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Roy - 23 Apr 2007 12:23 GMT
Any of you folks heard or read about a anti-freeze break down? Seems that it
creates a ammonia like smell and a white gunk that clogs the water passages.
Been reading about it on a srt8 forum.

Roy
FMB - 23 Apr 2007 12:56 GMT
> Any of you folks heard or read about a anti-freeze break down? Seems that
> it creates a ammonia like smell and a white gunk that clogs the water
> passages.
> Been reading about it on a srt8 forum.
>
> Roy

I hadn't heard anything. Which antifreeze; orange, green or did someone
combine them?  Is it limited to a specific year? model?

FMB
(North Mexico)
Roy - 23 Apr 2007 13:32 GMT
>> Any of you folks heard or read about a anti-freeze break down? Seems that
>> it creates a ammonia like smell and a white gunk that clogs the water
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> FMB
> (North Mexico)

It is the orange stuff. Most with a build date in 06. There is a poll going
on at www.chargerforums.com
To read more go to the charger SRT-8 discussion. So far it seems to be the
SRT 6.1 engine used in the Charger. Although it is not all of them. So far I
don't have it yet. Going to have to watch for it though.The SRT engineers
are involved in trying to find out exactly what is causing it. Could be that
these engines are designed to run so damn hot that it is cooking it. A
couple of guy's there have Cummins trucks and have had no problems.

Something else to watch for. At least this time DC is responding to the
problem, which is a nice thing.

Roy
SnoMan - 23 Apr 2007 14:44 GMT
>Could be that
>these engines are designed to run so damn hot that it is cooking it

Ethylene Glycol in coolant does not "wear out". What happens in
galvantic reaction takes place and contaminates the coolant. Ethylene
Gycol in its pure state boils around 340 degrees. Thw water is the
weak link in coolant not the glycol. Water is also corrosive or
reactive and additives in antifreeze try to counter act this and they
break down with time, not the actual glycol.
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samstone@aol.com - 23 Apr 2007 15:06 GMT
>>Could be that
>>these engines are designed to run so damn hot that it is cooking it

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>TheSnoMan.com

> I see sno needs some lovin'
SnoMan - 25 Apr 2007 14:09 GMT
> I see sno needs some lovin'

I see a troll that needs some attention
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Roy - 23 Apr 2007 15:27 GMT
>>Could be that
>>these engines are designed to run so damn hot that it is cooking it
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> reactive and additives in antifreeze try to counter act this and they
> break down with time, not the actual glycol.

Still can't help yourself can ya.

What has come to light thus far, is that the sodium tetraborate that is used
in extended change anti freeze is cooking off and clinging to coolant
passages, radiator and heater core.

It has become so bad that one fellow has lost a engine due to overheating
brought about by this condition. He  has posted pic's. of the stuff found in
his engine after it cooked.

The water doesn't have a thing to do with it. This condition has been found
in engines with as few as 2K miles on the clock.

Right now the fix is to drain flush and refill. It would seem that there may
be a bad batch of antifreeze that may have found it's way into some engines

You might want to look and read a bit.
SnoMan - 23 Apr 2007 15:46 GMT
>Still can't help yourself can ya.

No "troll" you cannot help yourself from spreading improper
information. Like I said the glycol does not break down only the
aditives while trying to control the galvanic reactivety of the water
in coolant with engine parts it contacts. If you run a higher
consentation of glycol you can greatly extend coolant life but there
are those such as you that will say water cools better even though
glycol is densor and it takes more heat to raise a gallon of it one
degree than it does water and it has a lower surface tension as well
and transfer heat out of motor better too. See trolls such as your
self do not know the chemistry behind things so you rant and rave a
lot. SOme may say that the temp gage is a little higher with higher
glycol consentrations but that is because it is conducting more heat
out of the block die to lower surface tension and a reduces gas bubble
bbarrier forming around hot parts that inhibits heat transfer from
metal part and temp gage reads coolant temp true not block or head
temp. BTW, I have been running 70/30 for many years and I have a
excellant coolant life and I have a 18 year old vehicle that over flow
tank is still clean as new. I also run 7 to 9 PSI caps to reduce
stress on hoses and cores and I have no overheating issude at all in
any climate with any load. (the higher pressure cap used with lower
consentrions to increase boil point and to help minimize gas bubble
barrier on hot parts is not nereded with higher gycol concentrations)
Keep up the "trooling" though and it is good for entertainment. BTW,
if you run proplyene glycol (non toxic antifreeze) you can even run
100% if you want because it has it highest freezing and boiling point
and 100% consentraion. It is used in true artic climates.
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Roy - 23 Apr 2007 16:31 GMT
>>Still can't help yourself can ya.
>
> No "troll" you cannot help yourself from spreading improper
> information.

What improper information? You should be the last person to remark about
improper info. You are a legend when it come to BS post's.

>but there
> are those such as you that will say water cools better even though
> glycol is densor and it takes more heat to raise a gallon of it one
> degree than it does water

When did I ever say that? Prove it or retract it.

> and transfer heat out of motor better too. See trolls such as your
> self do not know the chemistry behind things so you rant and rave a
> lot.

I'm posting what has been happening to a specific engine. Where is the rant?
Leviathan - 23 Apr 2007 19:12 GMT
So then, why aren't you using it?

Larry
Behold Beware Believe

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Heatwave - 23 Apr 2007 19:19 GMT
> >Still can't help yourself can ya.
>
> No
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Stop your trolling.
Roy - 23 Apr 2007 21:21 GMT
>>Still can't help yourself can ya.
>
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> 100% if you want because it has it highest freezing and boiling point
> and 100% consentraion. It is used in true artic climates.
Now that I took the time to actually read this babble, it dawned on me that
the spelling police will have a ball with it.
Mike Simmons - 24 Apr 2007 01:59 GMT
>>Still can't help yourself can ya.
>
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We had this debate several months ago about glycol cooling better than
water.  It was pure BS then and it is pure BS now.  Don't you ever learn?

Mike
 
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