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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / March 2007How long does oil last?
I've suddenly realized it's been about a year since my last oil change. Don't panic now, for almost three months of that time, my truck was sitting on a ship, visiting parts of the world I'll never see. The rest of the time it's done well less than 5,000 miles. Problem is, due to circumstances beyond my control (including a probably lack of compatible oil filters), oil won't get changed 'till end of March. Probably have less than 100 more miles - we don't drive much, or far. So, am I damaging my engine with old oil? Or is the # of miles more important? jmc Generally, mineral based (comes out of the ground) motor oil only lasts about a year. Of course, all this depends on the type of oil, manufacturer, etc. You don't say what it loks like, but if its relatively clean (not brown or burnt) and feels good to the touch (slippery and not thin like water), it'll go the 100 miles. They key here would be making sure that you have good oil pressure when the engine is in use. I suggest a good synthetic oil be used in your case. Synthetics don't have a natural breakdown, and react well to long term storage.  SignatureMax Join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > I've suddenly realized it's been about a year since my last oil change. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > jmc >I suggest a good synthetic oil be used in your case. Synthetics don't have a >natural breakdown, and react well to long term storage. I am not sure where you are getting your data but several factors are involved in usefull oil life and regular motor oil can last for many years on the shelve and has not automatic 1 year and its not good. When it sits ina engine for a long period of time it can fall prey to moisutre condensation from climate changes which will contaminate any oil dino or SYN. SYN oil takes longer to break down for thermal and shearing stress but they both get dirty. Generall if you do not drive much you should change it at least once a year even if it is only 1000 miles and better still would be twice a year in the spring to remove winter condensation and byproducts for cold starts and fall to have fresh oil before cold winter sets in. Okay, let the trolls come out and try to find fault here with this. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com > shearing stress but they both get dirty. Generall if you do not drive > much you should change it at least once a year even if it is only 1000 So first you tell Max he's wrong, then you turn around and agree with his recommendation. Fascinating... >>I suggest a good synthetic oil be used in your case. Synthetics don't have >>a [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > fresh oil before cold winter sets in. Okay, let the trolls come out > and try to find fault here with this. Showing up and baiting people is a good way to get blasted here but you know that don't ya. You only get jumped on when you post totally wrong and dangerous BS. Which you do 99% of the time. Although I don't agree with your opinion nobody will get killed over it. A engine may wear quicker but with only 1000 miles a year the body will probably fail first. Oh, I liked 'cuda's new name for ya. Here's what it looks like. What do ya think? > TheSnoFraud.com >Generally, mineral based (comes out of the ground) motor oil only lasts >about a year. Of course, all this depends on the type of oil, manufacturer, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I suggest a good synthetic oil be used in your case. Synthetics don't have a >natural breakdown, and react well to long term storage. This is TOTAL crap...oil does not beakdown ever..Its the additives not the oil. It last forever... The concept that oil "breaks down" or "wears out" is not correct. Just look at what has happened over the past fifteen years, in regards to oil drain intervals. Fifteen years ago, typical recommended oil drain intervals for a 300 horsepower H.D. diesel was around 8,000 to 10,000 miles in an over the road truck. Today, the same trucks typically have 425 to 450 horsepower engines, yet the oil drain intervals have increased to 15,000 to 25,000 miles. The same quality crude oil base stocks that were used 15 years ago are used to make oils of today. So why does the same oil today last twice as long as it did fifteen years ago? The answer can be found within the additive package of today's oil. The petroleum base of oil lube does not wear out, rather it is the additives within the oil that become depleted, due to the presence of contamination. >I've suddenly realized it's been about a year since my last oil change. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >jmc Oil last forever. It is the detergents in the oil that break down. It the detergents that suspend the grime and dirt. Just like soap in dishwater. The grease and dirt are still there but the detergent suspended them. When this happens the dirt is no longer being washed away from the wear points and is allowed to work on metal. Moisture also gets into the oil. That will do damage in that it separates the oil from itself. Myself it isn't the age you need worry about but the moisture in the engine. Salt water air in the crank will leave salt in the engine. Or if it was fresh water you still would have moister. That will be mixed with the oil when you fire it up. If you think I am full of it then just do the basic math. A oil change vs a new engine. Why did you ask is cheap to be wrong. > So, am I damaging my engine with old oil? Or is the # of miles more > important? As Max said, synthetic is your best option. As a side note ... you're in Australia correct? (No shipping restrictions on auto-parts that I'm aware of). I'd be happy to help you get the parts you need and send them to you if that will help any. May cost a bit more with shipping and all, but as has been said, better to be safe than sorry. Craig C. Suddenly, without warning, Craig C. exclaimed (27-Feb-07 12:46 AM): >> So, am I damaging my engine with old oil? Or is the # of miles more >> important? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Craig C. Thanks for the offer, Craig, but that sort of thing I'd normally get from PartsAmerica... 'cept I'll be in the US for a bit coming up, so I can get the parts while I'm there. Gotta get some air filters too. Planning on doing *lots* of shopping; the auto parts store is only the tip of the iceberg. I love Australia but the shopping in this small outback town gets very 'same old same old' very quickly :) Incidentally, I'd already made the decision to go synthetic. With what it costs for an oil change here, I'll probably save $$ in the long run :) Used to do my own, but I forgot one slight factor when I bought this truck: Arm length. Really hard to reach the filter! And before you ask, hubby's not much taller than I :) jmc You might consider changing to the larger-style filter rather than the typical shorty-style. Forgive the Fram part numbers here, but the shorty-style filter that's normally specified is PH16. The PH8 filter has the same threads, same O-ring, etc. -- but it has a longer filter body and longer element. Besides reducing restriction in the filter and a bit of a boost in pressure to the bearings, it is a lot easier to grab a hold of since the filter body sticks out a bit further from the mount. > Suddenly, without warning, Craig C. exclaimed (27-Feb-07 12:46 AM): >>> So, am I damaging my engine with old oil? Or is the # of miles more [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > jmc > Besides reducing restriction in the filter and a bit of a boost in pressure > to the bearings, it is a lot easier to grab a hold of since the filter body > sticks out a bit further from the mount. How does a longer filter help with oil pressure? Thanks, Steve Steve, A larger filter reduces oil pressure drop across the filter because it presents more filter surface area to the oil flow. This is not so important if the filter operates in bypass mode, but if it is used in full flow mode, the pressure drop and flow restriction is very important. Steve >> Besides reducing restriction in the filter and a bit of a boost in >> pressure to the bearings, it is a lot easier to grab a hold of since the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks, Steve oh, about 7 minutes. boo-hoo-hoo On any vehicle where I've had an oil pressure gauge, you can easily see that pressure is noticeably higher after the switch to the longer filter. Since the sending unit is in the circuit after the filter, it's showing an increase due to the less restrictive filter. I'm not an engineer, so I wouldn't know whether the engine actually derives real benefit from any additional pressure over the standard pressure. The big difference is that the oil filter is much easier to install and remove. >> Besides reducing restriction in the filter and a bit of a boost in >> pressure to the bearings, it is a lot easier to grab a hold of since the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks, Steve > On any vehicle where I've had an oil pressure gauge, you can easily see that > pressure is noticeably higher after the switch to the longer filter. I don't know about Dodges but it seems to me that most of the time the sender is prior to the filter in which case you'd see no difference. > > Planning on doing *lots* of shopping; the auto parts store is only the > tip of the iceberg. I love Australia but the shopping in this small > outback town gets very 'same old same old' very quickly :) jmc, You're not at Harold E. Holt, Exmouth, Western Australia by any chance are ya? I was stationed there for two years, 1981 and 1982. I loved that place! Diving, fishing and camping were the ticket! I had a Ford F150 there at the time. I put oil and filters in the cab so they'd be there when my truck arrived. Only owned Dodge trucks since....:) Cliff There are 2 killers of lube oil. The first is water though condensation. This will combine with the oil's residual sulpher and create sulpreric acid, which corrodes the oil. The second is heat. The lubricity of oil falls dramatically when the oil exceeds 100c. Exposure to these high temperatures causes the oil's surface tension to increase, a loss of shear strength along with viscosity. The first problem will be a non-issue in a desert environment, but the second could be. An oil cooler will greatly enhance the life of your oil, provided flow through the cooler is controlled with a 90c thermostat. Steve >> Suddenly, without warning, Craig C. exclaimed (27-Feb-07 12:46 AM):> On >> Feb 26, 5:52 am, jmc <NOnewsgroupsS...@NOjodiBODY.HOMEus> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Cliff > I've suddenly realized it's been about a year since my last oil change. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > jmc You will be OK. When you do drive it however, just make sure to drive it long enough to reach operating temp for a while. The short trips don't get the engine hot enough to cook out the moisture. If you used a good quality oil on your last change, you'll be OK. Most modern oils have enough additives to keep your TBN within an acceptable range, even after a year. Just don't let it happen again!..... tsk... tsk.... tsk ;^) Mike Suddenly, without warning, Mike Simmons exclaimed (27-Feb-07 11:00 AM): >> I've suddenly realized it's been about a year since my last oil change. >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Mike Problem is, there's nowhere to *go*. Town's only a couple of miles across (my longest round trip is just over 6 miles), and the next nearest town (I'm really not kidding here) is, I think, about 300 miles away. So, I either head outback, or I drive around town in circles :) Too bloody hot to go outback just now... That's my excuse for no oil change. There's no concept here about "while you wait". I'd have to leave the truck, and ride my mountain bike back from the shop. Dammit, it's 100 degrees out there! (get a blowdryer. Put it on high. Point it at your face. While exercising. THATS what I'm talking about!) Which is why the synthetic. Once a year, in winter :) jmc Suddenly, without warning, jmc exclaimed (26-Feb-07 9:22 PM): > I've suddenly realized it's been about a year since my last oil change. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > jmc Ok, so I'm online buying some filters (prolly can't get them here). Am I ripping myself off by buying the Fram ToughGuard filters, rather than the regular ones. My driving here meets some of the types of driving in the ad: Extreme heat & Unusually dirty roads (weird statement but I'll be driving some hundreds of miles of very dusty 4x4 roads in a couple of months... and many roads around here are unpaved, anyway. Anyway, I'll get a few now, and gather the collective wisdom of this group for when I need to buy the next batch :) jmc Suddenly, without warning, jmc exclaimed (02-Mar-07 8:12 PM): > Suddenly, without warning, jmc exclaimed (26-Feb-07 9:22 PM): >> I've suddenly realized it's been about a year since my last oil change. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > jmc Nevermind. Have to get 'em in the States (flyin' out tomorrow) and ship 'em myself. Partsamerica wanted $20 to ship three bloody filters and a small wrench. Augh! The whole parts order was only $25.00! Anybody know a good online parts vendor that charges fair shipping prices to APO addresses? jmc > Suddenly, without warning, jmc exclaimed (02-Mar-07 8:12 PM): >> Suddenly, without warning, jmc exclaimed (26-Feb-07 9:22 PM): [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > jmc I do! ;^) Mike If you have to buy them yourself and ship them back, buy something other than Fram, like Wix or one of the other well known industrial filter makers, such as Fleetguard. Fram isn't a good filter. SignatureMax Join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > Suddenly, without warning, jmc exclaimed (26-Feb-07 9:22 PM): >> I've suddenly realized it's been about a year since my last oil change. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > jmc > Ok, so I'm online buying some filters (prolly can't get them here). Am > I ripping myself off by buying the Fram ToughGuard filters, rather than [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > jmc- Since oil don't wear out and only gets contaminated, some companies make a centrifuge that takes out all the contaminates. Google it. Many of the larger commercial trucks have them. I believe they also make a smaller version for autos/pickups. They aren't cheap, but may be better than changing you oil and filter all the time. By using one, you only need to replace any oil that was burned occasionally and clean the centrifuge. Hank
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