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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / February 2007New Ford Heavy Duty w/twin turbos?
Anyone see the ad yet? I have not gone to the web site site, but I wonder how much that extra turbo is helping the engine. And the front end is a bit too roundish making it look a bit like it burns rice than diesel. See the ad in the paper few days ago. Said 6.4L Twin Turbo, but didn't say how much power or tourqe it had. I thought the new body style looked like crap. > Anyone see the ad yet? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > And the front end is a bit too roundish making it look a bit like it burns > rice than diesel. It looks better in real life then it does in the photos but I'm no big fan of the latest Dodge body styles either. The advantage of the twin turbo's is faster spool-up which translates into much less lag for the amount of boost. I don't know if they are the variable geometry type or not.  SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > See the ad in the paper few days ago. Said 6.4L Twin Turbo, but didn't > say how much power or tourqe it had. I thought the new body style [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > And the front end is a bit too roundish making it look a bit like it burns > > rice than diesel. > It looks better in real life then it does in the photos but I'm no big fan > of the latest Dodge body styles either. The advantage of the twin turbo's > is faster spool-up which translates into much less lag for the amount of > boost. I don't know if they are the variable geometry type or not. Well it's not liek its a racing truck. When I floor the accellerator, by boost goes up quit quick. It also does not help if you are pulling from a stand still. Last year I was in a moutainous area with nearly a max load. I some performance goodies on it too. I pulled into a shopping center. The exit out is a stop light on a steep incline. On the way out I was first in line so the entire vehicle and load and on the steep incline. When the light turned green I pushed the fuel pedal all the way to the floor and nothing happened at first. The engine was groaning and had no RPMs. thus the turbo charger was totally useless. Thought I was not going to make it up the hill. Never gonna buy another truck with automatic. >> See the ad in the paper few days ago. Said 6.4L Twin Turbo, but didn't >> say how much power or tourqe it had. I thought the new body style [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > burns >> > rice than diesel. >> It looks better in real life then it does in the photos but I'm no big >> fan [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > boost goes up quit quick. > It also does not help if you are pulling from a stand still. As I understand it, that is the reason for the 2 turbo's. Quicker low end grunt. > Last year I was in a moutainous area with nearly a max load. > I some performance goodies on it too. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > useless. Thought I was not going to make it up the hill. Never gonna buy > another truck with automatic. What does the automatic have to do with it??? >>> It looks better in real life then it does in the photos but I'm no big >>> fan [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > As I understand it, that is the reason for the 2 turbo's. Quicker low end > grunt. Well that's the problem. At lower end you need more RPMs to run the turbos and I think most Fords do not have manual transmission. >> Last year I was in a moutainous area with nearly a max load. >> I some performance goodies on it too. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > What does the automatic have to do with it??? If it was a manual trans to get more RPMs (hence more power) all I would of had to do was push in the clutch and release slowly to get the needed power. What else you going to do with automatic? Shift to to neutral, rev up the engine, and slam it into drive hoping you did not screw the tranny up? 350 hp and 650 tq according to web site > 350 hp and 650 tq according to web site That's it? Another $3Gs or more for an extra tiny horse power and torque which you can already get from the Cummins? Yea, but you will get it much quicker with the Ford. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > > 350 hp and 650 tq according to web site > > > That's it? Another $3Gs or more for an extra tiny horse power and torque > which you can already get from the Cummins? > Yea, but you will get it much quicker with the Ford. How do you figure? Because the Fords variable turbo or it's new twin turbos are simply going to spool up faster and give you maximum boost sooner. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > Yea, but you will get it much quicker with the Ford. > > How do you figure? > Because the Fords variable turbo or it's new twin turbos are simply going > to > spool up faster and give you maximum boost sooner. And why won't the Cummins VG turbo spool just as quickly? When did they start using them? SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > Because the Fords variable turbo or it's new twin turbos are simply going > > to > > spool up faster and give you maximum boost sooner. > > And why won't the Cummins VG turbo spool just as quickly? >>>> It looks better in real life then it does in the photos but I'm no big >>>> fan [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Well that's the problem. At lower end you need more RPMs to run the turbos > and I think most Fords do not have manual transmission. Hence 2 turbo's!! >>> Last year I was in a moutainous area with nearly a max load. >>> I some performance goodies on it too. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > of had to do was push in the clutch and release slowly to get the needed > power. Huh? Your clutch won't last too long following that procedure. > What else you going to do with automatic? Shift to to neutral, rev up the > engine, and slam it into drive hoping you did not screw the tranny up? I guess it is probably better to go with the standard. Put it in first with the clutch pedal depressed bring the rpm up to what, 2500? Then I guess you dump the clutch, get out of the truck and pick up the parts. > I guess it is probably better to go with the standard. Put it in first > with the clutch pedal depressed bring the rpm up to what, 2500? Then I > guess you dump the clutch, get out of the truck and pick up the parts. that's probably exactly what he would do....he doesn't seem to understand that 0 mph = 0 rpm on the input shaft. with the clutch engaged that means 0 engine rpm also. thus no boost. atleast the auto will allow the engine to spool up some since the torque converter is a hydraulic coupling. I damn sure wouldn't complain that the trans wasn't getting the job done because I had my truck so over loaded that it couldn't pull off from a stop. Signature---------------------------- -Chris 05 CTD 06 Liberty CRD Real Trucks don't NEED spark plugs. >> I guess it is probably better to go with the standard. Put it in first >> with the clutch pedal depressed bring the rpm up to what, 2500? Then I [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > because I had my truck so over loaded that it couldn't pull off from a > stop. It was not overloaded. I was outpulling gassers going up a moutain only pulling their ligh weight fiberglass boats. Next time try pulluing from a dead stop goingup more than a 10% incline.. been there done that Signature---------------------------- -Chris 05 CTD 06 Liberty CRD Real Trucks don't NEED spark plugs. > >>> I guess it is probably better to go with the standard. Put it in first [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Next time try pulluing from a dead stop goingup more than a 10% incline.. >>> I guess it is probably better to go with the standard. Put it in first >>> with the clutch pedal depressed bring the rpm up to what, 2500? Then I [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Next time try pulluing from a dead stop goingup more than a 10% incline.. I'm sure by now you have it fixed. What did they find wrong with it?? > >>> It looks better in real life then it does in the photos but I'm no big > >>> fan [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Well that's the problem. At lower end you need more RPMs to run the turbos > and I think most Fords do not have manual transmission. That is the advantage of the twin turbo system. The turbines in the smaller turbo's have much less mass which allows them to spool up faster and require less exhaust pressure to do it which significantly reduces the problem that you had with your single large turbo. As for the transmission, the Ford dealers order most of their stock trucks with the automatic, just like most Dodge dealers because everyone knows how to drive them and most prefer them over manual shift which makes them easier to sell. > >> Last year I was in a moutainous area with nearly a max load. > >> I some performance goodies on it too. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > If it was a manual trans to get more RPMs (hence more power) all I would of > had to do was push in the clutch and release slowly to get the needed power. And you would cook your clutch in fairly short order. Just keep it in a lower gear until the boost builds up and you can do that with either type of trans. > What else you going to do with automatic? Shift to to neutral, rev up the > engine, and slam it into drive hoping you did not screw the tranny up? Just lock it into first gear until the boost comes up. The TC will give you the slip you need in the mean time. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > >> It looks better in real life then it does in the photos but I'm no big > >> fan [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > As I understand it, that is the reason for the 2 turbo's. Quicker low end > grunt. Yep. although from what I've read, the variable geometry turbo's are pretty good at doing that as well but they have more moving parts and are more expensive. > > Last year I was in a moutainous area with nearly a max load. > > I some performance goodies on it too. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > What does the automatic have to do with it??? Probably shifting into the higher gears too soon and not allowing the turbo to spool up as fast as he wants. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving >> >> It looks better in real life then it does in the photos but I'm no big >> >> fan [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > turbo > to spool up as fast as he wants. Reading his post I was under the impression he was talking about a loaded truck from a dead stop. > >> >> It looks better in real life then it does in the photos but I'm no big > >> >> fan [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > Reading his post I was under the impression he was talking about a loaded > truck from a dead stop. I was as well and came to the conclusion that he thinks that the auto trans is upshifting before his turbo spools up enough to give him the boost he wants but I could be wrong. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving >> >> >> It looks better in real life then it does in the photos but I'm no > big [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > is upshifting before his turbo spools up enough to give him the boost he > wants but I could be wrong. No. I have a DTT "SmartController" I activate while towing which allows for longer shift times, etc. I was talking about a heavy load from a full stop going up a 10% (or more) incline. > and on the steep incline. When the light turned green I pushed the fuel > pedal all the way to the floor and nothing happened at first. The engine > was groaning and had no RPMs. thus the turbo charger was totally useless. > Thought I was not going to make it up the hill. Never gonna buy another > truck with automatic. Then there's something wrong with your truck. With the torque converter unlocked, you should have been over 2,000 RPMs with the pedal floored. Oh, that's right - you've got a DTT converter in there.... probably WAY too tight for a stock engine. It's not the fault of the truck or it's transmission - you altered the way it's supposed to perform. >> and on the steep incline. When the light turned green I pushed the fuel >> pedal all the way to the floor and nothing happened at first. The engine [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > too tight for a stock engine. It's not the fault of the truck or it's > transmission - you altered the way it's supposed to perform. Hmmmm I guess it is all in what you tell DTT what you are using the truck for. I had one of their transmissions and converter in my 2K. But I also told them it was going to plow and tow a bit with it. It worked real well. >>> and on the steep incline. When the light turned green I pushed the fuel >>> pedal all the way to the floor and nothing happened at first. The engine [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > for. I had one of their transmissions and converter in my 2K. But I also > told them it was going to plow and tow a bit with it. It worked real well. The guy who owned it pulled th wheel travel trailer. And towing perforance works very well. >> and on the steep incline. When the light turned green I pushed the fuel >> pedal all the way to the floor and nothing happened at first. The engine [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > too tight for a stock engine. It's not the fault of the truck or it's > transmission - you altered the way it's supposed to perform. What better? It also has the "SmartController" tha goes along with it, and I alterd nothing. "GeekBoy" <ner@nerdy.com> wrote in message news:45d9efe2$0$28142 > I pulled into a shopping center. The exit out is a stop light on a steep > incline. On the way out I was first in line so the entire vehicle and load [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Thought I was not going to make it up the hill. Never gonna buy another > truck with automatic. I've heard of this problem with the automatic V10 Dodges too. Can't get the RPM up enough to pull. My 6 speed 04 and 5 speed 92 will start very heavy loads. No need to rev up the engine. 5.6 to 1 first gear :) Al > "GeekBoy" <ner@nerdy.com> wrote in message news:45d9efe2$0$28142 >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > RPM up enough to pull. My 6 speed 04 and 5 speed 92 will start very heavy > loads. No need to rev up the engine. 5.6 to 1 first gear :) Strange that Tom has not heard of this. Goes to show ya can't know everything. Not to mention original owner switched out the read axle gears to 3.73 from the factory 3.53 or .54??. You would think that extra gear ratio would help out on such a condition. He made quite a few changes for the purpose of towing a 5th wheel travel trailer. > Al > > "GeekBoy" <ner@nerdy.com> wrote in message news:45d9efe2$0$28142 > >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > out on such a condition. He made quite a few changes for the purpose of > towing a 5th wheel travel trailer. Changing the rear gears from 3.73 to 3.54 would hurt startup power, not help it. Al >> > "GeekBoy" <ner@nerdy.com> wrote in message news:45d9efe2$0$28142 >> >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > help > it. Why is that? the gear ratio is highermaking it easier for the engine to turn the rear wheels > Al > >> Strange that Tom has not heard of this. Goes to show ya can't know > >> everything. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > > Al You've got it backwards. With 3.73 gears the drive shaft turns 3.73 turns per turn of the rear wheels. With 3.54 gears, it's 3.54 turns. So it's harder to turn the shaft. Plus the total drive ratio is the transmission ratio, times the rear end ratio. So if you have a 3 to 1 ratio in the transmission and 3.73 rear gears, you have a total ratio of 11.19. That means the engine turns 11.19 turns for each turn of the rear tire. With 3.54 gears the final ratio would be 10.62. With 4.11 rear gears the final ratio would be 12.33. The more times the engine turns for each turn of the wheel the more torque is applied to the wheel. Al >> >> Strange that Tom has not heard of this. Goes to show ya can't know >> >> everything. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > would be 12.33. The more times the engine turns for each turn of the wheel > the more torque is applied to the wheel. I think you just contradicted yourself. More torque means more power being applied thus easier the vehicle can tow. If the first part of you mention is true, then most 3500 duallys would come with 3.54 gears rather than 4.11 > Al >> > "GeekBoy" <ner@nerdy.com> wrote in message news:45d9efe2$0$28142 >> >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > help > it. Al, he said the original owner switched the gear to 3:73 from the factory gears of 3.54. Roy > Al > > > "GeekBoy" <ner@nerdy.com> wrote in message news:45d9efe2$0$28142 > > >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Changing the rear gears from 3.73 to 3.54 would hurt startup power, not help > it. You got it backwards dude, he went from a 3.5? to a 3.73 SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > > > "GeekBoy" <ner@nerdy.com> wrote in message news:45d9efe2$0$28142 > > > >> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > You got it backwards dude, he went from a 3.5? to a 3.73 So much for me helping:) Misread the post:) Sorry, Al > "GeekBoy" <ner@nerdy.com> wrote in message news:45d9efe2$0$28142 >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Al With a DTT? They make the converter/ trans per the spec's of your truck and the intended use. I never had that problem. With the DTT, it was instant on. That is with a Cummins, not a ps. Roy You can take this with a grain of salt, I overheard a conversation while in TruckPro the other day. They say Ford dealers have stacks of turbos they're replacing and the word from Ford is don't idle them and don't let them sit for two weeks or more without starting them else the varible vanes lock up and require replacement. FWIW, YMMV. > It looks better in real life then it does in the photos but I'm no big fan > of the latest Dodge body styles either. The advantage of the twin turbo's [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > burns >> > rice than diesel. Is that on the new Fords or on the previous models? If that problem is with the previous models, that may be why they possibly went with two standard turbo's of smaller size then the one large variable one. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > You can take this with a grain of salt, I overheard a conversation while in > TruckPro the other day. They say Ford dealers have stacks of turbos they're > replacing and the word from Ford is don't idle them and don't let them sit [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > burns > >> > rice than diesel. Why haven't the manufacturers used superchargers? It seems that would eliminate a lot of the lag. Ken > Is that on the new Fords or on the previous models? If that problem is > with [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >> > burns >> >> > rice than diesel. Because superchargers use some of the engines power to make power and that reduces MPG and superchargers are nowhere near as controllable as turbo's have become. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > Why haven't the manufacturers used superchargers? It seems that would > eliminate a lot of the lag. [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > >> > burns > >> >> > rice than diesel. They were talking '07's so I guess it's the twin turbo model? One thing about hanging around those places, you either get really good info or it's totally whacked out, not much in between. This one seemed on the level else I wouldn't have passed it on. I hope it's either not true or it's exaggerated. > Is that on the new Fords or on the previous models? If that problem is > with [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >> > burns >> >> > rice than diesel. > It looks better in real life then it does in the photos but I'm no big fan > of the latest Dodge body styles either. The advantage of the twin turbo's > is faster spool-up which translates into much less lag for the amount of > boost. I don't know if they are the variable geometry type or not. Two more things on a ford to fu*king fall off. Signature------MoParMaN------ ---Signature Pending Yet Another Assine Comment by MIANDERSON--- LOL, that may be the case but my buddies F350 stomped on a Cummins Ram last week and he has yet to let me forget it. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > > It looks better in real life then it does in the photos but I'm no big fan [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > Two more things on a ford to fu*king fall off. Probably an old 12 valve > LOL, that may be the case but my buddies F350 stomped on a Cummins Ram > last [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> > >> Two more things on a ford to fu*king fall off. Nope, I was in the truck with him and it was a 05 or 06 and his truck is just about completely stock. Now we turned off about a 1/4 of a mile down the road so it may be possible that the Cummins could have caught back up and that the driver of the Dodge was slow to react but off of the line, his 96 F350 walked away from the Dodge. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > Probably an old 12 valve > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >> > > >> Two more things on a ford to fu*king fall off. > Nope, I was in the truck with him and it was a 05 or 06 and his truck is > just about completely stock. Now we turned off about a 1/4 of a mile down > the road so it may be possible that the Cummins could have caught back up > and that the driver of the Dodge was slow to react but off of the line, > his > 96 F350 walked away from the Dodge. If it wasa 96 then it could not be stock to do that. >> Probably an old 12 valve >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> >> > >> >> Two more things on a ford to fu*king fall off. >> Nope, I was in the truck with him and it was a 05 or 06 and his truck is >> just about completely stock. Now we turned off about a 1/4 of a mile [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > If it wasa 96 then it could not be stock to do that. I still would like to hear what was found to be wrong with your truck! Roy >>> Nope, I was in the truck with him and it was a 05 or 06 and his truck is >>> just about completely stock. Now we turned off about a 1/4 of a mile [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I still would like to hear what was found to be wrong with your truck! I never took it in,. I do know sometimes my perforance chip does not turn on or activate when I turn on the truck, causing significant power reduction. > Roy The dodge was running biodeisel and the driver didn't relize the ford had mashed it until too late ( It was taking off so slowly). :-) Hard to make up four or five truck lengths over a 1/4 mile. >> Nope, I was in the truck with him and it was a 05 or 06 and his truck is >> just about completely stock. Now we turned off about a 1/4 of a mile [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > If it wasa 96 then it could not be stock to do that. I still would like to hear what was found to be wrong with your truck! Roy >>> Nope, I was in the truck with him and it was a 05 or 06 and his truck is >>> just about completely stock. Now we turned off about a 1/4 of a mile [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I still would like to hear what was found to be wrong with your truck! Yeah it must have been the power chip that was offline for a few moments. It does that sometimes I went out today and put the foot on the fuel pedal while braking. The RPMs kept going up and rear wheels started to spin once RPMs got up to about 2000. > Roy > Nope, I was in the truck with him and it was a 05 or 06 and his truck is > just about completely stock. Now we turned off about a 1/4 of a mile down > the road so it may be possible that the Cummins could have caught back up > and that the driver of the Dodge was slow to react but off of the line, > his > 96 F350 walked away from the Dodge. Then that Ford was FAR from stock. IIRC in '96 the PowerStrokes were only 215 hp. vs. 325 for the new Dodge stock. The Dodge wasn't new, it was about 2 years old, probably an 05. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > > Nope, I was in the truck with him and it was a 05 or 06 and his truck is [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Then that Ford was FAR from stock. IIRC in '96 the PowerStrokes were only > 215 hp. vs. 325 for the new Dodge stock. >> Then that Ford was FAR from stock. IIRC in '96 the PowerStrokes were >> only 215 hp. vs. 325 for the new Dodge stock. > The Dodge wasn't new, it was about 2 years old, probably an 05. Dodges have been making 325HP since '04.5 > >> Then that Ford was FAR from stock. IIRC in '96 the PowerStrokes were > >> only 215 hp. vs. 325 for the new Dodge stock. > > > The Dodge wasn't new, it was about 2 years old, probably an 05. > > Dodges have been making 325HP since '04.5 Yea, with a big non-variable turbo that took its sweet a.s time spooling up compared to the variable type that the Ford uses. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > Yea, with a big non-variable turbo that took its sweet a.s time spooling > up > compared to the variable type that the Ford uses. Really? a '96 Powerstroke with the IH 7.3L used a VG turbo? > Nope, I was in the truck with him and it was a 05 or 06 and his truck is > just about completely stock. Now we turned off about a 1/4 of a mile down > the road so it may be possible that the Cummins could have caught back up > and that the driver of the Dodge was slow to react but off of the line, > his > 96 F350 walked away from the Dodge. Did the guy in the Cummins know he was in a race??? I have a friend that bought a new Ford F350 PS last October. He thought it was real quick, so we went to a deserted area of the highway. From the a stop, he pulled me by about a1/2 length due to tire spin, but by the time we were at 50mph I was by him and pulled to about 2 lengths @100. Tried it twice more and the results were the same, but we left together. He went out and bought a BHAF and a 5" exhaust. Didn't seem to matter much, the results were about the same. Now he's pissed, buys a smarty. Boy do those things work! If they had one for the Cummins I'd have bought one and really pissed him off. Both trucks were auto, 4X4 with 4:11 or whatever rear gears. Mine was a 04 QC. > If at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving >> Probably an old 12 valve [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> >> > >> >> Two more things on a ford to fu*king fall off. Actually, it was never intended as a race. My buddy got on it to get to the turnoff before some other a.shole in a car got there as they couldn't drive worth a sh.t. I guess that when the driver of the Dodge either saw the Ford next to him or saw us take off took it as a race and got on it as well but could not catch up before we turned off. Whatever the reason, I'm still taking abuse for it even though he knows that the Cummins is a superior engine. Hey, if everything goes as rumor makes it, pretty soon the Dodge will be using the Duramax engine, LOL!! SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > > Nope, I was in the truck with him and it was a 05 or 06 and his truck is [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > >> >> > > >> >> Two more things on a ford to fu*king fall off. > Actually, it was never intended as a race. So your buddies F350 didn't "stomp" on a Cummins Ram. I'm using his words, not mine. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > > Actually, it was never intended as a race. > > So your buddies F350 didn't "stomp" on a Cummins Ram. Talking 05-07 vintage, the high reving ferd and cheby V8 deisels will beat the stock dodge cummins by a car legnth or less all other things being equal, a good driver can make a difference. With $2000 you can't do much to a Ferd or cheby, but you can make that cummins go like a bat out of $%#@ and will wip the ferd and cheby easily for years and years to come. With unlimited money, talking perhaps $100,000, you can make the cheby a monster for at least a couple weeks before you need to start all over aggain..... > Nope, I was in the truck with him and it was a 05 or 06 and his truck is > just about completely stock. Now we turned off about a 1/4 of a mile down > the road so it may be possible that the Cummins could have caught back up > and that the driver of the Dodge was slow to react but off of the line, > his > 96 F350 walked away from the Dodge. Did the guy in the Cummins know he was in a race??? I have a friend that bought a new Ford F350 PS last October. He thought it was real quick, so we went to a deserted area of the highway. From the a stop, he pulled me by about a1/2 length due to tire spin, but by the time we were at 50mph I was by him and pulled to about 2 lengths @100. Tried it twice more and the results were the same, but we left together. He went out and bought a BHAF and a 5" exhaust. Didn't seem to matter much, the results were about the same. Now he's pissed, buys a smarty. Boy do those things work! If they had one for the Cummins I'd have bought one and really pissed him off. Both trucks were auto, 4X4 with 4:11 or whatever rear gears. Mine was a 04 QC. > Talking 05-07 vintage, the high reving ferd and cheby V8 deisels will beat > the stock dodge cummins by a car legnth or less all other things being > equal, a good driver can make a difference. Based on my experience I have to disagree. As I said, to get around me he had to get a smarty. True the driver can make a difference but he's pretty sharp, he runs a pro street. > With $2000 you can't do much > to a Ferd or cheby, but you can make that cummins go like a bat out of > $%#@ > and will wip the ferd and cheby easily for years and years to come. For under $700.00 you can program in 60 plus HP Look here: www.madselectronics.com > With > unlimited money, talking perhaps $100,000, you can make the cheby a > monster > for at least a couple weeks before you need to start all over aggain..... Don't know where your getting your figures from. > Based on my experience I have to disagree. As I said, to get around me he > had to get a smarty. When did Marco ever make a Smarty for the Fords? > For under $700.00 you can program in 60 plus HP > > Look here: www.madselectronics.com I'm looking... where's the Ford products? >> Based on my experience I have to disagree. As I said, to get around me he >> had to get a smarty. > > When did Marco ever make a Smarty for the Fords? Hell, I can't find it either. IIrc we wrote about it a couple of months ago in a thread. At that time there wasn't one for my available for my truck. Back then I was getting info from Wagner& Assoc. I've a call in to the friend that has it on his Ford. >> Based on my experience I have to disagree. As I said, to get around me he >> had to get a smarty. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I'm looking... where's the Ford products? I just talked to Wagner you are correct, Marco doesn't make one for a Ford. I'm wondering if somebody is hacking them. His had 3 levels, economy, towing and all the smoke. You downloaded the program into the ob but could remove it at will with no trace. When I hear from him I'll let you know what was done to it. > I just talked to Wagner you are correct, Marco doesn't make one for a > Ford. I'm wondering if somebody is hacking them. His had 3 levels, > economy, towing and all the smoke. You downloaded the program into the ob > but could remove it at will with no trace. Hmm.... Bullydog maybe? >> I just talked to Wagner you are correct, Marco doesn't make one for a >> Ford. I'm wondering if somebody is hacking them. His had 3 levels, >> economy, towing and all the smoke. You downloaded the program into the ob >> but could remove it at will with no trace. > > Hmm.... Bullydog maybe? Nope, It is a SCT. Same deal as a smarty. Got my wires crossed, sorry. www.sctflash.com While you guys are dissin' Fords. About four years ago there was a guy here in Tucson doing propane conversions on cars and trucks. Part of this disaster.(http://www.stateline.org/live/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=136&langu ageId=1&contentId=14196) He had a dually quad cab 4X4 Ford with a six speed manual transmission. Had some mods and a propane injector. I watched him run 14.20 @ 98 MPH here in Tucson. 3000 foot elevation, and hot. What you can't imagine is how long each shift took. He was shifting it so slow. If that thing was an automatic.... Was going to point you to his web page, but it's screwed up. He had some pictures of the truck there. Last time I talked to him he was screwing with a Dodge CTD. Was getting over 1,000 pounds of torque out of it with propane injection and very few mods. My truck is a six speed 04.5 CTD and it's slow. I'm not willing to bang gears in it, and at each shift it falls off the turbo. By time the boost comes up it's time to shift. Since I did not buy it to drag race, it's fine by me:) Easily pulls my 24' race car trailer and that's what matters. Al > While you guys are dissin' Fords. About four years ago there was a guy > here [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > each shift took. He was shifting it so slow. If that thing was an > automatic.... If it was a auto he'd probably be low 13's. 14.2 isn't bad at all. His MPH is good as well. > Was going to point you to his web page, but it's screwed up. He had some > pictures of the truck there. Last time I talked to him he was screwing [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > fine > by me:) Easily pulls my 24' race car trailer and that's what matters. Ah, Al, what's in the trailer????? Roy > Al > Ah, Al, what's in the trailer????? > > Roy Whatever, furniture, cars, you name it. I have three drag race cars. All OT here. The fastest runs high 8's @ 155 MPH and has doors:) Al > While you guys are dissin' Fords. About four years ago there was a guy > here [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > fine > by me:) Easily pulls my 24' race car trailer and that's what matters. There was a German guy who raced an Audi Quattro shortly after it came out and won. It was either a 4 or 6 cylinder with turbo charger. He had to develope a new style of driving to compete with the 8 cylinder cars he was racing against. What he did when he needed to brake in a sharp turn, was to simulataniously brake and keep the same foot on the accelerator all while at the same time shifting and other foot on the clutch. This helped the turbo from losing power so he would not fall behind the other vehicles. Or you could power shift. That is quickly shift gears and never let off the diesel pedal. > Al >> While you guys are dissin' Fords. About four years ago there was a guy >> here [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > at the same time shifting and other foot on the clutch. This helped the > turbo from losing power so he would not fall behind the other vehicles. That's a very common practice in racin'. >>> While you guys are dissin' Fords. About four years ago there was a guy >>> here [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > That's a very common practice in racin'. It is now. Back then it was not. The Audi Quattro hit the market maybe 15 years ago. >>>> While you guys are dissin' Fords. About four years ago there was a guy >>>> here [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > It is now. Back then it was not. The Audi Quattro hit the market maybe 15 > years ago. "Back then"??? I'm from "back then"<G> How do you think a circle car set's up for a turn? Been that way forever. >>>>> While you guys are dissin' Fords. About four years ago there was a guy >>>>> here [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > "Back then"??? I'm from "back then"<G> Somebody else has seen the light!!!! <VBFG> Denny > How do you think a circle car set's up for a turn? Been that way forever. >>>>>> While you guys are dissin' Fords. About four years ago there was a >>>>>> guy here [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > Denny Did you get the damn vid????? Roy > There was a German guy who raced an Audi Quattro shortly after it came out > and won. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > shifting and other foot on the clutch. This helped the turbo from losing > power so he would not fall behind the other vehicles. Was driving down the road one night in my OT 5.0, 5 speed car. Some guy comes up on the right side of me in a Turbo Supra. He revs the engine a few times to get my attention, then stands on the gas and holds the car even with mine with his brakes. Tried my best to tease him into burning something up, but it didn't work:) Them damned things run. Saw a different guy with a slower Supra dust off a Hennsey Viper from a slow roll. The Viper got away first thanks to turbo lag, then it was all Toyota. They stopped and BS'ed a while. Talk about a pissed off Dodge owner. That Supra ran 10.60's in street trim, and it's not a fast one. Here is a link to a video of the one I was screwing with. http://au.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2708 Belongs to Ryan Woon here in Tucson. BTW, this car is in the low 9's now. It was running mid 10's when he was trying to blow my doors off:) I raced him years ago at the track with my 68 Nova and beat him heads up. Told him after the race if he would have beat me, I would have burnt my car to the ground:) I was about .3 of a second quicker than him but he ran almost 15 MPH faster. He was coming:) Al >> There was a German guy who raced an Audi Quattro shortly after it came >> out [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > street > trim, and it's not a fast one. A lot of people laugh at some of these kids with "ricer's" but they aren't catching them. Talk about the ultimate sleeper. A 10 second street car5. > Here is a link to a video of the one I was screwing with. > http://au.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2708 [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > faster. > He was coming:) 15MPH faster? He was coming like a jet. Sounds like ya got him on the go. That link doesn't6 work. At least for me it don't. Al, there is no OT here. Everything seems to go. Maybe a OT in the subject but nobody get's their undies in a not over it. > Al > > Here is a link to a video of the one I was screwing with. > > http://au.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2708 [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Al, there is no OT here. Everything seems to go. Maybe a OT in the subject > but nobody get's their undies in a not over it. Just tried the link, works here?? Al >>> Here is a link to a video of the one I was screwing with. >>> http://au.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2708 [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Al It worked for me. Is that dragstrip down-hill? Direct youtube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdh3Wi90r9U SignatureKen >>>> Here is a link to a video of the one I was screwing with. >>>> http://au.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2708 [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > It worked for me. Is that dragstrip down-hill? Looks like the shut down is uphill. Beats the hell out of running off into a sand trap. > Direct youtube link: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdh3Wi90r9U This worked just fine. Thanks you. Roy > Ken >>>>> Here is a link to a video of the one I was screwing with. >>>>> http://au.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2708 [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > This worked just fine. Thanks you. It might be the camera angle. It sure /looks/ down-hill in this shot: http://i9.tinypic.com/3zu25h2.jpg SignatureKen >>>>>> Here is a link to a video of the one I was screwing with. >>>>>> http://au.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2708 [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > It might be the camera angle. It sure /looks/ down-hill in this shot: > http://i9.tinypic.com/3zu25h2.jpg Yup, it surely does. Roy > Ken
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