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44,000 DEATHS On Our Highways:  And Nobody Cares!

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perryneheum@hotmail.com - 27 Dec 2006 21:54 GMT
Drugs

Booze

Speed

Teens

Jerks

Macho Men

Bikers

Other Fools

These substances and people types -- in various combinations -- kill
44,000 of U.S. citizens a year.  It's been like this for decades.  But
nothing substantive is ever done to reduce this carnage.  Because
nobody cares.

Are YOU part of the problem?

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"A Deadly Story We Keep Missing"

By Peter J. Woolley
The Washington Post
Wednesday, December 27, 2006; A19

The non-story of 2006 was also the non-story of 2005. It is a non-story
every year going back decades. Yet the number of people who die in car
crashes in the United States is staggering, even if it is absent from
the agenda of most public officials and largely ignored by the public.

When all is said and done and the ball begins to drop on New Year's
Eve, 44,000 people, give or take several hundred, will have died in
auto accidents this year. To put that number in perspective, consider
that:

o  At the 2006 casualty rate of 800 soldiers per year, the United
States would have to be in Iraq for more than 50 years to equal just
one year of automobile deaths back home.

o  In any five-year period, the total number of traffic deaths in the
United States equals or exceeds the number of people who died in the
horrific South Asian tsunami in December 2004. U.S. traffic deaths
amount to the equivalent of two tsunamis every 10 years.

o  According to the National Safety Council, your chance of dying in an
automobile crash is one in 84 over your lifetime. But your chances of
winning the Mega Millions lottery are just one in 175 million.

o  If you laid out side by side 8-by-10 photos of all those killed in
crashes this year, the pictures would stretch more than five miles.

o  If you made a yearbook containing the photos of those killed this
year, putting 12 photos on each page, it would have 3,500 pages. If you
wanted to limit your traffic-death yearbook to a manageable 400 pages,
you'd either have to squeeze more than 100 photos onto each page or
issue an eight-volume set.

Can you hear me now? Automobile deaths are the leading cause of death
for children, for teenagers and in fact for all people from age 3 to
33. Yet this annual tragedy is not a cause celebre.

Opinion leaders largely ignore the ubiquitous massacre. No marches,
walkathons, commemorative stamps or fundraising drives are organized.
It is not brought up in the State of the Union address. It is rarely
the subject of public affairs shows. Statistics aren't updated daily in
major newspapers or broadcasts.

Gruesome crashes are reported just one at a time, each as if it might
never happen again. Little attention is paid to the aftermath: safety
measures taken or not taken, the workings or non-workings of the
justice system. These avoidable deaths, as well as more than 2 million
nonfatal dismemberments, disfigurements and other injuries that go
along with them, have become part of the fabric of everyday life in the
United States.

Elected officeholders naturally take the path of least resistance. They
are well aware that significantly reducing deaths on the roads requires
radical solutions in the form of regulation, investment and
enforcement. Roads need to be made safer, for example, by extending
guardrails and medians to every mile of busy highways. Speeding and
aggressive driving need to be much more rigorously controlled. Trucks
need to be separated from automobiles wherever possible. And cars need
to be built slower and stronger.

But every solution is readily opposed by someone: manufacturers,
industrial unions, truckers, consumers, taxpayers -- though all are
potential victims themselves. The public is not to blame. It is hemmed
in on every side by mind-numbing advertising and shouted stories of the
moment. Apparently no medium is willing to bludgeon people -- as they
need to be -- with statistics and trends on the dangers facing them
every time they set out in their automobiles.

Only if there is a public outcry will this situation get the attention
due it. Only when people fully realize the absurd and avoidable costs
of the dangers that stalk them on the road -- and then demand
governmental action in the form of forceful intervention and strict
regulation -- will this become the story of the year, as it should be.

The writer is a professor of political science at Fairleigh Dickinson
University and executive director of PublicMind, a public opinion
research group there.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/26/AR2006122600775.html

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George - 27 Dec 2006 22:14 GMT
<snip>

> These substances and people types -- in various combinations -- kill
> 44,000 of U.S. citizens a year.  It's been like this for decades.  But
> nothing substantive is ever done to reduce this carnage.  Because
> nobody cares.

If nobody cared, the M.A.D. organization wouldn't exist.  If nobody cared,
the EMT and highway patrol professions wouldn't exist, and you'd simply be
left on the side of the road as road kill.

George

The great tragedy of science -- the
slaying of a beautiful hypothesis
by an ugly fact.  - Thomas Huxley
Stormin Mormon - 27 Dec 2006 22:39 GMT
But, he can't help you unless you call your legislator and demand
immediate and forceful regulation!

Liberals make me sick.

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> <snip>
>
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> slaying of a beautiful hypothesis
> by an ugly fact.  - Thomas Huxley
Fuller Rath - 28 Dec 2006 00:22 GMT
: But, he can't help you unless you call your legislator and demand
: immediate and forceful regulation!
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
: > slaying of a beautiful hypothesis
: > by an ugly fact.  - Thomas Huxley
George - 29 Dec 2006 21:09 GMT
> But, he can't help you unless you call your legislator and demand
> immediate and forceful regulation!
>
> Liberals make me sick.

Take a pill, norm.  You'll feel better afterwards.

George
Stormin Mormon - 27 Dec 2006 22:37 GMT
I thought so. Another big government liberal trying to regulate
everyone's lives.

I care. That's why I wear my safety belt (and also everyone else
in my vehicle). I drive sober, awake, and at slow, safe speeds. I
do my best to not overdrive my headlights, signal all my turns,
anticipate the other driver, and leave a safe following distance.

Over the course of my 25 year driving career, I've had zero
fatalities, and one hospitalization.  (Which, incidentally, was
me. I kept telling them I was fine, but the ambulance guys wanted
to do their thing.)

All of this with totally zero "massive government intervention".
Take your forceful government intervention and forcefully shove
it in your a.s.

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<perryneheum@hotmail.com> wrote in message

and then demand

> governmental action in the form of forceful intervention and strict
> regulation -- will this become the story of the year, as it should be.
Frank Arthur - 27 Dec 2006 22:44 GMT
>I thought so. Another big government liberal trying to regulate
> everyone's lives.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Over the course of my 25 year driving career, I've had zero
> fatalities

I think you deserve a Medal for zero fatalities!
Stormin Mormon - 28 Dec 2006 00:56 GMT
How about a govenment grant?

Seriously, I'm pleased not to have injured anyone. That would be
miserable to live with.

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Christopher A. Young
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> > Over the course of my 25 year driving career, I've had zero
> > fatalities
>
> I think you deserve a Medal for zero fatalities!
George - 29 Dec 2006 21:11 GMT
> How about a govenment grant?

Hmmm.  I thought conservatives were all against government handouts.  Yet
here you are suggesting the government give you one.  Interesting.

George
Fuller Rath - 29 Dec 2006 23:56 GMT
: > How about a govenment grant?
:
: Hmmm.  I thought conservatives were all against government handouts.  Yet
: here you are suggesting the government give you one.  Interesting.
:
: George

conservative: too fat to run, too scared to fight

CON:  convict
           means against
           to con: flim-flam
George - 30 Dec 2006 06:51 GMT
> : > How about a govenment grant?
> :
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>
> conservative: too fat to run, too scared to fight

You forgot 'there shall be no handouts, except to Haliburton'.

George
NapalmHeart - 01 Jan 2007 15:40 GMT
> : > How about a govenment grant?
> :
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> conservative: too fat to run, too scared to fight

I'm no runner, but I'm more than happy to stand and fight.

Ken
Fuller Rath - 01 Jan 2007 16:30 GMT
: > : > How about a govenment grant?
: > :
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
:
: Ken

then you can't be a "conservative"
NapalmHeart - 03 Jan 2007 14:27 GMT
> : > : "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-&spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in
> message
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> then you can't be a "conservative"

Libertarian Conservative.  Sure not a Liberal.  Unless you mean Classical
Liberal.

Ken
George - 01 Jan 2007 21:37 GMT
>> : > How about a govenment grant?
>> :
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Ken

Then why aren't you over in Iraq fighting?

George
NapalmHeart - 03 Jan 2007 14:28 GMT
>>> : > How about a govenment grant?
>>> :
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> George

They won't take me.
George - 03 Jan 2007 20:05 GMT
>>>> : "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-&spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>> message
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> They won't take me.

Why not?

George
BOB - 03 Jan 2007 20:08 GMT
>>>>> : "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-&spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> message
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> George

Probably because they don't take cowards.
NapalmHeart - 30 Dec 2006 14:50 GMT
>> How about a govenment grant?
>
> Hmmm.  I thought conservatives were all against government handouts.  Yet
> here you are suggesting the government give you one.  Interesting.
>
> George

I think you missed the sarcasm.

Ken
Jeff Burke - 27 Dec 2006 22:58 GMT
>These substances and people types -- in various combinations -- kill
>44,000 of U.S. citizens a year.  It's been like this for decades.  But
>nothing substantive is ever done to reduce this carnage.  Because
>nobody cares.

Holt sh.t! This guy has to be one of the worst bed-wetter busy-bodies on earth.
Make me want to go drive my SUV thru a school zone at full speed!
Stormin Mormon - 28 Dec 2006 00:57 GMT
Which, unfortuately, would establish his point. Give the
regulators something more to scream about.

I share your frustration.

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> >These substances and people types -- in various combinations -- kill
> >44,000 of U.S. citizens a year.  It's been like this for decades.  But
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Holt sh.t! This guy has to be one of the worst bed-wetter busy-bodies on earth.
> Make me want to go drive my SUV thru a school zone at full speed!
TBone - 28 Dec 2006 01:14 GMT
What a complete load of sh.t.

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> Drugs
>
[quoted text clipped - 103 lines]
> University and executive director of PublicMind, a public opinion
> research group there.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/26/AR2006122600775.html

> -----
Stormin Mormon - 28 Dec 2006 03:20 GMT
A call for more regulation? Yep, that's manure. Liberal
droppings.

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> What a complete load of sh.t.
>
> --
Bill Dunkinfield - 28 Dec 2006 16:27 GMT
> A call for more regulation? Yep, that's manure. Liberal
> droppings.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> >
> > --

Inspect the drivers not the vehicles.

Many of my fellow drivers do not know how to make a left turn. Many do
not know what that line in the middle of the road is for. Something has
to be done about people talking on the phone and watching videos while
driving.

JAM
GeekBoy - 28 Dec 2006 01:51 GMT
I care....its called "Population Control" and "natural selection."

Sounds liek you need to be next.

> Drugs
>
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>
> -----
aarcuda69062 - 28 Dec 2006 02:26 GMT
In article
<1167256474.150064.127290@h40g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,

> Drugs
>
> Booze
>
> Speed

<snip>

I think it's really nice that they're cleaning your cage before
the year ends.
Backyard Mechanic - 28 Dec 2006 02:56 GMT
> The writer is a professor of political science at Fairleigh Dickinson
> University and executive director of PublicMind, a public opinion
> research group there.

No... the writer is an indoctrinator at fairly dickwad u and executive
dick at.....

AND the OP is a hack!

The ONLY thing worse than a liar is an a.shole that twists statistics to
his agenda:
"Road fatalities in the US fell from 52627 in 1970 to 42116 yearly while
in the same period road fatalities in Germany fell from 21000 to 6949 per
year. ..."

Sounds BAD, huh... even though there's probably been a 3 or 4X increase
in vehicle miles traveled...

Still the death rate is FAR lower than it was 40 years ago.  And it's
ONLY where miles traveled/driven is ignored that the US looks bad.

Here's the facts:
   
DEATHS PER 100 MILLION VEHICLE-MILES
(1) Sweden     1.2
(2) United Kingdom     1.4
(3) Finland     1.5
(4) United States     1.7
(5) Netherlands     1.8
(6) Denmark     2.0

(9) Germany     2.5

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Frank from Deeetroit - 28 Dec 2006 18:10 GMT
>> The writer is a professor of political science at Fairleigh Dickinson
>> University and executive director of PublicMind, a public opinion
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
> (9) Germany 2.5

The numbers are more impressive considering how much the US population has
increased over the past 40 years.
Bruce Burden - 28 Dec 2006 03:18 GMT
In rec.autos.4x4 perryneheum@hotmail.com wrote:

: These substances and people types -- in various combinations -- kill
: 44,000 of U.S. citizens a year.

    What, 44,000 people per year in the US? So what? I suspect
  that more than 44.000 people per year die in the US due to
  DHMO related causes, and yet there is a vast conspiracy to not
  regulate DHMO.

    Did you know that DHMO killed more than 230,000 people IN ONE
  DAY? And yet, the governments and the UN do NOTHING to stop the
  slaughter.

    DHMO. You CAN live without it. Visit DHMO.org today!

                            Bruce
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Tom Adkins - 28 Dec 2006 12:59 GMT
>     What, 44,000 people per year in the US? So what? I suspect
>    that more than 44.000 people per year die in the US due to
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>                             Bruce

 Wow, that DHMO stuff is EVERYWHERE! We're doomed if the government doesn't step in
to regulate this nasty substance. ;)
Stormin Mormon - 30 Dec 2006 03:21 GMT
http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

Many folks in my community have been handicapped or killed by
DHMO, typically discharged by irresponsible corporations.
Something needs to be done, but there is too much corporate
monies involved.

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> > Did you know that DHMO killed more than 230,000 people IN ONE
> >    DAY? And yet, the governments and the UN do NOTHING to stop the
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>   Wow, that DHMO stuff is EVERYWHERE! We're doomed if the government doesn't step in
> to regulate this nasty substance. ;)
NapalmHeart - 01 Jan 2007 15:48 GMT
>> > Did you know that DHMO killed more than 230,000 people IN ONE
>> >    DAY? And yet, the governments and the UN do NOTHING to
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Something needs to be done, but there is too much corporate
> monies involved.

Here in Michigan we are concerned that those in other states want to take
our DHMO away from us!

Ken
Michael Pardee - 01 Jan 2007 16:30 GMT
>>> > Did you know that DHMO killed more than 230,000 people IN ONE
>>> >    DAY? And yet, the governments and the UN do NOTHING to
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Ken

In Arizona we have ridded many of our rivers of DHMO. A century ago DHMO
could be found much of the year in the Salt River that runs through Phoenix.
Now it is seen only when holding ponds threaten to overflow and DHMO is
released into the Salt River. When that happens it makes roads impassable
and ruins many shacks. The damage is estimated in the dollars. Dirt heavily
contaminated with DHMO is scraped off the roads afterward and merely pushed
into the ditch beside the road. Some of the chemical finds its way into the
soil and the rest evaporates, to be breathed in by the residents.

Studies have found the bodies of Arizonans - some still living but expected
to die within years, some already dead - contain large amounts of DHMO. DHMO
is found in nearly every Arizonan who dies (only a few who escaped into the
desert are free of the contamination). It is a terrible thing :-(

Mike
Michael Pardee - 01 Jan 2007 21:41 GMT
"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message

> In Arizona we have ridded many of our rivers of DHMO.

Wow... but we couldn't rid ourselves of people who use "have ridded." I'm
embarrassed it even came into my head. I believe the proper word is "rud."
I'll have to check with Mr. Language Guy.
<8^P

Mike
Stormin Mormon - 02 Jan 2007 14:02 GMT
Sigh. And the politicians act like they don't care.

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> In Arizona we have ridded many of our rivers of DHMO. A century ago DHMO
> could be found much of the year in the Salt River that runs through Phoenix.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Mike
PeterD - 28 Dec 2006 15:37 GMT
>In rec.autos.4x4 perryneheum@hotmail.com wrote:
>:
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>                            Bruce

DHMO should be banned, and all (ALL!) DHMO should be destroyed. It is
a hazard that we can't live with anymore.
actionmax - 28 Dec 2006 16:28 GMT
yes 44,000 die in car crashes, but people take a LOT of car rides. We
should be more worried about smoking related deaths, which kill about
10 times as many.

======================
http://www.reviewmymechanic.com/news.php
rmac - 28 Dec 2006 21:56 GMT
> yes 44,000 die in car crashes, but people take a LOT of car rides. We
> should be more worried about smoking related deaths, which kill about
> 10 times as many.

I knew someone would bring up the smoking thing. Someone always
does. Makes them feel morally superior to their inferior brethern who
smoke.
Can you show any stats that proves 440,000 people die of smoking?
I don't mean some statistics by a scientist who is in need of funds
for his research project.  I mean cases that it can be proven that
the person died because the person smoked.  How many people
who never smoked die of lung and throat cancer each year?
(No, I do not smoke).
Mike Hunter - 28 Dec 2006 22:14 GMT
The magic of statistics.  We all know old guys that smoke, I'm eighty and I
know lots of them...  If we relied on statistics, milk would be the common
causal link to every baby the died of SIDS.  If they know what causes cancer
why have they not found a cure as they did for all the other known killers?
Next thing you know global warning will be the cause, to keep the funding
coming.   LOL

mike

>> yes 44,000 die in car crashes, but people take a LOT of car rides. We
>> should be more worried about smoking related deaths, which kill about
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> who never smoked die of lung and throat cancer each year?
> (No, I do not smoke).
BDK - 28 Dec 2006 04:03 GMT
> Drugs
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Are YOU part of the problem?

Well, you can't regulate everything and everyone. Cars and trucks are
very safe at this point, but a 2000 pound car will lose every time to a
5000lb SUV. I was involved in a big wreck a few years ago, and totalled
a Camaro, and a Cavalier, and causing over 14K damage to my GMC Sierra
truck. I was the only one hurt, not badly though. A 20 year old kid in
the Camaro turned in front of me at an intersection known for at least
one similar wreck a month and one or two fatalities a year. Finally,
after 35 years since the light was installed, a turn signal was put in.
The wrecks have stopped, period. They needed a "traffic study" to
finally figure this out and put one in!

I do wish they would stop playing around with morons that get arrested
for DUI. The first time, give them 30 days in jail, or a "DUI center",
but the next time, give them a year and they lose their car, and can't
drive for 5 years.A third time, 10 years. I don't have any sympathy for
them at all. My sister's ex-boyfriend has been arrested for DUI so many
times it's insane. He's lost his license permanently, but that doesn't
stop him either. He's served a few years in jail all together, but until
he finally really hurts or kills somebody, he won't stop. Screw'em, lock
him up. Lock all the drunks/druggies up if they drive while impaired. I
couldn't care less about drugs or booze use otherwise, drug and alcohol
laws don't work, never have, and never will.

Bikers will always be killed, it's just going to happen, it always has
and always will. Laws of physics.

There will always be jerks that cause wrecks, and unless you make cars
self piloting, that won't change either. Turning them all into armored
tanks that will allow you to survive almost any crash would work, but
both are not practical.

BDK
Fuller Rath - 28 Dec 2006 14:07 GMT
We're seeing these right here!

> Drugs
>
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>
> Macho Men

and the ever present balding fat reich wing girly boys who all suffer from LDS - "Little dick syndrome"
Frank from Deeetroit - 28 Dec 2006 18:07 GMT
Your tinfoil hat is too tight.

> Drugs
>
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>
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Mike Hunter - 28 Dec 2006 20:14 GMT
The 'problem' is in the various states  we allow people that do not know how
to drive, to teach others how to drive.  Every driver should have to pass a
competent defensive driver training school test before being allowed on the
highways and byways.  They generally cost a $1,000 or more but one will save
one many times the cost of the school in lower insurance rates.  I sent all
of my children and grandchildren to the Bob Bondurant driving schools at
major raceways, at a cost of around $2,000.  None of them to date has ever
been charged with a moving violation or ever been involved in a fender
bender, let alone had a serious accident..

Speed is always the fall guy for accidents but the fact is the vast majority
of accidents happen at around 35 MPH or less.  The cause is generally driver
inattention or incompetence and THAT can be corrected or improved
drastically if we want to do so.

Truckers are fall guys as well.   Drive any major highway at 3 PM then drive
the same highway at 3 AM when the traffic is mostly trucks and you will be
amazed at the difference than when it was filled with cars.  I always travel
at night when driving great distances, for that reason.

mike
.

> Drugs
>
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>
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Bill Dunkinfield - 28 Dec 2006 20:56 GMT
> The 'problem' is in the various states  we allow people that do not know how
> to drive, to teach others how to drive.  Every driver should have to pass a
[quoted text clipped - 130 lines]
> >
> > -----

The things I learned in driver training in high school have saved my
life many times.

JAM
Backyard Mechanic - 28 Dec 2006 21:11 GMT
>> The 'problem' is in the various states  we allow people that do not
>> know how to drive, to teach others how to drive.  Every driver should
>> have to pass a competent defensive driver training school test before
>> being allowed on the highways and byways.  

> The things I learned in driver training in high school have saved my
> life many times.
>
> JAM

Good for you... but I cant say the same... the things i learned by
pushing cars to the limit, on snowy parking lots and gravel roads and in
farm fields have saved my life several times.

Not to mention visualizing 'WHAT IF'.. over and over.

The LAST thing that saved my life... and probably some others was when a
cat goes across 2 lanes of the freeway bounces off guardrail, and back
into your lane, hit the brakes and DO NOT SWERVE.
Knocked the other back off the road and mine didnt swerve into the other
side guardrail until the semi that was on my blindside had passed me.

They dont teach that in most drivers ed... or they didnt use to

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Stormin Mormon - 30 Dec 2006 03:22 GMT
Was the cat OK?

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> Good for you... but I cant say the same... the things i learned by
> pushing cars to the limit, on snowy parking lots and gravel roads and in
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>
> They dont teach that in most drivers ed... or they didnt use to
Backyard Mechanic - 30 Dec 2006 05:46 GMT
> Was the cat OK?

Heh... yeah I was driving a Probe.

For the rest of you, cat was typo of 'car'

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Fuller Rath - 29 Dec 2006 01:49 GMT
: The 'problem' is in the various states  we allow people that do not know how
: to drive, to teach others how to drive.  Every driver should have to pass a
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
: been charged with a moving violation or ever been involved in a fender
: bender, let alone had a serious accident..

The other problem is that we never (or rarely) test again after the initial license is given.
miles - 30 Dec 2006 06:32 GMT
> Truckers are fall guys as well.   Drive any major highway at 3 PM then drive
> the same highway at 3 AM when the traffic is mostly trucks and you will be
> amazed at the difference than when it was filled with cars.  I always travel
> at night when driving great distances, for that reason.

Depends on the highways.  I avoid highways with heavy trucker traffic.
These big rig drivers too often tailgate at high speeds, deliberatly
shove me out of their way when they feel like it and are just downright
rude as if they're bigger so get out of their way.  Why do these idiots
try to pass another trucker up a steep grade when they simply can't?
Instead they tie up traffic with their bigger than everyone else attitude.
septicman@peoplepc.com - 01 Jan 2007 21:58 GMT
Here's the real story, folks:  It's the dumb, useless, stupid-f.cks who
accounted for 90% of traffic deaths--they refused to wear their safety
belts.  Simple as that.  Plus they modeled that fatal behavior for
(their own) young people as well.

90% of those who had been wearing their safety belts survived and/or
were non-seriously injured.

Let's get real.  Do what you can do, forget about trying to legislate
the solution.

How about enforcing the existing safety belt laws with more than a $10
fine?

Land O'Lakes Fred

> Drugs
>
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>
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miles - 01 Jan 2007 22:54 GMT
> 90% of those who had been wearing their safety belts survived and/or
> were non-seriously injured.

Got any credible source to back up your claim that only 10% of traffic
deaths were wearing seat belts?

I agree that it's dumb to drive and not wear a belt but it's not the
governments job to make people do so.  Insurance companies can enforce
it by lowering claims if injuries can be shown to have been increased by
the lack of seat belt use in a particular accident.
septicman@peoplepc.com - 02 Jan 2007 17:03 GMT
NHTSA, if I am recalling correctly.  I will have to look that up to be
sure.

John Edwards:  Just another low-life, ambulance-chasing, keep the
highway mayhem coming personal injury lawyer who made his fortune off
of those who refused to wear their safety belts and/or their survivors.
Do you think they want the gov't to step up enforcement of the safety
belt laws or anything else for that matter?  Why is our car insurance
so ridiculously high?  The John Edwardses.  f.ck almost all of those
bottom-feeders.

By and large, most of the American driving public constitues the single
largest group of shiftless, moronic bastards the world will have ever
seen.  Just look at the horrific, oversized and overkill gas eating
junk on the road they persist in purchasing.  I live in snow country,
where there are ski hills, etc.  For the last 15 years or so, we have
only been getting about one-third of the annual snowfall common in the
sixties and seventies.  What did people drive to the ski hills in those
days?  95+% drove 2-wheel drive cars.  Period.  No problem getting
through.  And most of those cars were rear wheel drive.  Damn few semis
on the road.  Basically, almost all of the vehicles were approximately
the same size and weight, except for the VW coffins, of course.  Now,
every dumb-f.ck up here and in the Chicago area who travel here just
has to have a 4-wheel drive something, usually a full-size truck with
huge tires (less p.s.i. on the road, duh).  A goodly number with a
plow, too, of course.  The complete phallic package.  So, if by chance
I should have to take on one of those phallic bastards with my Town
Car, I will be damn lucky to be saved by the safety belts and airbags.
A compact car?  Not a prayer in hell.  All three of my children drive
full-size FORD products:  18 year old girl drives a primo 95
Continental; 20 year old boy drives a 93 Crown Vic, and 31 year old boy
drives a 96 Crown Vic.  I drive a 95 Town Car and a 99 Continental.
All three children understand that driving anything smaller would be
the same thing as smoking cigarettes:  Guaranteed suicide.  Not an
option.

Is it any wonder the towel-headed scum have our number?  We are stupid
beyond any hope.

So, we must all idividually do whatever we can to protect ourselves and
those entrusted to us.

Land O'Lakes Fred

> > 90% of those who had been wearing their safety belts survived and/or
> > were non-seriously injured.
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> it by lowering claims if injuries can be shown to have been increased by
> the lack of seat belt use in a particuar accident.
miles - 02 Jan 2007 23:45 GMT
> NHTSA, if I am recalling correctly.  I will have to look that up to be
> sure.
>
> John Edwards:  Just another low-life, ambulance-chasing, keep the
> highway mayhem coming personal injury lawyer who made his fortune off
> of those who refused to wear their safety belts and/or their survivors.

He made much of his money winning lawsuits claiming Dr's delivery
techniques caused Parkinson's disease.  It has since been proven his
claims were false.
Fuller Rath - 03 Jan 2007 02:20 GMT
you must have brown eyes because you sure are full of sh.t.

: > NHTSA, if I am recalling correctly.  I will have to look that up to be
: > sure.
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: techniques caused Parkinson's disease.  It has since been proven his
: claims were false.
miles - 03 Jan 2007 02:26 GMT
> you must have brown eyes because you sure are full of sh.t.

Oh?  Show me credible current medical evidence that substantiates
Edwards claims regarding his claims regarding birthing methods causing
Parkinsons?  The evidence is in contrary to his absurd claims.  Edwards
didn't give a dang about these patients.  The only thing he cared about
is stuffing his pockets with cash.
septicman@peoplepc.com - 03 Jan 2007 03:38 GMT
Right on, Miles !

Edwards and the like are nothing short of latter-day
carpetbaggers...lower than whaleshit.  He belongs with the towel-heads.

Land O'Lakes Fred

> > you must have brown eyes because you sure are full of sh.t.
>
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> didn't give a dang about these patients.  The only thing he cared about
> is stuffing his pockets with cash.
Fuller Rath - 03 Jan 2007 14:04 GMT
Another loser suffering from LDS -  Little Dick Syndrome

hahahahhahahahaahahahahaha!

: Right on, Miles !
:
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: > didn't give a dang about these patients.  The only thing he cared about
: > is stuffing his pockets with cash.
Fuller Rath - 03 Jan 2007 14:04 GMT
No, the way it works, moron, is since you are making the claim, you show the proof. Jesus; you mouth breathers all have acute
cranial rectitus!

: > you must have brown eyes because you sure are full of sh.t.
:
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
: didn't give a dang about these patients.  The only thing he cared about
: is stuffing his pockets with cash.
miles - 04 Jan 2007 01:10 GMT
> No, the way it works, moron, is since you are making the claim, you show the proof. Jesus; you mouth breathers all have acute
> cranial rectitus!

You like so many of your ilk will never define what proof is.  You just
rant with your rhetoric.  In a court the burden of proof is on the
accuser.  In this case it was John Edwards.  He convinced a jury that
had no medical background whatsoever.  He never proved anything to the
medical industry of his claims.  I'll side with the medical industry
rather than a bunch of liberal scum lawyers who had only money on their
minds and not anyones health.

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040816-011234-1949r.htm
"In 2003, the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American College of
Obstetricians and Gynecologists published a joint study that cast
serious doubt on whether events at childbirth cause cerebral palsy. The
"vast majority" of cerebral palsy cases originate long before
childbirth, according to the study."

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=%5CPolitics%5Carchive%5C200401%5CPO
L20040120a.html

"The cause of cerebral palsy has been debated since the 19th century.
Some medical studies dating back to at least the 1980s asserted that
doctors could do very little to cause cerebral palsy during the birthing
process. Two new studies in 2003 further undermined the scientific
premise of the high profile court cases that helped Edwards become a
multi-millionaire and finance his own successful campaign for the U.S.
Senate."
Fuller Rath - 04 Jan 2007 02:14 GMT
Jesus H. Christ. The Washington Times and Cybercrap News. I'm surprised you didn't post Faux and NRO as well. Now do you have any
credible sources or are you perpetually embedded in  Sun Dung Moon's a.s?

: > No, the way it works, moron, is since you are making the claim, you show the proof. Jesus; you mouth breathers all have acute
: > cranial rectitus!
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: multi-millionaire and finance his own successful campaign for the U.S.
: Senate."
miles - 04 Jan 2007 02:39 GMT
> Jesus H. Christ. The Washington Times and Cybercrap News. I'm surprised you didn't post Faux and NRO as well. Now do you have any
> credible sources or are you perpetually embedded in  Sun Dung Moon's a.s?

I thought you'd deny the fact that Edwards is scum and his bogus
lawsuits were simply a way to make him a millionaire many times over.
Fuller Rath - 05 Jan 2007 00:23 GMT
Laugh it off, loser. He's probably going to be the next prez. Now let's talk about how limp Dick Cheney and raisin brain Bush got
their millions.

The best thing right now is knowing that your iddy biddy weenie is totally limp realizing that Nancy Pelosi is Speaker of the
House.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

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: > Jesus H. Christ. The Washington Times and Cybercrap News. I'm surprised you didn't post Faux and NRO as well. Now do you have any
: > credible sources or are you perpetually embedded in  Sun Dung Moon's a.s?
:
: I thought you'd deny the fact that Edwards is scum and his bogus
: lawsuits were simply a way to make him a millionaire many times over.
miles - 05 Jan 2007 00:47 GMT
> Laugh it off, loser. He's probably going to be the next prez.

I doubt Edwards stands a chance.  He's not well liked by many Dem
leaders.  The Dems need a more moderate candidate.
TBone - 05 Jan 2007 04:39 GMT
> > Laugh it off, loser. He's probably going to be the next prez.
>
> I doubt Edwards stands a chance.  He's not well liked by many Dem
> leaders.  The Dems need a more moderate candidate.

Don't bet on that Miles?  He has a strong following in the south and is not
going to be so easily spun negative like Kerry allowed.  The problem for you
now is that the general population is beginning to easily see thru the right
wing spin as evident by the results of the last congressional election.

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miles - 05 Jan 2007 13:22 GMT
> Don't bet on that Miles?  He has a strong following in the south and is not
> going to be so easily spun negative like Kerry allowed.  The problem for you
> now is that the general population is beginning to easily see thru the right
> wing spin as evident by the results of the last congressional election.

That isn't true at all.  They don't like Bush and company but they do
not see Democrats as having the answers and solutions to the problems at
hand.  You seem to think that since people don't like Bush they
therefore just love Democrats.  That logic is absurd.
Fuller Rath - 05 Jan 2007 23:43 GMT
The Repubicans haven't had a single original workable idea in over a century. And without your DIEbold DRE machines, you won't be
able to steal any more elections. Other than in the knuckle-dragging inbred South, the Repubican Party is finished as a major
player in this country.

Why don't you run Sammy Brownbutt (back) and John Sidney McCain in 08'? That ticket might garner 1500 or so votes....

: > Don't bet on that Miles?  He has a strong following in the south and is not
: > going to be so easily spun negative like Kerry allowed.  The problem for you
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: hand.  You seem to think that since people don't like Bush they
: therefore just love Democrats.  That logic is absurd.
miles - 06 Jan 2007 04:33 GMT
> The Repubicans haven't had a single original workable idea in over a century.

The same can be said about the Democrats.  They're all politicians.
Worthless bunch no matter what the party.
SnoMan - 05 Jan 2007 13:44 GMT
>Don't bet on that Miles?  He has a strong following in the south and is not
>going to be so easily spun negative like Kerry allowed.  The problem for you
>now is that the general population is beginning to easily see thru the right
>wing spin as evident by the results of the last congressional election.

Edwards is not a bad guy but he does not have a snowballs chance in
"H" of winning a general election as president. Same with Hiliary as
she does not have a chance of getting elected either but seems to
think so in her mind. Next election is for the Democract to loss and
Republicains to win because of Bush fall out. If Dem's are stupid
enough to run Clinton or Edwards in a general election even old Dan
Quayle could win against them. It is all about electabilty which the
two mentioned above do not have. Hiliary could not get health care
figured out after 3 years and she thinks she can run a country? Get
real. I am not against a women president but I am against the wrong
one.
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miles - 06 Jan 2007 04:02 GMT
> Edwards is not a bad guy but he does not have a snowballs chance in
> "H" of winning a general election as president.

He is a bad guy.  He bankrupt many people with bogus medical claims that
have never been substantiated and held up by the medical industry all to
line his pockets with.
Fuller Rath - 07 Jan 2007 17:53 GMT
Bullshit. More a.s gassings from a big, fat, lard-assed, loser reich winger

: > Edwards is not a bad guy but he does not have a snowballs chance in
: > "H" of winning a general election as president.
:
: He is a bad guy.  He bankrupt many people with bogus medical claims that
: have never been substantiated and held up by the medical industry all to
: line his pockets with.
Fuller Rath - 05 Jan 2007 23:41 GMT
"Moderate" like Joe LIEBerman.  Hahahaa    You have tilted so fat to the right your lips kiss your butt. No real Democrat gives a
sh.t what the DLC-Clinton-Repubican-lite hacks think

: > Laugh it off, loser. He's probably going to be the next prez.
:
: I doubt Edwards stands a chance.  He's not well liked by many Dem
: leaders.  The Dems need a more moderate candidate.
miles - 06 Jan 2007 04:32 GMT
> "Moderate" like Joe LIEBerman.  Hahahaa    You have tilted so fat to the right your lips kiss your butt. No real Democrat gives a
> sh.t what the DLC-Clinton-Repubican-lite hacks think

Lieberman?  He's just another idiot Democrat, I mean Democrat turned
Independent turned Democrat.
Fuller Rath - 07 Jan 2007 17:55 GMT
No doubt you're more in tune with Brownbutt, Foley and Newtie.  Great job your side has down f.cking everything up. You must want
the whole world to be as screwed as you appear to be. The only way you can verify your "masculinity" is by pecking out inane
prattle while you read NAMBLA handouts under a 40 watt light bulb in your closet.

: > "Moderate" like Joe LIEBerman.  Hahahaa    You have tilted so fat to the right your lips kiss your butt. No real Democrat gives a
: > sh.t what the DLC-Clinton-Repubican-lite hacks think
:
: Lieberman?  He's just another idiot Democrat, I mean Democrat turned
: Independent turned Democrat.
miles - 07 Jan 2007 21:36 GMT
> No doubt you're more in tune with Brownbutt, Foley and Newtie.  Great job your side has down f.cking everything up. You must want
> the whole world to be as screwed as you appear to be. The only way you can verify your "masculinity" is by pecking out inane
> prattle while you read NAMBLA handouts under a 40 watt light bulb in your closet.

Wow.  I'm impressed.  Is this rhetoric what a phd buys these days?
TBone - 05 Jan 2007 04:43 GMT
> > Jesus H. Christ. The Washington Times and Cybercrap News. I'm surprised you didn't post Faux and NRO as well. Now do you have any
> > credible sources or are you perpetually embedded in  Sun Dung Moon's a.s?
>
> I thought you'd deny the fact that Edwards is scum and his bogus
> lawsuits were simply a way to make him a millionaire many times over.

Because there was no need.  If you even bothered to read that right wing
crap that you posted you would see that it was completely politically
motivated crap.

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miles - 05 Jan 2007 13:24 GMT
> Because there was no need.  If you even bothered to read that right wing
> crap that you posted you would see that it was completely politically
> motivated crap.

Edwards claims about Celebral Palsy were complete crap.  The medical
industry has not adopted his claims in any way shape or form.  Not even
close.  His 'findings' were ridiculed and dismissed by the medical
industry.  You'd think if he were right it would have changed procedures
completely.  Edwards claims did no such thing.
TBone - 05 Jan 2007 16:32 GMT
> > Because there was no need.  If you even bothered to read that right wing
> > crap that you posted you would see that it was completely politically
> > motivated crap.
>
> Edwards claims about Celebral Palsy were complete crap.

Then how did he win?

> The medical industry has not adopted his claims in any way shape or form.
Not even
> close.

Wrong again.  Try reading that crap that you posted.  Not a single one of
them said that it was impossible, only unlikely.

> His 'findings' were ridiculed and dismissed by the medical
> industry.

Once again, your bias and hatred for anyone or anything Democratic prevents
you from seeing the truth.  The medical industry has determined that it is
highly unlikely that errors from the doctor is the cause of Celebral Palsy
and that the damage that causes it most often occurs before birth but highly
unlikely does not equate to impossible or even dismissed and not a one of
them say's that it's impossible.

> You'd think if he were right it would have changed procedures
> completely.

LOL,  more complete crap.  It is not the procedure that can cause it, it is
not following it correctly and/or not looking for problems during it and
while unlikely, it is not impossible for it to happen and be the cause.

> Edwards claims did no such thing.

While it didn't change the procedure (as the procedure itself was not the
problem), you can bet that it makes the doctors and nurses performing it pay
far more attention (which was the possible cause).

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Fuller Rath - 05 Jan 2007 23:45 GMT
Myles is still quoting from the Moonie Times and Cybercrap News Service. Next he'll be tonguing Sean Vanity and Bill O'Liely

: > > Because there was no need.  If you even bothered to read that right wing
: > > crap that you posted you would see that it was completely politically
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: problem), you can bet that it makes the doctors and nurses performing it pay
: far more attention (which was the possible cause).
miles - 06 Jan 2007 04:35 GMT
> Myles is still quoting from the Moonie Times and Cybercrap News Service. Next he'll be tonguing Sean Vanity and Bill O'Liely

Then show me proof that the medical industry has in any way shape or
form adopted anything from Edwards claims.  Fact is, they haven't.  Not
one bit.  You won't find it.
Fuller Rath - 07 Jan 2007 17:53 GMT
Dipstick, you're the one making the out-of-your-a.s claims with no proof. Quite frankly, on your $5.15 an hour burger flipping job
you couldn't afford to pay me to do research for you. Now crawl back in bed with Sean and Rush and assume your customary position
on all fours.

: > Myles is still quoting from the Moonie Times and Cybercrap News Service. Next he'll be tonguing Sean Vanity and Bill O'Liely
:
: Then show me proof that the medical industry has in any way shape or
: form adopted anything from Edwards claims.  Fact is, they haven't.  Not
: one bit.  You won't find it.
miles - 07 Jan 2007 21:35 GMT
> Dipstick, you're the one making the out-of-your-a.s claims with no proof. Quite frankly, on your $5.15 an hour burger flipping job
> you couldn't afford to pay me to do research for you. Now crawl back in bed with Sean and Rush and assume your customary position
> on all fours.

I see.  So you're the typical bleeding heart liberal whiner that buys
into BS without basis.  You've bought into Edwards claims even though
you have no clue what those claims are even about.  Too funny.
Fuller Rath - 08 Jan 2007 01:57 GMT
No, I haven't bought into your bs at all. And let's see. I'm a "bleeding heart liberal" and you're a braying jackass neonazi
Repubican. Enjoy molesting your pages and f.cking up the country. It's all your kind are good at.

: > Dipstick, you're the one making the out-of-your-a.s claims with no proof. Quite frankly, on your $5.15 an hour burger flipping job
: > you couldn't afford to pay me to do research for you. Now crawl back in bed with Sean and Rush and assume your customary position
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: into BS without basis.  You've bought into Edwards claims even though
: you have no clue what those claims are even about.  Too funny.
miles - 06 Jan 2007 04:28 GMT
> Then how did he win?

Convinced a jury that has zero medical background.  Most of his
'testimony' was simply showing the horrible effects of Celebral Palsy
complete with movies showing the bad effects.  Whats that got to do with
guilt?

> Wrong again.  Try reading that crap that you posted.  Not a single one of
> them said that it was impossible, only unlikely.

They said very rare, very unlikely.  Totally opposite of Edwards claims.
 Furthermore no changes have been made to accepted practices in
birthing.  If Edwards was right then why haven't there been more
lawsuits all these years later??

> Once again, your bias and hatred for anyone or anything Democratic prevents
> you from seeing the truth.  The medical industry has determined that it is
> highly unlikely that errors from the doctor is the cause of Celebral Palsy
> and that the damage that causes it most often occurs before birth but highly
> unlikely does not equate to impossible or even dismissed and not a one of
> them say's that it's impossible.

That was not Edwards stance in his lawsuits.  He claimed it was VERY
likely and almost certainly the cause.

> While it didn't change the procedure (as the procedure itself was not the
> problem), you can bet that it makes the doctors and nurses performing it pay
> far more attention (which was the possible cause).

Nothing has changed.  There were never any medical journals coming out
to warn Dr's about incorrect following of procedures etc.  NOTHING from
the medical industry at all.
TBone - 06 Jan 2007 05:37 GMT
> > Then how did he win?
>
> Convinced a jury that has zero medical background.  Most of his
> 'testimony' was simply showing the horrible effects of Celebral Palsy
> complete with movies showing the bad effects.  Whats that got to do with
> guilt?

LOL, if that was all he had then the judge would have overturned the
verdict.  You act like Edwards was the only one speaking and that the
defense had no witnesses.

> > Wrong again.  Try reading that crap that you posted.  Not a single one of
> > them said that it was impossible, only unlikely.
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> birthing.  If Edwards was right then why haven't there been more
> lawsuits all these years later??

Do you really like making this much of an a.s out of yourself?  Edwards was
talking about his particular case, not all cases in general.  The reason
that there are not more of these cases is because after Edwards, they are
much more careful now and most of the cases Cerebral Palsy found now are due
to other reasons.

> > Once again, your bias and hatred for anyone or anything Democratic prevents
> > you from seeing the truth.  The medical industry has determined that it is
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> That was not Edwards stance in his lawsuits.  He claimed it was VERY
> likely and almost certainly the cause.

Yea, in those particular cases.  Like you said in your own distorted way, he
did the research before taking in these cases.

> > While it didn't change the procedure (as the procedure itself was not the
> > problem), you can bet that it makes the doctors and nurses performing it pay
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> to warn Dr's about incorrect following of procedures etc.  NOTHING from
> the medical industry at all.

LOL, get real.

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miles - 06 Jan 2007 06:02 GMT
> LOL, if that was all he had then the judge would have overturned the
> verdict.  You act like Edwards was the only one speaking and that the
> defense had no witnesses.

Oh please.  Any lawyer can get a few 'expert' witnesses to tell the
story their way.  They are paid for their bs stories.  They are career
witnesses.  The fact remains that the medical industry did not change
their stance on the causes of Cerebral Palsy as a result of Edwards
absurd claims.  Quite the opposite.  They now say there is even less
evidence to support Edwards claims than during his trial years.  His
main interest was making money.  Pure greed you should be totally
against.  Why is it that the greed of lawyers is acceptable to liberals?

> Do you really like making this much of an a.s out of yourself?  Edwards was
> talking about his particular case, not all cases in general.

Not true.  During his trials he made the claim that birthing procedures
were a major cause of Celebral Palsy, not just in his particular cases.

> The reason
> that there are not more of these cases is because after Edwards, they are
> much more careful now and most of the cases Cerebral Palsy found now are due
> to other reasons.

Bull.  The medical industry produced to changes to birthing guidelines
as a result of Edwards claims.  None whatsoever.  No journals were
submitted by the industry to guide Dr's and warn them of problems.
Edwards is a greedy multi-millionaire and nothing more.

> Yea, in those particular cases.  Like you said in your own distorted way, he
> did the research before taking in these cases.

No!!  Not just in his particular cases.  He made the claim it was a
major cause and his cases were prime examples.  He made the claim he was
doing good by altering the industry ways to stop this travesty. He was
wrong.  There was no travesty other than his pure greed.  Thats all his
cases were about.  How to con non-medical oriented juries so he can line
his own pockets with millions.

>> Nothing has changed.  There were never any medical journals coming out
>> to warn Dr's about incorrect following of procedures etc.  NOTHING from
>> the medical industry at all.
>
> LOL, get real.

That is real TBone.  No medical journals ever came out as a result of
Edwards claims.  The medical industry did not back him up.  The only
ones who did were paid so called expert witnesses.  That still holds
true today.
Fuller Rath - 03 Jan 2007 02:21 GMT
somewhere in this pile of bush droppings there must be a coherent thought...

: NHTSA, if I am recalling correctly.  I will have to look that up to be
: sure.
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: > it by lowering claims if injuries can be shown to have been increased by
: > the lack of seat belt use in a particuar accident.
Alphonse Q Muthafuyer - 01 Jan 2007 23:00 GMT
>Drugs
>
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>
>Are YOU part of the problem?

'Course I yam. We All Are!

Watchoo mean nobody cares? Just ask anybody. They'll tell ya They
Care! :-) Make a note of it if they look ya right in the eye
when they say it.

No mention of celly-phone insanity behind the wheel? Exhibit A
in evidence of the conclusion that this Silly Goose ain't serious.

Extant theory: Nobody needs a celly-phone -anywhere- (much less
behind the wheel) excepting maybe drug dealers.

No mention of simple fact that 95% of non-commercial truck-class
vehicles (vans, SUV's, etc) do not "carry the load" and drastically
compromise the driving abilities of their owners (not to mention
their wives)? Exhibit B in evidence of the conclusion that this
Silly Goose ain't serious.

I can't drive down my little street without one coming at po' me,
taking 100% they side the road + 33% of my side.

And regulation isn't the answer. Because the problem is cultural.

The Implicit Agreement:

a.) The population allows the gov't to manufacture at least a few
   wars, get thousands if not millions Bloody Murdered for no
   reason. This accompanied by massive demonizations in the
   alleged mass-media.
b.) The gov't continues to allow the population to commit nearly
   all manner of cultural unnatural acts including the trashing
   of the streets/hiways. This while C-C-Congress is busy
   altering nat'l laws so's they can produce oil from pristine
   nat'l forests, etc such as in Alaska.

And, b/c the problem is cultural, there is no solution.

None whatsoever.

 Cheers,
 Al

"The monkey and the baboon was playing 7-up.
The monkey won the money but he scared to pick it up.
The monkey stumbled, mama.
The baboon fell.
The monkey grab the money and he run like hell!"
   - from "Dirty Motherfuyer", Roosevelt Sykes, around 1935
bungalow_steve@yahoo.com - 02 Jan 2007 00:59 GMT
> Drugs
>
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> nothing substantive is ever done to reduce this carnage.  Because
> nobody cares.

Why people care about certain deaths and not others is probably a good
topic for a PhD thesis.

It's interesting to notice the denial in many of the responses to this
post (it's always the other guy that causing all the problems, not
me....ha)

I suppose if they put pictures of the 120 or so people who die
everyday on the highways on the news everynight things might change,
but more then likely people would simply stop watching that news
station and go into denial mode... that is so much easier then solving
this difficult problem.
 
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