>> to sludge. Would it mess up the fluid dynamics of the pump if that opening
>> were enlarged?
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>Craig C.
> I generally lurk and do not post in the Dodge group but,
> since you brought up the Ford 351 engine with which I have
> at least a passing interest and knowledge of, I will take a
> shot at getting flamed here.
Are you kidding? I'm just happy we're not talking about God for a
change.
> Your problem was not the HV pump. It was a bad rear seal
> which was probably a result of excessive wear of the rear
> main which, in turn, was probably a result of the inadequate
> oiling of the rear main in the 335 series Ford engines. I
> have seen this a number of times during overhaul.
First, this was 20 years ago, so I will try with the best of my ability
to remember all of the facts. I put the high volume pump on when I
rebuilt the engine. I replaced all of the seals, bearings, etc. So,
I'm reasonably certain that the real seal was not bad.
I put the high volume pump in not because I had any solid logical
reason. Since I put in a slightly above factory spec cam and an Holly
4 barrel carb and edelbrock intake to replace the factory 2 barrel carb
and intake. I figured ... hey, I'm rebuilding this thing with spicier
parts, why not a high volume pump? So, that's what I did.
Result was as I originally stated, oil blowing out of the rear seal. I
talked to some mechanics that were friends of the family (Wayne
Calvert, builds racing engines in Denton, TX and his brother that has a
shop next to his that does shade tree work). It was suggested that I
use, from what I recall, some type of rope style seal to prevent it. I
never go that far ... I wrecked it and never worked on it again.
Craig C.
Roy - 14 Dec 2006 17:25 GMT
>> I generally lurk and do not post in the Dodge group but,
>> since you brought up the Ford 351 engine with which I have
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> Are you kidding? I'm just happy we're not talking about God for a
> change.
Easy........
>> Your problem was not the HV pump. It was a bad rear seal
>> which was probably a result of excessive wear of the rear
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> Craig C.
lugnut - 14 Dec 2006 21:25 GMT
>> I generally lurk and do not post in the Dodge group but,
>> since you brought up the Ford 351 engine with which I have
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>Craig C.
Didn't mean to step on any toes but, I have seen to many of
them built with the HV pump to help the oil system with
reasonable success. The original rope type seal was a POS
and was eventually replaced by a 2 piece metal seal with a
lip to better control the oil. This is probably what was
mentioned to you as a fix way back then. Another trick as
another poster indicated and, is frequently used to help the
rear main in them is to tee off the oil pressure sending
unit port beside the filter and install a feed hose to the
oil pressure port on the top rear of the block. The port
from here goes straight to the #5 main. That way the engine
gets oil from both ends. The HV - not HP - pump can
greatly reduce the pressurization time this way and help
prevent oil starvation of the rear main and cam bearings
which was/is a problem on the 335 series engines. And
again, it is not pressure you are looking for - it is
greater volume to more quickly fill the system. Another
part of the equation for a street engine is to use a 10W30
oil here in the SE which is plenty adequate instead of the
factory recommended 10W40 of the 70's. In cold climates, an
even lighter oil would be better. Current 10w30 oil is far
superior to any 1970's 10w40 oil for lubrication and will
flow much more quickly which is at least as important as the
pressure. We tried the increased pressure and a few other
items from the school of hard knocks text book on the dirt
track cars in the 70's and scrapped a few engine before we
started to sort out the 335 series oiling problems. If you
boost the pressure, you may be shooting yourself in the
foot.
Regards
Lugnut
Craig C. - 14 Dec 2006 21:57 GMT
> Didn't mean to step on any toes but,
You didn't ... not mine anyway.
> reasonable success. The original rope type seal was a POS
> and was eventually replaced by a 2 piece metal seal with a
> lip to better control the oil.
Again ... this was a very long time ago, but the rope sel was the
recommendation to fix the problem. If I remember correctly the
original seal was rubber.
It only blew oil out the rear seal when I started the car. Once it got
o to idle, no problems.
> part of the equation for a street engine is to use a 10W30
I remember that I did run 10W30 to try and stop the blow out issue. No
luck.
No matter now ... that car and engine have been recycled and pieces of
it are spread out in newer cars. :-)
Craig C.
lugnut - 15 Dec 2006 03:17 GMT
>> Didn't mean to step on any toes but,
>
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>Craig C.
One of these days, I will have the time and finances to
complete restoring my 'Torino again. I have the powertrain
built. Now, it is the slow hard work of body and chassis.
A few hundred years from now, none of this will mean
anything to either of us.
You have a Merry Christmas
Lugnut