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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / November 2006

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O2 sensor error..but which one?

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jf3489@vermontel.net - 28 Nov 2006 10:37 GMT
I have a 1996 Dodge Dakota SLT 4X4, V-8 auto. I recently had my check
engine light diagnosed and was told I have a bad O2 sensor. The
mechanic told me I should replace both because his reader will not tell
him which sensor is bad. The symptom is that sometimes the truck starts
real hard and doesn't want to stay running. If I stay in the gas for a
minute, it usually straightens out. Does anyone out there know of a way
to determine which sensor is bad? If it means anything the check engine
light will be on for a few days and off for a few days. The problem
seems to be more apparent when the light is off.
Greatly appreciated.
ninebal310@aol.com - 28 Nov 2006 12:22 GMT
> I have a 1996 Dodge Dakota SLT 4X4, V-8 auto. I recently had my check
> engine light diagnosed and was told I have a bad O2 sensor. The
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> seems to be more apparent when the light is off.
> Greatly appreciated.

Not knowing the exact system you have I'll try.

You may have up to 3 - O2 sensors on your exhaust. The book on my 01
4.7 showed 3, but I only had 2. Anyway, since they are easily replaced
I would change the one that is just foward of the Cat converter. If I
am wrong, move it to the other side.

Hank
Chris Thompson - 28 Nov 2006 12:30 GMT
>I have a 1996 Dodge Dakota SLT 4X4, V-8 auto. I recently had my check
> engine light diagnosed and was told I have a bad O2 sensor. The
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> seems to be more apparent when the light is off.
> Greatly appreciated.

go by auto zone get them to read the codes. come back and post code numbers
here. if its OBDII like I'm thinking it should be on a 96 the code should be
P followed by a 4 digit number. like P0301. maybe your mechanic has already
told you this code number, the code number should tell witch sensor is
causing the fault.

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Tom Lawrence - 28 Nov 2006 13:49 GMT
> him which sensor is bad. The symptom is that sometimes the truck starts
> real hard and doesn't want to stay running. If I stay in the gas for a
> minute, it usually straightens out.

That has nothing to do with the O2 sensors.  The O2 sensors aren't used on
initial startup.  The PCM is operating in something called 'open-loop'
mode - fuel amounts are determined by a set of pre-determined fuel maps in
the PCM.  It's only when the engine warms up that the PCM enters
'closed-loop' mode, and modulates fueling based on O2 sensor feedback.

Your symptom of having to stay on the gas to keep the engine running during
start-up is indicative of a problem with the IAC (idle air control) motor,
which could be because of a bad IAC itself, or could be the cause of a bad
battery (not supplying enough voltage to the PCM, causing all sorts of
problems due to invalid sensor readings).

First, have the battery load-tested, and replace it if it shows any signs of
not holding a full charge.  If that checks out, remove the IAC from the
throttle body, give it good cleaning with TB or carb cleaner, re-connect it
to the electrical connector while still out of the TB, and turn on the
ignition.  The IAC pintle should cycle in and out freely and smoothly.  If
it doesn't, replace the sensor.
jf3489@vermontel.net - 28 Nov 2006 17:49 GMT
> > him which sensor is bad. The symptom is that sometimes the truck starts
> > real hard and doesn't want to stay running. If I stay in the gas for a
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> ignition.  The IAC pintle should cycle in and out freely and smoothly.  If
> it doesn't, replace the sensor.

That is interesting because sometimes it turns over real slow, and it
is always when this problem is happening.
Bryan - 29 Nov 2006 04:43 GMT
jf3489 wrote:

> > > him which sensor is bad. The symptom is that sometimes the truck starts
> > > real hard and doesn't want to stay running. If I stay in the gas for a
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> That is interesting because sometimes it turns over real slow, and it
> is always when this problem is happening.

THAT (couple with the other problem) sounds like either a sick battery or
cruddy battery terminals.  As Tom alluded, both are first (and easiest) to
check & correct.
Bryan

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