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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / April 2007What % tow capacity
I have a '06 2500 Quad Cab 4 x 4 and want to get a toy hauler fifth wheel. I have read that the towing capacity is 13,700#. I wouldn't want to load it up with that much trailer and gear because that is approaching capacity. Is there a good % to limit your load to so as to leave a margin of safety? Steve >I have a '06 2500 Quad Cab 4 x 4 and want to get a toy hauler fifth wheel. > > I have read that the towing capacity is 13,700#. I wouldn't want to load > it up with that much trailer and gear because that is approaching > capacity. Is there a good % to limit your load to so as to leave a margin > of safety? Your vehicle manual should have that info. Also total gross vehicle weight should be labeled on the driver door jamb. As for safety, the limit shown is a margin of safety. In reality it can tow more, but should not be done. >>I have a '06 2500 Quad Cab 4 x 4 and want to get a toy hauler fifth wheel. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > As for safety, the limit shown is a margin of safety. In reality it can > tow more, but should not be done. And those vary. I have seen that it will tow 13,700#, and then I have seen it will tow 14,600#. GCVWRs run from 22,000 to 24,000. I just wanted to ask those who tow and have towed what they find to be a safe % of that rating. My wife, for instance, thinks that if it says it will tow 14,700#, that it is alright to buy a trailer that weighs 14,500#. She doesn't comprehend that all the water, canned goods, clothes, and things taken along for a trip add up to considerable weight quickly. My guess is that I should buy something under 10,000#, thusly with the added cargo, it would come in at around 12,000. If I can find an UltraLite rig made of aluminum, I'd even like to stay closer to 9,000. It all depends on space. It has to be big enough to carry two ATVs, which immediately add around 1,200# just for them. Just wanted to ask what others think. I know there's ratings on door jambs, but I also think those are optimistic in some cases. I for sure know people who have been sold vehicles with the promise, "Oh, it will tow X,000#", and when they do it, it's white knuckle driving and 40 mph on upgrades. Steve Here, try these. It's what I had and what I will be getting again. http://www.a1warriortrailers.com/index.html >>>I have a '06 2500 Quad Cab 4 x 4 and want to get a toy hauler fifth >>>wheel. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Steve This is a repost from a few months ago, but it might answer your question. Don't be confused by the Duramax title, he happens upon a Dodge. http://videos.streetfire.net/search/money+maker/0/b108e8c2-25df-4054-8090-98af01 3f4333.htm >>>I have a '06 2500 Quad Cab 4 x 4 and want to get a toy hauler fifth >>>wheel. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Steve > This is a repost from a few months ago, but it might answer your question. > Don't be confused by the Duramax title, he happens upon a Dodge. > > http://videos.streetfire.net/search/money+maker/0/b108e8c2-25df-4054-8090-98af01 3f4333.htm I almost fell off my chair when he makes the comment of the Dodge being an inferior product to the DuraMax. Then, he stated he was within 300# of maximum. That's taking it to the edge, and what I was talking about when asking for a % of maximum so as to leave a little for safety. My BIL has a DuraMax, and it is a nice truck. At times, I have wished I had gone with a DuraMax, but then I hear of another problem with them. I'm sure they're a good truck, but when you do a GCVWR load within 300# of maximum, if something's going to go wrong, it will then. IIRC, he states on the tape that his GCVWR is 24,000, or maybe 22,000#. 300# is .0125 of 24,000# 300# is .0136 of 22,000# So, you're running at 98% of capacity, and running at seventy in hot weather. Sounds to me like anything would run hot in those conditions. Steve > So, you're running at 98% of capacity, and running at seventy in hot > weather. Sounds to me like anything would run hot in those conditions. > > Steve I agree, when this was first posted, I looked up Keystone Gougar trailers on the internet, added 3,500 lbs. for the Jeep and calculated that the Dodge was towing between 9,200 (the lightest model, dry weight) and 15,800 lbs. (the heaviest model, loaded to capacity). >> This is a repost from a few months ago, but it might answer your question. >> Don't be confused by the Duramax title, he happens upon a Dodge. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >Steve i've got friends with the ford 6.0l and friends with the duramax. the fords have been the most troublesome, but everyone loves their own truck, so who knows which is the better? i have a '03 3500, 48re. i love it and wouldn't part with it. my fifth wheel weighs just a touch under 10k dry, so loaded up i'm afraid to see what it weighs. i have no problem towing it at all. i worried a bit about stopping it though, but that has not been a problem either. a lot of the towing seems to depend on the particular fifth wheel though. prior to this one i had a fifth wheel that weighed 8200 pounds dry and it didn't tow as well as the one i have now. i also like the fifth wheel much more than the tow trailer. my initial entry into the rv world was a cheap pull trailer (a terry) that was about 7k dry and it was a bear to pull. the fact that it was built so cheaply probably had a lot to do with that though. i agree with your idea of giving yourself some wiggle room with the load though. >Just wanted to ask what others think. I know there's ratings on door jambs, >but I also think those are optimistic in some cases. I for sure know people >who have been sold vehicles with the promise, "Oh, it will tow X,000#", and >when they do it, it's white knuckle driving and 40 mph on upgrades. Be it a Dodge, CHevy or Ford there is more to safe towing than just putting a motor in something. There is a reason the they make 2 and 3 ton trucks because they have more chassis and brakes to deal with things when they go bad. I do not care if you have a 400 HP motor, 13 K is a lot of weight for a P/U chassis. about 30 years ago when going to college i drove contruction equip and trucks. I used this old Chevy 2 1/2 single axle dump with a 366 to tow a "float" with a backhoe or dozer on it. By todays standards some would consider it anemic but it got the job done and a 4 or 5000 lb tongue load was nothing for that truck for sudden manuver control and I darn sure could stop it to even with trailer brakes. You can tow 13K and more with a P/U as I was towing 23K grain trailers over 25 years ago but we did not go fast or far because you had to be able to deal with it when brakes fail which I had to do once. Even with tires locked up I was like a cork on a string with that trying to stop it. Just remember thyat you can tow a lot more than a OEM rating when things are just right but it is being able to deal with it and control it when things go bad that makes you or brakes you so do not take any towing rating blindly and try to keep weight down to no more than you need as it is better to erro under rating than at or over it just because "you can". It is the "what if's" that can get you in trouble. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com >>Just wanted to ask what others think. I know there's ratings on door jambs, >>but I also think those are optimistic in some cases. I for sure know people [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >----------------- >TheSnoMan.com ok. now it is not a huge surprise to me that snotroll suddenly shows up in a thread conveniently authored by steve b. that snotroll would drop out of those bowells is not a shock, since the three amigos came here to avenge snotrolls honor in the first place. now, in the sake of peace (ok, so maybe not) i thought about ignoring this post. but then i read it again. what a load. once again, snotroll is able to state the obvious, in incredibly boring detail and with a trip literally down senility lane; nope, no way, i just can't let it go. ok snotroll, be careful with heavy weights and watch out if things go wrong. i got ya man. geez. what a great and wise post. > >>Just wanted to ask what others think. I know there's ratings on door > >>jambs, [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > ok snotroll, be careful with heavy weights and watch out if things go > wrong. i got ya man. geez. what a great and wise post. Well, in all fairness, he -was- a bit overdue for his famous "back when I drove a gas engined dump truck" story. (And when I say "famous" I mean tired, old, heard it a hundred times.) >Well, in all fairness, he -was- a bit overdue for his famous > "back when I drove a gas engined dump truck" story. >(And when I say "famous" I mean tired, old, heard it a hundred >times.) In all fairness you are kinda clueless because you think that a motor makes a tow vehicle but it is not so but rather the chassis itself (springs, tires, brakes, frame, etc) and gearing of it relative to its motors power band. We survived for many years without oil burners and will when they are gone. This not a attack them but on those such are yourself that think they are a must have to do anything. They made some serious gas motors long ago before there was emission controls but this was likely before you even drove and likely before you were born too. Had gas motors had the lack emisson limits that diesel enjoyed till now, they would be different animals today. I still stand by that the chassis determines the tow weight that you can tow SAFELY while maintain positive control of it, not its motor. How fast you climb a hill is not a safety issue but rather a ego one because the "top" will still be there when you get there. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com >>Well, in all fairness, he -was- a bit overdue for his famous >> "back when I drove a gas engined dump truck" story. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >----------------- >TheSnoMan.com snotroll..........sseriously, what the hell is your point? > >Well, in all fairness, he -was- a bit overdue for his famous > > "back when I drove a gas engined dump truck" story. > >(And when I say "famous" I mean tired, old, heard it a hundred > >times.) > > In all fairness you are kinda clueless [SNIP] > ----------------- > TheTrollMan.com Get lost troll. ----------------------------------- Snojob Follies: SBJ: Dumb brake question http://tinyurl.com/2ya3wo SBJ: Snoball Defense System v1.01 http://tinyurl.com/2hth74 ----------------------------------- >> >Well, in all fairness, he -was- a bit overdue for his famous >> > "back when I drove a gas engined dump truck" story. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > http://tinyurl.com/2hth74 > ----------------------------------- Priceless!!!!! > >Well, in all fairness, he -was- a bit overdue for his famous > > "back when I drove a gas engined dump truck" story. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > (springs, tires, brakes, frame, etc) and gearing of it relative to > its motors power band. What sort of moron thinks he needs to explain gear multiplication? > We survived for many years without oil burners > and will when they are gone. We survived for even more years with horses and oxen. Your point (besides bull sh.t) ? > This not a attack them but on those such > are yourself that think they are a must have to do anything. f.ck efficiency right? > They made > some serious gas motors long ago before there was emission controls > but this was likely before you even drove and likely before you were > born too. I explained this all a few weeks ago in the Ford truck group, but just in case you've forgotten; back when you claim to have been driving that dump truck, I was either precision grinding crankshafts for large outboard motors or tearing apart IH 549s and Eaton 5 speed and 4 speed auxiliary transmissions. You ain't got nothing on me, time wise, knowledge wise or experience wise so give it up already. You keep trotting out the same old stories on a regular cycle. Makes me wonder how shallow a person you are that you need to live in the past as you do. It's like you hit your peak in 1978 and went downhill from there... > Had gas motors had the lack emisson limits that diesel > enjoyed till now, they would be different animals today. Buffoon. Just because diesel emission controls are getting a later start compared to gasoline emission controls does not mean that a few obstacles won't be overcome. In fact, just as it did for gasoline engines, the technology once it matures will assure even better performance than what was realized pre-emission control. > I still stand > by that the chassis determines the tow weight that you can tow SAFELY > while maintain positive control of it, not its motor. Where did I indicate otherwise? > How fast you > climb a hill is not a safety issue In spite of those "slower traffic keep right" signs? Yup, we all live just so we can be stuck behind you while you crawl up a hill at 25 miles per hour on the Interstate. > but rather a ego one because the > "top" will still be there when you get there. I guess that works for someone like you since you have nowhere to go and when you get there no one wants to see you anyway, and there's eight months of downtime between work seasons. In article <nonelson-AE4F5B.17424823042007 @newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, nonelson@sbcglobal.net says... > I guess that works for someone like you since you have nowhere to > go and when you get there no one wants to see you anyway, and > there's eight months of downtime between work seasons. LMFAO! Man that was good. >>Well, in all fairness, he -was- a bit overdue for his famous >> "back when I drove a gas engined dump truck" story. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > motors long ago before there was emission controls but this was likely > before you even drove and likely before you were born too. the gas engine was first built in 1860 (patented in 1854), Rudolph diesel built his engine in 1892 hardly long after the gasoline otto engine. by the way, it seems to me the gasoline engine is on its way out. diesels are making their way into the small automotive market more and more, they run on organic fuels with nominal mpg or power losses unlike their spark plug limited cousins.  Signature____________________________________________ Chris 05 CTD 06 Liberty CRD thedumbguy: > now, in the sake of peace (ok, so maybe not) i thought about ignoring > this post. but then i read it again. what a load. once again, > snotroll is able to state the obvious, in incredibly boring detail and > with a trip literally down senility lane; nope, no way, i just can't > let it go. So what prompted you to read it again? SignatureIn girum imus nocte et consumimur igni >thedumbguy: >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >So what prompted you to read it again? you haven't been around long barrell. i have a fascination for the bizarre. actually, we all do, i just admit it. one reading didn't do it justice, from that perspective. thedumbguy: > On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:23:05 -0700, Beryl <terrapin@coolmail.com> >>thedumbguy: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > bizarre. actually, we all do, i just admit it. one reading didn't do > it justice, from that perspective. Obvious and incredibly boring things aren't bizarre. Give it another try. SignatureIn girum imus nocte et consumimur igni > I have a '06 2500 Quad Cab 4 x 4 and want to get a toy hauler fifth wheel. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Steve Steve, The lighter the trailer the easier it is to pull, stop and buy gas for. It's that simple. The longer it is the harder it is to go in and out of parking lots as the rear will drag easier. With a long trailer it's harder to find a parking spot, harder to maneuver in a camp ground, harder to store. My advice is to get the smallest, lightest trailer you can live with. Al >I have a '06 2500 Quad Cab 4 x 4 and want to get a toy hauler fifth wheel. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Steve Towing capacity is a junk number. It often assumes a 150 lb. driver, no cargo, and a 1/2 tank of fuel. Everything that goes into the vehicle has to be deducted from that number. A lot of veteran RVers use this formula to determine a good match of trailer to vehicle: GVWR (Tow Vehicle) + GVWR (Trailer) <= GCWR (Tow Vehicle) Using this formula generally results in a setup that tows at 75-80% of the "towing capacity." Mark "Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't" >>I have a '06 2500 Quad Cab 4 x 4 and want to get a toy hauler fifth wheel. >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Mark I am happy to live with less of a load than others. I see overloaded rigs all the time. Some of them upside down. I think this is an area where the general public is compound stupid. They don't know that they don't know. My wife is a prime example. She thinks that if you can get it in the door, or connect it with a hitch, the truck and trailer SHOULD be able to haul it. Many others are oblivious to the facts that a lot of number ratings assigned to RVs and trucks are WITHOUT the water tanks full, allow for one skinny driver, don't allow for food and clothes and 40# of makeup, and all sorts of things that add up to the grand total. My favorites are the salesmen who desperately want to make a sale, and practice the following in the mirror for hours: "SURE, it will tow it!" For those guys who are pros, or who just tow heavy things a lot, they know that all sorts of things happen. Rain, snow, wind, tranny fluid slick spots, ice, panic stops, etc, etc, etc. And although a truck might be capable of pulling XX,000#, it isn't always able to control same in some tricky situations. I love seeing those small SUVs and minivans towing trailers. You can always tell how new they are to it. If they have any miles under their belt at all, they have a death grip on the wheel at ten and two o'clock positions, eyes straight ahead unblinking, and head straight ahead like it had titanium pins in it. Anna Nicole could have flashed her boobs, and the guy would not have looked or moved an inch. Probably takes a couple of minutes to get his hands off the wheel when he stops, just like running a jack hammer for a while. PULLING something and TOWING something are two entirely different things. You can pull an elephant around with a flimsy rope. But when it decides to do elephant things, that's when you find out the differences. Steve >>>I have a '06 2500 Quad Cab 4 x 4 and want to get a toy hauler fifth >>>wheel. [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > Steve Boy that's the truth. >>>>I have a '06 2500 Quad Cab 4 x 4 and want to get a toy hauler fifth >>>>wheel. [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > Boy that's the truth. Remarkable. It's the same thing SnoMan was saying. SignatureIn girum imus nocte et consumimur igni >>>>>I have a '06 2500 Quad Cab 4 x 4 and want to get a toy hauler fifth >>>>>wheel. [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > >Remarkable. It's the same thing SnoMan was saying. remarkable. your "love" for the snotroll is getting a little strange. you guys should get a room. oh wait, you already got one don't you? >>>>>>I have a '06 2500 Quad Cab 4 x 4 and want to get a toy hauler fifth >>>>>>wheel. [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > remarkable. your "love" for the snotroll is getting a little strange. > you guys should get a room. oh wait, you already got one don't you? It can't help if just happens to be SnoMan again. And again, and again, and... Tell me the difference between SnoMan's post and Steve's post. SignatureIn girum imus nocte et consumimur igni >>>>>>>I have a '06 2500 Quad Cab 4 x 4 and want to get a toy hauler fifth >>>>>>>wheel. [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > >Tell me the difference between SnoMan's post and Steve's post. the difference is all up to you barrell. thedumbguy: > Beryl <terrapin@coolmail.com> >>Tell me the difference between SnoMan's post and Steve's post. > > the difference is all up to you barrell. They're saying the same stuff, dumbguy. You should tell us what was wrong when Snoman said it, and Skippy should tell us why he was wowed when Steve said it. SignatureIn girum imus nocte et consumimur igni >thedumbguy: >> Beryl <terrapin@coolmail.com> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >You should tell us what was wrong when Snoman said it, and Skippy should >tell us why he was wowed when Steve said it. it's just magic barrell. we do it with mirrors and duck tape. thedumbguy: > On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:28:49 -0700, Beryl <terrapin@coolmail.com> >>thedumbguy: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > it's just magic barrell. we do it with mirrors and duck tape. Yes, just like trolls. SignatureIn girum imus nocte et consumimur igni >thedumbguy: >> On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:28:49 -0700, Beryl <terrapin@coolmail.com> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Yes, just like trolls. wow. trolls do it with mirrors and duck tape too? amazing coincidence i guess. thedumbguy: > On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:27:41 -0700, Beryl <terrapin@coolmail.com> >>thedumbguy: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > wow. trolls do it with mirrors and duck tape too? They're in the mirrors. Look and you can see it being done in realtime. > amazing > coincidence i guess. Yes, just like your shadow. SignatureIn girum imus nocte et consumimur igni > PULLING something and TOWING something are two entirely different things. > You can pull an elephant around with a flimsy rope. But when it decides > to do elephant things, that's when you find out the differences. > > Steve Now that's funny... <VBG> Denny >> PULLING something and TOWING something are two entirely different things. >> You can pull an elephant around with a flimsy rope. But when it decides [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Denny You can tow almost any large trailer with a little garden tractor. It is just a matter of how fast, and how far before it breaks down. I wonder what the true towing capacity of an elephant is? Mark "I love cats. I just can't eat a whole one by myself." >>> PULLING something and TOWING something are two entirely different >>> things. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Mark > "I love cats. I just can't eat a whole one by myself." Forklifts, ATVs and small tractors are commonly used to shuffle trailers around storage yards and dealerships. Forklifts work particularly well because of the short turning radius. These vehicles will do it, they're slow, and it is usually over fairly flat ground. A great example of a tow vehicle being overloaded, and people saying, "Oh, yeah, that Beavis will pull that trailer." It will PULL it, but you just gotta hope it isn't in anything but a straight line and not very fast. Same as mismatched loads on the highway. Steve > I love seeing those small SUVs and minivans towing trailers. You can > always tell how new they are to it. If they have any miles under their [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > of minutes to get his hands off the wheel when he stops, just like running > a jack hammer for a while. The small SUV towing with his rear suspension almost bottomed out always makes me sadly shake my head, then try to get as much distance between him and me. But, it's almost summer, so keep a look out for them. >> I love seeing those small SUVs and minivans towing trailers. You can >> always tell how new they are to it. If they have any miles under their [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > makes me sadly shake my head, then try to get as much distance between him > and me. But, it's almost summer, so keep a look out for them. I have a Pathfinder. A great car, but getting old now with 200,000 miles on it. Getting tired and slow. Then I bought the new Dodge 2500 with the Cummins. First trip to Utah with the Cummins, I'm passing a semi and I'm on cruise control. Passing it, but not very fast. I think, Hey, I don't like being right besides these tires. I kicked it in the a.s, jumped from about 75 to about 90 in a flash, and said WOW. I looked in my mirror, and back there, the semi was throwing a tread. One piece went a lot higher than the truck. A friend of mine had a big scar on his leg. When he was a kid, they were doing the same thing when the semi blew a tread. It ripped off the front fender of their car, and he got ripped up pretty good, too. Now, when I want to pass, I kick it in the a.s and get-r-done. That Cummins is something. Even at ninety, it's pulling like it still wants to go. Steve Steve, though I am not sure if it would fit your needs, but these might be something worth looking into. I saw one this morning on the way into work being towed by a 6 banger Nissan Pathfinder with no issues. www.trailmanor.com > Steve, though I am not sure if it would fit your needs, but these > might be something worth looking into. I saw one this morning on the > way into work being towed by a 6 banger Nissan Pathfinder with no > issues. > > www.trailmanor.com The Pathfinder has been retired to the Utah house for grocery runs. The motor is weak, weak, weak. When we towed with it, we had a Burro trailer. This is a version of the Scamp and Casita trailers that U-Haul had made for their rental fleet. They were fiberglass, and weighed in at 2500#. They looked like an egg. They had a fridge, stove, 13,500 btu AC, solar panel, water system, lots of goodies on a small trailer. A friend of ours got it from U Haul when he worked there. He wanted to get rid of it, and sold it to us for $200. We used it for a year, and found they were collector's items by trailer enthusiasts. We sold it on ebay for $4300. Right now, I'm looking for a toy hauler in the 26' range that will carry two ATVs, and max out at around 9,000# unladen. There are lots of them on the market, so I'll do some investigation with rv.org and going and looking at them before selecting. Steve >> Steve, though I am not sure if it would fit your needs, but these >> might be something worth looking into. I saw one this morning on the [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > the market, so I'll do some investigation with rv.org and going and > looking at them before selecting. I'd bet you could do real well buying one used. > I'd bet you could do real well buying one used. I would not consider anything but used. I sprang for a new Dodge truck, wanting to pay the extra and have it right from the get go. I think I got a good cash deal, (35,800) and intend to own it for a good while. I got the Big Horn package, Quad Cab, spray liner already in, and the Cummins. But you can buy two year old toy haulers for about 60%-70% of original selling price. Lots of people buy trailers, don't use them much, find out they don't like trailers, or just sell them for one reason or the other. As long as it's in good condition, I can live with used. Steve >But you can buy two year old toy haulers for about 60%-70% of original >selling price. Lots of people buy trailers, don't use them much, find out >they don't like trailers, or just sell them for one reason or the other. As >long as it's in good condition, I can live with used. I referred my buddy to my RV dealer when he was looking for a toy hauler to take out his 2 quad ATVs. He bought a 2-3 year old 19' Weekend Warrior with the popout bed in the front for around 16K. About 2K less than the NADA guides price. Fully loaded with an Onan 5500 generator. 25 gallon gas tank and a 110 gallon fresh water tank. The former owner used it a few times and then upgraded to a monster fifth-wheel toy hauler from the dealer. He needed a GM 6500 to pull it. I've gone with him a couple of times. It is a very nice trailer. Mark >>But you can buy two year old toy haulers for about 60%-70% of original >>selling price. Lots of people buy trailers, don't use them much, find out [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Mark We go to Coral Pink Sand Dunes in southern Utah. The trailers are all nice, really. You got a place to cook, clean up, sleep out of the wind, play cards and tunes, watch DVDs, and get inside if it rains. Everything gets so sandy anyway, it's like going to the beach, just figger by the time you get home, you'll be tasting grit. Almost all the trailers up there have the same basic figures, just VERY different sale prices. The extra can pay for a whole lotta trips. Steve >> I'd bet you could do real well buying one used. > > I would not consider anything but used. I sprang for a new Dodge truck, > wanting to pay the extra and have it right from the get go. I think I got > a good cash deal, (35,800) and intend to own it for a good while. I got > the Big Horn package, Quad Cab, spray liner already in, and the Cummins. by 04 was the same thing. 4X4? > But you can buy two year old toy haulers for about 60%-70% of original Exactly. > selling price. Lots of people buy trailers, don't use them much, find out > they don't like trailers, or just sell them for one reason or the other. > As long as it's in good condition, I can live with used. What kind of atv's? I sold a 360 and 700 Prarie 4X4 within in the past year. Real fun toys. But have no use for them in this area of FL. > Steve > by 04 was the same thing. 4X4? yeah, sorry, 4x4 > What kind of atv's? I sold a 360 and 700 Prarie 4X4 within in the past > year. Real fun toys. But have no use for them in this area of FL. > >> Steve Arctic Cat 400 and Honda 300 TRX. Shopping for two more for when we have company. Just a couple of standard ATVs that do good on the thousands of miles of ATV trails in Utah. Utah rocks for back woods ATV trails and small towns that allow you to come in for food, motels, and gas. You could do several hundred miles easy on these trails. Like the Piute. Get up into some real backwoods creeks, lakes, scenery. Nice stuff for getting away from civilization. Steve |
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