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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / April 2007Is English becoming a second language in America?
I am amazed at the low quality writing skills of the average newsgroup member. People are incapable of writing complete accurate sentences. Their grammar is poor, and their spelling is just plain horrible. Punctuation and syntax are second thoughts. Chatroomese seems to dominate, with no rules and substitute words that are harder to type than the actual correct word. They are compound ignorant; so ignorant that they don't know they're ignorant. We get in all sorts of discussions about our labor being sent overseas, and jobs being stolen from "real Americans." I can understand why corporations outsource their technical help by just speaking with and reading the comments of these twenty something failures. Fact is, it's not an issue of jobs Americans do not want, it's an issue of jobs that many Americans just can't do. While it is true that the United States has a great crop of young minds with intellectual potential, it is also true that a very high percentage of the young population is dumber than a Q-Tip. No wonder they are working at marginal careers and still living at home with mom and pop. They are incapable of reading and comprehending technical manuals, writing a 1500 word half way decent progress report on a project, and won't even use the most basic tools of a thesaurus, dictionary, or SpellChecker. So many do not even comprehend the difference in there/their/they're type of word usage. And there's the issue of one ignorant fool rushing in to protect and save another. They band together tighter than a bunch of Jehovah's Witnesses when you challenge one of them on their lack of skills or intelligence. Being stupid is a temporary situation, and no shame is associated with it. Staying stupid is a choice, and shame on those who choose to do so. If you're tired of our country being overrun by illegal aliens, and our jobs being sent overseas to people who can do them, stop accepting less than acceptable behavior. Words mean things, and when a person is incapable of at least communicating effectively, they are worthless in the job market. They come across as immature uneducated juveniles, which is exactly what they are. What company is going to invest time and money in them when they show they can't even pay attention in English class? Steve >I am amazed at the low quality writing skills of the average newsgroup >member. People are incapable of writing complete accurate sentences. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Steve Steve: Your thoughts parallel mine, I have, many times, wondered the same thing. Often, someone will come here seeking help and can't even describe their problems cogently enough for someone to decipher what they want. It is more than merely chatroomese however, it is simply extremely poor speaking/writing skills. Their English prowess speaks volumes about the quality (or lack of) of our education system also as I presume that most are at least high school grads. Thanks for your observation and sharing your forthright thoughts with us though I fear some flames will be directed your way for this. Mike > Your thoughts parallel mine, I have, many times, wondered the > same thing. Often, someone will come here seeking help and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > of) of our education system also as I presume that most are at > least high school grads. Mike, the education system works in most areas. Thing is, it can't be blamed for lazy students with no drive to learn. Can't open up their heads and pour it in. Students are lazy these days because they know the government will take care of them because they are stupid.  SignatureTim McBride A.K.A. "Numan" Wazzup!!!!! > Wazzup!!!!! Yo bro, du take dat nappy haded ho to da crib n pound me sum puddin biyatch! Signature------MoParMaN------ TEDWARD Said: Eggs are really good for you. They have all the nutrition needed to make a chicken. >> Your thoughts parallel mine, I have, many times, wondered the same >> thing. Often, someone will come here seeking help and can't even [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > care > of them because they are stupid. You have a valid point! Mike > I am amazed at the low quality writing skills of the average newsgroup > member. People are incapable of writing complete accurate sentences. [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Steve This isn't English class. It's usenet. Lots of shorthand. People tend to type quickly and send "prolly" w/o reading what they wrote before hand. > This isn't English class. It's usenet. Lots of shorthand. People tend > to > type quickly and send "prolly" w/o reading what they wrote before hand. I fully agree. It is only a snob and a net nanny who insists on proper English at all times. In conversation, we use all sorts of shortcuts, vernacular, colloquialisms, and "Know whut uh mean, Vern?" A good conversationalist can adapt their own speech to match that of their audience. It is only when someone is on an entirely different level that difficulties arise. It's no fun talking to a snob, and it's no fun talking to an idiot. At time in all conversations we have said, or someone else has said something totally silly, a.s backwards, or switched around, and everyone knew exactly what they were talking about. I am just talking about atrocious posts that leave one scratching one's head and wondering what the person is talking about. Many people here can't write that well, yet convey their message or question very well. But for the younger ones who have had the benefit of a free public education, there's no excuse. And they're the ones who usually complain the loudest and who are the most racist because "someone else" has "their job". If one cannot write a simple post, how in the world are they going to write a JSA or IPE? (Job Safety Analysis or In Progress Evaluation) They're not, because laborers aren't called to do those tasks. Steve Because you are so interested in grammer, I would like to point out that "Many people here can't write that well" should read "Many people here can't write well" (sans "that") or "Many people here don't write well enough for me (Steve B.)." > Many people here can't write that well, yet convey their message or > question very well. But for the younger ones who have had the benefit of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Steve > Because you are so interested in grammer, I would like to point out that > "Many people here can't write that well" should read "Many people here > can't write well" (sans "that") or "Many people here don't write well > enough for me (Steve B.)." Ed, it's ok for him, sammy boy and beryl nuts to use incorrect grammar, at least in their minds. >> Many people here can't write that well, yet convey their message or >> question very well. But for the younger ones who have had the benefit of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> write a JSA or IPE? (Job Safety Analysis or In Progress Evaluation) >> They're not, because laborers aren't called to do those tasks. Why in the world would I want or need to write either of those type of documents? Neither have squat to do with my profession. Since you are such an expert on everything including grammar, I would love to have you read one of my papers I had to write for my degree programs to see just how much an "expert" you really are. Oh wait, now you are going to start thinking incorrectly again that I am "twenty something virgin kid" Well I will point out for you again that you will be incorrect. > Because you are so interested in grammer, I would like to point out that > "Many people here can't write that well" should read "Many people here > can't write well" (sans "that") or "Many people here don't write well > enough for me (Steve B.)." Oh, God. Nitpicking, are we? If you want to pick apart something a lot more undecipherable, start with azidiot's use of the English language. Oh, I forgot. You Rump Rangers stick together, right? Steve >> Because you are so interested in grammer, I would like to point out that >> "Many people here can't write that well" should read "Many people here [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Oh, God. Nitpicking, are we? If you want to pick apart something a lot > more undecipherable, start with azidiot's use of the English language. So it is ok for you to "nitpick" and blatantly attack me, some one you do not know and have never conversed with over something as petty as "lack of information" in a reply in a thread that was not even directed to you. Yet "we" are not allowed to do the same to you, I just love your double standards. > So it is ok for you to "nitpick" and blatantly attack me, some one you do > not know and have never conversed with over something as petty as "lack of > information" in a reply in a thread that was not even directed to you. > Yet "we" are not allowed to do the same to you, I just love your double > standards. I notice your "standards" are now shifting. Now your ignorance of guns is a "lack of information"? Were you ever in politics? Have you ever considered a career in that field? You would be good at it the way you change subjects, divert focus, fail to answer questions, answer questions with emotional ad hominem attacks, and just do the doublespeak sidestep dance. Steve >> So it is ok for you to "nitpick" and blatantly attack me, some one you do >> not know and have never conversed with over something as petty as "lack [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I notice your "standards" are now shifting. Now your ignorance of guns is > a "lack of information"? My standards have not "shifted" to anything other then what the truth of the matter is, the fact that for some reason you jumped in and attacked someone for not providing YOU all the information YOU felt should have been provided. I do not have an ignorance of guns, but you think what you will assclown. Please explain to me you ignorant troll, exactly how it is that because I did not specifically state for YOUR edification that it was a .357 SIG vice a .357 MAGNUM that I am the "child" that I am the "stupid one" that I am the one that has a problem? What is it that you repeatedly fail to understand and comprehend? You are the ONLY one that has a problem with me over this posting, as for why I am still waiting on an explaination. My not adding SIG or MAGNUM is absolutely not an issue with anyone else but you, and in absolutely no way indicates or as you like to see things preve I have a lack of knowledge in weapon ballistics. It has been pointed out that you have done the very same think concerning the .22 round, but it is acceptable for you to do, right? When and where did I piss in your cheerio's to warrant the blatant attack from you? > Were you ever in politics? No but if I were, I would ensure that self rightous, pompus a.ses like you don't own computers or guns! > Have you ever considered a career in that field? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Steve >>> So it is ok for you to "nitpick" and blatantly attack me, some one you >>> do not know and have never conversed with over something as petty as [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >> >> Steve I can see my efforts are paying off! You are speaking in more complete sentences. Your run on sentences are becoming MUCH shorter. Your grammatical and spelling errors are becoming fewer. Congratulations. You see how easy it is, if one just thinks a bit. I'll let the "vice" thing slide, as I don't want to criticize an otherwise good piece of writing from you. Keep up the good work. I was a little disappointed at the end there, though, when you said "> No but if I were, I would ensure that self rightous, pompus a.ses like you > don't own computers or guns!" You were doing good until then. People who are a lot better than you at taking away our rights are out there right now trying to do this very thing. Perhaps you could contact them if you think you are qualified to be on their team. They're always looking for gullible misinformed followers. Just remember that you'd have to give up your gun and computer, too. Again, kudos on your improved writing. Steve >>>> So it is ok for you to "nitpick" and blatantly attack me, some one you >>>> do not know and have never conversed with over something as petty as [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > >I can see my efforts are paying off! your efforts are always appreciated dweeb. >You are speaking in more complete >sentences. Your run on sentences are becoming MUCH shorter. Your [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Steve Just pointing out to a metericious snob complaining about improper grammer that said snob's grammer was incorrect. As to you're inept attempt at an insult... All my communications with azwily1 are in the public record as they have only been in the public news groups. As seems to be more [your| you're| you are| ya'lls| yar'se] modus operandi, when [your| you're| you are| ya'lls| yar'se] feelings have been hurt, you resort to baseless name calling. In case you wonder about my use of [..., ...] I suggest you read the introduction to any technical manual, then look up the definitions of the words within the square brackes (that is the [ and ] and between the vertical bar (that is |). and try to figure out what I wrote you. >> Because you are so interested in grammer, I would like to point out that >> "Many people here can't write that well" should read "Many people here [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Steve Because we're all so interested in nitpicking... > Just pointing out to a metericious snob complaining about improper grammer metericious? > that said snob's grammer was incorrect. Grammar, with two "a"s quote: Because you are so interested in grammer, I would like to point out that "Many people here can't write that well" should read "Many people here can't write well" (sans "that") Sans the redundant "people" too, it's understood that _people_ do the writing. "Many here can't write well." > As to you're inept attempt at an insult... your > All my communications with azwily1 are in the public record as they have azwiley1 comma goes here ^ > only been in the public news groups. As seems to be more [your| you're| you > are| ya'lls| yar'se] modus operandi, when [your| you're| you are| ya'lls| > yar'se] feelings have been hurt, you resort to baseless name calling. In > case you wonder about my use of [..., ...] I suggest you read the > introduction to any technical manual, then look up the definitions of the > words within the square brackes (that is the [ and ] and between the brackets (those are the [ and ]) > vertical bar (that is |). and try to figure out what I wrote you. bars (those are | |)... and why did you put a period outside the parentheses, before the lowercase and? SignatureIn girum imus nocte et consumimur igni You are correct, spelling wasn't one of my best skills in school. But then, I didn't go on a tiraid about language skills. > Because we're all so interested in nitpicking... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Grammar, with two "a"s > You are correct, spelling wasn't one of my best skills in school. But then, > I didn't go on a tiraid about language skills. But azpunkinpulp did, last month. Pity he couldn't foresee the SnoBall <pun intended> effect. SignatureIn girum imus nocte et consumimur igni > Because we're all so interested in nitpicking... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Grammar, with two "a"s Well, Ed? Easy, Steve. Let me sleep, work in the yard, clean my cars, do laundry, and take care of all the other things non-retired people must do when time permits. Believe it or not, I don't hang around waiting for your witty posts. >> Because we're all so interested in nitpicking... >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Well, Ed? > Easy, Steve. Let me sleep, work in the yard, clean my cars, do laundry, > and take care of all the other things non-retired people must do when time > permits. Believe it or not, I don't hang around waiting for your witty > posts. It don't get any better AFTER retirement. I do all those things, too. Many days I wished I'd go back to work so I wouldn't have to work as hard as I do now. But I usually just go take a nap until the thought passes. Steve In the sober light of midday I realize I made more than a few grammatical mistakes. I guess I shouldn't sit down at the computer with glass of wine after a long walk with the dogs. "You're" in place of "your" is the most embarrasing; I really do know the difference. When I see a mistake as bad as "Many people here can't write _that_ well" I assume (that pesky little verb, again) that Professor Steve B. must have his grammar mostly correct and didn't see the redundancy of "people." Why did you not correct him in when you corrected me? After all, he's the one who wrote such a heart felt essay on the subject of the English language. As to "metericious," I meant "meretricious;" I left out an "re" near the beginning. One day I may actually use a spell checker, but for now I choose to live on the wild side as a means to improve my spelling. I disagree with the "comma" comment, but maybe that's because I don't know between which two words you refer because my news reader shows your correction in the middle of "public." Even between "record" and "as" I don't think a comma is appropriate because "as" is a seperator word, thus precluding the need for a comma. The period outside the closing parentheses? I don't know, it must have just been a typographical error. Steve B. is allowed at least one per post, please extend the same favor to me. To both Beryl and Steve B., please correct any spelling, punctuation and grammar errors. I'm willing to learn from anyone, even those as arrogant as yourselves. > Because we're all so interested in nitpicking... > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > bars (those are | |)... and why did you put a period outside > the parentheses, before the lowercase and? > In the sober light of midday I realize I made more than a few grammatical > mistakes. I guess I shouldn't sit down at the computer with glass of wine [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > grammar errors. I'm willing to learn from anyone, even those as arrogant > as yourselves. Arrogant teachers DO get your attention, don't they? I have learned the most from those types. As for you, young man, there's nothing wrong with your writing or your writing style. I do have a problem with those who write in chatroomese, who use run on sentences, and can't even operate a spell checker for the basic words. We all do have typos and momentary lapses, and just plain mistakes. It's the twelve year olds who spew curse words and can't put their thoughts down that I have trouble with. But, because of that, they're the easiest to deal with. Steve > As for you, young man, there's nothing wrong with your writing or your > writing style. I do have a problem with those who write in chatroomese, > who use run on sentences, and can't even operate a spell checker Spell checking software is a crutch. for the basic > words. We all do have typos and momentary lapses, and just plain > mistakes. It's the twelve year olds who spew curse words and can't put > their thoughts down that I have trouble with. > > But, because of that, they're the easiest to deal with. And you like the easy meat, don't you? > Steve > Spell checking software is a crutch. Spell check is like a dictionary. They don't do a lot of good unless you know how to use them, and have a good idea of how to spell the word in the first place. But they do catch a lot of typos. It's funny at times what gets through spell check. Like those programs that were available a few years ago that were supposed to type what you spoke, they were hilarious at times. >> But, because of that, they're the easiest to deal with. > > And you like the easy meat, don't you? Huh? I fail to follow your homoerotic comments. Would you care to explain? And what's this thing with ESP and your belief that you can tell what other people are thinking? If you believe that, you are a nut case, or are needed in the NSA. Don't quit your therapist. Steve >>> But, because of that, they're the easiest to deal with. >> >> And you like the easy meat, don't you? It is a reference to a line from a "Pink Floyd" song. I can't blame you for not catching that. However, I notice many mentions of "homoerotic" and "rest stops" in your posts. I made one comment (actually two after correcting myself by inserting a missing word) about your love of sheep. I'm not particulary proud of that comment, but in light of your post that I'm responding to now, I think it rings true. > Huh? I fail to follow your homoerotic comments. Would you care to > explain? And what's this thing with ESP and your belief that you can tell > what other people are thinking? I'm paraphrasing here, but you stated "it's easier to deal with 12 year olds that cuss a lot." If given the task of finding all your cusses and/or insulting remarks for no reason from those you were responding to over the last few days, I will do my best. >If you believe that, you are a nut case, or are needed in the NSA. I wouldn't take the drop in pay the NSA could afford. > Don't quit your therapist. Why would I? She's a great lay. > Steve >>>> But, because of that, they're the easiest to deal with. >>> >>> And you like the easy meat, don't you? > > It is a reference to a line from a "Pink Floyd" song. I can't blame you > for not catching that. "How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?" You're talking to an old Pink Floyd fan. Early stuff. Like Meddle. Please, for my own peace of mind, where is the "easy meat" line in Pink Floyd? Steve I'll trade you for the information. I'll tell you album, song and year it was released if you answer the question of why you continued your attack on azwily1 in the "guns on campus" thread after it was pointed out to you that your assumption (and the resulting, inappropriate behavior, which you rightfully decry in this thread) was just that, an assumption. >>>>> But, because of that, they're the easiest to deal with. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Steve > I'll trade you for the information. I'll tell you album, song and year it > was released if you answer the question of why you continued your attack > on azwily1 in the "guns on campus" thread after it was pointed out to you > that your assumption (and the resulting, inappropriate behavior, which you > rightfully decry in this thread) was just that, an assumption. I'll make you a deal. Any time I have to explain my actions to you, you can shoot me. Steve This is not the eloquent reply I excepted from you, Professor Steve. However, I'm pleasantly surprised you didn't call me names that I won't allow in my house. I guess maybe you too, can learn. >> I'll trade you for the information. I'll tell you album, song and year >> it was released if you answer the question of why you continued your [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Steve > This is not the eloquent reply I excepted from you, Professor Steve. > However, I'm pleasantly surprised you didn't call me names that I won't > allow in my house. I guess maybe you too, can learn. That doesn't make sense. "excepted"? As to foul language, you have me confused with azwiley on that count. Steve "Clueless short dicked eggheads..." "homoerotic" "rump rangers" But more than that, it's your general, smug attitude that would cause me to escort you to the door if you said those things in my house. >> This is not the eloquent reply I excepted from you, Professor Steve. >> However, I'm pleasantly surprised you didn't call me names that I won't >> allow in my house. I guess maybe you too, can learn. > > That doesn't make sense. "excepted"? Typo, you have them too. It's kind of like another post in which the letters within the words were all jumbled, my eyes went right over it. Besides, I doubt you're confused, you're just using it as an excuse to act superior. > As to foul language, you have me confused with azwiley on that count. > > Steve >>>>> But, because of that, they're the easiest to deal with. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Steve Dogs > As for you, young man, there's nothing wrong with your writing or your > writing style. I do have a problem with those who write in chatroomese, > who use run on sentences, and can't even operate a spell checker for the > basic words. We all do have typos and momentary lapses, and just plain > mistakes. It's the twelve year olds who spew curse words and can't put > their thoughts down that I have trouble with. What are you doing in here as there are no 12 year olds. Let me hear the insults again about my age due to your ignorance and lack of knowledge >> As for you, young man, there's nothing wrong with your writing or your >> writing style. I do have a problem with those who write in chatroomese, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > What are you doing in here as there are no 12 year olds. Let me hear the > insults again about my age due to your ignorance and lack of knowledge I'm sorry. My comments were to ED H. Your part of this conversation is ................. class? class? >>> As for you, young man, there's nothing wrong with your writing or your >>> writing style. I do have a problem with those who write in chatroomese, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I'm sorry. My comments were to ED H. Your part of this conversation is > ................. Just like my comments in the reply where I mention .357 with out anything else were to some one else! You were not involved in the entire thread until you attacked me, in a "comment to some one else" Sorry forgot you were all about double standards and the do as I say not as I do rule! >>>> As for you, young man, there's nothing wrong with your writing or your >>>> writing style. I do have a problem with those who write in [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > until you attacked me, in a "comment to some one else" Sorry forgot you > were all about double standards and the do as I say not as I do rule! You really need to get your meds refilled. Give it a rest. Steve I suggest you read the > introduction to any technical manual, then look up the definitions of the > words within the square brackes (that is the [ and ] and between the > vertical bar (that is |). and try to figure out what I wrote you. Please, Ed! Reading what you post makes me dizzy. Rereading it would make me plain nauseous to the point of vomiting. Steve > Please, Ed! Reading what you post makes me dizzy. Rereading it would > make me plain nauseous to the point of vomiting. > > Steve That gives me a small amount of pleasure. > It is only a snob and a net nanny who insists on proper English > at all times. In conversation, we use all sorts of shortcuts, > vernacular, colloquialisms, and "Know whut uh mean, Vern?" A > good conversationalist can adapt their own speech to match that > of their audience. Exactly! Just like Hillary. She has more accents than anyone I've ever seen in my life. SignatureTim McBride A.K.A. "Numan" >> It is only a snob and a net nanny who insists on proper English at all >> times. In conversation, we use all sorts of shortcuts, vernacular, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > seen > in my life. Hillary reminds me of Woody Allen in "Zelig". He's a chameleon who changes instantly to fit in with whatever situation he finds himself. And Hillary does, too. Years ago, Pat Paulson would run for president, but only as a farce. In every town he was hosted at, he would say something like, "You know, (this town) is the most beautiful place in the United States, somewhere I'd like to move to some day." (or something close to that) And he said that word for word in every town that would throw a party or parade for him. It was his swipe at politicians being chameleons. I would describe Hillary as a chameleon, but I like those little lizards more than to do that. Besides, chameleons don't have thighs that out of proportion. WOW! Steve >> This isn't English class. It's usenet. Lots of shorthand. People tend >> to [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > totally silly, a.s backwards, or switched around, and everyone knew > exactly what they were talking about. But, we are using a medium that doesn't allow for translation of dialect, body language, local colloquialisms, etc. Therefore your posts need to be checked for completeness and accuracy if you want your thoughts to be interpreted correctly. Typos arent an issue but wrong use of words can completely change the context of a sentence. "loose" and "lose" are by far the biggest example I have ever seen of this and do change context when transposed. Would you rather the enemy "loose" his missiles or "lose" his missiles? >>> This isn't English class. It's usenet. Lots of shorthand. People tend >>> to [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > transposed. Would you rather the enemy "loose" his missiles or "lose" his > missiles? Totally, true. My point is that the credibility of these twenty-something morons who don't have a clue that they are using lose/loose (and others) incorrectly is suspect. If they have such disregard for basic spelling, they generally aren't too specific about other things either. Like facts. And then if that doesn't work, they run their potty mouths and end every other word in "tard", whatever that means. Steve >>>> This isn't English class. It's usenet. Lots of shorthand. People >>>> tend to [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Steve Tard? That means yore plum wore out! ;^) Mike >>>>> This isn't English class. It's usenet. Lots of shorthand. People >>>>> tend to [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >> >> Steve yeah, kind of like get-r-done? here here (or is it hear hear...lol) I agree 100%. I encounter numerous individuals that you just described on a daily basis and it's almost commonplace. I feel our education environment is severely lacking and needs tweaking. Signature------------------------------------------ Laszlo Almasi ----Cool Toys (formerly Carolina Watercraft Works) ----Mack Daddy Trailers ----Ice Angels >I am amazed at the low quality writing skills of the average newsgroup >member. People are incapable of writing complete accurate sentences. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Steve this is an interesting topic. to some degree, i have to agree with you. english skills have definately declined. writing skills included. on the other hand, i am not quite as anal about it as you are. in fact, steve, you seem to get pretty stressed about a lot of things. anyway, there is a lot of reading that you can do on this very subject and the prevailing opinion seems to be that we are in a transition. writing skills simply will not be as valuable in the future. to some degree steve, you are judging a new world with old world rules. technology may very well do your writing for you soon. it already can do quite a bit. for instance steve, i could put this post through a software program that would add capitals, correct my puncuation, correct my spelling errors and make grammar changes. but then, what for? you would not understand what i wrote any better. it would just fit into your structured rules a little better and as a result your blood pressure would not have to rise as you read it. that however, is really your problem. so, while to some degree you have a point, i still think that you are just a very uptight, anal dweeb who just needs to try to find some reason that he can feel that he is in some way superior to others. if it wasn't grammar, you would just find another source of irritation. you are just one of those stuffy people that ends up blowing an o-ring early in life because you don't have any idea about what is really important and what isn't. just saying steve. thedumbguy >here here (or is it hear hear...lol) > [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >> >> Steve > so, while to some degree you have a point, i still think that you are > just a very uptight, anal dweeb who just needs to try to find some > reason that he can feel that he is in some way superior to others. You confuse two issues: feeling superior, and being superior. People who disdain details and are sloppy in their writing are very likely to be sloppy about everything else in their lives. Therefore, inferior beings. Steve >> so, while to some degree you have a point, i still think that you are >> just a very uptight, anal dweeb who just needs to try to find some [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Steve very nice adolph. >>> so, while to some degree you have a point, i still think that you are >>> just a very uptight, anal dweeb who just needs to try to find some [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > very nice adolph. You're welcome. Can't come up with a logical lucid counterpoint, so you just grab at a racial slur. Thoroughly expected and understood. You are so predictable it's scary. Simply stated, those who choose to remain uneducated, unmotivated and unimproved can best be described as inferior. It is basic human nature for one to want better for themselves and their families. Each generation wants a better life for their progeny. Each person wants something better. Especially if they are cognizant enough of their own personal situation to realize that they are living a life of settling for less. Most rich and successful people in history have not started off that way, but come through adversity, poverty, hardship, and challenges to succeed. These are the superior beings. Not the ones who sit back and accept the status quo because that's the way it's always been done, because it's easier to blame someone else than accept responsibility for one's own failures, or just that they're too lazy to make any effort. And our society has made it easier by pandering to these voting slugs by providing social welfare programs, giveaways and entitlements. If you can't understand the concept of inferior/superior beings, you really ARE one of the stupid ones. History is full of them. It's all written down in books. You have heard of books, right? No? You must be able to read, although your ability to write is questionable. Read. Study. Improve yourself. Stop being inferior. It's the easy way out. Sigh ........... >>>> so, while to some degree you have a point, i still think that you are >>>> just a very uptight, anal dweeb who just needs to try to find some [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Can't come up with the rest of the rant edited out as my service to my fellow man for today. dweeb steve......you are one huge moron. i bet you got picked on as a kid. that makes we wonder........with that many guns, how long will it be before we read about you in the paper? pretending to be an intellectual after you get out of jr. high school for the day by using your momys computer is going to get you into trouble little boy. >>>>> so, while to some degree you have a point, i still think that you are >>>>> just a very uptight, anal dweeb who just needs to try to find some [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > for the day by using your momys computer is going to get you into > trouble little boy. Still can't discuss the issues and questions posed, but have to resort to ad hominem attacks, eh? Come back when you can logically debate the issues posed. And in the meantime, work on that spelling and grammar and punctuation. You REALLY suck at it. But, hey, it's never too late to go back to school and graduate. Even if it is a GES diploma. Do something about your inferiority besides flagrantly demonstrate it. Steve >>>>>> so, while to some degree you have a point, i still think that you are >>>>>> just a very uptight, anal dweeb who just needs to try to find some [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Do something about your inferiority besides flagrantly demonstrate it. You know, I would just love for you to explain why it is that you have come to the conclusion that you are "superior" to anyone in this here newsgroup? It did not take Albert Einstein to figure out "who" you directed this thread at when you started it, but for some reason at the age of 58 you felt you had to. Ironically though, one would believe that at the age of 58 you would be well beyond the school yard games, because Steve that is about exactly what you are resorting to. "I'm better then you" "My dad makes more money then you" "My house is bigger then yours" How is it that you have come taken to insulting and attacking us when you know absolutely nothing about the backgrounds, education, jobs and so on? You think that because you don't feel we "follow proper grammar" that we are uneducated, that we are some "lower life form" then you make a smart assed reply to theguy about his supposed "racial remark" Based of your writings in this here thread if ANYONE has a Hitler type complex it is you. >>>>>>> so, while to some degree you have a point, i still think that you >>>>>>> are [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > writings in this here thread if ANYONE has a Hitler type complex it is > you. God, you really are dense, aren't you? I wasn't the one who came up with the "adolph" comment. You are NOT lower life forms. You are just inferior, and continue to prove it with every post. Steve >>>>>>>> so, while to some degree you have a point, i still think that you >>>>>>>> are [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] >God, you really are dense, aren't you? I wasn't the one who came up with >the "adolph" comment. again, larry, he is resorting to the bottom barrel type of retorts, in this case trying to confuse you about who said what. he's got nothing else. >You are NOT lower life forms, i am. that is true steve. at least you realize that. > i am just inferior, and continue to prove >it with every post. > >Steve true again sweeb. >>>>>>> so, while to some degree you have a point, i still think that you are >>>>>>> just a very uptight, anal dweeb who just needs to try to find some [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >You know, I would just love for you to explain why it is that you have come >to the conclusion that you are "superior" to anyone in this here newsgroup? he doesn't larry. he knows what a loser he is, he is just trying to piss you off. >It did not take Albert Einstein to figure out "who" you directed this thread >at when you started it, but for some reason at the age of 58 you felt you >had to. Ironically though, one would believe that at the age of 58 you >would be well beyond the school yard games, because Steve that is about >exactly what you are resorting to. "I'm better then you" "My dad makes >more money then you" "My house is bigger then yours" pretty much it. it is fun to watch him degrade into jr. high school crap though. >How is it that you have come taken to insulting and attacking us when you >know absolutely nothing about the backgrounds, education, jobs and so on? >You think that because you don't feel we "follow proper grammar" that we are >uneducated, that we are some "lower life form" then you make a smart assed >reply to theguy about his supposed "racial remark" Based of your writings >in this here thread if ANYONE has a Hitler type complex it is you. >>>>>> so, while to some degree you have a point, i still think that you are >>>>>> just a very uptight, anal dweeb who just needs to try to find some [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >Come back when you can logically debate the issues posed. i did dweeb. the issue is you. we can discuss you. i did discuss you. once again you don't know what you are talking about. >And in the meantime, work on that spelling and grammar and punctuation. oh, i sure will little boy. >You REALLY suck at it. But, hey, it's never too late to go back to school >and graduate. Even if it is a GES diploma. ged? a subject i suspect that you know a great deal about. >Do something about your inferiority besides flagrantly demonstrate it. lol. you are really reaching now. you been watching reruns of hulk hogan or what? >dweeb >>You REALLY suck at it. But, hey, it's never too late to go back to school >>and graduate. Even if it is a GES diploma. This explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) >>>You REALLY suck at it. But, hey, it's never too late to go back to school >>>and graduate. Even if it is a GES diploma. > > This explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES > diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle > dick. :) You blurt out the dopiest comments imaginable. SignatureIn girum imus nocte et consumimur igni Don't you mean GED? Signature------------------------------------------ Laszlo Almasi ----Cool Toys (formerly Carolina Watercraft Works) ----Mack Daddy Trailers ----Ice Angels >>>You REALLY suck at it. But, hey, it's never too late to go back to >>>school [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle > dick. :) > Don't you mean GED? Yes, I did. And D and S are very close on the keyboard. But, Hey, I made the mistake. At least I have my then/than, your,you're, their/there/they're, and two/to/too usages correct. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Steve So it is "ok" for you to make mistakes, but no one else. It is ok for you to jump on some one for omitting a very small piece of information, only to turn around and do the very same thing? Double standards once again, are you related to Al Sharpton and/or Jesse Jackson? >> Don't you mean GED? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Steve > So it is "ok" for you to make mistakes, but no one else. It is ok for you > to jump on some one for omitting a very small piece of information, only > to turn around and do the very same thing? Double standards once again, > are you related to Al Sharpton and/or Jesse Jackson? A typo of an S for a D pales by your following statement: No but if I were, I would ensure that self rightous, pompus a.ses like you don't own computers or guns! self rightous pompus Congratulations on getting "ensure" right, though? Is that one of your new spelling words this week? Steve >> So it is "ok" for you to make mistakes, but no one else. It is ok for >> you to jump on some one for omitting a very small piece of information, >> only to turn around and do the very same thing? Double standards once >> again, are you related to Al Sharpton and/or Jesse Jackson? > > A typo of an S for a D pales by your following statement: Oh but it is a "mistake" that is "allowed" by you but no one else can make them. This is the crux of this situation, not the fact that a mistake was made by anyone, but that you attacked some one for making an incomplete statement (at least as you saw it) than you went on to do the same very thing. Yet, when you were called on it (very politely I might add unlike the manner in which you did) you retreated with tucked tail and started on the spelling, grammar and math skills of others. Ironically enough, you STILL have not explained why you felt it necessary to jump in and attack the way you did. Is it because you are trying to defend Snoman? Against what? There is a HUGE difference between he and I, first my post was not in direct reply to someone asking a question or seeking help as where he has a habit of doing so with useless information. Would you like examples? Second when I do reply directly to someone in need of help the information I provide is not detrimental or harmful as where his on many (though not all cases) is. Again would you like examples? Again Steve, what exactly is it that popped your cork about my post, other than I omitted either SIG or MAGNUM? What is so ungodly hard about explaining your actions? What is so ungodly hard about > explaining your actions? IIRC, the whole thing started with your statements about jumping up in the middle of the dark and stormy night and shooting at every movement and sound with your ".357". And then, I took exception of that from a safety standpoint, and we were off to the races from there. Did you get it that time, Pookie? Steve > What is so ungodly hard about >> explaining your actions? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > sound with your ".357". And then, I took exception of that from a safety > standpoint, and we were off to the races from there. And once again, I will ask that you show me where I stated that I would "jumped up in the middle of the dark and stormy night and shooting at every movement and sound with your ".357"." You can't and you know it, because I NEVER f.cking said it. Don't snip it to suit you assclown, the fact is those word were never typed by me. You and your f.cking faggot a.s friends spun it that way to justify your actions! You didn't take exception to sh.t all that was said, you f.cking attacked me about something that was none of your f.cking concern. As to the "safety" standpoint, don't worry, I don't miss what I shoot at and I would be more then happy to demonstrate on your sorry a.s. >> What is so ungodly hard about >>> explaining your actions? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > standpoint, don't worry, I don't miss what I shoot at and I would be more > then happy to demonstrate on your sorry a.s. I'm sorry, but this writing essay gets an F-. Please rewrite it without curse words and I shall consider reading it. Your English goes to heck when you get emotional, doesn't it? You'll need to conquer that before graduating middle school, as I hear they are cracking down on angry outbursts in the high schools now. Steve Yeah...I know. Was jsut giving you a hard time is all. (you like that "jsut" up there?) Signature------------------------------------------ Laszlo Almasi ----Cool Toys (formerly Carolina Watercraft Works) ----Mack Daddy Trailers ----Ice Angels >> Don't you mean GED? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Steve With all the millions illegal aliens and million of immigrants, in addition to workers with visas the US government is allowing into the US from every single third world country each year, YES. >I am amazed at the low quality writing skills of the average newsgroup >member. People are incapable of writing complete accurate sentences. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Steve >I am amazed at the low quality writing skills of the average newsgroup >member. I'm even more amazed at the poor reading and comprehension skills of you (SteveB.). > We get in all sorts of discussions about our labor being sent overseas, > and jobs being stolen from "real Americans." I can understand why > corporations outsource their technical help by just speaking with and > reading the comments of these twenty something failures. Fact is, it's > not an issue of jobs Americans do not want, it's an issue of jobs that > many Americans just can't do. Comprehension is tough for you, isn't it? Not only is it important to state your thoughts in a clear, concise manner, it's also important to understand what others say to you, regardless of your perception of their short comings. > While it is true that the United States has a great crop of young minds > with intellectual potential, it is also true that a very high percentage > of the young population is dumber than a Q-Tip. This is a paradox. Either they have intellectual potential (as I believe) or they are "dumber than a Q-tip." Though I would place you in the latter. >They are incapable of reading and comprehending Given your posts in the "guns on campus" thread, this is a hoot. > And there's the issue of one ignorant fool rushing in to protect and save > another. They band together tighter than a bunch of Jehovah's Witnesses > when you challenge one of them on their lack of skills or intelligence. > Being stupid is a temporary situation, and no shame is associated with it. > Staying stupid is a choice, and shame on those who choose to do so. By this I assume you mean your "rest stop" buddies in the afformentioned "Guns on campus" thread. > If you're tired of our country being overrun by illegal aliens, and our > jobs being sent overseas to people who can do them, stop accepting less > than acceptable behavior. Another hoot, son. > Words mean things, Hoot, hoot. > and when a person is incapable of at least communicating effectively, they > are worthless in the job market. They come across as immature uneducated > juveniles, which is exactly what they are. Hoot, hoot, hoot, hoot, hoot, ad infinitum. >>I am amazed at the low quality writing skills of the average newsgroup >>member. > > I'm even more amazed at the poor reading and comprehension skills of you > (SteveB.). The "skills of you" huh? >>We get in all sorts of discussions about our labor being sent overseas, >>and jobs being stolen from "real Americans." I can understand why [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > what others say to you, regardless of your perception of their short > comings. How short are your comings, Ed? Ever get them past your shoes? >>While it is true that the United States has a great crop of young minds >>with intellectual potential, it is also true that a very high percentage >>of the young population is dumber than a Q-Tip. > > This is a paradox. Either they have intellectual potential (as I believe) > or they are "dumber than a Q-tip." Ah, you see "they" as one cohesive group, a group which must be either/or. Though I would place you in the latter. The latter what? Group? Where did that paradox go? >>They are incapable of reading and comprehending > > Given your posts in the "guns on campus" thread, this is a hoot. hoot >>And there's the issue of one ignorant fool rushing in to protect and save >>another. They band together tighter than a bunch of Jehovah's Witnesses [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > By this I assume you mean your "rest stop" buddies in the afformentioned > "Guns on campus" thread. Don't make giggly assumptions so based on someone else's giggly remarks, say something real here. Try. >>If you're tired of our country being overrun by illegal aliens, and our >>jobs being sent overseas to people who can do them, stop accepting less >>than acceptable behavior. > > Another hoot, son. hoot >>Words mean things, > > Hoot, hoot. hoot >>and when a person is incapable of at least communicating effectively, they >>are worthless in the job market. They come across as immature uneducated >>juveniles, which is exactly what they are. > > Hoot, hoot, hoot, hoot, hoot, ad infinitum. Great work, Ed. SignatureIn girum imus nocte et consumimur igni >>>I am amazed at the low quality writing skills of the average newsgroup >>>member. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > The "skills of you" huh? Egad, I really embarrased my self with that one. Composition was another area in school in which I was weak and I've worked to correct it ever since. After a few adult beverages on a Friday night I sometimes slip into my old habits. >>>We get in all sorts of discussions about our labor being sent overseas, >>>and jobs being stolen from "real Americans." I can understand why [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Ah, you see "they" as one cohesive group, a group which must be either/or. After re-reading Steve's remarks I see what he means. Sometimes my comprehension is flawed too. At least I can admit it. Therefore, I retract my "paradox" statement. > Though I would place you in the latter. > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Great work, Ed. Thank you Beryl for taking the time to correct my mistakes. >I am amazed at the low quality writing skills of the average newsgroup >member. People are incapable of writing complete accurate sentences. Their [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > >Steve Actually, I did quite poorly with English during my school days, and I haven't suffered an ounce of consequence for it. Do I spell every word in my posts correctly? the answer to that would be an emphatic NO. Do I go out of my way to? again, NO! I work for a very secure company, I make top wages in my field, and the future for my family and I is secure. Have I attended any schools? NONE! Everything I know is via hands on. Intelligent people don't need college, trade schools, or anything else of that nature to be intelligent productive members of society making good wages and worrying about the security of their jobs. So what if they use chatroom shorthand?? BIG WHOOP!! we're all guilty of it. Like the other posters have said. It's all in the way they lay out the description of their problems. Quit knitpicking and do something more constructive with your perfect punctuation!! I've seen people in high paying positions who can't distinguish the difference between many English words, and yet there they are with all of their education constantly making spelling errors in company literature. Does it make them dumb as a box of Q-Tips? NO. All You have managed to do is point out your own ignorance to what real intelligence is all about. This country wouldn't function if not for the C average English using population. Be thankful we're here... We keep your sh.t running for you because You're incapable of doing it for yourself. >>I am amazed at the low quality writing skills of the average newsgroup >>member. People are incapable of writing complete accurate sentences. Their [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] >We keep your sh.t running for you because You're incapable of doing it >for yourself. I fergitted da dayum spellered cheeker thingermahjiggy. Shame on me! >----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- >http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups >----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- > I fergitted da dayum spellered cheeker thingermahjiggy. > > Shame on me! Your post was most eloquent. I just have trouble giving any credibility to someone who writes something like, "their are two many trucks inn the road", and doesn't have a clue they made a mistake. Steve >>I am amazed at the low quality writing skills of the average newsgroup >>member. People are incapable of writing complete accurate sentences. [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > We keep your sh.t running for you because You're incapable of doing it > for yourself. As a former tradesman, I agree with you. There's the guys who sit around and talk about it and plan it and plot it, then there's the guys who get out there and get it done. I'm sorry you were unable to grasp my post. What I said is that it is sad to accept unacceptable behavior and to foster it by not seeking for a higher standard. To wit: even azidiot's posts have come up a noticeable notch in his use of English since this thread started. He is using upper case letters to start sentences, and using more punctuation. He is spelling better, and I can't say if that is because he is watching what he posts more, or just turned on the spell checker. HE IS MAKING MORE SENSE. Before, he looked like a crackhead with a typewriter. Now he is looking better. And I think it's because he's just thinking a little more. I am glad you are successful. I have known many successful men who were lacking in skills. Yet, in today's world, those people are becoming rarer and rarer. And many times, I see that people hit the "glass ceiling" when moving up in a company because of their skill levels which prevent them from going any farther. And almost always, the position goes to a younger better educated person. Steve youll like this GO f.ck YOURSELF DOUCHEBAG Ya know, at least I have enough "respect" for a lowlife, self righteous pompous a.s to use his "proper" screen name. To bad that at the age of 58 you don't have the same respect. >>>I am amazed at the low quality writing skills of the average newsgroup >>>member. People are incapable of writing complete accurate sentences. [quoted text clipped - 99 lines] > > Steve >youll like this > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >pompous a.s to use his "proper" screen name. To bad that at the age of 58 >you don't have the same respect. Silly lil boy , the following is from one of your posts: He doesn't know what the hell he is talking about Roy, his head is too far up Snotard a.s to hear, read, or write in a manner that every one else can understand. About the only thing that we could all understand and slightly agree on was we were all sick of the Bible thumping. Talk about double standards. Now if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. >>youll like this >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Talk about double standards. >Now if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. shitstone..........it is so nice of you, barrell and dweeb to come over here from the home repair newsgroups to help out snotard. maybe we should all go over the home repair newsgroups and continue this there? although, none of you seem to be real popular over there since you act with the same arrogance there that you do here. never the less, you do seem to have more ability with home repair than with guns. somehow, that doesn't surprise me. do you three share a home? you must. who is the pitcher and who is the catcher? not that it is any of my business, but i am curious. >>>youll like this >>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > you must. who is the pitcher and who is the catcher? not that it is > any of my business, but i am curious. We are always happy to help out inferior beings, no matter the venue. Steve >>>>youll like this >>>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >We are always happy to help out inferior beings, no matter the venue. well........just know that it is appreciated dweeb. >Steve >>>>>youll like this >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >>Steve You're welcome, and just know we do it for the altruism and for no personal reward other than helping people. Look at how much certain people have improved in just a short time. Steve Only great minds can read this This is weird, but interesting! fi yuo cna raed tihs, yuo hvae a sgtrane mnid too Cna yuo raed tihs? Olny 55 plepoe out of 100 can. i cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt! So does it really matter? >I am amazed at the low quality writing skills of the average newsgroup >member. People are incapable of writing complete accurate sentences. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Steve > Only great minds can read this > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > So does it really matter? Just as long as you have the correct letters at the beginning and end of a word, the letters in the middle are in the correctly spelled word and it's a word that the adult reading it has seen before. Still that is a pretty amazing phenomenon. >Only great minds can read this > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > So does it really matter? Scuh a cdonition is arppoiately cllaed 'Typoglycemia' . >>Only great minds can read this >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> So does it really matter? > Scuh a cdonition is arppoiately cllaed 'Typoglycemia' . OMG...is there a prescription drug for this? >>Only great minds can read this >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> So does it really matter? > Scuh a cdonition is arppoiately cllaed 'Typoglycemia' . |
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