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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / March 2007

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Insulation sound deadening

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Midlant - 17 Mar 2007 05:07 GMT
While I have my interior out anyone have good suggestions for adding
mass or insulation?
The Dynamat stuff is overly expensive. Not sure about the self-adhesive
roofing stuff as I don't want the interior to smell of tar/asphalt.

Thanks.
John
azwiley1 - 18 Mar 2007 18:41 GMT
Well, your choices really are limited to about four options.
1. Dynomat or similar product made for cars, all of which are expensive
2. An OEM style mat
3. The roofing stuff you mention, which I have seen used, but it's not as
effective as you might think and it is heavier then the stuff made for cars
4. A spray in sound dampener

> While I have my interior out anyone have good suggestions for adding mass
> or insulation?
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> Thanks.
> John
.boB - 18 Mar 2007 23:07 GMT
> Well, your choices really are limited to about four options.
> 1. Dynomat or similar product made for cars, all of which are expensive
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>>Thanks.
>>John

    Use a ceramic brush on material, like Lizard Skin.
 Insulate against heat and noise.  No gaps.  Not too
heavy.
    It's easy to apply, but takes time.   I brushed on
 a coat a day for 4 days.  Then just glue your padding
and carpet on top of it.

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azwiley1 - 18 Mar 2007 23:47 GMT
>> Well, your choices really are limited to about four options.
>> 1. Dynomat or similar product made for cars, all of which are expensive
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>     It's easy to apply, but takes time.   I brushed on a coat a day for 4
> days.  Then just glue your padding and carpet on top of it.

Never heard of this brand before, might even be worth a look for me when I
redo my truck.  One think I did notice is the price, if the OP doesn't want
to buy Dynomat, which would run him around the same price range (depending
on source of purchase) I'm not sure he would buy this.  Who knows though.
Hp - 19 Mar 2007 00:13 GMT
Has anybody tried any of the truck bed compounds such as line-x or rhino as
a spray sound deadener. It dries almost instantly and should be easyenough
to use inside the doors?

>>> Well, your choices really are limited to about four options.
>>> 1. Dynomat or similar product made for cars, all of which are expensive
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> (depending on source of purchase) I'm not sure he would buy this.  Who
> knows though.
azwiley1 - 19 Mar 2007 01:12 GMT
That alone won't really give you a large amount of sound dampening as that
is not what it is really intended for.  It will provide some, simply because
it will cut down on the resonant frequencies of the vibrating metal panels.
There is a spray product that is an undercoating/sound dampening that I have
used, bought from Checkers that works pretty well.

One think to note about spray dampeners, is that it takes layers of spray to
get the effect you can get from one sheet of the mat style.  IIRC most
sprays require about 3 - 4 complete coats to be completely effective.

> Has anybody tried any of the truck bed compounds such as line-x or rhino
> as a spray sound deadener. It dries almost instantly and should be
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>> (depending on source of purchase) I'm not sure he would buy this.  Who
>> knows though.
Midlant - 20 Mar 2007 01:49 GMT
Thanks all.
McMaster-Carr has a well known mat that is like the original Dynamat but
far cheaper. The panels do need to be dampened with a heavy material to
keep from vibrating. An absorber of some sort must also be used.
Price is a point with me as I'm not employed. I do have some income
coming in, but only enough to pay utilities bills and the like so price
point is imperative. Wnats don't outway needs.
What I found that is working pretty well is duct insulation from the box
stores. It's a self-adhesive foam with foil covering. It has some weight
so dampens and since it's visceilastic foam it's an absorbant as well. I
drove around today with the interior still out (drivers seat only as I
took the headliner in to get recovered. Roof, rear cab and rear side
walls are treated with 2 rolls of this tuff. I also shoved a one foot
peice of standard home insulation in the cavites on each side. It's
quiet! Still a lot of noise coming on from the door panels and floor by
comparison.
I want to get some more stuff up under the light weight foam the factory
uses under the dash.
When the carpet goes back in along with the seats and headliner, it
should be that much quieter. It's amazing how loud the truck is with the
interior out. They use it as sound deadening vice just a seat to sit on.
There is nothing behind the rear seat.
There is a factory applied something hard to the floor in spots as well
as the side panels. (4 inch squares or odd shaped sizes here and there
in no particular order)

I called a local industrial supply place looking for closed cell rubber
or neoprene and when asked what I wanted it for, the man said go get the
DIY bedliner. He used it on his jeep and was quite happy with the
outcome.

I read a post on a car forum site where a man had mixed concrete patch
with the liquid roof repair stuff with great results.  Just something I
read.

I talked to a local shop. Their experience has been regular dynomat
doesn't do much, but the extreme (which is visceolastic foam) works
well. Since the factory already has dampening taken care of, I'm looking
for absorbtion material; heavy dense closed cell foam of the type
normally used in audio apps. The duct insulation seems to be the ticket
for my price range ($14 for a 1 x 15 ft roll; doesn't go far). There is
an ebayer selling 1/4 closed cell neoprene in Ca for pretty cheap. It's
$25 for a full sheet 42 x 72 inches.  I could place that on the floor
but it might take up too much room and the carpeting not fit back into
place. I may add the duct insulation in spots as well as stop by a
carpet shop for a pad. I'm going to get the foam up under the factor's
foam as far as I can. I'm not removing the dash toget behind it, that's
for sure. LOL
Blessings,
John
Midlant - 20 Mar 2007 02:02 GMT
Here's something you might like reading.
http://www.sounddeadenershowdown.com/
 
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