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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / January 2007Battery question.....
I seem to have an issue with my '01 2500 QC 4x4... A couple of times lately I left my hazard lights on, once hile helping to remove a fallen tree on a road. Left the truck to block the road for safety. Got back in and I'll be damned if the battery wasn't about dead. How long do you guys experience your batteries to last under those conditions? Granted my Ram has never needed the hazards for it's own sake but I expected this brand new Odyssey battery to last a hell of a long time. I'm thinking it is all hype. Any input?  Signature------------------------------------------ Laszlo Almasi ----Cool Toys (formerly Carolina Watercraft Works) ----Mack Daddy Trailers ----Ice Angels How long a battery holds up under any load is a matter of the ratio of the Amp/hour rating to load. The more Amp/hours in your battery, the lower the load, or both, the longer the lights will flash. A 450 A/h battery in my old Valiant would burn the dome light for three days before the battery went dead (don't ask how I know . . .), a 650 A/h battery would last a third longer, four days. Is the battery the one "sized" to your vehicle, or did you get a larger than stock battery? When I buy a battery for my cars, I always get the largest A/h rating that will fit in the car / truck. Budd >I seem to have an issue with my '01 2500 QC 4x4... > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > sake but I expected this brand new Odyssey battery to last > a hell of a long time. I'm thinking it is all hype. Any input? SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > How long a battery holds up under any load is a matter of the ratio of the > Amp/hour rating to load. The more Amp/hours in your battery, the lower the [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > sake but I expected this brand new Odyssey battery to last > > a hell of a long time. I'm thinking it is all hype. Any input? Worse yet. On my 2004 CTD, if you leave the parking lights on they shut off automatically. Not a good thing if you need them for safety. Al My 95 Lebaron has the headlight delay feature for getting out and seeing a path to your door, but I rarely get to use it... I park behind my house. VBG Budd >> How long a battery holds up under any load is a matter of the ratio of >> the [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Al SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Ok...lets talk about batteries since maybe this one is a turd. It's an Optima with 870 CA, 750 CCA, 55 AH and 120 RC. I wouldn't think hazard lights would be that much of a drain on this battery given all the hype on them....but maybe I'm wrong. What batteries have you guys used and what are your opinions. Signature------------------------------------------ Laszlo Almasi ----Cool Toys (formerly Carolina Watercraft Works) ----Mack Daddy Trailers ----Ice Angels > How long a battery holds up under any load is a matter of the ratio of the > Amp/hour rating to load. The more Amp/hours in your battery, the lower the [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> sake but I expected this brand new Odyssey battery to last >> a hell of a long time. I'm thinking it is all hype. Any input? > Ok...lets talk about batteries since maybe this one is a turd. > It's an Optima with 870 CA, 750 CCA, 55 AH and 120 RC. > > I wouldn't think hazard lights would be that much of a drain on > this battery given all the hype on them....but maybe I'm wrong. You need to just take the battery back and have it load tested. A defective new battery is a possibility. > What batteries have you guys used and what are your opinions. I have two Interstate Megatrons that I put in the truck in '98 and they are about to be replaced. If I don't drive the truck at least every couple of weeks I get the dreaded click-click-click when I hit the key. Without going out and looking, I think they are the 950 cca batteries. I'll be putting Megatrons back in when I get around to replacing them. Denny Interstate batteries are a lot better today that when they first hit the market. Budd >> Ok...lets talk about batteries since maybe this one is a turd. >> It's an Optima with 870 CA, 750 CCA, 55 AH and 120 RC. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Denny SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com How many bulbs are being flashed? 4-6-8-120? You could have a battery built with forklift cells (2.3 volts, 900 amps maximum current per cell X 6 and 240 pounds weight per cell) but if you're flashing accesory bulbs along with the originals, it isn't going to hold up as long. What condition are your cables / cable ends / connections??? general wiring? All resistances use up power. What do you know of the battery manufacturer? There are some really cruddy Chinese made batteries being sold in the US now. Budd > Ok...lets talk about batteries since maybe this one is a turd. > It's an Optima with 870 CA, 750 CCA, 55 AH and 120 RC. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >>> sake but I expected this brand new Odyssey battery to last >>> a hell of a long time. I'm thinking it is all hype. Any input? SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Just the standard number of bulbs...nothing aftermarket. Another note...I used to have the Red Top battery but had it replaced after it left me stranded at a gas station. they replaced it but I opted for the Yellow Top this time. The R/T was maybe 6 months old if I recall. Afterwards, they told me they load tested the battery and it was good. So then I questioned my alternator but it has never given me problems and seems ok. Maybe I need to have it tested as well??? Signature------------------------------------------ Laszlo Almasi ----Cool Toys (formerly Carolina Watercraft Works) ----Mack Daddy Trailers ----Ice Angels > How many bulbs are being flashed? 4-6-8-120? You could have a battery > built with forklift cells (2.3 volts, 900 amps maximum current per cell X [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Budd Wouldn't hurt to have it tested. Do you have an aftermarket sound system installed ( radio/cd changer/amplifiers/etc.) or fog / driving lights that you use constantly? That's more load draining the battery ev en with the engine running that may not have been replaced ( battery recharged) before you turned on the 4-ways. It's also why the Sports Compact owners end up with charging systems that could power a battleship. There are so many possibilities, that it's hard to tell you what is going on, to be honest. And, to be honest, if one battery from a manufacturer / supplier failed me that quickly, I would really hesitate to buy another one of that brand. If you can find an Interstate battery dealer, get one, they're excellent batteries. Budd > Just the standard number of bulbs...nothing aftermarket. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> >> Budd SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com You need to do a current check on this vehicle dude and see exactly how much current this truck is drawing. It sounds like something is either on or backfeeding current when you don't expect it to be. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > Just the standard number of bulbs...nothing aftermarket. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > > > Budd > How many bulbs are being flashed? 4-6-8-120? You could have a battery built > with forklift cells (2.3 volts, 900 amps maximum current per cell X 6 and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > What condition are your cables / cable ends / connections??? general wiring? > All resistances use up power. That would be incorrect. The higher the resistance, the less power used for a given voltage. Poor connections would allow hos battery to last longer but he would have dimmer lights. > What do you know of the battery manufacturer? There are some really cruddy > Chinese made batteries being sold in the US now. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > >>> sake but I expected this brand new Odyssey battery to last > >>> a hell of a long time. I'm thinking it is all hype. Any input? Power = energy. Resistance (conventional light bulbs, in this case) converts energy into heat and disapates it. Energy is used to heat the filaments it is lost to the battery. Dirty connections also heat up as they are resistances. Burn a 12V bulb for a few minutes and stick you tongue to it if you don't think power is being converted to heat. Budd >> How many bulbs are being flashed? 4-6-8-120? You could have a battery > built [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] >> >>> sake but I expected this brand new Odyssey battery to last >> >>> a hell of a long time. I'm thinking it is all hype. Any input? SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Sorry once again Budd, but it really doesn't work that way. While it is true that a bulb converts electrical energy into heat and light, it has nothing at all to do with the conversation. I could go into a long winded explanation but you would just ignore it so I'll just use some simple equations. I take it that you are familiar with Ohm's Law, where voltage represented by E in the equation E = I * R with "I" being current and "R" being resistance. Power can also be calculated as P = E * I where once again "E" being voltage and "I" being current. Using these equations, the current flow in a circuit "I" can be calculated if the voltage "E" and resistance "R" are known by rewriting the formula as I = E / R. I probably shouldn't need to go any further but since it is you, I will. As you should know, if you increase the size of the denominator in a fraction, its value goes DOWN, not up. For an example, if our battery is putting out 12V and we have 6 ohms of resistance in our imaginary circuit (lets say the bulb), using Ohms calculation of I = E / R we have I = 12 / 6 which equals 2 Amps. Now we will make our connections really dirty and for the sake of keeping the math simple for you, they are so dirty they add another 6 ohms and effectively double the resistance to our circuit. Now our calculation comes out to I = 12 / 12 which is the original bulb plus our really dirty connection and now the current flow is just 1 amp. Since the capacity of a battery is measured in amp hours, it should be obvious to you that the added resistance will allow the battery to go twice as long. As for Power or "P", we can calculate that as well. In our first example, the battery put out 12 volts and 2 amps were passing thru our circuit so P = E * I or P = 12 * 2 which means our bulb was providing 24 watts of light. With our second example that included you dirty connections, P now equals 12 * 1 where the current was effectively cut in half due to the added resistance which means our bulb is now only providing 12 watts of light so as I said in the previous post, resistance in his connections will extend the life of his battery but at a reduced light output. Of course, these simple calculations make assumptions about the characteristics of a light bulb that are not completely accurate but that has nothing to do with the point being made and that is adding resistance to a series circuit with a fixed voltage reduces the current draw and power of the circuit. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > Power = energy. Resistance (conventional light bulbs, in this case) converts > energy into heat and disapates it. Energy is used to heat the filaments it [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > >> >>> sake but I expected this brand new Odyssey battery to last > >> >>> a hell of a long time. I'm thinking it is all hype. Any input? And you were too long winded anyway, so I gnored it. Tom, I don't care how you manipulate formulae to suit your pupose, you are wrong, the battery will drain faster due to a heavier load, it will not charge sufficiently if there is too much circuit resistance and that will add to his problem. Good Lord Almighty!! Budd > Sorry once again Budd, but it really doesn't work that way. While it is > true that a bulb converts electrical energy into heat and light, it has [quoted text clipped - 121 lines] >> >> >>> sake but I expected this brand new Odyssey battery to last >> >> >>> a hell of a long time. I'm thinking it is all hype. Any input? SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Budd, you are one stupid a.shole and as usual, not man enough to admit to even the simplest of errors. I can see why you got to where you are in life, which happens to be nowhere. Any way you want to spin it chucky, Ohms laws and simple algebra show clearly that also as usual, you don't know WTF you are talking about. A heavier load means more current draw, not less and increasing the resistance is a series circuit REDUCES current draw. I gotta say that Roy has Buddism down flat. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > And you were too long winded anyway, so I gnored it. > [quoted text clipped - 132 lines] > >> >> >>> sake but I expected this brand new Odyssey battery to last > >> >> >>> a hell of a long time. I'm thinking it is all hype. Any input? And you resort to insults . . . Budd > Budd, you are one stupid a.shole and as usual, not man enough to admit to > even the simplest of errors. I can see why you got to where you are in [quoted text clipped - 179 lines] >> >> >> >>> a hell of a long time. I'm thinking it is all hype. Any >> >> >> >>> input? SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com They are not insults Budd, they are accurate observations. Even when faced with simple science and freshman algebra disproving what you say, you are still not man enough to admit that you were wrong. At least that part about you has never changed. Perhaps you should not answer peoples questions as your lack of knowledge and cowardice to admit to even a simple error may get someone injured or killed and cause serious damage to their vehicle. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > And you resort to insults . . . > [quoted text clipped - 183 lines] > >> >> >> >>> a hell of a long time. I'm thinking it is all hype. Any > >> >> >> >>> input? Well, so much for this thread. Signature------------------------------------------ Laszlo Almasi ----Cool Toys (formerly Carolina Watercraft Works) ----Mack Daddy Trailers ----Ice Angels > They are not insults Budd, they are accurate observations. Even when > faced [quoted text clipped - 230 lines] >> >> >> >> >>> a hell of a long time. I'm thinking it is all hype. Any >> >> >> >> >>> input? > Well, so much for this thread. Nah, Denny was correct and T bone was right ya have to see how much draw ya have. $ way's shouldn't wipe the batteries out. Sounds like your on your 4th battery in what 5 years? Something ain't right roy > ------------------------------------------ > Laszlo Almasi [quoted text clipped - 248 lines] >>> >> >> >> >>> a hell of a long time. I'm thinking it is all hype. Any >>> >> >> >> >>> input? So how well am I doing practicing Buddism? I still need to work on the victim part but otherwise I think that I'm getting the hang of it. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > > Well, so much for this thread. [quoted text clipped - 256 lines] > >>> >> >> >> >>> a hell of a long time. I'm thinking it is all hype. Any > >>> >> >> >> >>> input? > So how well am I doing practicing Buddism? I still need to work on the > victim part but otherwise I think that I'm getting the hang of it. Buddism is easy to practice. All you do is what Chuckie has been doing for some time now. What is real good about it is that it is more of a lifestyle. Although if one were to practice it in the real world they be up for a a.s kicking in no time. > If at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving >> [quoted text clipped - 306 lines] >> >>> >> >> >> >>> Any >> >>> >> >> >> >>> input? This is the 3rd/4th battery. The first one (OEM) completely crapped out quite some time ago. I replaced that with a battery from Batteries Plus (their brand) which was a mistake. They replace it with an Optima (Red Top) and I just paid the difference so it wasn't a big deal til that one died....than I was a tad pissed. I do have an aftermarket stereo that does draw a lot of current but I figureded at the level I'm pushing it, the stock charging system woud be enough. I'm going to have that checked out this week and will go from there. On a side note, I've been watching my voltage gauge on start up and, if I recall, it always jumped right up to 14 volts or so as soon as started. Now, it seems to creep up rather slowly so I'm thinking maybe I have a charging issue. Been wanting a high output alternator anyway so maybe it's time to start looking. Signature------------------------------------------ Laszlo Almasi ----Cool Toys (formerly Carolina Watercraft Works) ----Mack Daddy Trailers ----Ice Angels >> Well, so much for this thread. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > roy > This is the 3rd/4th battery. The first one (OEM) completely > crapped out quite some time ago. I replaced that with a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I have a charging issue. Been wanting a high output alternator > anyway so maybe it's time to start looking. That would be the direction I would go in before I threw anything at it. Gotta have a baseline. Roy > ------------------------------------------ > Laszlo Almasi [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >> roy Creeping up is usually a symptom of a severely discharged battery or a defective alternator but if it is reaching 14 volts, at that point the battery is getting all that it needs. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > This is the 3rd/4th battery. The first one (OEM) completely > crapped out quite some time ago. I replaced that with a [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > > > roy Well, you'll find out who is right or not when you do the tests and/or the repairs, Laszlo. I wish you luck. Budd > Well, so much for this thread. > [quoted text clipped - 244 lines] >>> >> >> >> >>> a hell of a long time. I'm thinking it is all hype. Any >>> >> >> >> >>> input? SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Will let you guys know what the diagnosis is. Signature------------------------------------------ Laszlo Almasi ----Cool Toys (formerly Carolina Watercraft Works) ----Mack Daddy Trailers ----Ice Angels > Well, you'll find out who is right or not when you do the tests and/or the > repairs, Laszlo. > > I wish you luck. > > Budd Thanks. I appreciate that. Budd > Will let you guys know what the diagnosis is. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >> Budd SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Ok, 74 amps at idle, 165 amps at 2500 rpm is the test result. Signature------------------------------------------ Laszlo Almasi ----Cool Toys (formerly Carolina Watercraft Works) ----Mack Daddy Trailers ----Ice Angels > Will let you guys know what the diagnosis is. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >> Budd Something is drawing a heck of a lot of current, or your regulator is gone south. Budd > Ok, 74 amps at idle, 165 amps at 2500 rpm is the test result. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >>> >>> Budd SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com I had everything turned off. I just returned from the dealer where I inquired about a few things related to the clock spring recall...and having a new steering wheel installed when they do that. And they brought up any other recalls that may need to be taken care of....well, something I haven't heard of came up. Recall number B04, power distribution center cable connection...part number CBS1B040. Could this have anything to do with my problem? It makes sense to do this first since it is free and then see what happens but it would be nice to know more about this recall. Signature------------------------------------------ Laszlo Almasi ----Cool Toys (formerly Carolina Watercraft Works) ----Mack Daddy Trailers ----Ice Angels > Something is drawing a heck of a lot of current, or your regulator is gone > south. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >>>> >>>> Budd I am not the one to answer that as I was just trying to answer a general battery problem you seemed to be having. Tom Lawrence would be more likely to be able to answer that part. Budd >I had everything turned off. I just returned from the dealer > where I inquired about a few things related to the clock [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >>>>> >>>>> Budd SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Ok, 74 amps at idle, 165 amps at 2500 rpm is the test result. are those numbers with a VAT 40 load test??? how steady did voltage stay? Signature---------------------------- -Chris 05 CTD 06 Liberty CRD Real Trucks don't NEED spark plugs. Not sure of the name of it but they performed the test at the Batteries Plus where I bought the battery. Trying to find out. Will let you know. Don't recall seeing any indicator of the voltage...just current which was as indicated. Signature------------------------------------------ Laszlo Almasi ----Cool Toys (formerly Carolina Watercraft Works) ----Mack Daddy Trailers ----Ice Angels >> Ok, 74 amps at idle, 165 amps at 2500 rpm is the test result. >> > are those numbers with a VAT 40 load test??? how steady did voltage stay? >> Ok, 74 amps at idle, 165 amps at 2500 rpm is the test result. >> > are those numbers with a VAT 40 load test??? how steady did voltage stay? Isn't VAT 40 about 30 years old now? That's what we were using before I got out of that racket. Remember the VAT 28? The inductive pickup on the 40 was a big deal to us. >>> Ok, 74 amps at idle, 165 amps at 2500 rpm is the test result. >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > got out of that racket. Remember the VAT 28? The inductive pickup on the > 40 was a big deal to us. yes the VAT 40 is old but it is a true resistive load test. these little micro junk things I'm not personally sure I entirely trust to diagnose an alternator. the VAT 28 is a little (well ok maybe more than a little) before my time. Signature---------------------------- -Chris 05 CTD 06 Liberty CRD Real Trucks don't NEED spark plugs. >>>> Ok, 74 amps at idle, 165 amps at 2500 rpm is the test result. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > the VAT 28 is a little (well ok maybe more than a little) before my time. Well, heck, check out this antique on eBag. I used some of these for several years before the vat 40 came out. http://tinyurl.com/y24c9o >Budd, you are one stupid a.shole and as usual, not man enough to admit to >even the simplest of errors. I can see why you got to where you are in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >increasing the resistance is a series circuit REDUCES current draw. I gotta >say that Roy has Buddism down flat. You would have better luck teaching nuclear physics to a bunch of retards. beekeep It feels exactly like that trying to explain anything to him. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > >Budd, you are one stupid a.shole and as usual, not man enough to admit to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > beekeep >And you were too long winded anyway, so I gnored it. Budds way of saying "It's way above my mental capacity!" >Tom, I don't care how you manipulate formulae to suit your pupose, you are >wrong, the battery will drain faster due to a heavier load, it will not [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Budd You better stick to religion because your electrical engineering is very lacking. T-bone is right. beekeep > Ok...lets talk about batteries since maybe this one is a turd. > It's an Optima with 870 CA, 750 CCA, 55 AH and 120 RC. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > What batteries have you guys used and what are your opinions. Was buying the wound cell batteries (Optima red top's) for my race cars. After two early deaths, I'm back to regular batteries. At least they don't cost $120 each. The problem I have is if they go completely dead, they don't want to come back. Look on their web site, they have some tips for bringing them back. Didn't work for me. Al > Ok...lets talk about batteries since maybe this one is a turd. > It's an Optima with 870 CA, 750 CCA, 55 AH and 120 RC. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > What batteries have you guys used and what are your opinions. Some years ago, Consumer Reports did a comparison of several batteries. At the that time, Interstate rated #1, with $ears DieHard rating #2. Exide was at the bottom. In the past 10 years, I've been buying Interstate and have had no complaints. I use a pair of their "Workaholic" group 27 units in my '77 D200. I understand they *used to* make batteries for $ears. Bryan Here is the math: 55AH battery. A high quality battery decays at about 15-20% per year in available (AH) Amp hours. You need about 20% of initial AH left to start truck, if it starts quickly. Flasher/stop/turn bulbs are 25 watts each while parking lights are 3 watts each. Say you have two bulbs in front and 2 each on each rear light assembly for a total of 6 bulbs flashing. 25x6=150 watts 150 watts/12 volts=12.5 amps when they are lit. If they are only lit 50% of the time then you have an average of 6.25 amps. Now assuming you did NOT leave the ignition on or the parking lights on and the battery is fully charged and battery is only a year old. 55AHx80%=44ah Need 20% to start =11ah So you have 33AH left 33ah/6.25a = 5.3 hours till it will not start truck. Since you said you have replaced the battery twice lately either your alternator is not furnishing enough current or the battery voltage during charge is too low to fully charge the battery or you have a high constant drain of something left on discharging the battery. Check the battery drain current with everything off it should be less than 0.030 amps. The battery voltage during charge should be 13.8 to 14.1 Volts at 70F with the voltage increasing at 0.020 volts per F degree below 70F. Check the alternator output under load. Something is wrong besides the battery. John F >Ok...lets talk about batteries since maybe this one is a turd. >It's an Optima with 870 CA, 750 CCA, 55 AH and 120 RC. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >What batteries have you guys used and what are your opinions. That's kind of what I figured as well. Signature------------------------------------------ Laszlo Almasi ----Cool Toys (formerly Carolina Watercraft Works) ----Mack Daddy Trailers ----Ice Angels > Here is the math: > 55AH battery. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >> >>What batteries have you guys used and what are your opinions. Ok, stopped to get my haircut today...friend stayed in truck listening to radio. 25 minutes...completely dead battery. Push it to start, make one quick 5 minute start and left motor running then completed the 15 minute trip home. Got the charger and set to 40 amps and charger read full and shut off. Set to 20 amps and charging commenced and continued. WTF is going on? I'm always bragging about my Ram and it never giving me problems....still will but I need to figure this out. Plan on getting that power cable recall done next week. Signature------------------------------------------ Laszlo Almasi ----Cool Toys (formerly Carolina Watercraft Works) ----Mack Daddy Trailers ----Ice Angels > That's kind of what I figured as well. >I seem to have an issue with my '01 2500 QC 4x4... > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > sake but I expected this brand new Odyssey battery to last > a hell of a long time. I'm thinking it is all hype. Any input? the simple answer to your question is not long. hazard flashers flash a total of 6 bulbs on the average vehicle. 2 front high intensity bulbs 2 rear high intensity bulbs and 2 side markers (found on most trucks on the side near the headlights I list these as I don't recall if the BR/BE has them or not) I can tell you from experience that when doing a alignment (you lock the brake pedal down) that the brake lights (just 2 of the 4 high intensity bulbs) it will very quickly, in about an hour or so in some cases, totally drain the battery. personally even in a gasser if I'm on the side of the road and have the hazards flashing the truck is in park, E-Brake on and idling. this was especially true when I was on the FD and had a light bar running. Signature---------------------------- -Chris 05 CTD 06 Liberty CRD Real Trucks don't NEED spark plugs. >>I seem to have an issue with my '01 2500 QC 4x4... >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > hazards flashing the truck is in park, E-Brake on and idling. this was > especially true when I was on the FD and had a light bar running. Yup, some of those light bar's will wipe a set of batteries like nothing else. I almost got screwed a few years ago with a bar and have used strobes since. Roy > ---------------------------- > -Chris > 05 CTD > 06 Liberty CRD > > Real Trucks don't NEED spark plugs. >> personally even in a gasser if I'm on the side of the road and have the >> hazards flashing the truck is in park, E-Brake on and idling. this was [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > else. I almost got screwed a few years ago with a bar and have used > strobes since. even a set of strobes is a lot of draw but not near like rotators. Signature---------------------------- -Chris 05 CTD 06 Liberty CRD Real Trucks don't NEED spark plugs. That's why a lot of law enforcement agencies are going to LED systems. Even out here in little ol' Moab. Sheriff Dept. just got 2 Hemi Charger pursuit units with LED light bars, State troopers are jealous ... they're still driving Fords. Budd >>> personally even in a gasser if I'm on the side of the road and have the >>> hazards flashing the truck is in park, E-Brake on and idling. this was [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> > even a set of strobes is a lot of draw but not near like rotators. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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