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Hard start cold, any thoughts?

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Dave, I can't do that - 15 Nov 2006 17:03 GMT
Hi people,

1995 1500 auto 2WD 5.9

This has recently been difficult to start when cold but then starts
fine when the engine is warmed up. When cold, it just clicks a few
times and sometimes it doesn't even click. After a few tries it has so
far started but I want to fix it before it one day decides not to start
at all.

I have had the battery checked and it rated at 883 CCA which is in
excess of the rated 875.

I have installed new terminals on the battery leads after cleaning all
wires etc. I have checked the grounding connections and every thing is
squeaky clean and tight.

I am leaning towards the starter solenoid as the starter cranks over
fine once it hooks up.

Anyone have any helpful thoughts on the problem??

Thanks in advance.

Dave
TBone - 15 Nov 2006 19:13 GMT
You will need someone to help you perform these tests.  First put a volt
meter across the batteries terminals (directly on the battery, not the
clamps) on the battery and have someone turn the key to start.  If the
battery voltage drops significantly (like under 8 volts) you either have a
bad battery or a short in the starter.  If you claim of having the battery
checked means you had it load tested with the result being 883 CCA, then I
would replace the starter.  If the battery voltage holds, leave the one lead
on the battery positive and move the ground lead of the meter to the
alternator case, make sure you have a good connection (showing battery
voltage) and have someone turn the key again.  If the meter now falls to
near zero, you have a bad ground, possibly where it connects to the engine
(lug near the alternator) or a bad wire itself.  If the voltage still holds,
it is time to get under the truck.  As you probably know, the starter has
two wires going to it,  The smaller one powers the solenoid and the larger
one powers the starter.  Put your meters positive lead on the smaller wire
and the ground to the starter or some other piece of clean metal and have
someone turn the key.  You should get close to battery voltage here when the
key is moved to start and if not you have a problem on the low current side.
If you get battery voltage here, move the positive lead to the large
connection and hit the key again.  Battery voltage should always be here and
if it significantly drops when the key is turned, it indicates either a bad
connection or corroded wire from the battery to this connection.  If the
voltage does not change when the key is turned, this indicates a problem
with the starter.  On the bottom of the starter there is a connection from
the solenoid to the starter windings and it has a rubber cover over it.
Connect your meter to this lead (under the cover) and have someone turn the
key again.  If no voltage or a very low voltage appears, this indicates a
bad solenoid and if full battery voltage appears, you have a bad starter.
All of these tests assume that the starter is not turning during the tests.
If the starter starts working, these tests will be meaningless and you will
need to wait until it stops working again to continue where you left off.
Good luck on your project.

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Dave, I can't do that - 15 Nov 2006 23:45 GMT
Hi TBone,

Thanks for the detailed description. I am a little ahead on part of it
as this morning I did a load test on the battery with the positive and
negative on the battery, then with the negative on the end of the
negative cable near the alternator and finally with the negative on a
bolt on the air conditioner compressor. All three times it showed good
under test load.

I have parked the truck on the concrete apron this evening so will see
what's what in the morning. As you point out it is a bummer to test as
it usually starts after about the third try. Since it has so far,
always started OK when hot I am not too worried.

I checked the local Dodge stealer this morning and they quoted $85 for
one hour and $345 for the starter. Not going to happen here. <grin>

It's weird that it only does it cold though. I have zero problem with
it other than first time in the morning. Even after it has been sitting
for 3 or 4 hours during the day, it still starts fine.

This may just be coincidental, but this morning when I got to the third
try, I turned the key to on, but did not go straight to start. I waited
about 10 seconds to see if the Check Engine light went out and when it
did, I turned the key to start and it fired up.

Not sure if that means anything or not.

We shall see what tomorrow brings.

Thanks again for the help, very much appreciated.

Dave
> You will need someone to help you perform these tests.  First put a volt
Stormin Mormon - 19 Nov 2006 01:27 GMT
Well, with the big 8 cylinders, it's a bit of a job to change the
starter. But, you're running out of choices.

Starters are case grounded. So, the surface between the starter and
the block needs to be clean.

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Hi people,

1995 1500 auto 2WD 5.9

This has recently been difficult to start when cold but then starts
fine when the engine is warmed up. When cold, it just clicks a few
times and sometimes it doesn't even click. After a few tries it has so
far started but I want to fix it before it one day decides not to
start
at all.

I have had the battery checked and it rated at 883 CCA which is in
excess of the rated 875.

I have installed new terminals on the battery leads after cleaning all
wires etc. I have checked the grounding connections and every thing is
squeaky clean and tight.

I am leaning towards the starter solenoid as the starter cranks over
fine once it hooks up.

Anyone have any helpful thoughts on the problem??

Thanks in advance.

Dave
Tom Lawrence - 19 Nov 2006 02:25 GMT
> Well, with the big 8 cylinders, it's a bit of a job to change the
> starter. But, you're running out of choices.

Changed one on a '98 1500 one time in a parking lot, with nothing but a
cheap socket set.  I think it took 10 minutes.

Really, it's a pretty simple job.
Stormin Mormon - 19 Nov 2006 12:23 GMT
I loved the slant six with the starter on top. That was neat. But,
sounds like you've got some good skill.

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Christopher A. Young
 You can't shout down a troll.
 You have to starve them.
.

> Well, with the big 8 cylinders, it's a bit of a job to change the
> starter. But, you're running out of choices.

Changed one on a '98 1500 one time in a parking lot, with nothing but
a
cheap socket set.  I think it took 10 minutes.

Really, it's a pretty simple job.
Dave, I can't do that - 02 Dec 2006 00:35 GMT
Hi Tom,

> Changed one on a '98 1500 one time in a parking lot, with nothing but a
> cheap socket set.  I think it took 10 minutes.

Hafta agree Tom, not a big job but it has been averted. Turned out to
be the battery. I had a spare battery and stuffed it in for a few days.
No starting problems. Got a pro-rated replacement for around 20-bucks
and it is again singing like a bird.

Thanks to all who helped with suggestions.

Dave
 
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