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Chuck Dubois - 22 Jan 2007 09:09 GMT I picked up some new headlights because the old ones had turned opaque. The bulbs sent with the headlights have a blue tinge and don't throw near enough light.
I need to find some good, bright, yellow halogen bulbs. What bulbs do you folks recommend? Ideally, I'd like to find something as bright (or brighter) than the typical Ford F150.
azwiley1 - 22 Jan 2007 16:18 GMT I run the Sylvania Silver Star bulbs in my truck and have never had a complaint. FYI white or blue light is brighter then yellow. Check out Sylvania's web site.
http://www.sylvania.com/ConsumerProducts/AutomotiveLighting/
>I picked up some new headlights because the old ones had turned opaque. > The bulbs sent with the headlights have a blue tinge and don't throw near [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > folks recommend? Ideally, I'd like to find something as bright (or > brighter) than the typical Ford F150. General Dog - 22 Jan 2007 23:13 GMT > I run the Sylvania Silver Star bulbs in my truck and have never had a > complaint. FYI white or blue light is brighter then yellow. Check out > Sylvania's web site. It's an illusion, white or blue doesn't mean brighter. I had Sylvania SilverStar bulbs for a while too. First I was impressed by the whiteness compared to standard bulbs, later by the *extremely* short life. Junk!
I went to WalMart hoping for GE Night Hawk, they had none, so I settled for Sylvania Xtravision.
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/blue/good/good.html is worth reading.
> http://www.sylvania.com/ConsumerProducts/AutomotiveLighting/ > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>folks recommend? Ideally, I'd like to find something as bright (or >>brighter) than the typical Ford F150. You don't say what year or model truck you have. The 4-bulb "Sport" headlights were a great swap for my '01 Ram 1500, much nicer than the original 2-bulb setup.
Nosey - 22 Jan 2007 23:48 GMT > It's an illusion, white or blue doesn't mean brighter. I had Sylvania > SilverStar bulbs for a while too. First I was impressed by the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/blue/good/good.html is > worth reading. I use Sylvania Xtravision bulbs and headlight relays. Very big improvement over factory equipment. The relays made the most noticable difference. I found Daniel Stern's blue headlight article interesting. Where has he been anyway? He hasn't posted anything here in a long time.
Headlight relays: http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/relays/relays.html
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Chuck Dubois - 23 Jan 2007 20:14 GMT >> It's an illusion, white or blue doesn't mean brighter. I had Sylvania >> SilverStar bulbs for a while too. First I was impressed by the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Headlight relays: > http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/relays/relays.html Looks like a great read. Thanks!
BigIronRam - 25 Jan 2007 16:06 GMT > I use Sylvania Xtravision bulbs and headlight relays. Very big improvement > over factory equipment. The relays made the most noticable difference. I > found Daniel Stern's blue headlight article interesting. Where has he been > anyway? He hasn't posted anything here in a long time.
> Ken I used some Sylvania Xtravision lights in my wife's '93 Ramchager. Remembering the '93 is "old tech" and uses the H 6054 lights. They were pretty good for a while but slowly, ever so slowly got dimmer and dimmer. Couldn't quite get a handle on what was wrong, even had the charging system checked. Finally took a long trip with a lot of night driving, it was almost like being blind, ran high beams all night got flashed once, it was probably someone behind me, can't remember. Anyway, got to our destination and I'm talking to my Dad about it and he says "bad ground", gotta be it, corrosion. Naw, we live in Texas, we're not sure what corrosion is. So we're sitting in the dining room looking at the front of several vehicles and it dawns on me, the lights in the Ram are dark, all the cars lights are bright looking. I've got spare lights in the truck in case one goes out so I decide to replace them. I get them out I'm holding one in my hands looking down on it and realize almost all the silvering is gone, I can see my hands through the light. They were both that way, I've NEVER seen silvering gone on a light except for junkyard excursions and only broken ones in really really old cars. I've never seen lights fail this way before. Now I'm back to GE lights in the older Rams.
So if you got this far you must have as much time on your hands as I do today :-)
Sorry to be so long winded today.
azwiley1 - 22 Jan 2007 23:54 GMT >> I run the Sylvania Silver Star bulbs in my truck and have never had a >> complaint. FYI white or blue light is brighter then yellow. Check out [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > SilverStar bulbs for a while too. First I was impressed by the whiteness > compared to standard bulbs, later by the *extremely* short life. Junk! Well, I can tell you from driving cross country repeatedly, that when I put the Silverstars in my truck, I had better clearity and illumination at night in areas where there was little to no light. As for longevity, I just replaced them after having been in there for 4 years. But whatever, to each his own.
> I went to WalMart hoping for GE Night Hawk, they had none, so I settled > for Sylvania Xtravision. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > headlights were a great swap for my '01 Ram 1500, much nicer than the > original 2-bulb setup. Mike Simmons - 23 Jan 2007 01:14 GMT >>> I run the Sylvania Silver Star bulbs in my truck and have never had a >>> complaint. FYI white or blue light is brighter then yellow. Check out [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > just replaced them after having been in there for 4 years. But whatever, > to each his own. Amen on the Silverstars! I am pleased with their performance and longevity. The one of the right sde is the original bulb since new (four+ years) and the one on the left has been replaced twice due to deer strikes.
Mike
>> I went to WalMart hoping for GE Night Hawk, they had none, so I settled >> for Sylvania Xtravision. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> headlights were a great swap for my '01 Ram 1500, much nicer than the >> original 2-bulb setup. Chris Thompson - 23 Jan 2007 02:19 GMT > the one on the left has been replaced twice due to deer strikes. > > Mike just because there's a deer near the highway or on it, doesn't mean you have to hit the poor thing mike!!
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Roy - 23 Jan 2007 03:02 GMT >> the one on the left has been replaced twice due to deer strikes. >> >> Mike > > just because there's a deer near the highway or on it, doesn't mean you > have to hit the poor thing mike!! Don't ya love it, can't hit with a gun, but give'em a truck and look out.
Roy
> ---------------------------- > -Chris > 05 CTD > 06 Liberty CRD > > Real Trucks don't NEED spark plugs. Mike Simmons - 23 Jan 2007 10:06 GMT >>> the one on the left has been replaced twice due to deer strikes. >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Roy Ahem!! Three fer three with the Marlin this year, and one fer one with the Dodge... and you were saying..... ?
;^)
Mike
>> ---------------------------- >> -Chris >> 05 CTD >> 06 Liberty CRD >> >> Real Trucks don't NEED spark plugs. Denny - 23 Jan 2007 10:24 GMT >>>> the one on the left has been replaced twice due to deer strikes. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Ahem!! Three fer three with the Marlin this year, and one fer one with > the Dodge... and you were saying..... ? Marlin?!? <gasp> Winchester all the way!!! <VBG>
Denny
Mike Simmons - 23 Jan 2007 23:12 GMT >>>>> the one on the left has been replaced twice due to deer strikes. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Denny Winchesters were fine firearms. My son has a sweet 9410 that he loves. Too bad they quit US production.
Mike
azwiley1 - 23 Jan 2007 23:19 GMT > > Ahem!! Three fer three with the Marlin this year, and one fer one with > > the Dodge... and you were saying..... ?Marlin?!? <gasp> Winchester all the way!!! <VBG> What's wrong with Marlin??? I wish I still had my old Marlin 444, I loved shooting that thing
Denny - 24 Jan 2007 02:29 GMT >> > Ahem!! Three fer three with the Marlin this year, and one fer one with >> > the Dodge... and you were saying..... ?Marlin?!? <gasp> Winchester all >> > the way!!! <VBG> > > What's wrong with Marlin??? I wish I still had my old Marlin 444, I > loved shooting that thing Not a damned thing wrong with Marlin. I just like fucken with you guys..... Remember I'm sweet and innocent... <BG>
Denny
azwiley1 - 24 Jan 2007 02:33 GMT >>> > Ahem!! Three fer three with the Marlin this year, and one fer one >>> > with [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Denny Look here Wabbit!! You want to be stuffed and on some ones mantel?
Roy - 24 Jan 2007 02:38 GMT >>>> > Ahem!! Three fer three with the Marlin this year, and one fer one >>>> > with [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Look here Wabbit!! You want to be stuffed and on some ones mantel? Hell he's so overstuffed it would take a Lull to raise him.
azwiley1 - 24 Jan 2007 02:52 GMT > Hell he's so overstuffed it would take a Lull to raise him. Is that a nice way of saying that NO ONE makes a mantel big enough for wide ride? <VFBG>
Roy - 24 Jan 2007 03:37 GMT >> Hell he's so overstuffed it would take a Lull to raise him. > > Is that a nice way of saying that NO ONE makes a mantel big enough for > wide ride? <VFBG> I was just suggesting a piece of equipment to get him off the ground. I wasn't really thinking about the size or the strength of anything to hold wide ride. But I think you should probably hire a good engineering firm to work up the design. <GBFG>
Denny - 24 Jan 2007 11:18 GMT >>> Hell he's so overstuffed it would take a Lull to raise him. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > firm to work up the design. > <GBFG> Just think of the good that I'm doing for the economy...getting all those moldy $$$ out flowing again. Engineering consultants don't come cheap....
Denny
Chris Thompson - 24 Jan 2007 07:36 GMT > Look here Wabbit!! You want to be stuffed and on some ones mantel? now that's one hell of a mantel!
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General Dog - 23 Jan 2007 10:30 GMT >>>I run the Sylvania Silver Star bulbs in my truck and have never had a >>>complaint. FYI white or blue light is brighter then yellow. Check out [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > replaced them after having been in there for 4 years. But whatever, to each > his own. My first Silver Star burnout came after just one year, and I hardly used them. There used to be a chart somewhere, I think on Sylvania's own site, that listed life expectancy of their various bulbs. The Silver Star's hours were much less than Xtravision or any of the other bulbs.
Mike Simmons - 23 Jan 2007 23:10 GMT >>>>I run the Sylvania Silver Star bulbs in my truck and have never had a >>>>complaint. FYI white or blue light is brighter then yellow. Check out [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > listed life expectancy of their various bulbs. The Silver Star's hours > were much less than Xtravision or any of the other bulbs. I believe you are correct.... it seems I also saw somewhere that Sylvania warns you that the Silverstars aren't as long lived as their other bulbs, but four years ain't bad for the extra light output.
Mike
azwiley1 - 23 Jan 2007 23:17 GMT > My first Silver Star burnout came after just one year, and I hardly used > > them. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > warns you that the Silverstars aren't as long lived as their other bulbs, > but four years ain't bad for the extra light output. Four years for lights that were almost ALWAYS on is something that I would not complain about. I hated that damn auto daytime running light set up on the Silvy, but at least on mine, when you disable it (by removing the bulb) it turns your heads on, all the time. They have been great for me, love the fact that I can see VERY well at night in the desert, so I won't change.
General Dog - 24 Jan 2007 07:03 GMT > > My first Silver Star burnout came after just one year, and I hardly > used [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > been great for me, love the fact that I can see VERY well at night in > the desert, so I won't change. Excerpts from Daniel Stern's Blue Bulb page:
"The cost? Bulb lifetime. The filament changes made to produce enough extra light that the bulb will still be legal despite the blue-filtration losses mean the filament's lifespan is shortened considerably."
"The Sylvania SilverStar bulbs have a very short lifetime, because the filament is overdriven to get a legal amount of light despite the blue glass."
I think my light circuit upgrade, with relays and shorter heavier wires routed more directly from battery to bulbs, did away with a lot of voltage loss present in the stock circuit. The overdriven Silver Stars won't live long under full power, but I would never have known with the stock wiring. I'd just be impressed that my voltage-starved Silver Stars were shining noticeably brighter than my voltage-starved stock bulbs did.
Since the upgrade, the Xtravisions have already surpassed the poor Silver Stars' meager lifetime. And the truck's original 6-year-old 9004 bulbs are doing fine as inboard High Beams.
azwiley1 - 25 Jan 2007 01:18 GMT > Since the upgrade, the Xtravisions have already surpassed the poor Silver > Stars' meager lifetime. And the truck's original 6-year-old 9004 bulbs are > doing fine as inboard High Beams. Well, I guess since I don't drive a Dodge, I drive a Silvy that was factory with the dual headlight set up and I use the 9005 & 9006 series bulbs, I don't have to worry about anything. I guess it just boils down to using what ever works for you. Shame though, that Dodge had such a poor design on the head lights.
General Dog - 25 Jan 2007 04:34 GMT >>Since the upgrade, the Xtravisions have already surpassed the poor Silver >>Stars' meager lifetime. And the truck's original 6-year-old 9004 bulbs are [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > what ever works for you. Shame though, that Dodge had such a poor design on > the head lights. It's a shame you missed the point. When your Silver Stars last for 4 years, that doesn't indicate that your Chevy has a nice light circuit design. It indicates that you're spending watts to heat up wires instead of filaments.
azwiley1 - 25 Jan 2007 05:42 GMT >>>Since the upgrade, the Xtravisions have already surpassed the poor Silver >>>Stars' meager lifetime. And the truck's original 6-year-old 9004 bulbs [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > design. It indicates that you're spending watts to heat up wires instead > of filaments. I didn't miss anything. You are quoting that because of the design of the bulb, it has a shorter life span. Compared to what? It's a freaking light bulb, how damn long is it suppose to last? If is it lasting me 4 or more years and a cost of 40 bucks for a set of two, how is this a problem?
Also, if you were to read his site a little closer, he is using that H1 bulb as a reference, which is a bulb that is not on my Silvy, but even if it were, a long life bulb (per the site) is rated at 1200 life hours. You don't think that in a four year period, 1200hr life hours is not exceeded? Again, how long (in years) should it last?
Another thing that I don't see any reference to on his site, is where you get the notion that I am "heating up wires" All that it states is that "The Sylvania SilverStar bulbs have a very short lifetime, because the filament is overdriven to get a legal amount of light despite the blue glass." I believe you are making an assumption here, based off the "upgrades" you made to your vehicle and trying to compare them in retrospect to mine. Sorry, but the light circuitry on our vehicles are vastly different and just because something is one way on yours does not mean the same for me.
General Dog - 25 Jan 2007 10:05 GMT >>>>Since the upgrade, the Xtravisions have already surpassed the poor Silver >>>>Stars' meager lifetime. And the truck's original 6-year-old 9004 bulbs [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I didn't miss anything. You are quoting that because of the design of the > bulb, it has a shorter life span. Compared to what? Compared to Sylvania's own Xtravision bulb, for example. Putting blue tint on the Silver Star glass has to cost something - either brightness, or life, or a little of both.
> It's a freaking light > bulb, how damn long is it suppose to last? If is it lasting me 4 or more > years and a cost of 40 bucks for a set of two, how is this a problem? For you, it's not much of a problem. A four year life, rather than 6 or perhaps 8, is still very reasonable. And you like the whiteness more than you want a few more years of bulb life. I probably would have remained happy with mine too in the original higher-resistance circuit.
> Also, if you were to read his site a little closer, he is using that H1 bulb > as a reference, which is a bulb that is not on my Silvy, but even if it > were, a long life bulb (per the site) is rated at 1200 life hours. You > don't think that in a four year period, 1200hr life hours is not exceeded? > Again, how long (in years) should it last? Four years is enough. Silver Stars aren't going to live 4 years in a good circuit.
> Another thing that I don't see any reference to on his site, is where you > get the notion that I am "heating up wires" Your heating up everything that has electrical resistance. If you dim your dashboard lights, you may notice that the dimmer switch gets warmer. Same phenomenon. Ask Nosey. Read Stern's page about relays. http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/relays/relays.html
> All that it states is that "The > Sylvania SilverStar bulbs have a very short lifetime, because the filament [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > but the light circuitry on our vehicles are vastly different and just > because something is one way on yours does not mean the same for me. It means exactly the same for both of us. Power (watts) is dissipated across a voltage drop. Your Silver Stars last acceptably long because resistance in the rest of the circuit is reducing voltage at the bulbs.
Nosey - 25 Jan 2007 14:36 GMT > Your heating up everything that has electrical resistance. If you dim > your dashboard lights, you may notice that the dimmer switch gets > warmer. Same phenomenon. > Ask Nosey. Read Stern's page about relays. No need to ask me anything. I think azwiley1 knows more about electricity than the both of us.
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General Dog - 25 Jan 2007 21:27 GMT >>Your heating up everything that has electrical resistance. If you dim >>your dashboard lights, you may notice that the dimmer switch gets [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > No need to ask me anything. I think azwiley1 knows more about electricity > than the both of us. Doubtful...
"Have you measured the resistance levels on the Silvy's lighting circuit?"
He apparently thinks Chevy and Dodge can each use different versions of Ohms Law.
"Do you know what the resistance levels are on each of the four bulbs? I know I don't off the top of my head as I have never had a reason to measure it."
It needs to be calculated, but he apparently thinks you can get something meaningful by measuring the resistance across a cold bulb.
azwiley1 - 26 Jan 2007 00:08 GMT >>>Your heating up everything that has electrical resistance. If you dim >>>your dashboard lights, you may notice that the dimmer switch gets [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Doubtful... What ever, little do you know about me or my back ground.
> "Have you measured the resistance levels on the Silvy's lighting circuit?" > > He apparently thinks Chevy and Dodge can each use different versions of > Ohms Law. No, I don't think that, nor did I imply that. I did ask you though if you knew the resistance of the Silvy lighting circuit, which you did not answer. Obviously you don't know. Stock for stock how do you know that the resistance in your Ram was not equal to, greater or less then that of my Chevy? You don't. So to imply that the resistance of my lighting circuit is as restrictive as you seem to be implying, is ludacris. You can't substanciate it. Wire gauge, wire run lenght, relays, etc all factor into the resistance level of the circuit, but gee, you should know that right?
> "Do you know what the resistance levels are on each of the four bulbs? I > know I don't off the top of my head as I have never had a reason to > measure it." > > It needs to be calculated, but he apparently thinks you can get something > meaningful by measuring the resistance across a cold bulb. Where did I ever state anything about measuring a bulb, warm or cold? I stated just want you left in place above. So please don't put words where they are not. My point, which you apparently over looked or missed (you must be practicing Buddism!) is that you (nor I) know the resistance of the lighting circuit on the Silvy. Which means, that to back up your statements concerning bulb life, heating of the wires, et all., are not substantiated. You are making assumptions not verified statements.
Pointing back to Dan's website. Have you (or anyone) ever ask how he verified his data? Not saying it is not correct, but was the data complied from manufactures, from a test bench, from real world applications or from all of the mentioned?
General Dog - 26 Jan 2007 06:30 GMT >>>>Your heating up everything that has electrical resistance. If you dim >>>>your dashboard lights, you may notice that the dimmer switch gets [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > What ever, little do you know about me or my back ground. You're the guy who installs car stereos, right?
>>"Have you measured the resistance levels on the Silvy's lighting circuit?" >> >>He apparently thinks Chevy and Dodge can each use different versions of >>Ohms Law. > > No, I don't think that, nor did I imply that. I did ask you though if you Here's where you implied it: "Sorry, but the light circuitry on our vehicles are vastly different and just because something is one way on yours does not mean the same for me."
My own light circuitry is also vastly different than it used to be. So? I can still compare the two. And based on your impressive 4-year Silver Star bulb life, I can pretty well guess that your factory Chevy wiring is comparable to factory Dodge wiring.
> knew the resistance of the Silvy lighting circuit, which you did not answer. > Obviously you don't know. Stock for stock how do you know that the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > substanciate it. Wire gauge, wire run lenght, relays, etc all factor into > the resistance level of the circuit, but gee, you should know that right? I should know it, I do know it, that's why I've been chattering about wire gauge, and length, and relays, and amps heating up light switches.
>>"Do you know what the resistance levels are on each of the four bulbs? I >>know I don't off the top of my head as I have never had a reason to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > stated just want you left in place above. So please don't put words where > they are not. You stated that you never had a reason to measure it.
"I have never had a reason to measure it."
You can't measure the resistance of operating light bulbs. And there's no need for us to know what it is anyway.
> My point, which you apparently over looked or missed (you > must be practicing Buddism!) is that you (nor I) know the resistance of the > lighting circuit on the Silvy. Which means, that to back up your statements > concerning bulb life, heating of the wires, et all., are not substantiated. > You are making assumptions not verified statements. My statements concerning bulb life, heating of the wires, et al aren't theories.
> Pointing back to Dan's website. Have you (or anyone) ever ask how he > verified his data? Not saying it is not correct, but was the data complied > from manufactures, from a test bench, from real world applications or from > all of the mentioned? He distrusts manufacturers' hype.
Looking around Sylvania's site, I found this: http://tinyurl.com/29sukn
Line No. 1 - Standard Line No. 2 - Cool Blue Line No. 3 - Long Life Line No. 4 - ? Line No. 5 - SilverStar Line No. 6 - Xtravision
Surprisingly, SilverStar is rated 10 hours better than Xtravision on High Beam. But SilverStar is by far the lowest on Low Beam. Neither is particularly long lived though.
So based on a 150 hour expected life at 12.8 volts, and considering mine burned out in a year, and considering you drive a *lot* at night and yours lasted 4 years, you really think your bulbs are getting close to their full 12.8 volts? I certainly don't.
azwiley1 - 25 Jan 2007 15:07 GMT > For you, it's not much of a problem. A four year life, rather than 6 or > perhaps 8, is still very reasonable. And you like the whiteness more than > you want a few more years of bulb life. I probably would have remained > happy with mine too in the original higher-resistance circuit. But see here, you are comparing the high resistance Dodge lighting circuit to your own Dodge "low resistance" modified circuit and then trying to make a direct comparision to my Silvy's lighting circuit. Have you measured the resistance levels on the Silvy's lighting circuit? Do you know what the resistance levels are on each of the four bulbs? I know I don't off the top of my head as I have never had a reason to measure it.
Ok, you had a "bad" experience with the SilverStars. In your set up they don't seem to last long, no problem. However, there is no way that one can reasonably say that the other bulbs would infact last the 6 or 8 years you state. Are they classed as a longer life bulb, sure, but this is subjective to the vehicles, the amount they are used and other enviormental factors (like Mike's deer hunting truck <BG>
>> Also, if you were to read his site a little closer, he is using that H1 >> bulb as a reference, which is a bulb that is not on my Silvy, but even if [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Four years is enough. Silver Stars aren't going to live 4 years in a good > circuit. Again, do you have specific knowledge of the lighting circuit in the Silvy?
>> Another thing that I don't see any reference to on his site, is where you >> get the notion that I am "heating up wires" > > Your heating up everything that has electrical resistance. True, to a point.
If you dim your
> dashboard lights, you may notice that the dimmer switch gets warmer. Same > phenomenon. Never have I had such a problem. As an FYI, I do most of my driving in the dark, to and from work daily (1.5 hrs each way (which sucks)) and have made three or four cross country trips from AZ to NY and back for which the lights were always on. Not at one time did I have anything even get remotely warm from anything other then the heater.
Not saying that it can't happen but that it has never happen in my truck.
> Ask Nosey. Read Stern's page about relays. > http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/relays/relays.html [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > across a voltage drop. Your Silver Stars last acceptably long because > resistance in the rest of the circuit is reducing voltage at the bulbs. Again, do you have specific knowledge of the lighting circuit in the Silvy?
BigIronRam - 25 Jan 2007 15:52 GMT >> Since the upgrade, the Xtravisions have already surpassed the poor Silver >> Stars' meager lifetime. And the truck's original 6-year-old 9004 bulbs [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > to using what ever works for you. Shame though, that Dodge had such a > poor design on the head lights. While I don't remember the year of your Chevy, in the late 90's if you got the standard Cheyenne trim level you got the old H 6054 lights. Somewhat equivalant to the standard Dodge lights vs. the sport lights? But even with that said it's inexcusable to have to pay extra to get adequate lighting. I think the original Intrepid lights were even worse.
azwiley1 - 25 Jan 2007 16:26 GMT >>> Since the upgrade, the Xtravisions have already surpassed the poor >>> Silver Stars' meager lifetime. And the truck's original 6-year-old 9004 [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > with that said it's inexcusable to have to pay extra to get adequate > lighting. I think the original Intrepid lights were even worse. It's a new body style 99 Silvy. This is when Chevy started changing from the C/K series (back) to the Silverado line, there was no Cheyenne package available. It's the Silverado with the LS or LT packaging at a few different levels.
I do agree with you 100% though, it is a shame that we have to pay for better lighting because the manufactures will not flip the bill and put them in. If the European makers can, including Benz, you would think that at least Chrysler would.
Chuck Dubois - 23 Jan 2007 20:13 GMT
> You don't say what year or model truck you have. The 4-bulb "Sport" > headlights were a great swap for my '01 Ram 1500, much nicer than the > original 2-bulb setup. This is for a '96 2500. Are the '96 2500 Sport model headlights better than the regular model stock units?
General Dog - 23 Jan 2007 21:05 GMT > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > This is for a '96 2500. Are the '96 2500 Sport model headlights better > than the regular model stock units? Yes, but I changed to Sport headlights + relays + 10-gauge wiring + Silver Star bulbs all at once so I can't say how much improvement is attributable to what.
I think any year Sport headlight will fit any year of 2nd-generation truck, with a minor bit of plastic trimming necessary to fit earlier Sport light brackets on later model trucks. Alternately, it looked to me like the standard light brackets could be trimmed to accept Sport headlight shells.
Daniel Stern supplied my "RIK-RAM" relay kit, Sport headlights came from eBay. I went to Radio Shack for spiral wire wrap for a tidy mouse-resistant harness, and a plastic Project Box that I mounted atop the factory fuse box to house the new relays. 10-gauge wires were a struggle, I'd use #12 if I had to do it again.
Here's my headlight circuit: http://tinyurl.com/2mmqeq And... it works! I think the switch on the dash runs cooler too, without the heavy amps running through it.
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