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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / December 2006

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alternator strangeness

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TonyD - 28 Dec 2006 00:43 GMT
Got a '97 2500 diesel.  When I start it, the alternator gauge swings from
lowest acceptable position on the gauge to normal reading.  It generally
cycles from lo to high every 4 or 5 seconds.  This normally goes on for 30
seconds or so.  

When the meter drops to the lowest position, the idle rpms fall way down.
When the raises to normal position, the idle goes to normal rpms.  What's
going on here?  Is the alternator getting ready to blow?
TBone - 28 Dec 2006 01:11 GMT
What you are seeing is the grid heater operating.  When it cycles on, it
draws a huge amount of current (100A IIRC) and that will cause your gauge to
swing to the low side.  Supplying this level of current does not come for
free and when the heater is drawing this power the alternator will put a
large load on the engine trying to supply it and that will cause your idle
speed to drop.  It is all normal operations and I wouldn't worry to much
about it.  OTOH, you might want to get your batteries load tested as it
appears that they no longer have the reserve capacity they should have and
the vehicle is relying far more on the alternator alone to supply the
required current needed during the warm-up phase.

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> Got a '97 2500 diesel.  When I start it, the alternator gauge swings from
> lowest acceptable position on the gauge to normal reading.  It generally
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> When the raises to normal position, the idle goes to normal rpms.  What's
> going on here?  Is the alternator getting ready to blow?
TonyD - 28 Dec 2006 01:58 GMT
> What you are seeing is the grid heater operating.  When it cycles on, it
> draws a huge amount of current (100A IIRC) and that will cause your gauge
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> the vehicle is relying far more on the alternator alone to supply the
> required current needed during the warm-up phase.

What does the grid heater do?  Both of the batteries were just replaced a
few months ago with Auto Zone units -- about $80 each IIRC.  I cleaned the
battery connectors with a battery cleaning tool when they were changed out.  

After installing the new batteries, the starter spins at an unreal speed --
maybe twice the speed before.  Cold weather does seem to zap the batteries
pretty fast tho.  Should I have these tested somehow?  If yes, what
procedure?
TBone - 28 Dec 2006 02:08 GMT
> > What you are seeing is the grid heater operating.  When it cycles on, it
> > draws a huge amount of current (100A IIRC) and that will cause your gauge
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> pretty fast tho.  Should I have these tested somehow?  If yes, what
> procedure?

The grid heater warms the air entering the engine when it is cold and
replaces the glow plugs that some other diesel engines use.  If the
batteries are that new they should be fine but if you want to test them,
have them load tested but I don't think that it will be necessary.  As I
said before, during warm up (on a cool or cold day) the operation that you
are seeing with the diesel engine in your truck is normal.

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Stormin Mormon - 28 Dec 2006 03:18 GMT
This poster has more experience with diesels than I do. Believe
him, not me.

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> What you are seeing is the grid heater operating.  When it cycles on, it
> draws a huge amount of current (100A IIRC) and that will cause your gauge to
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> the vehicle is relying far more on the alternator alone to supply the
> required current needed during the warm-up phase.
Ring - 28 Dec 2006 02:55 GMT
> Got a '97 2500 diesel.  When I start it, the alternator gauge swings from
> lowest acceptable position on the gauge to normal reading.  It generally
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> When the raises to normal position, the idle goes to normal rpms.  What's
> going on here?  Is the alternator getting ready to blow?

As the other guy explained this is the intake air heater draw.  My 1996
3500 diesel does the exact same thing.
Stormin Mormon - 28 Dec 2006 03:17 GMT
Sounds like the alternator is responding to the idle. My last
couple Dodges, the alternator didn't put out if the engine was
running slow.

I suggest treat the engine speed, and the alternator will be OK.

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Christopher A. Young
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 You have to starve them.
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> Got a '97 2500 diesel.  When I start it, the alternator gauge swings from
> lowest acceptable position on the gauge to normal reading.  It generally
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> When the raises to normal position, the idle goes to normal rpms.  What's
> going on here?  Is the alternator getting ready to blow?
 
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