!! I think you are a pia about your beliefs, I disagree with the way you present them. so if that's bashing so be it. I really don't care and that's what you can't grasp, I don't give a damn how you or anybody else people feel's about it. > Mike is right, but you and those like you that choose to bash me for my > beliefs and, consequently, bash my beliefs in the process are too thick > headed, too bigoted, and too intolerant to ever realize what you're doing. No, because a person disagrees and say's so is not c-bashing. > No, we don't know your religious beliefs, but as Jesus said, "By their > fruits (That is what you demonstrate to the public with your actions, > words and lifestyle), you will know them." I'm real comfortable with that. >and all that you say I've called you is, according to that Scripture, only >what the "fruit" you, T-bone, theguy, Craig and others bear in this forum, >and that is showing what you think of me as a Christian that lives as he >believes he should. No what is thought of you as a person and as a person your actions. > It sure is some rotten fruit you're bearing, Roy, and the trees that bear > it will be cut down, according to the Bible, at the end of the Harvest. We all have to go sometime, and when I go I'll go knowing I've led a real full and pretty much happy life on my own terms. > And that's not my word, that what the Word of God says about it. Take your > argument up with Him, cause I'm not going to see your posts anymore. Yes you will. Because you can't help yourself. >>>>> Ah, you support Christian bashing, no surprise. . . . . >>>> [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >>> >>> Mike > And you deny the hateful comments you've made regarding my beliefs? Do you deny the hateful unwanted comments you've made to almost everyone here? Do you deny judging people for their beliefs that differ from your own? > I am kind of curious about the degradation of threads recently. It seems > that Christian bashing has become somewhat of a sport lately in the group. Not at all, Mike. We're reacting. We have tried to be civil, asking Budd to "calm down" all the way up to "shut the f.ck up". Now, it is just plain funny to watch him go in circles. I, for one, wish we talked about trucks more. In fact, I'd be happy to the point of a little pink thing popping out if we didn't discuss religion or politics ... EVER again. > I for one am an unashamed Christian, perhaps not as vocal as Budd, but a > Christian nonetheless. Happy for you and wish you the very best. And I will continue to do so ... until you try to cram it down my throat. Then I'm going to give you dose of your own medicine ... just like Budd is getting. It's not a threat, it's a reaction. > What useful purpose are we accomplishing when we bait those of faith? Might I suggest that you take a moment and search the archives? You'll find numerous un-christian accusations by Budd. He can't act like a Nazi and expect people to just take it. I, at one point, had put him in my killfile. Which doesn't work so well. Granted, I don't get his posts, but I get all the posts that people are responding to. > Just > because you are unfaithed, does not give you a license to criticize those > who are of faith. Conversely, we Christians should not be overzealous in > our evangelism towards the unfaithful. The cup is there for those who wish > to partake. Precisely. Your view is appreciated. Really. > I would just recommend that we all conduct ourselves as gentlemen and women > regardless of our religious persuasion. Sounds good Mike. We have all tried to put up with Budd and now he is getting what he deserves. When he stops ... everyone else will too. Craig C. Suddenly, without warning, Mike Simmons exclaimed (31-Oct-06 10:39 AM): > I am kind of curious about the degradation of threads recently. It seems > that Christian bashing has become somewhat of a sport lately in the group. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Mike I'm still trying to figure out how Bud got "Christian bashing" out of that post. But I'm with you in this. I think insulting one's religion, belief system, or lack thereof is pointless, since I doubt very many people have switched religions due to some argument - or even reasoned conversation - they had on Usenet. Or anywhere else, for that matter :) jmc > Suddenly, without warning, Mike Simmons exclaimed (31-Oct-06 10:39 AM): >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I'm still trying to figure out how Bud got "Christian bashing" out of that > post. Me too! > But I'm with you in this. I think insulting one's religion, belief > system, or lack thereof is pointless, since I doubt very many people have > switched religions due to some argument - or even reasoned conversation - > they had on Usenet. Or anywhere else, for that matter :) Somebody, please point out where a person's belief's were insulted. > jmc >> Suddenly, without warning, Mike Simmons exclaimed (31-Oct-06 10:39 AM): >>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >Somebody, please point out where a person's belief's were insulted. that really is the point. but it gets lost in the constant whining from budd. you can't say anything about budd, you can not even take issue with a single word that he writes, that he doesn't cry religious intolerance. the only one to ever bring religion into the discussion is budd. in that perspective, mike may have a point. like we have all said, mike's best point in what he wrote is for budd to leave religion out of his posts. like roy, and many others, i have said and will say again, i don't care what religion or sex or color or lifestyle anyone choses or is. i judge people on their quality, nothing else. it is on that that this ng has judged budd, and nothing else. i am surprised that mike, who i deem to be a pretty good guy, got caught up in budd's rhetoric, which is just a hair short of complete insanity. >> jmc >>> Suddenly, without warning, Mike Simmons exclaimed (31-Oct-06 10:39 AM): >>>> [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > got caught up in budd's rhetoric, which is just a hair short of > complete insanity. I just spent some time going over some threads of the past month or so. I'd invite anybody to take a look at them and point out a instance of c- bashing. I can certainly point out where budd has accused people of bigotry, censeorship, c-bashing, you name he accuses's people of it. What I find odd is that nobody voices any complaint about the degredation of the post's then. Take a look at the thread entitled "He's baaaaack!" of 9/8/06. >>> jmc Let me put it in terms even you can understand: You bash me for my beliefs or for living my beliefs, or as you call it "have some fun"...fun for you, but insulting to me. My beliefs are based on the first century Christian church teachings as found in the KJV of the Bible. For that you refer to me as insane, over the edge, lost it and probably, to yourselves anyway, names that are profanity based. All bigoted remarks. All because I chose to begin living my life as a Fundamental Christian. Since you bash me and my beliefs, you are also bashing Christianity for that is why you bash me. Bash me and you bash my beliefs which are Christian. And, that bashing demonstrates your bigotry toward any Christian that dares to live as he understands the Bible to say he should live. Or have you forgotten all the "Little Moron" jokes, the "Queer" jokes, the "Four-eyes" jokes, ( insert ethnic joke style you preferred) that you told as a kid . . .everyone a bigoted remark and jest based on another person's difference from what you consider "normal". Yes, I told them too, as a kid, but I've tried to rise above that, you haven't. You do enjoy the perverted pleasure of dragging me into defending my beliefs by your bashing of them. You're the one that lost it...any sense of social responsibility, that is As for my bringing in religious content, show me where that is forbidden by the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, or the rules of an UNMODERATED newsgroup. I've brought it in to the discussion only when you clowns start bashing me for my beliefs, so be a man for a change and take the blame for your actions. " I'd rather live my life assuming there is a God, only to die and find out there isn't one, than to live my whole life like there isn't a God, only to find out there is." ( Peter Barry) SignatureBudd Cochran John 3:16-17, Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 3:23, 6:23 "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other." (John Adams) >>> Suddenly, without warning, Mike Simmons exclaimed (31-Oct-06 10:39 AM): >>>> [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > >>> jmc SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>> Suddenly, without warning, Mike Simmons exclaimed (31-Oct-06 10:39 AM): >>>> [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > got caught up in budd's rhetoric, which is just a hair short of > complete insanity. You missed the crux of my post entirely. I was not defending Budd... he's a big guy and can defend himself. Nor did I get caught up in his rhetoric. I merely made an observation that it seemed that some in the NG were using Christian bashing as a form of sport. I merely asked that as a group we consider others beliefs and feelings before we make this a routine practice. That's all I'm gonna say about that.... now, let get on to more interesting stuff like torque wrenches or K$N filters or sumpin'... Mike >>> jmc >>>> Suddenly, without warning, Mike Simmons exclaimed (31-Oct-06 10:39 AM): >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > now, let get on to more interesting stuff like torque wrenches or K$N > filters or sumpin'... Wait a minute You want to move on to interesting stuff, you say? How about we figure out how many amps, watts and whatever else it would take to create a heated seat large enough for my wide ride rabbit pal. Probably need a Cummins just to power the genset for it. R > Mike > >>>> jmc >>>>> Suddenly, without warning, Mike Simmons exclaimed (31-Oct-06 10:39 >>>>> AM): [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > to create a heated seat large enough for my wide ride rabbit pal. Probably > need a Cummins just to power the genset for it. Hmmm... don't think even a Cummins could handle it.... we may want to consider nuclear.... ;^) Mike > R >> Mike >> >>>>> jmc >>>>>> Suddenly, without warning, Mike Simmons exclaimed (31-Oct-06 10:39 >>>>>> AM): [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > Hmmm... don't think even a Cummins could handle it.... we may want to > consider nuclear.... Hell, I've got the warmest a.s in the group!! Just give me a crave case of White Castles and I'll warm up the whole cab.... I may have something better... Last week a group of guys got together and ground up horseradish. Everybody has their own little patch, digs up a bunch, gets together to grind it and can it. Not to mention telling a few bullshit stories along the way. This stuff will bring tears to your eyes, open up clogged nasel passeges and clean out your innerds if you give it an hour or so. Good Stuff!! Denny >>>>>>> Suddenly, without warning, Mike Simmons exclaimed (31-Oct-06 10:39 >>>>>>> AM): [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > > Denny By God!! I think you might be on to something! If we slathered horseradish on Whitey's and ate 'em we could probably reduce our dependence on foreign natural gas overnight! ...back to the lab... Mike > By God!! I think you might be on to something! If we slathered > horseradish on Whitey's and ate 'em we could probably reduce our [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Mike Don't get near any sparks............... Denny >>>>>>> Suddenly, without warning, Mike Simmons exclaimed (31-Oct-06 10:39 >>>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> > Hell, I've got the warmest a.s in the group!! I'm sure you mean the widest a.s in the group!!<G> > Just give me a crave case of White Castles and I'll warm up the whole > cab.... Now I know where we will be going for dinner. Roy > Denny >>>>>>>> Suddenly, without warning, Mike Simmons exclaimed (31-Oct-06 10:39 >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> Just give me a crave case of White Castles and I'll warm up the whole >> cab.... so, im curious. there are no white castles out here in the west, but we got a lot of good burger places. are white castles really as good as ive heard? >Now I know where we will be going for dinner. > >Roy > >> Denny >>>>>>>>> Suddenly, without warning, Mike Simmons exclaimed (31-Oct-06 10:39 >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > we got a lot of good burger places. are white castles really as good > as ive heard? ...better... Mike >>Now I know where we will be going for dinner. >> >>Roy >> >>> Denny >>>>>>>>>> Suddenly, without warning, Mike Simmons exclaimed (31-Oct-06 >>>>>>>>>> 10:39 [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > ...better... Damn! It would appear Mike has gone over the edge! <VBG> Roy > Mike > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>> >>>> Denny I thought they declared them to be unfit to feed to children in Ohio, Indiana, and Kentucky, didn't they? ;^D SignatureBudd Cochran John 3:16-17, Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 3:23, 6:23 "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other." (John Adams) >>>>>>>>>> Suddenly, without warning, Mike Simmons exclaimed (31-Oct-06 >>>>>>>>>> 10:39 [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >>> >>>> Denny SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> so, im curious. there are no white castles out here in the west, but >> we got a lot of good burger places. are white castles really as good [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Mike I haven't eaten any since college. Used to buy them by the bag @ 25 cents each back then. Called them belly burners but they were good. beekeep >>>>>>>>> Suddenly, without warning, Mike Simmons exclaimed (31-Oct-06 10:39 >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > we got a lot of good burger places. are white castles really as good > as ive heard? No!! They have to be the greasest damn things going. When your drunk on your a.s i suppose you can get a few down I think the epa closed most of them down around here.<G> Now the rabbit swears by them. Calls them his diet food cause they go right through ya. Roy >>Now I know where we will be going for dinner. >> >>Roy >> >>> Denny >>>>>>>>> Suddenly, without warning, Mike Simmons exclaimed (31-Oct-06 10:39 >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > we got a lot of good burger places. are white castles really as good > as ive heard? Let's just say they are an "acquired" taste.. <G> The size of a dinner roll with a wedge of meat (?) cooked in onion bits and a limp pickle slice. Slap on a piece of cheese and a bit on bacon and you'll be guarenteed to not be constipated for at least a week. They are also known as "sliders". Denny >>>>>>>>>> Suddenly, without warning, Mike Simmons exclaimed (31-Oct-06 10:39 >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >Denny wow. maybe i'll stick with burgerville. >>>>>>>>>>> Suddenly, without warning, Mike Simmons exclaimed (31-Oct-06 >>>>>>>>>>> 10:39 [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > wow. maybe i'll stick with burgerville. Pal, you want no part of WC! Roy >>>>>>>>>>>> Suddenly, without warning, Mike Simmons exclaimed (31-Oct-06 >>>>>>>>>>>> 10:39 [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > >Roy hmmm. see, being a west coaster, i always heard that wc was the top dog in burgers (not sure how big a compliment that is????). interesting. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Suddenly, without warning, Mike Simmons exclaimed (31-Oct-06 >>>>>>>>>>>>> 10:39 [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > dog in burgers (not sure how big a compliment that is????). > interesting. Just ask yourself a little question......... Would me and ole Mike ever lead you astray?????? Denny >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suddenly, without warning, Mike Simmons exclaimed (31-Oct-06 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10:39 [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > >Denny no way. i mean if i can't trust you guys, who can i trust? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suddenly, without warning, Mike Simmons exclaimed (31-Oct-06 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10:39 [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > no way. i mean if i can't trust you guys, who can i trust? Good question. If you was to venture over to the east coast, ole Roy knows where all the good restarauts are. The ole boy eats enough to keep them all in business.. <G> Denny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suddenly, without warning, Mike Simmons exclaimed (31-Oct-06 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10:39 [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > no way. i mean if i can't trust you guys, who can i trust? Hey!! What the hell ya been drinking??? You buying into these two??? Your going from lobster to haz mat! <BFG> R >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suddenly, without warning, Mike Simmons exclaimed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (31-Oct-06 [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > going from lobster to haz mat! > <BFG> theguy has finially seen the light. Ole Mike can keep a case nice-n-warm on his heated seat while he delivers them. I can see a side job developing right now. Denny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suddenly, without warning, Mike Simmons exclaimed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (31-Oct-06 [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > >Denny you guys are killing me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suddenly, without warning, Mike Simmons exclaimed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (31-Oct-06 [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > > you guys are killing me. You eat those friggin' things and you'll wish they had >> Hey!! What the hell ya been drinking??? You buying into these two??? Your >> going from lobster to haz mat! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Denny Ya going to let Mike use "the machine" for the trip? Roy >>> Hey!! What the hell ya been drinking??? You buying into these two??? >>> Your going from lobster to haz mat! [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Roy He'll have to pick it up from ole Red when he gets out that way. That is if Mac didn't take it across the border. I heard that Mac is running on a genset for the time being. Hope it's a biggun if he's using the 'maching' on it Denny >>>> Hey!! What the hell ya been drinking??? You buying into these two??? >>>> Your going from lobster to haz mat! [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > genset for the time being. Hope it's a biggun if he's using the 'maching' > on it Yup, Red sent Mac's note along. Seems like it may be taking longer than expected for him to get it all up and running. rpoy > Denny >>>>>>>>>>>> Suddenly, without warning, Mike Simmons exclaimed (31-Oct-06 >>>>>>>>>>>> 10:39 [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Roy Get used to the thought, you got half a craze case waiting for ya when you get here.... Denny > wow. maybe i'll stick with burgerville. Ya gotta try them once. You're just not a man if ya don't...... <VBG> Denny >> wow. maybe i'll stick with burgerville. > >Ya gotta try them once. You're just not a man if ya don't...... <VBG> > >Denny you guys are making it sound so appetizing. now on the other hand, i was watchin the food network the other night and they had this guy on that made mortenson lobster stew. they fed ex overnight it to you and the guys that tried it raved about it. im not a big lobster fan but i can't get it out of my head. im actually thinkin of ordering it! i feel like im falling for an infomercial, but i think i gotta try it. >>> wow. maybe i'll stick with burgerville. >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > thinkin of ordering it! i feel like im falling for an infomercial, > but i think i gotta try it. Hell, send me your addy and I'll fed-ex you a case of sliders.... Only thing in return is ya have to post here about how good they really are.. Denny >>>> wow. maybe i'll stick with burgerville. >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Hell, send me your addy and I'll fed-ex you a case of sliders.... Only > thing in return is ya have to post here about how good they really are.. I doubt the homeland security will let ya ship those suckers. Roy > Denny >>>>> wow. maybe i'll stick with burgerville. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> > I doubt the homeland security will let ya ship those suckers. S-L-I-D-E-R-S..... not suckers..... Hey, I just saw the post in the ford group about the abomidable snoman.... roflmfao Whatever happened to your old buddy?? Denny >>>>>> wow. maybe i'll stick with burgerville. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Hey, I just saw the post in the ford group about the abomidable snoman.... > roflmfao Whatever happened to your old buddy?? That was a thing of beauty wasn't it. As long as he isn't here I don't care where he goes.. If he returns I think the same action will send him away. Hey I forgot he's your neighbor!! Roy > Denny >>>>>>> wow. maybe i'll stick with burgerville. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > away. > Hey I forgot he's your neighbor!! And you're gonna go right past him on your way north. Be sure to stop and say hi for me Denny >>>>>>>> wow. maybe i'll stick with burgerville. >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > And you're gonna go right past him on your way north. Be sure to stop and > say hi for me I'll probably have to pick ya up there! <G> Roy > Denny >>>>> wow. maybe i'll stick with burgerville. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> >I doubt the homeland security will let ya ship those suckers. now.............that is funny! >Roy >> Denny >>>> wow. maybe i'll stick with burgerville. >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Denny sorry denny, but you pretty much "let the cat out of the bag" as to how good those burgers are. >>>>> wow. maybe i'll stick with burgerville. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > sorry denny, but you pretty much "let the cat out of the bag" as to > how good those burgers are. Your loss. More for me and Mike to savor.. Denny >>>>> wow. maybe i'll stick with burgerville. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > sorry denny, but you pretty much "let the cat out of the bag" as to > how good those burgers are. I think you just hit on what they are made from!<G> >>>>>> wow. maybe i'll stick with burgerville. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > I think you just hit on what they are made from!<G> No-no, Thats chinese food. Denny >>> wow. maybe i'll stick with burgerville. >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > thinkin of ordering it! i feel like im falling for an infomercial, > but i think i gotta try it. I won't tell ya what lobster eat. Use to get them right out of the trap and cook'em right on the boat, with a little butter man that is the way to go. Roy >>>> wow. maybe i'll stick with burgerville. >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Roy out here, the only way to get them is frozen. i think that is why i am not a big lobster guy. everyone i spoke to about my "infomercial" says that fresh they are really good. >>>>> wow. maybe i'll stick with burgerville. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > am not a big lobster guy. everyone i spoke to about my "infomercial" > says that fresh they are really good. They are really good. Especially in a little bun with some cooked onions............ Denny >>>>>> wow. maybe i'll stick with burgerville. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > They are really good. Especially in a little bun with some cooked > onions............ Lobster and onions!! WTF!!!!! > Denny >>>>>>> wow. maybe i'll stick with burgerville. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >> > Lobster and onions!! WTF!!!!! Hey give it a try, might even be better that liver-n-onions. But I doubt it... I'm calling it a night...later Denny >>>>> wow. maybe i'll stick with burgerville. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > am not a big lobster guy. everyone i spoke to about my "infomercial" > says that fresh they are really good. They are, some will ship them fresh overnight. Try www.thefreshlobstercompany.com 1-508-451-2487 >>>>> wow. maybe i'll stick with burgerville. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > am not a big lobster guy. everyone i spoke to about my "infomercial" > says that fresh they are really good. guy, if this helps you any, I am from the east coast, have had wc burgers and would rather drink unfiltered water out of the tap from a Turkish restaurant! >>>>>> wow. maybe i'll stick with burgerville. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >and would rather drink unfiltered water out of the tap from a Turkish >restaurant! yeah, that pretty much clears that up. |
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