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Kar - 27 Apr 2007 19:04 GMT I just bought a 2001 Ram, 3.9L. No owners manual. What is the reccomended oil viscosity for this time of year? Is it 5W-30 or 10W-30 or is there any change with the temperatures? Thanks.
azwiley1 - 27 Apr 2007 19:07 GMT > I just bought a 2001 Ram, 3.9L. No owners manual. What is the reccomended > oil viscosity for this time of year? Is it 5W-30 or 10W-30 or is there any > change with the temperatures? Thanks. Where do you live, what type of temps do you see? If you want a good all season go with a 10/30 or 10/40
Kar - 27 Apr 2007 19:18 GMT >> I just bought a 2001 Ram, 3.9L. No owners manual. What is the >> reccomended [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Where do you live, what type of temps do you see? > If you want a good all season go with a 10/30 or 10/40 I'm in the upper peninsula of Michigan. Usually, temps aren't higher than 80-85 in the summer, maybe a week stretch of 90s. Right now, it's about 60 with overnight lows in the 30s. I'm going to order the manual, but I want to get the oil changed ASAP.
azwiley1 - 27 Apr 2007 19:40 GMT > >> I just bought a 2001 Ram, 3.9L. No owners manual. What is the > >> reccomended [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > with overnight lows in the 30s. I'm going to order the manual, but I want > to get the oil changed ASAP. I would stay with the 10/30 or 10/40 and you won't have any concerns.
Big Al - 27 Apr 2007 20:19 GMT > > >> I just bought a 2001 Ram, 3.9L. No owners manual. What is the > > >> reccomended [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > I would stay with the 10/30 or 10/40 and you won't have any concerns. Don't use 10W40. Put 10W30 in it and read the manual when it comes.
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azwiley1 - 27 Apr 2007 20:38 GMT > > > "azwiley1" <azwil...@cox.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Why are you saying not to use 10/40?
Craig C. - 27 Apr 2007 21:15 GMT > Why are you saying not to use 10/40? Maybe he's bitter about his taxes?
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Roy - 27 Apr 2007 21:50 GMT >> Why are you saying not to use 10/40? > > Maybe he's bitter about his taxes? That was horrible. <VBG>
> Craig C. azwiley1 - 27 Apr 2007 21:53 GMT > >> Why are you saying not to use 10/40? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Dude, that was WEAK! I think you need a few more nasty castle burgers!
Craig C. - 27 Apr 2007 22:04 GMT > Dude, that was WEAK! I think you need a few more nasty castle burgers! Nah, that'll kill the buzz.
:-) Craig C.
azwiley1 - 27 Apr 2007 22:05 GMT > > Dude, that was WEAK! I think you need a few more nasty castle burgers! > > Nah, that'll kill the buzz. > > :-) > Craig C. LOL
Roy - 27 Apr 2007 22:12 GMT >> Dude, that was WEAK! I think you need a few more nasty castle burgers! > > Nah, that'll kill the buzz. > > :-) > Craig C. Next we will hear from the Rabbit raving about those pos burger's.
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azwiley1 - 27 Apr 2007 22:24 GMT > >> Dude, that was WEAK! I think you need a few more nasty castle burgers! > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Larry, truck race @ 5:30 Have to miss the truck race for two reasons, I am going to look at a house near work and there is a hockey game on.
SnoMan - 27 Apr 2007 22:13 GMT >Why are you saying not to use 10/40? Because it is like the last oil grade you want to use if it is conventional. Back in the 80's they thought is was the cats meow but they found out it is not and no new cars from Detriot are approved for its usage and have nor been for years. It has to do with the hi VI content of oil the can cook out and gum up a modern hot running engine. (grant that some 10w40 are better than other quality wise but it is best avoided) Use 10w30 spring, summer, fall and maybe 5w20 in winter if it get below zero a lot. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com
Big Al - 28 Apr 2007 07:26 GMT > > > > "azwiley1" <azwil...@cox.net> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Why are you saying not to use 10/40? Because it says in the manual NOT to use it. It says to use 5W30 or 10W30 depending on temperature range and specifically says not to use 10W40. At least in my manual it says that. That's why I advised him to read the his manual when he gets it.
Try http://www.in-n-out.com/ burgers and you'll forget about belly bombers. They opened a new one in Tucson Thursday. The line was over three hours long. Some guy was in the line about 20 minutes, he drove to Phoenix and bought some, drove back and the guy that was behind him was still waiting in line. Some people ran out of gas waiting:) They did the same thing when the Crispy Cream opened in the same building a few years ago. They went bust and sold the building to In an Out.
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Nosey - 27 Apr 2007 21:04 GMT > I just bought a 2001 Ram, 3.9L. No owners manual. What is the > reccomended oil viscosity for this time of year? Is it 5W-30 or > 10W-30 or is there any change with the temperatures? Thanks. From the 2001 FSM: http://i14.tinypic.com/2uejrk4.jpg http://i18.tinypic.com/455mfb4.jpg
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Kar - 27 Apr 2007 21:11 GMT >> I just bought a 2001 Ram, 3.9L. No owners manual. What is the >> reccomended oil viscosity for this time of year? Is it 5W-30 or [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > http://i14.tinypic.com/2uejrk4.jpg > http://i18.tinypic.com/455mfb4.jpg Ken-that's what I have too but that chart shows the 3.2 and 3.5. I couldn't see anything on the 3.9.
All-thanks for the replies and if you have more info, this is interesting.
azwiley1 - 27 Apr 2007 21:18 GMT > >> I just bought a 2001 Ram, 3.9L. No owners manual. What is the > >> reccomended oil viscosity for this time of year? Is it 5W-30 or [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > All-thanks for the replies and if you have more info, this is interesting. Well, I can tell you that when I lived in Maryland with similar temps, I ran red line or royal purple syn oil, 15 (or 20) w-50 in the summer, and would drop to 10/40 for winters. Here in AZ, I run royal purple 20/50 all year in my truck and bike.
Beryl - 28 Apr 2007 00:57 GMT punkin:
>>>>I just bought a 2001 Ram, 3.9L. No owners manual. What is the >>>>reccomended oil viscosity for this time of year? Is it 5W-30 or [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > and would drop to 10/40 for winters. Here in AZ, I run royal purple > 20/50 all year in my truck and bike. Who cares?
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Denny - 28 Apr 2007 01:06 GMT > punkin: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Who cares? I do. I've known Larry a long time and he's a good guy. He just likes to f.ck with a.sholes and people who eat White Castles. <G>
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Beryl - 28 Apr 2007 09:54 GMT >>punkin: >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Denny Looking back over the past month... is there something, er, 'wrong' with azwiley1? How about with theguy? Maybe you should tell me something about them. I didn't mean to torment any retarded person.
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Denny - 28 Apr 2007 11:36 GMT >>>punkin: >>> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > azwiley1? How about with theguy? Maybe you should tell me something about > them.< They're both decent, red blooded Americans that I'd want on my side. If'n there was a downside to them it's they're dislike of White Castles and idiots. Maybe the last one ain't so bad....
> I didn't mean to torment any retarded person.< Don't pick on yourself and you'll do fine.....
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> mean people suck-nice people swallow Beryl - 28 Apr 2007 20:32 GMT >>>>punkin: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Don't pick on yourself and you'll do fine..... So I can continue on without feeling guilt. Thanks.
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Ed H. - 29 Apr 2007 07:04 GMT Not a thing wrong with either. Though I think you have a hard on for both. Hmmm, I must consult with Dr. Freud on your behalf.
> Looking back over the past month... is there something, er, 'wrong' with > azwiley1? How about with theguy? Maybe you should tell me something about > them. I didn't mean to torment any retarded person. theguy@whatever.net - 29 Apr 2007 16:36 GMT >Not a thing wrong with either. Though I think you have a hard on for both. >Hmmm, I must consult with Dr. Freud on your behalf. ohhh. that is an ugly picture. don't get any ideas barrell, your gonna have to hit the rest stops to get any action. sorry. not that i have a problem with that lifestyle, i just don't happen to "swing" that way.
>> Looking back over the past month... is there something, er, 'wrong' with >> azwiley1? How about with theguy? Maybe you should tell me something about >> them. I am a retarded person and can't figure these things out on my own. theguy@whatever.net - 28 Apr 2007 01:09 GMT >punkin: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Who cares? i do barrell. i care a lot more about that than i do about the inane crap that you post. in fact barrell, about the only thing that you post about is snotroll and how smart he is. well, actually now that i think about it, you don't post about how smart he is. you just post that he is not any more stupid than anyone else.
you are still wrong though. he is much more stupid.
and barrell, you need to branch out more. post about things besides snotroll. he is pretty much a lost cause. not because i (dumb guy) don't think he knows sh.t and not because pumkin (sorry roy) thinks so, but just because he is. he has earned it. he has simply out stupid'd everyone. if that impresses you..........well, i am not surprised. just wondering though.........are you his son or daughter? i'm just wondering because you defend him even when it is beyond ridiculous. if you are not, why do you feel that you have to come to his defense? do you not think that he is capable of defending himself? isn't that a much worse comment than anything that pumpkin (sorry roy), i (the dumb guy) or larry (can't remember what you called him, sorry barrell) have said? i mean, why would you be so premsumptive to think that you have to chase windmills and come to his aid? the only reason that i can think of is that you don't think that he is able to defend himself and you are so emotional over that that you feel that you must rush to save his honor. wow. that is really a low blow barrel; to snotroll i mean. you have slammed him more than any of us could ever do. i would say thank you but you probably owe him an apology.
azwiley1 - 28 Apr 2007 03:14 GMT > punkin: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Who cares? Point in case once again that you are a cocksucking a.shole. No one was f.cking talking to you, so if you can't do anything but stir sh.t (which is ALL YOU DO) stay the f.ck off my replies. As to who cares, I am very sure the OP does as I, unlike you, have provided him/her some useful information in answer to the post. Hell, even your hero Snoman posted an answer in replay that in no way was an instigation of problems.
Beryl - 28 Apr 2007 07:19 GMT punkin:
> "Beryl" <terrapin@coolmail.com> wrote in message >>punkin: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > f.cking talking to you, so if you can't do anything but stir sh.t (which is > ALL YOU DO) stay the f.ck off my replies. I'm playing your own game, punkin. Don't be a crybaby! I'm the new toy, you guys were all going to have lots of fun playing with me. What happened?
> As to who cares, I am very sure > the OP does as I, unlike you, have provided him/her some useful information > in answer to the post. Hell, even your hero Snoman posted an answer in > replay that in no way was an instigation of problems. You didn't even say which irrelevant vehicles you were talking about. All we know is that you're in Arizona now, with some unidentified truck and bike. You've given the OP no useful information, just uninformed advice.
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azwiley1 - 28 Apr 2007 17:40 GMT > I'm playing your own game, punkin. Don't be a crybaby! I'm the new toy, > you guys were all going to have lots of fun playing with me. What > happened? You're not playing "my game" becuase there has never, in all the years that I have been here, been a time where I have just tagged on to someone's post like you did with such vial disdain. Even to Snomans post have I have ever just done what you have. So, if you wish to "play games" why don't you do it the same way, if you cliam to be doing it "my way"
>> As to who cares, I am very sure the OP does as I, unlike you, have >> provided him/her some useful information in answer to the post. Hell, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > bike. > You've given the OP no useful information, just uninformed advice. Really, I have not give the user any valuable information? How do you figure? Better yet, what have you provided to anyone that was useful? I provided him information pertaining to specific oil grades used in different climates, which is just as if not more so important the what vehicle it is in. But now you are playing the Steve B game of being an a.shole as it was your cocksucking friend that started the whole sh.t about an "unidentified .357" go back and read it and now you are playing the same thing.
You know, you want to stick around and play the Great Snoman Defender, be our guest, but if you are going to, do it in the same manner that he has been jumped on repeatedly, for posting dangerous information, not just because you want to be a douche bag. But then you really can't change what you are can you.
Ed H. - 29 Apr 2007 06:43 GMT Your point is?
> punkin: >> "Beryl" <terrapin@coolmail.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > bike. > You've given the OP no useful information, just uninformed advice. Beryl - 29 Apr 2007 08:43 GMT > Your point is? Kar should know that my Dad used to put 30 weight in the Corvair. Is that useful information too?
>>punkin: >>>"Beryl" <terrapin@coolmail.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >>bike. >>You've given the OP no useful information, just uninformed advice.
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edward ohare - 28 Apr 2007 06:51 GMT >Ken-that's what I have too but that chart shows the 3.2 and 3.5. I couldn't >see anything on the 3.9. > >All-thanks for the replies and if you have more info, this is interesting. My 2000 Dakota owner's manual says for the 2.5, 3.9, and 5.9, 10W30 is preferred and acceptable at all temperatures above 0 F. It says 5W30 should be used if it is expected temperatures will be below 0F but not over 100 F.
They list 5W30 as preferred for the 4.7, and acceptable at all temperatures under 100 F.
Roy - 27 Apr 2007 21:21 GMT >> I just bought a 2001 Ram, 3.9L. No owners manual. What is the >> reccomended oil viscosity for this time of year? Is it 5W-30 or [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > http://i14.tinypic.com/2uejrk4.jpg > http://i18.tinypic.com/455mfb4.jpg You folks talking about oil and what to use and not to use brought this to mind. Years ago 10w-30 or 40 were just fine. After the non stop trip to Fl. I checked the oil, actually checked a couple of times enroute. Anyway down 1/2 quart so I looked in the om to see what to get so I could add, 0w-40 Mobil1 at $5.90 a quart. Seems a whole lot thin to me, but that's what they want in it. So with all the bs about warranty claims I'm not about to put anything else in it.
azwiley1 - 27 Apr 2007 21:27 GMT > >> I just bought a 2001 Ram, 3.9L. No owners manual. What is the > >> reccomended oil viscosity for this time of year? Is it 5W-30 or [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > want in it. So with all the bs about warranty claims I'm not about to put > anything else in it. How could using a different viscosity oil other then what the om RECOMMENDS void or in anyway create an issue with the warrany? Mike, care to chim in here?
Roy - 27 Apr 2007 21:59 GMT >> >> I just bought a 2001 Ram, 3.9L. No owners manual. What is the >> >> reccomended oil viscosity for this time of year? Is it 5W-30 or [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > RECOMMENDS void or in anyway create an issue with the warrany? Mike, > care to chim in here? Wipe a bearing with a oil that is thicker and they could claim restricted flow. I know the 6.1 hemi in the charger has piston squirter's, maybe they are the reason.
With my Z06, GM would void a transmission if it did not have the factory recommended stuff in it. I switched to red line and had to take it out, Story was it was too slippery and the syncros needed more friction to work properly. The ZF box was a unit exchange. If you screwed up you ate the 6K for the new tranny.
Not nice but it is what it is. If my engine goes south, I kinda want the warranty to fall back on. There aren't many of these 6.1 in the bone yard.
azwiley1 - 27 Apr 2007 22:03 GMT > >> "Nosey" <kfre...@removethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > - Show quoted text - With the trans, I can understand that, using red line, they have a friction modifier that you could have used and it would have fixed your issue.
Roy - 27 Apr 2007 22:10 GMT >> >> "Nosey" <kfre...@removethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > friction modifier that you could have used and it would have fixed > your issue. That was discussed at length, to no avail. GM builds and sells ya a friggin' race car then hand cuffs ya.
At least the SRT engineers respond to problems and help to resolve them.
Roy - 27 Apr 2007 22:32 GMT >> >> "Nosey" <kfre...@removethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > friction modifier that you could have used and it would have fixed > your issue. I was wrong, the truck race is Sat .
azwiley1 - 27 Apr 2007 22:41 GMT > >> "azwiley1" <azwil...@cox.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I am more looking forward to Sunday, as (IIRC) they are running the POSCOT.
Roy - 27 Apr 2007 23:20 GMT >> >> "azwiley1" <azwil...@cox.net> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > I am more looking forward to Sunday, as (IIRC) they are running the > POSCOT. I didn't know that. i thought they were keeping them off the super speedway's.
This new isp down here is real slow with the news server.
Denny - 28 Apr 2007 01:00 GMT >>> I just bought a 2001 Ram, 3.9L. No owners manual. What is the >>> reccomended oil viscosity for this time of year? Is it 5W-30 or [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > what they want in it. So with all the bs about warranty claims I'm not > about to put anything else in it. Use the 0w40 and quit thinking about it. That's not an ordinary run-of-the-mill motor you have. I've always ran synthetic in non-stock motors that I've play with.
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Roy - 28 Apr 2007 01:32 GMT >>>> I just bought a 2001 Ram, 3.9L. No owners manual. What is the >>>> reccomended oil viscosity for this time of year? Is it 5W-30 or [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Denny That's what I'm useing. Actually it is a pretty freaky car and engine. Especially for a 4 door.<G> They put a lot of thought into it.
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samstone@aol.com - 28 Apr 2007 01:40 GMT >They put a lot of thought into it. > >Roy but not a spare
Chris Thompson - 28 Apr 2007 02:18 GMT On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:40:57 +0000, samstone wrote:
>>They put a lot of thought into it. >> >>Roy >> > but not a spare tires don't go flat anymore
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Nosey - 28 Apr 2007 13:33 GMT > Anyway down 1/2 quart so I looked in the om to see > what to get so I could add, 0w-40 Mobil1 at $5.90 a quart. Seems a > whole lot thin to me, but that's what they want in it. So with all > the bs about warranty claims I'm not about to put anything else in it. Using the wrong viscosity oil screws up the operation of the MDS system. You /do/ have the MDS Hemi, don't you?
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Roy - 28 Apr 2007 14:04 GMT >> Anyway down 1/2 quart so I looked in the om to see >> what to get so I could add, 0w-40 Mobil1 at $5.90 a quart. Seems a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Using the wrong viscosity oil screws up the operation of the MDS system. > You /do/ have the MDS Hemi, don't you? No. What is used in the Charger SRT is a 6.1 425HP engine. They made a lot of changes to it other than the size. Seems a lot of different material as well. As a follow up, the problems with the anti freeze break down at this stage has found to be the temp and reaction to these materials, as the same anti freeze is used in the Cummins with no problems. The STR engineers are now recomending a flush and a additional additive to prevent the problem.
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Nosey - 29 Apr 2007 00:53 GMT >>> Anyway down 1/2 quart so I looked in the om to see >>> what to get so I could add, 0w-40 Mobil1 at $5.90 a quart. Seems a [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > additional additive to prevent the problem. > Roy Oops. I thought you had a Magnum.
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Tom Lawrence - 29 Apr 2007 01:34 GMT > Oops. I thought you had a Magnum. Nope.... SIG.
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:^) Roy - 29 Apr 2007 02:02 GMT >> Oops. I thought you had a Magnum. > > Nope.... SIG. Well yes, a 239 and a 226
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> :^) Ed H. - 29 Apr 2007 06:42 GMT LOL, LMFAO. Stop it, I gonna pee.
>> Oops. I thought you had a Magnum. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > :^) Ed H. - 29 Apr 2007 06:54 GMT Oops. ! . .
> LOL, LMFAO. Stop it, I gonna pee. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> :^) Beryl - 28 Apr 2007 09:53 GMT > I just bought a 2001 Ram, 3.9L. No owners manual. What is the reccomended > oil viscosity for this time of year? Is it 5W-30 or 10W-30 or is there any > change with the temperatures? Thanks. My 2001 Ram Owner's Manual covers the 3.9L V-6, the 5.2L and 5.9L V-8s, and the 8.0L V-10.
Page 195 says "SAE 10W-30 engine oil is preferred for use in all Dodge trucks."
There's a chart showing 10W-30 for temperatures of 0 degrees F. to beyond 100 degrees F. 5W-30 is for 32 degrees F. and below. The two viscosities overlap between 0 and 32.
Ignore azwiley1's bad and harmful advice about using 10W-40.
I use conventional 10W-30 in my 5.2, either Castrol or Valvoline. Eastern U.S. paraffin-base oils (e.g. Pennzoil and Quaker State) reportedly gum up engines according to folks that refer to them as "varnish", like in "I wouldn't put that varnish in my engine."
Synthetic oil was developed for hellishly hot turbine engines, like in your Beechcraft King Air. It's "better" oil, but likely a waste of money in your piston engine.
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azwiley1 - 28 Apr 2007 17:46 GMT >> I just bought a 2001 Ram, 3.9L. No owners manual. What is the >> reccomended oil viscosity for this time of year? Is it 5W-30 or 10W-30 [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Ignore azwiley1's bad and harmful advice about using 10W-40. Bad and harmful advice? HA!! You are a f.cking hoot. Lets see, in my 97 Ram 5.2 I ran 10/40 for over 150k with never a problem, in my 99 Silverado 5.3 I ran 10/40 and now run 20/50 syn oil with never a problem, in my 93 Shadow 600 I run 10/40 in the colder months and 20/50 in the warmer months (both syn) with never a problem. You are failing to understand what you posted yourself, that the grades in the OM are RECOMMENDED, that DOES NOT mean you have to use it, that does not mean you will void your warranty and it damn sure as hell does not mean you will damage your engine.
Again, if you will to play the game, do it in the same manner that it is done to your hero and lover. It also means that you do it to all "players" as there are many more in both here and the Chevy group that have been hammering him and more then I EVER have. You just have a hard on for me, and sorry to say, I do not swing that way.
azwiley1 - 28 Apr 2007 17:51 GMT > Bad and harmful advice? HA!! You are a f.cking hoot. Lets see, in my 97 > Ram 5.2 I ran 10/40 for over 150k with never a problem, in my 99 Silverado [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > mean you have to use it, that does not mean you will void your warranty > and it damn sure as hell does not mean you will damage your engine. FYI the Silverado is rolling 200k very soon, so obviously there is absofuckinglutely NOTHING harmful about running oils that are not in the list of RECOMMENDED oils in the OM, but to each his own, do what you want.
Kar - 28 Apr 2007 11:14 GMT >I just bought a 2001 Ram, 3.9L. No owners manual. What is the reccomended >oil viscosity for this time of year? Is it 5W-30 or 10W-30 or is there any >change with the temperatures? Thanks. OK-I have to spill my guts. I put 3.9. It's 5.9. I saw a first on usenet in another reply where someone admitted making a mistake. After reading my own sorry excuse for a post, I'm admitting one too. You folks have a very interesting group going here and I like it. Lots of good info just on this post so please keep passing the knowledge. I don't know what's going on with the burger joints but I will find out. Also, good info about the oil. Thanks again.
Chris Thompson - 29 Apr 2007 01:31 GMT >>I just bought a 2001 Ram, 3.9L. No owners manual. What is the >>reccomended oil viscosity for this time of year? Is it 5W-30 or 10W-30 [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > what's going on with the burger joints but I will find out. Also, good > info about the oil. Thanks again. you don't want to find out about white castle...a overstuffed rabbit (I'm being kind mind you Denny) will want to take you there. and you don't want to try to digest, much less ingest that stuff. trust me.
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