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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / April 2007

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04 Dodge Ram 1500 HEMI stalls.

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jasoncrook@gmail.com - 04 Apr 2007 03:12 GMT
I have a 2004 Ram 1500 with the Hemi engine.  recently when it idles
below 750 rpms it stalls.  It only usually happends when I am slowing
down and have let off the gas.  I also have noticed that when sitting
stationary it idles at exactly 500 rpms.  This seems low and may
contribute to why when it drops below 750rpms and slows it will stall
out.  Any ideas what could be causing this?
jlongx2@earthlink.net - 05 Apr 2007 01:26 GMT
On Apr 3, 10:12 pm, jasoncr...@gmail.com wrote:
> I have a 2004 Ram 1500 with the Hemi engine.  recently when it idles
> below 750 rpms it stalls.  It only usually happends when I am slowing
> down and have let off the gas.  I also have noticed that when sitting
> stationary it idles at exactly 500 rpms.  This seems low and may
> contribute to why when it drops below 750rpms and slows it will stall
> out.  Any ideas what could be causing this.

Clean the throttle body, Carbon builds up around the butterflies and
slowly and closes the .010" gap that should be there. Once cleaned
Good (you can use brake cleaner and a rag) you should notice a crisper
throttle response as well. My 97 Sport did the same thing for a couple
of months, I was waisting money replacing MAP sensors, TPS sensors, O2
sensors with no resolution until, someone told me to clean my throttle
body, BINGO
nunya - 05 Apr 2007 13:28 GMT
> On Apr 3, 10:12 pm, jasoncr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I have a 2004 Ram 1500 with the Hemi engine.  recently when it idles
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> sensors with no resolution until, someone told me to clean my throttle
> body, BINGO

3M makes a kit available at most of the better automotive stores for
cleaning throttle bodies and injection systems.  it costs about 35 bucks and
does the best job of anything i have ever used.  just hang the can upside
down, remove the breather, feed the tube in the throttle body, crank the
truck and turn it on.  the vehicle will smoke like a freight train for about
5 to 10 minutes.  this kit not only get the throttle body clean but also the
rest of the injection system.

if you run name brand premium gas this isn't necessary very often but if you
are running off brand fuels and especially the lower octanes it would not
hurt to service the fuel injection system yearly.  i run nothing but premium
fuel in all four of my gas burners from my own pump and still find it
neccesary to clean the injection system about every 50 to 70k.

in this particular case i would recommend having your truck scanned to see
if there are any codes.  even if it shows and 02 sensor cleaning the
injection system may clear it up.  you should also check your plug wires and
other easy to visually inspect components before you do too much in the way
of swapping parts.

have you checked to make sure the air cleaner is not restricted and other
really simple stuff such as vacum lines?
michael
miles - 05 Apr 2007 14:21 GMT
> i run nothing but premium
> fuel in all four of my gas burners from my own pump and still find it
> neccesary to clean the injection system about every 50 to 70k.

I've not heard that premium burns cleaner than regular.  Actually I've
heard people report higher carbon build up after switching to premium
for awhile.
nunya - 06 Apr 2007 14:13 GMT
>> i run nothing but premium fuel in all four of my gas burners from my own
>> pump and still find it neccesary to clean the injection system about
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> heard people report higher carbon build up after switching to premium for
> awhile.

what people?  the guys selling cheap gas or a mechanic that works on
vehicles every day?  if they are switching back and forth from cheap gas to
premium how do they know which one is the culprit?

i had a truck that was giving me some trouble while it was still in warranty
so i kept taking it to the dealer.  after about half a dozen trips they
couldn't find anything wrong so they said it was because i was buring
premium gas.  i switched to mid grade and it got worse.  a couple of months
of this and it slap quit running.  i was so disgusted that i took it to a
real mechanic instead of the factory tech of the week.  it had quit running
due to a nasty throttle body resulting from the cheaper gas.  he also found
the original problem that the dealer missed which was a simple vacum leak.

the great gas debate will continue forever but i have taken enough motors
apart that i believe premium is better for the fuel delivery system than the
cheaper alternatives.
michael
miles - 06 Apr 2007 14:28 GMT
>  if they are switching back and forth from cheap gas to
> premium how do they know which one is the culprit?

Drive a a few years on regular, then a year on premium.  Some have
stated after doing so they had carbon build up issues.  Had it cleaned
up then went back to regular and no problems since.

> due to a nasty throttle body resulting from the cheaper gas.

There is cheap gas and good gas whether its regular or premium.  The
simple truth of the matter is that Premium does not mean better and
Regular does not mean worse.  People seem to think Premium means
cleaner, better, etc.  It means no such thing at all.
Mike - 06 Apr 2007 17:04 GMT
>>> i run nothing but premium fuel in all four of my gas burners from my own
>>> pump and still find it neccesary to clean the injection system about
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> vehicles every day?  if they are switching back and forth from cheap gas
> to premium how do they know which one is the culprit?

 Actually Chrysler. Chrysler has issued several TSB's that state using
premium gas in a vehicle that does not require premium can cause
driveability problems and will cause carbon build up in the engine.

> i had a truck that was giving me some trouble while it was still in
> warranty so i kept taking it to the dealer.  after about half a dozen
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> had quit running due to a nasty throttle body resulting from the cheaper
> gas.

All throttle bodies on all vehicles need peiodic cleaning regardless of
what grade fuel is being used. I've seen a dirty throttle body cause a low
idle/ no idle condition but I have yet to see it cause a vehicle to quit
running completely.

 he also found
> the original problem that the dealer missed which was a simple vacum leak.
>
> the great gas debate will continue forever but i have taken enough motors
> apart that i believe premium is better for the fuel delivery system than
> the cheaper alternatives.

 All grades of gasoline sold in the US have to have detergents added to
control fuel system deposits. Some companies may add more than the required
amount but the EPA requires all gasoline sold to have at least the minimum
amount.

More info can be found here:
http://www.vecc-sepa.org.cn/eng/news/news_detail.jsp?newsid=e00344

> michael
Roger Rabbid - 19 Apr 2007 06:32 GMT
>>> i run nothing but premium fuel in all four of my gas burners from my own
>>> pump and still find it neccesary to clean the injection system about
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>due to a nasty throttle body resulting from the cheaper gas.  he also found
>the original problem that the dealer missed which was a simple vacum leak.

the only thing that passes through a common day throttle body is
air... gas is delivered through the injectors which are located in the
intake runners. How does that relate the carbon problem to the
throttle body?
Mike - 06 Apr 2007 02:32 GMT
I agree the throttle body is likely the culprit here. It would be better to
use throttle body cleaner vs. brake cleaner as the manufacturer typically
coats the inside of the throttle body with a non-stick coating that harsh
cleaners can remove, which can cause more frequent cleaning to become
necessary. Also, I remove the throttle body from the vehicle so I can clean
it better as most of the carbon buildup is behind the throttle plates. I
remove the idle air control motor and clean that passage as well as the
pintle on the end of the motor. You don't want to disturb the throttle
position sensor and you should try to keep the cleaner out of it. Hope this
helps.

Mike
> On Apr 3, 10:12 pm, jasoncr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I have a 2004 Ram 1500 with the Hemi engine.  recently when it idles
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> sensors with no resolution until, someone told me to clean my throttle
> body, BINGO
 
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