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1999 Ram 1500...lots of problems!!

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atcgirly - 26 Jan 2007 04:26 GMT
I’m ready to take my hubby’s truck to the dump!! He is currently
deployed and I am left to take care of this truck. The ABS light is
on, the brake light is on, and now the speedometer is going crazy!!
Can any of you guys/gals give me insight on what may be the problem?
Do I need to take it somewhere to have it put on the diagnostic
machine? Should I just take it to the dealer and pay them too much
money? Ugh...

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Yabahoobs - 26 Jan 2007 04:35 GMT
Well...they're not all going at once...if they did, that would suggest
they're all on the same circuit, and failure is happening behind that.
So hopefully it's not a faulty computer...

Regardless, electrical issues are pretty tough to deal with.  Probably
best to take it to your local Dodge dealership.
SnoMan - 26 Jan 2007 04:55 GMT
>Regardless, electrical issues are pretty tough to deal with.  Probably
>best to take it to your local Dodge dealership.

Or trade it. I know this sounds cruel but Dodges can be a pill about
thess kinds of problems sometimes. Each brand has its quirks and Dodge
seems to have more than its fair sure of these kind when they get
older sometimes. It will not be cheap to trouble shoot and repair at a
dealer so hold on to your checkbook.
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Yabahoobs - 26 Jan 2007 05:41 GMT
Good Point...I've learned this the hardway.
Denny - 26 Jan 2007 11:21 GMT
>>Regardless, electrical issues are pretty tough to deal with.  Probably
>>best to take it to your local Dodge dealership.
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> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com

You're such a moron. I really hope people are smart enough to not listen to
you...

To the OP, there is a speed sensor that goes in the top of the rear
differential that when it goes bad it'll cause all three of you problems.
Have them change the connector also when they put the sensor in.

Denny
SnoMan - 26 Jan 2007 15:29 GMT
>You're such a moron. I really hope people are smart enough to not listen to
>you...

You do mean not listen to you and your lack of maturity right? Dodges
are know for these kinda of problems and unless you have your head in
the sand you would know about it. This is not about picking on a Dodge
because I point out quirks with GM's and Fords too. Like GM is well
known for piston slap issues on modular engines (especail some 5.3's)
and intale manifold gasket issues on vortec small block engines
(desingn flaw) and Ford using wrong style plugs and torque on 5.4's
and 6.8's with aluminum heads that can loosen up and strip and blow
out from rattling around and flame cutting. Best way to deal with it
is to avoid trouble prone vehicle and model regardless of who makes
then rather than pouring more money into them.  
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Tom Lawrence - 26 Jan 2007 18:16 GMT
> You do mean not listen to you and your lack of maturity right?

No, I'm pretty sure Denny meant that people should not listen to you and
your inane drivel.  I would concur with that assessment whole-heartedly.

> Dodges are know for these kinda of problems

Agreed...  sort of.  I don't know if I'd go so far as to say they're "known
for it", but it is a very common problem.  One with a very simple solution,
that doesn't necessitate throwing the baby out with the bathwater, so to
speak.

> the sand you would know about it. This is not about picking on a Dodge
> because I point out quirks with GM's and Fords too.

Sure - just like we all point out your quirks, errors, mis-statements, and
general lack of knowledge on various subjects.  We're building quite a
list...

> is to avoid trouble prone vehicle and model regardless of who makes
> then rather than pouring more money into them.

In cases of chronic problems, you may be right.  But, in this case, the OP
has a bad wheel speed sensor - which she can cure for less than $50.  Your
advice to trade the vehicle is SO over the top stupid, that I have trouble
believing anyone would suggest such....  then I look at the person
suggesting it, and it all makes perfect sense.
Denny - 26 Jan 2007 23:11 GMT
>>You're such a moron. I really hope people are smart enough to not listen
>>to
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> are know for these kinda of problems and unless you have your head in
> the sand you would know about it.

Nope. No head in sand problem with me but I do know the OP's problem has
been well documented before and there is no need to trade in the truck over
a simple speed sensor/connector problem. Just out of curiosity, if it were
your truck with the described problem, would you put in a speed
sensor/connector or would you trade in the truck??? I would really like an
honest answer to this.

This is not about picking on a Dodge
> because I point out quirks with GM's and Fords too. Like GM is well
> known for piston slap issues on modular engines (especail some 5.3's)
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> is to avoid trouble prone vehicle and model regardless of who makes
> then rather than pouring more money into them.

They all have their problem areas. How would you ever drive a vehical of any
type that didn't have a problem??

Denny

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Tom Lawrence - 26 Jan 2007 12:21 GMT
> Or trade it. I know this sounds cruel but Dodges can be a pill about
> thess kinds of problems sometimes.

You are SUCH a moron....  trade away a truck because a $30 sensor went bad,
that takes 5 minutes to change.
atcgirly - 26 Jan 2007 19:25 GMT
You guys seem to know a LOT more about this stuff than I ever will.
Would it be better for me to take it to the dealor or my garage guy?
Your guidance is greatly appreciated! I hate to take it somewhere just
to get taken to the cleaners because I am a woman

> > Or trade it. I know this sounds cruel but Dodges can be a
> pill about
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> sensor went bad,
> that takes 5 minutes to change.

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Tom Lawrence - 26 Jan 2007 19:38 GMT
> You guys seem to know a LOT more about this stuff than I ever will.
> Would it be better for me to take it to the dealor or my garage guy?
> Your guidance is greatly appreciated! I hate to take it somewhere just
> to get taken to the cleaners because I am a woman.

Your garage guy.  You can help him out if you pick up the part yourself.  Go
to your dodge dealer, and tell them you want a rear wheel speed sensor for
your truck.  If they ask, tell them it's the one that goes in the rear
differential.  It should be around $35-$40.

Take that to your local mechanic, and ask him to change it for you.  He can
probably do it right in the parking lot.  It's literally a matter of
unplugging an electrical connector, removing one bolt, pulling the old
sensor out, putting the new one in, tighten the bolt, and plug the connector
back in.
Ed H. - 27 Jan 2007 01:59 GMT
Before you buy one, I'll send you one free as a small thanks to your
husband's service to our country.  If you live within a one way 12 hour
drive of the central coast of California, I'll drive there, with the tools
neccesary to install it.  I only ask that you let me park in your driveway
or on the street for the night. Reply to my email address if I can help
edo.hart@verizon.net.  God bless you, and your husband!

> You guys seem to know a LOT more about this stuff than I ever will.
> Would it be better for me to take it to the dealor or my garage guy?
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> > sensor went bad,
> > that takes 5 minutes to change.
Dave Young - 27 Jan 2007 14:44 GMT
Darned decent of you Ed....

> Before you buy one, I'll send you one free as a small thanks to your
> husband's service to our country.  If you live within a one way 12 hour
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>>>sensor went bad,
>>>that takes 5 minutes to change.
Bob M - 27 Jan 2007 16:16 GMT
> Before you buy one, I'll send you one free as a small thanks to your
> husband's service to our country.  If you live within a one way 12 hour
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>>>sensor went bad,
>>>that takes 5 minutes to change.

 Ed that's a wonderful offer. I wish more people would show their
appreciation like you do. If the OP is in the DFW area I will fix the
truck for her also.

Bob
Ed H. - 27 Jan 2007 17:42 GMT
"Support or Troops" is more than just a phrase for me.  That's why I
regularly donate to such organizations as:
Navy-Marine Corps Relief Society - http://www.nmcrs.org/
Army Emergency Relief - http://www.aerhq.org/
USO - http://www.uso.org/

And, I've been known to anonymously buy lunch of dinner for soldiers in
uniform at a restaurant.  It's really cool to see the look of pride on their
faces and watch them walk out about 10 feet tall.

>> Before you buy one, I'll send you one free as a small thanks to your
>> husband's service to our country.  If you live within a one way 12 hour
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> Bob
Roy - 26 Jan 2007 14:06 GMT
>>Regardless, electrical issues are pretty tough to deal with.  Probably
>>best to take it to your local Dodge dealership.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> older sometimes. It will not be cheap to trouble shoot and repair at a
> dealer so hold on to your checkbook.

Where do I start? You are such a a.shole! There is no other way to say it.
It is what it is.
You just blow me away! As old as I am, with the tons of people I know and
work with, you by far have to be one of, if not the most stupid people I
have come across. Not ignorant, friggin stupid!

I suppose for one with such limited knowledge as you have shown in this and
other groups/forums trading the truck would be the ONLY thing left for you
to do. Surely you'd never be able to fix it.

I've one question, no, it is not about the V10. Really be truthful, are you
able to feed yourself?
(Shut up Rabbit.)

Hey Rabbit! when you and I get together in a few months maybe we can check
out this fool. He's just down the road from ya. Hell, he should be easy to
find. There has to be a huge sign in front of his house that says "STUPID
LIVES HERE!"

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Nosey - 26 Jan 2007 14:25 GMT
> Hey Rabbit! when you and I get together in a few months maybe we can
> check out this fool. He's just down the road from ya. Hell, he should
> be easy to find. There has to be a huge sign in front of his house
> that says "STUPID LIVES HERE!"

If there isn't a sign maybe you could put one there.
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Denny - 26 Jan 2007 23:17 GMT
>>>Regardless, electrical issues are pretty tough to deal with.  Probably
>>>best to take it to your local Dodge dealership.
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> find. There has to be a huge sign in front of his house that says "STUPID
> LIVES HERE!"

You'll be coming by his place as you come north. You can stop and bond a
bit. Maybe even go out for dinner so I don't have to feed you so much..

Denny

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>> TheStupidAnswerMan.com
Roy - 27 Jan 2007 00:33 GMT
>>>>Regardless, electrical issues are pretty tough to deal with.  Probably
>>>>best to take it to your local Dodge dealership.
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
> Denny

I'm sure I'll find it, the sign is probably iluminated.

>>> -----------------
>>> TheStupidAnswerMan.com
Roy - 27 Jan 2007 15:35 GMT
>>>>Regardless, electrical issues are pretty tough to deal with.  Probably
>>>>best to take it to your local Dodge dealership.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>>> -----------------
>>> TheStupidAnswerMan.com

>> Where do I start? You are such a a.shole! There is no other way to say
>> it. It is what it is.
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Denny

Now that I ponder this a bit, it comes to me that perhaps after a winter
full of him telling you how to plow snow you and he will become real close.
Actually you are about neighbors aren't ya?
Could be a sequel to "brokeback mountain", perhaps "bent over the
snowplow"!!
<GBMFG>

Roy
Denny - 27 Jan 2007 16:51 GMT
> Now that I ponder this a bit, it comes to me that perhaps after a winter
> full of him telling you how to plow snow you and he will become real
> close.

So far he hasn't given me any type of plow advise. I almost wish he would
just so we could add another chapter to the book. Was it this group or the
chevy group where he was giving tire recommendations for plowing?? That was
some good reading also.

> Actually you are about neighbors aren't ya?

Relativly speaking...maybe. He's about a hour/hour and a half south of me.
That makes him more of a neighbor that say you or Red but he's still well
out of rifle range.

> Could be a sequel to "brokeback mountain", perhaps "bent over the
> snowplow"!!

One of us would leave a better man, just can't decide who.....   <BG>

Denny

> <GBMFG>
>
> Roy
Larry Crites - 27 Jan 2007 17:32 GMT
I've got a Mortar you could borrow. We've got some Howitzers here in the
high country, also.

Larry
Behold Beware Believe

>> Now that I ponder this a bit, it comes to me that perhaps after a winter
>> full of him telling you how to plow snow you and he will become real
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>>
>> Roy

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Denny - 27 Jan 2007 18:26 GMT
> I've got a Mortar you could borrow. We've got some Howitzers here in the
> high country, also.
>
> Larry
> Behold Beware Believe

I'm not quite sure I'd know what to do with either one of 'em but I'm sure
I'd be smiling trying to figure it out...<VBG>

Denny
Roy - 28 Jan 2007 03:49 GMT
>> Now that I ponder this a bit, it comes to me that perhaps after a winter
>> full of him telling you how to plow snow you and he will become real
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> chevy group where he was giving tire recommendations for plowing?? That
> was some good reading also.

The other he was off about how wonderful studds were.

>> Actually you are about neighbors aren't ya?
>
> Relativly speaking...maybe. He's about a hour/hour and a half south of me.
> That makes him more of a neighbor that say you or Red but he's still well
> out of rifle range.

Barrett?

>> Could be a sequel to "brokeback mountain", perhaps "bent over the
>> snowplow"!!
>
> One of us would leave a better man, just can't decide who.....   <BG>

Or a happy man<G>

Roy
> Denny
>
>> <GBMFG>
>>
>> Roy
atcgirly - 26 Jan 2007 19:25 GMT
Junk yard is sounding good!! LO

> On 25 Jan 2007 20:35:59 -0800, "Yabahoobs"
> <chendrikson@gmail.com>
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Nosey - 26 Jan 2007 19:54 GMT
> Junk yard is sounding good!! LOL

If you do decide to get rid of it (I hope you don't for this problem) find
out what the "auto recycler" will give you for it, then give us first shot
at it. I'd bet someone here would buy it from you for more than what a junk
yard would pay you. If the dash isn't cracked I'd buy that from you. ;^)

Anybody know why there are three Re:'s in the subject line? Is it a glitch
in Forte Free Agent or is it operator error?
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Roy - 26 Jan 2007 20:57 GMT
>> Junk yard is sounding good!! LOL
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Anybody know why there are three Re:'s in the subject line? Is it a glitch
> in Forte Free Agent or is it operator error?

Reply reply reply

> Ken
General Dog - 26 Jan 2007 22:02 GMT
>>Anybody know why there are three Re:'s in the subject line? Is it a glitch
>>in Forte Free Agent or is it operator error?
>
> Reply reply reply

It all started with SnoMan's post. My newsreader shows Re: three times in
the subject of the message content pane, but shows it just once in the
thread pane, and once in this composition window.
Bob M - 27 Jan 2007 15:48 GMT
>>Junk yard is sounding good!! LOL
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Anybody know why there are three Re:'s in the subject line? Is it a glitch
> in Forte Free Agent or is it operator error?

Yup I would buy it. I need a truck.

Bob
Bob M - 27 Jan 2007 15:43 GMT
>>Regardless, electrical issues are pretty tough to deal with.  Probably
>>best to take it to your local Dodge dealership.
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> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com

 And you need to trade in your computer. Or maybe your brain if all the
spelling errors are actually coming from you. Most idiots  try to
correct thier issues but you just keep on posting to the world how
stupid you really are.

Bob
Martin - 01 Feb 2007 19:22 GMT
> Well...they're not all going at once...if they did, that would suggest
> they're all on the same circuit, and failure is happening behind that.
> So hopefully it's not a faulty computer...
>
> Regardless, electrical issues are pretty tough to deal with.  Probably
> best to take it to your local Dodge dealership.

In my 2003, those things ARE on the same circuit, so it may just be a
fuse.  On my truck, if you're standing in front with the cover off the
fuse box, it's the fourth one from the right (driver's side) on the
front row.

If this fuse blows, the ABS stops working, the speedo stops working,
and the warning lights you mention all come on.  Additionally, the A/C
condenser fan (under the hood near the radiator) turns on and runs
when it's not supposed to be running.

I've heard that some guys who race their trucks pull this fuse to
temporarily block the top-speed limiter by disabling the speedo.
Could it be your husband did this before he left, and either (1)
forgot to replace it, (2) accidentally put it back in one of the empty
fuseholder positions, or (3) was in a hurry and didn't push it in all
the way?

Martin
Chris Thompson - 26 Jan 2007 04:45 GMT
change the rear wheel speed sensor located on top of the diff in the rear
axle.

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> I'm ready to take my hubby's truck to the dump!! He is currently
> deployed and I am left to take care of this truck. The ABS light is
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> machine? Should I just take it to the dealer and pay them too much
> money? Ugh...
GeekBoy - 26 Jan 2007 06:03 GMT
> change the rear wheel speed sensor located on top of the diff in the rear
> axle.

Added note...

Careful to try not break it.. It is plastic it will be sticky in the hole
from years of dirt.
If it does break it will take a while to pull the broken piece out of the
hole.
needle nose pliers wil be needed.

>> I'm ready to take my hubby's truck to the dump!! He is currently
>> deployed and I am left to take care of this truck. The ABS light is
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> machine? Should I just take it to the dealer and pay them too much
>> money? Ugh...
TBone - 26 Jan 2007 04:47 GMT
It is either the speed sensor in the rear axle or the wiring going to it.
In most cases, it is the sensor.

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> I'm ready to take my hubby's truck to the dump!! He is currently
> deployed and I am left to take care of this truck. The ABS light is
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> machine? Should I just take it to the dealer and pay them too much
> money? Ugh...
beekeep - 26 Jan 2007 21:46 GMT
>It is either the speed sensor in the rear axle or the wiring going to it.
>In most cases, it is the sensor.

Or maybe it's just the quality you get when you buy an American made vehicle
anymore.  They can't even figure out why they are going belly up.  How many
billion did ford lose the past year?

beekeep
Yabahoobs - 26 Jan 2007 23:11 GMT
> >It is either the speed sensor in the rear axle or the wiring going to it.
> >In most cases, it is the sensor.Or maybe it's just the quality you get when you buy an American made vehicle
> anymore.  They can't even figure out why they are going belly up.  How many
> billion did ford lose the past year?
>
> beekeep

at least 13 billion.  But Ford leads fullsize truck sales...
That said, American auto makers SERIOUSLY need to take notes on the
Korean and Japanese companies.  The quality of American cars is such
garbage compared to overseas stuff...I dont get it, they've been
watching their numbers slip for so long now, and have had a good model
(Hyundai, Toyota, Honda etc etc) to emulate for a while now...
Mike Simmons - 27 Jan 2007 01:26 GMT
>> >It is either the speed sensor in the rear axle or the wiring going to
>> >it.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> watching their numbers slip for so long now, and have had a good model
> (Hyundai, Toyota, Honda etc etc) to emulate for a while now...

The perception is that the quality of American cars is garbage, but the
reality is quite different, Im afraid.  In the most recent figures I've seen
the warranty expense PNVS is virtually the same vis a vis the Japs vs
American cars.  Toyota is the acknowledged leader, but even they have
slipped a couple of percentage points in recent years.  In our company we
have DaimlerChrysler, Nissan, GM, Mitsubishi, Kia, Aston-Martin and Jaguar
and Nissan has a higher warranty expense PNVS than any of the others with
the exception of Jaguar.  DaimlerChrysler, BTW is the lowest.  Contrary to
popular belief, the domestic manufacturers have made huge strides in
quality.

Mike
Tom Lawrence - 27 Jan 2007 01:57 GMT
> and Nissan has a higher warranty expense PNVS than any of the others with
> the exception of Jaguar.  DaimlerChrysler, BTW is the lowest.  Contrary to
> popular belief, the domestic manufacturers have made huge strides in
> quality.

<sigh>

Facts, figures, and more facts....  that's all you're ever good for...

Can't you, for ONCE, go with rumor, innuendo, and general bullshit?

Sheesh....

:^)
Mike Simmons - 27 Jan 2007 03:02 GMT
>> and Nissan has a higher warranty expense PNVS than any of the others with
>> the exception of Jaguar.  DaimlerChrysler, BTW is the lowest.  Contrary
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>in 1951 and held until all memory of knock sensors are banished from their
>minds...... howzzat?

;^)

Mike
Chris Thompson - 27 Jan 2007 04:00 GMT
>>> and Nissan has a higher warranty expense PNVS than any of the others
>>> with the exception of Jaguar.  DaimlerChrysler, BTW is the lowest.
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> Mike

LOL!!!!!!!!

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Tom Lawrence - 27 Jan 2007 18:35 GMT
>>regarding the problem.  Both agreed that chronic complainers would be
>>sequestered at Area 51 in the Nevada desert along with the aliens captured
>>in 1951 and held until all memory of knock sensors are banished from their
>>minds...... howzzat?

Pretty good, but it was 1947 when the aliens crashed at Roswell.  C'mon -
get yer facts straight!  :)
Larry Crites - 27 Jan 2007 20:24 GMT
And, there's nothing in Area 51. It's just a coordinate on a U.S. Geological
Survey map.

Larry
Behold Beware Believe

>>>regarding the problem.  Both agreed that chronic complainers would be
>>>sequestered at Area 51 in the Nevada desert along with the aliens
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Pretty good, but it was 1947 when the aliens crashed at Roswell.  C'mon -
> get yer facts straight!  :)

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GeekBoy - 27 Jan 2007 22:15 GMT
Yep, nothing there:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=area+51&ie=UTF8&z=14&ll=37.245635,-115.8
11348&spn=0.033001,0.086002&t=k&om=1


> And, there's nothing in Area 51. It's just a coordinate on a U.S.
> Geological Survey map.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>> Pretty good, but it was 1947 when the aliens crashed at Roswell.  C'mon -
>> get yer facts straight!  :)
Mike Simmons - 27 Jan 2007 22:21 GMT
>>>regarding the problem.  Both agreed that chronic complainers would be
>>>sequestered at Area 51 in the Nevada desert along with the aliens
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Pretty good, but it was 1947 when the aliens crashed at Roswell.  C'mon -
> get yer facts straight!  :)

No Tom, it wuz 1951... you just don't understand the physics of it....

sheesh

;^)

Mike
Tom Lawrence - 27 Jan 2007 23:31 GMT
> No Tom, it wuz 1951... you just don't understand the physics of it....

OOOhhhh....  must be a metric calendar
TBone - 27 Jan 2007 03:59 GMT
> >> >It is either the speed sensor in the rear axle or the wiring going to
> >> >it.
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> popular belief, the domestic manufacturers have made huge strides in
> quality.

Too bad DC is a German auto company.

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beekeep - 27 Jan 2007 12:07 GMT
>>> >It is either the speed sensor in the rear axle or the wiring going to
>>> >it.
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
>Mike

Perception is what sells cars.  I just bought a vehicle for my wife.  'Went to a
Dodge/Jeep dealer and bought a Nissan Quest.  I point blank told the salesman
that I didn't want a caravan regardless of price.  I honestly believe that the
Japanese have tighter tolerences when it comes to manufacturing aluminum  block
engines and transmissions.  

Now you may call that perception but I call it experience.  She got 190K of
trouble free miles from her last Quest and I have a 6th transmission in in my
Dodge truck.  My next truck will probably be a Toyota.

Dodge trucks did not winn a single race in the CTS last year and Toyota
dominated.  Toyota joins the Cup series this year and I'm betting that they will
win races this year.  That my friend is perception being made.

beekeep
Roy - 27 Jan 2007 14:01 GMT
>>>> >It is either the speed sensor in the rear axle or the wiring going to
>>>> >it.
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
> they will
> win races this year.  That my friend is perception being made.

That is BS and you know it! Pray tell what does any race car and production
car have in common other than the name?

> beekeep
Chris Thompson - 27 Jan 2007 16:03 GMT
> That is BS and you know it! Pray tell what does any race car and
> production car have in common other than the name?

not a damn thing. if it wasn't for the stickers you wouldn't even be able to
tell it was an intrepid.

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TBone - 27 Jan 2007 16:28 GMT
> >>>> >It is either the speed sensor in the rear axle or the wiring going to
> >>>> >it.
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> That is BS and you know it! Pray tell what does any race car and production
> car have in common other than the name?

Not a damn thing and yet, Greg is 100% correct.

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Roy - 27 Jan 2007 16:39 GMT
>> >>>> >It is either the speed sensor in the rear axle or the wiring going
> to
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>
> Not a damn thing and yet, Greg is 100% correct.

I guess comparing  a race car to a street car to substantiate a point makes
sense to you. One has absolutley nothing to do with the other except perhaps
finance.
TBone - 27 Jan 2007 17:12 GMT
> >> >>>> >It is either the speed sensor in the rear axle or the wiring going
> > to
[quoted text clipped - 69 lines]
> sense to you. One has absolutley nothing to do with the other except perhaps
> finance.

That is because you are not looking at the big picture.  We are talking
about perception here, not the vehicles.  While it is true that these race
trucks have damn little in common with there street versions, not everybody
makes that distinction.  Young people who may be buying these vehicles down
the road are more likely to go with the winners they see on TV (perception
of toughness and coolness) and right now, that happens to be Toyota.  Even I
see it as factory commitment and technology and if Dodge cannot win a single
race, that really doesn't say much for DC's commitment or technology.

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Roy - 27 Jan 2007 22:09 GMT
>> >> > On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:26:11 -0600, "Mike Simmons"
>> >> > <mikesim@yhti.net>
[quoted text clipped - 101 lines]
> the road are more likely to go with the winners they see on TV (perception
> of toughness and coolness) and right now, that happens to be Toyota.

Young people aren't really all that interested in performance imo. It is all
about flash and a large exhaust.

>  Even I
> see it as factory commitment and technology and if Dodge cannot win a
> single
> race, that really doesn't say much for DC's commitment or technology.

Well, I have to tell ya I'm pretty damned inpressed with the Charger SRT I
bought. The 6.1 hemi dosen't seem to lack for a thing. the same can be said
for the rest of the car as well.

How many dodge teams are there?
beekeep - 27 Jan 2007 17:53 GMT
>>> >>>> >It is either the speed sensor in the rear axle or the wiring going
>> to
[quoted text clipped - 69 lines]
>sense to you. One has absolutley nothing to do with the other except perhaps
>finance.

BINGO!!!!!    And where that money is going to produce a better product.

beekeep
beekeep - 27 Jan 2007 17:51 GMT
>>>>> >It is either the speed sensor in the rear axle or the wiring going to
>>>>> >it.
[quoted text clipped - 50 lines]
>That is BS and you know it! Pray tell what does any race car and production
>car have in common other than the name?

It's the perception that they have the engineering ability to get the job done,
plain and simple.  And if they are willing to put that much money into R&D for a
race car then what are they willing to spend on R&D for their everyday ride?
Back that up with GM droping it's goodwrench sponsership making them look like
the're going belly up.

beekeep
Roy - 27 Jan 2007 22:10 GMT
>>>>>> >It is either the speed sensor in the rear axle or the wiring going
>>>>>> >to
[quoted text clipped - 70 lines]
> like
> the're going belly up.

Well it looks like we are about to find out now aren't we?

Roy
> beekeep
Bob M - 27 Jan 2007 16:14 GMT
>>>>It is either the speed sensor in the rear axle or the wiring going to
>>>>it.
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
> Mike

 Mike you are right about the American quality coming up in recent
years. But people buying cars and trucks still remember the junk that
was put out especially by GM in the 80's and early 90's. Also in my
opinion a lot of why current buyers are staying away from American
brands are the way they were treated at the dealerships when they did
take their new vehicle in for service.
  Now I'm not knocking you or your dealership. I've never been to your
dealership nor have I met you. But I know from my own experience with my
01 Ram and my 00 Silverado as well as my past Fords and other GM
vehicles that I got sick and tired of hearing "Well they all do that."
Or "The computer did not give us a code so there is nothing wrong with
your truck." I never, not once, had a Dodge, Chevrolet, or Ford dealer
take the time to diagnose a problem with one of my vehicles if their
computer didn't spit the answer right out into their faces.
  My 01 Ram had a problem pulling to the right as well as a shaking
that I could feel in the seat at highway speeds only when the truck was
being driven on concrete roads. Now I know there's not a computer code
for this but I got sick and tired of 3 different Dodge dealerships , all
5 star, telling me that all Rams do this. The same with my 00 Silverado.
This truck was a lot worse and I only kept it a year because of the bad
shaking. Then when the trans light kept coming on intermittenly I was
told by GM that it was normal. Bull crap. What I'm saying is that this
in my opinion is a huge reason why people won't buy American anymore.
  I had a 97 Toyota Tacoma 4x4 that I bought new. It had a 5 speed
manual and 2 months after I bought it the trans started making a high
pitched whining noise. One day I took the truck to the dealer to have
the oil changed. (I live in an apt. and they won't let us work on our
vehicles) I mentioned the trans whine to the service writer. 10 minutes
later I was put in a rental car paid for by Toyota. I had that rental
car for 2 months while the dealership ordered a brand new trans from
Japan and installed it in my truck. Service writer said the mechanic
thought a bearing was bad but that Toyota authorized a whole new
transmission. My final cost $0. And never not once did I have a hassle
from Toyota. Hell they initiated the fix. All I mentioned was the tranny
whine.
  This is the type of stuff that I and other buyers remember. A car
company that actually makes their customer happy and does not give them
a hassle or an excuse. American car and truck manufacturers have come a
long way in the past few years in quality of their products. However
until they improve their after the sale customer service they will
continue to lose market share to the Japanese or Korean car and truck
manufacturers.

Bob
beekeep - 27 Jan 2007 18:00 GMT
>   This is the type of stuff that I and other buyers remember. A car
>company that actually makes their customer happy and does not give them
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Bob

Along with things like how many years Dodge produced an engine that sucked up
plemum gaskets and doing nothing about it while being well aware of the problem.
If you knowingly sell a flawed product it will eventually bite you in the a.s.
That is what the American auto makers are up against now.

beekeep
Mike Simmons - 27 Jan 2007 22:27 GMT
>>   This is the type of stuff that I and other buyers remember. A car
>>company that actually makes their customer happy and does not give them
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> beekeep

Greg:

All manufacturers have certain prob's that are unique to their products.....
ask around about Toyota engine sludge prob's whydon'tcha?  Even holier than
thou Toyota ain't perfect.

As far as NASCAR, I would remind you that DC quit supporting the NCTS last
year and has been concentrating on the Nextel Cup.  Toyota will do well
simply because they are pouring the bucks into the program.  Throw enough
money at anything and you can do most anything.

Mike
beekeep - 28 Jan 2007 02:39 GMT
>>>   This is the type of stuff that I and other buyers remember. A car
>>>company that actually makes their customer happy and does not give them
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
>Mike

That sounds like Bush talking about the war.

There were 14 Dodges racing the cup last year and only one made the top ten, 4
total in top 20.  So much for cup commitment.

Toyota will do well due to the COT running some of the races which puts them on
even ground with the other manufacturers.  

And then there's the United Auto Workers Union ....................

beekeep
Mike Simmons - 28 Jan 2007 02:51 GMT
>>>>   This is the type of stuff that I and other buyers remember. A car
>>>>company that actually makes their customer happy and does not give them
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
>
> beekeep

and here I was begiining to think there was hope for you after all......

;^)

Mike
beekeep - 28 Jan 2007 11:11 GMT
>>>>>   This is the type of stuff that I and other buyers remember. A car
>>>>>company that actually makes their customer happy and does not give them
[quoted text clipped - 52 lines]
>
>Mike

That was those heated seats making you all warm and fuzzy inside.

beekeep
Stephen Harding - 28 Jan 2007 11:34 GMT
> Along with things like how many years Dodge produced an engine that sucked up
> plemum gaskets and doing nothing about it while being well aware of the problem.
> If you knowingly sell a flawed product it will eventually bite you in the a.s.
> That is what the American auto makers are up against now.

It takes time to build a reputation and it also takes time to
lose one.

Detroit lost the perceived edge in quality and design in the
80's and has never gotten it back.  US manufacturers don't
look far enough ahead, sticking to tried and true and ignoring
the future.  Hybrids are a good example.

Remember the first Hondas and Toyotas in the US in the later
60's?  They were jokes!  I remember lots of automotive types
mocking those vehicles, and they were junk!  But they kept at
it, and especially concentrated on quality.  You ended up with
Japanese makes known for inexpensive price and high quality.

Japanese cars aren't any cheaper today than US cars, but the
reputation they made (and the reputation Detroit lost) is
still with us.

SMH
Stephen Harding - 28 Jan 2007 11:22 GMT
> The perception is that the quality of American cars is garbage, but the
> reality is quite different, Im afraid.  In the most recent figures I've seen
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> popular belief, the domestic manufacturers have made huge strides in
> quality.

I've read of many quality surveys over the past few years
and they all seem to echo what you say.

US car quality has made huge strides forward compared to
the bad old days of the 80's when US manufactured autos
seemed to bottom out.

However, US makes still lag a bit behind the Japanese (Toyota
is the generally acknowledged king of quality),  but the gap
is apparently closing.

European makes are much farther down in quality from the
close US and Japanese makes.

SMH
TBone - 27 Jan 2007 03:57 GMT
> > >It is either the speed sensor in the rear axle or the wiring going to it.
> > >In most cases, it is the sensor.Or maybe it's just the quality you get when you buy an American made vehicle
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> watching their numbers slip for so long now, and have had a good model
> (Hyundai, Toyota, Honda etc etc) to emulate for a while now...

That requires long term thinking that simply doesn't exist with American
greed for short term profit.

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TBone - 27 Jan 2007 03:56 GMT
> >It is either the speed sensor in the rear axle or the wiring going to it.
> >In most cases, it is the sensor.
> >
> Or maybe it's just the quality you get when you buy an American made vehicle
> anymore.  They can't even figure out why they are going belly up.  How many
> billion did ford lose the past year?

Unfortunately most of that can be attributed to short term American business
thinking.  Make that extra dollar today and screw tomorrow.

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NurseTracy - 27 Jan 2007 22:37 GMT
I just had repairs made on my '99 2500.  The same thing was going on (ABS,
brake and speedometer).  The speed sensor was bad, but so were the rear
brakes.  You might get them checked out as well.
 
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