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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / January 2007An observation
I have noticed the high number of automatic transmission troubles on this and other newsgroups and as a very satisfied owner of an "04 CTD enjoy the very high torque output of the CTD. With a vehicle weight of 7800 lbs empty and the high torque capability of the CTD, it is easy to see why automobile type automatic gearboxes fail. Only truck automatics in the same class as the big Allison 6 speed will be reliable over time in this application and they are expensive and are not offered. So why do so many CTD owners insist on automatic gears when this observation is so easy for anyone to make? The clutch on my CTD is a 13 in, seriously heavy duty unit and it is very easy to trash this clutch with just a little abuse. Perhaps you CTD owners with automatics could satisfy my curiosity by explaining your rational for making that choice. Of course the early gears fail more than the later models, but even the late model gears are simply not up to the task. These trucks have 1,000,000 mile motors and 100,000 mile gears. Steve >I have noticed the high number of automatic transmission troubles on this >and other newsgroups and as a very satisfied owner of an "04 CTD enjoy the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >the big Allison 6 speed will be reliable over time in this application and >they are expensive and are not offered. Dodge seems to have their transmission problems pretty much in hand it would seem. My 05 was problem free. Don't kid youself that there haven't been a bunch of problems with the Dmax and the allison. >So why do so many CTD owners insist on automatic gears when this >observation is so easy for anyone to make? The clutch on my CTD is a 13 in, >seriously heavy duty unit and it is very easy to trash this clutch with >just a little abuse. Perhaps you CTD owners with automatics could satisfy >my curiosity by explaining your rational for making that choice. Ease of operation. Multiple drivers. >Of course the early gears fail more than the later models, but even the >late model gears are simply not up to the task. These trucks have 1,000,000 >mile motors and 100,000 mile gears. Who keeps their pick up 1,000,000 miles? > Steve I have a 98 Ram 1500, 5.9L V8. Am I to expect some crisis down the road in my auto-transmission ? No, your motor develops 325 ft lbs of torque at 4,000 rpm. The CTD developes in excess of 500 ft lbs at 2800, but more importantly, 400 ft lbs at slightly past idle speed.There's the rub. Steve >I have a 98 Ram 1500, 5.9L V8. Am I to expect some crisis down the > road in my auto-transmission ? > No, your motor develops 325 ft lbs of torque at 4,000 rpm. The CTD > developes in excess of 500 ft lbs at 2800, but more importantly, 400 ft > lbs at slightly past idle speed.There's the rub. The 05 developes 610 ft lbs. The transmission deal's with it fine. Roy > Steve > >>I have a 98 Ram 1500, 5.9L V8. Am I to expect some crisis down the >> road in my auto-transmission ? Roy, I think the observations do not support your experience. You are clearly an intelligent driver that does not abuse his machinery. In fact there probably are many automatic owners that are similar to you, but your experience is not the norm. Check the Dodge groups and forums yoursef. I may not run my truck 1,000,000 miles, but somebody will, hence the high resale value. I do run my truck 300,000 and I really would not like to have to repair my gearbox 3 times either. Steve > Roy, > I think the observations do not support your experience. You are clearly > an intelligent driver that does not abuse his machinery. In fact there > probably are many automatic owners that are similar to you, but your > experience is not the norm. Check the Dodge groups and forums yoursef. I'd suggest that perhaps you look at the tdr, look here. I don't see many complaints about the autos. One thing to keep in mind. Count the number of post's about transmission problems, the figure that percentage against the number made. Also I don't know many people who post how wonderful any part of their car or truck is unless asked. > I may not run my truck 1,000,000 miles, but somebody will, hence the high > resale value. I do run my truck 300,000 and I really would not like to > have to repair my gearbox 3 times either. High resale value is mostly coupled to the higher purchase price. Roy > Steve  SignatureMax Join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > No, your motor develops 325 ft lbs of torque at 4,000 rpm. The CTD > developes in excess of 500 ft lbs at 2800, but more importantly, 400 ft > lbs at slightly past idle speed.There's the rub. > Steve Except that the 46RE was more likely to develop problems than the 47RE, and the new 48RE is even better. IOW I think you might be slightly full of sh.t in your original statement. >>I have a 98 Ram 1500, 5.9L V8. Am I to expect some crisis down the >> road in my auto-transmission ? >I have noticed the high number of automatic transmission troubles on this >and other newsgroups Yes - automatic, due to their nature, are more prone to wear. This isn't news. > type automatic gearboxes fail. Only truck automatics in the same class as > the big Allison 6 speed will be reliable over time in this application and > they are expensive and are not offered. Max - how's your puny 47RE doing behind your Cummins? 6+ years and still going, right? > So why do so many CTD owners insist on automatic gears when this > observation is so easy for anyone to make? SUVs are known to suck up more gas than econo-boxes. Why would anyone choose to drive such a huge vehicle? > clutch on my CTD is a 13 in, seriously heavy duty unit and it is very easy > to trash this clutch with just a little abuse. Perhaps you CTD owners with > automatics could satisfy my curiosity by explaining your rational for > making that choice. For me, personally? The convenience of the auto - the better performance (especially with a turbocharged vehicle) - the ability to upgrade it and put more power through it than a manual (you can upgrade your clutch all you like - the gearbox is still only rated for a certain torque input, then gears start to shear). > even the late model gears are simply not up to the task. Says who? The 48RE has been extremely reliable (I believe Dodge and Ford are about neck and neck when it comes to number of failures during the warranty period, with Chevy a distant 3rd). The 68RFE will be even more reliable, since it's designed from the ground-up with two overdrive gears (the 4xRH/E's OD was an after-thought, and suffered as such). > These trucks have 1,000,000 mile motors and 100,000 mile gears. Well, 350K at best before an overhaul, good for two overhauls. Why can't you give the transmission the same allowance? Treated properly, a modern automatic can easily go 200K before an overhaul, and as others have pointed out, a very small percentage of people will keep a vehicle over 200K - let alone 1M (not saying there aren't the rare exceptions - but that's just it... rare). Notice the new trend in diesel-powered trucks? The one where the manufacturers are de-tuning the engine output when mated to MANUAL transmissions? Chevy's doing it - Dodge will be doing it this month, and Ford's right behind when their new engine. > Says who? The 48RE has been extremely reliable (I believe Dodge and Ford > are about neck and neck when it comes to number of failures during the > warranty period, with Chevy a distant 3rd). The 68RFE will be even more > reliable, since it's designed from the ground-up with two overdrive gears > (the 4xRH/E's OD was an after-thought, and suffered as such). Tom, Explain the first part of this, about Chevy being a distant third. Are you saying Chevy has more or less trouble? Al More. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > > Says who? The 48RE has been extremely reliable (I believe Dodge and Ford [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Al > Max - how's your puny 47RE doing behind your Cummins? 6+ years and > still going, right? 7½ years and 85,000 miles on the 47RE behind my Cummins, and still going strong. SignatureKen > Max - how's your puny 47RE doing behind your Cummins? 6+ years and still > going, right? Doing just fine at the 72,500 mark. I recently pulled a loaded car trailer (93 S10 blazer 4dr) from State College PA to Bloomsburg, ran at 70mph across I80. Slowed to 60MPH and manually dropped to 3rd gear to run the hill outside Lock Haven. Had 0 problems, and got an average of 14mpg doing it. Prior uses of the trans include dragging many vehicles home on the trailer, mostly in OD. Numerous runs to the Eastern Shore of Maryland at 75+mph, and one incident where I hooked on to a loaded OTR rig and helped pull him off a patch of ice. IOW, I don't exactly take care of the trans like a mother hen.... in fact, I've changed the fluid exactly twice in 72k. Yeah, these things are loaded with problems. Not. SignatureMax Join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > >I have noticed the high number of automatic transmission troubles on this > >and other newsgroups [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > transmissions? Chevy's doing it - Dodge will be doing it this month, and > Ford's right behind when their new engine. |
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