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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / May 2007Which Synthetic ATF?
After my trans burned up and the shop put in some cheap crap in it (they only have to worry a year) I decided I want to put synthetic ATF in it. I went to the parts store and they had 2 brands. Valvoline +4 which was the same price at Mopar dino brand of about $4.68. Then they have Mobil 1 "multi-vehicle" ATF which only states "Mobil Multi-Vehicle ATF is also suitable for use in both newer and older Chrysler applications " at a price of $6.xx While the Valvoline bottle states "Designed to meet the specific requirements of Chrysler, Dodge & Jeep vehicles." Though I know Mobil has good reputation with oils, my gut feeling had me go with the Valvoline. And anyone here used Mobil 1 5W-40 Turbo Diesel Truck oil? Good for Cummins or too light? http://www.mobil1.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1_Turbo_Diesel_Truck_5W-40.aspx Thanks GB Your dealer should have Mopar ATF+4. Most Dodges from 2001+ require ATF+4. > After my trans burned up and the shop put in some cheap crap in it (they > only have to worry a year) I decided I want to put synthetic ATF in it. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Thanks GB > Your dealer should have Mopar ATF+4. Most Dodges from 2001+ require ATF+4. Thanks for the reply, but I am looking for Synthetic. I can get Mopar +4 from Wally World 2 blocks from here. >> After my trans burned up and the shop put in some cheap crap in it (they >> only have to worry a year) I decided I want to put synthetic ATF in it. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> >> Thanks GB >> Your dealer should have Mopar ATF+4. Most Dodges from 2001+ require ATF+4. > > Thanks for the reply, but I am looking for Synthetic. I can get Mopar +4 > from Wally World 2 blocks from here. Mopar ATF+4 is synthetic. Did not know it was sold anywhere but the dealerships. Thats good news. >>> Your dealer should have Mopar ATF+4. Most Dodges from 2001+ require >>> ATF+4. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Mopar ATF+4 is synthetic. Did not know it was sold anywhere but the > dealerships. Thats good news. Oh..I did not know it was Synthetic. The Valvoline and the Mopar do smell almost the same. The crap they put in my trans has no odor at all, so I know it's got to be cheap that came in a cheap drum. Thanks for that insite. > The crap they put in my trans has no odor at all, so I know it's got to be > cheap that came in a cheap drum. If your dodge is newer than 2000 then get that crap out QUICK! Something like Dextron, Merc etc. can cause major problems with your transmission. Mopar ATF+3 maybe ok but ATF+4 is what is recommended. Chrysler created ATF+4 and were the only ones producing it until recently when they licensed others to produce it. Look in your owners manual or on the dip stick. It probably says requires ATF+4 (might have the ATF+4 designator #9602). >> The crap they put in my trans has no odor at all, so I know it's got to >> be cheap that came in a cheap drum. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > stick. It probably says requires ATF+4 (might have the ATF+4 designator > #9602). Actually it is a 2000, so I am good one that, but I know that garbage they put in it is not doing the trans any good. So tomorrow I will drain it out and put the +4 in it and see how much better it will run. By the odor, I think it previously had +3 in it., but it still got burned out with that in it, and a cooler w/electric fan somehow. I hope this +4 will protect the transmisson better. Thanks for the info. > Actually it is a 2000, so I am good one that, but I know that garbage they > put in it is not doing the trans any good. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > out with that in it, and a cooler w/electric fan somehow. I hope this +4 > will protect the transmisson better. You'll most likely have to get it flushed to get all the old stuff out from the tranny, torque converter and cooler. >> Actually it is a 2000, so I am good one that, but I know that garbage >> they put in it is not doing the trans any good. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > You'll most likely have to get it flushed to get all the old stuff out > from the tranny, torque converter and cooler. How does one flush it? > How does one flush it? Most shops do it but I don't like taking mine to any except the dealer...because so many shops fail to use ATF+4 and instead use some crap and then tell you they put in an additive that makes it the same. Basically they open the line leading to the tranny cooler and pump out the old and pump in the new. Dropping the pan will only get 1/2 or less out. Maybe someone else here has an easy procedure to get as much as possible out. >> How does one flush it? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Maybe someone else here has an easy procedure to get as much as possible > out. Okay Iw ill give a few places some calls and see...thanks Before you jump the gun, make sure that ATF +4 is even recommended for your trans. Just because it has a higher number does not always make it backwards compatible with the ones preceding it. This fluid has specific lubrication, flow, and friction properties for the newer DC transmissions that might not be compatible or required for your trans and using it at best might be just wasting money and at worst, could damage your trans. I would give the dealership a quick call and ask.  SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > >> Actually it is a 2000, so I am good one that, but I know that garbage [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > How does one flush it? > Before you jump the gun, make sure that ATF +4 is even recommended for > your [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > would > give the dealership a quick call and ask. No need, ATF +3 is no longer manufactured and +4 replaces it. >> >> Actually it is a 2000, so I am good one that, but I know that garbage >> >> they put in it is not doing the trans any good. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> >> How does one flush it? > Before you jump the gun, make sure that ATF +4 is even recommended for your Better wait for punkin's opinion. "You are failing to understand what you posted yourself, that the grades in the OM are RECOMMENDED, that DOES NOT mean you have to use it, that does not mean you will void your warranty and it damn sure as hell does not mean you will damage your engine." - punkin > trans. Just because it has a higher number does not always make it > backwards compatible with the ones preceding it. This fluid has specific > lubrication, flow, and friction properties for the newer DC transmissions > that might not be compatible or required for your trans and using it at best > might be just wasting money and at worst, could damage your trans. I would > give the dealership a quick call and ask. SignatureMake friends with a few animals. Then you will become a cheerful man once more and nothing will be able to trouble you. - Albert Einstein > > Before you jump the gun, make sure that ATF +4 is even recommended for your > > Better wait for punkin's opinion. And once again, you useless piece of f.cking troll sh.t, all you want to do is stir sh.t. I am sorry you are a flaming homosexual and have a hard on for me, but I DO NOT swing your way, so please, get over it. > And once again, you useless piece of f.cking troll sh.t, all you want > to do is stir sh.t. I am sorry you are a flaming homosexual and have > a hard on for me, but I DO NOT swing your way, so please, get over it. C'mon... even fish eventually realize that wiggling worm is hiding a hook. Stop taking the bait, man... On May 3, 9:15 am, "Tom Lawrence" <tNlOaSwPrAeMnMcIe...@earthlink.net> wrote: > > And once again, you useless piece of f.cking troll sh.t, all you want > > to do is stir sh.t. I am sorry you are a flaming homosexual and have [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Stop taking the bait, man... Tom, I am just sick of his sh.t. He wants to attack me because he is "defending Snoman" yet he is too stupid to attack me for the same reasons EVERYONE has gone after Snoman. What is really ironic, he has singled me out of everyone that has attacked his hero. > On May 3, 9:15 am, "Tom Lawrence" <tNlOaSwPrAeMnMcIe...@earthlink.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > reasons EVERYONE has gone after Snoman. What is really ironic, he has > singled me out of everyone that has attacked his hero. Larry, it has become evident to most that he brings nothing and is a troll. Just ignore it. Why is it that some of the best people attract the most vitriolic hate from others? I don't know. I agree with both Tom and Roy, Ignore this fool (I finally learned to). Maybe his pee-pee will return from it's fully erect state of 3" long to it's normal flaccid 0.5" length. However Larry, I would keep an eye on who is loitering around your domicile. It might be Beryl looking for a quick roll. >> On May 3, 9:15 am, "Tom Lawrence" <tNlOaSwPrAeMnMcIe...@earthlink.net> >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Larry, it has become evident to most that he brings nothing and is a > troll. Just ignore it. > Why is it that some of the best people attract the most vitriolic hate from > others? I don't know. I agree with both Tom and Roy, Ignore this fool (I [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Well, it's funny that you mention that Ed as there has been a strange looking and rather beat down looking car around my place for the last few weeks! Ed H., frustrated NRA propagandist: > Why is it that some of the best people attract the most vitriolic hate from > others? I don't know. I agree with both Tom and Roy, Ignore this fool (I > finally learned to). I think you learned that you don't have anything to teach anyone about history, language, or the 2nd Amendment. SignatureMake friends with a few animals. Then you will become a cheerful man once more and nothing will be able to trouble you. - Albert Einstein >On May 3, 9:15 am, "Tom Lawrence" <tNlOaSwPrAeMnMcIe...@earthlink.net> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >reasons EVERYONE has gone after Snoman. What is really ironic, he has >singled me out of everyone that has attacked his hero. you know, honestly, i'm not sure that steve b and barrell aren't the same person. their writing is certainly consistently smug. anyway, i wouldn't spend too much time worrying about what either has to say larry. just have some fun with them, at least they have some value that way. > What is really ironic, he has singled me out of everyone that has attacked > his hero. Could it be because you're the only one who lights off like a Saturn V rocket every time he tweaks you? On May 3, 6:58 pm, "Tom Lawrence" <tNlOaSwPrAeMnMcIe...@earthlink.net> wrote: > > What is really ironic, he has singled me out of everyone that has attacked > > his hero. > > Could it be because you're the only one who lights off like a Saturn V > rocket every time he tweaks you? NO! :^) >Tom, I am just sick of his sh.t. He wants to attack me because he is >"defending Snoman" yet he is too stupid to attack me for the same >reasons EVERYONE has gone after Snoman. What is really ironic, he has >singled me out of everyone that has attacked his hero. The only ones that attack me are the insecure ones like yourself that have ego issues. You guys are a dime a dozen and like a pack of wild dogs that attack those that do not share your point of view, not because they are wrong. You do not know how to exist outside the pack. You guys thrive on this and feel intimidated by anyone that does not buy into your tripe. You are a legend in your own mind. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com >>Tom, I am just sick of his sh.t. He wants to attack me because he is >>"defending Snoman" yet he is too stupid to attack me for the same [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > dogs that attack those that do not share your point of view, not > because they are wrong. Answer this just for the hell of it.. Have you posted wrong info and failed to correct it when it has been pointed out to be totally wrong? >You do not know how to exist outside the pack. > You guys thrive on this and feel intimidated by anyone that does not > buy into your tripe. You are a legend in your own mind. Answer this as well. Have you recieved the same treatment at other groups that you recieve here? If so, care to suggest why? Now, if you have the balls to answer these question's truthfully, you will begin to get to the real reason why people at this and a bunch of other groups and forums, as you put it, attack you. >>>Tom, I am just sick of his sh.t. He wants to attack me because he is >>>"defending Snoman" yet he is too stupid to attack me for the same [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >begin to get to the real reason why people at this and a bunch of other >groups and forums, as you put it, attack you. ohh. this should be good. >>>>Tom, I am just sick of his sh.t. He wants to attack me because he is >>>>"defending Snoman" yet he is too stupid to attack me for the same [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > ohh. this should be good. Nope, it will be ignored.As you know that is his usual procedure. Regards him having ball's enough to answer the questions, his balls are probably resting on guess who's chin? > <the...@whatever.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > - Show quoted text - LOL >>>Tom, I am just sick of his sh.t. He wants to attack me because he is >>>"defending Snoman" yet he is too stupid to attack me for the same >>>reasons EVERYONE has gone after Snoman. Would someone please translate that gibberish for me? >>>What is really ironic, he has >>>singled me out of everyone that has attacked his hero. That's not ironic. You don't know what "ironic" means, do you? >>The only ones that attack me are the insecure ones like yourself that >>have ego issues. You guys are a dime a dozen and like a pack of wild [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Answer this just for the hell of it.. Have you posted wrong info and failed > to correct it when it has been pointed out to be totally wrong? *That* was ironic, punkin, what Skippy just said in your defense. >>You do not know how to exist outside the pack. >>You guys thrive on this and feel intimidated by anyone that does not [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > begin to get to the real reason why people at this and a bunch of other > groups and forums, as you put it, attack you. SignatureMake friends with a few animals. Then you will become a cheerful man once more and nothing will be able to trouble you. - Albert Einstein > Would someone please translate that gibberish for me? Sure. This should clear it up for you: http://homepage.mac.com/mcraigchr/budd2.htm > *That* was ironic, punkin, what Skippy just said in your defense. Rump Ranger, an example of irony is pretending to be smarter than the rest of the group by correcting their grammar. Yet, you are unable to complete a grammatically correct sentence. I believe your sentence above contains a glaring dangling modifier. a.s. Craig C. > > Would someone please translate that gibberish for me? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I believe your sentence above contains a glaring dangling modifier. I was aware that the sentence had a 'spoken' quality as I wrote it. I like it that way. > a.s. > > Craig C. SignatureMake friends with a few animals. Then you will become a cheerful man once more and nothing will be able to trouble you. -- Albert Einstein >> I believe your sentence above contains a glaring dangling modifier. > > I was aware that the sentence had a 'spoken' quality as I wrote it. I > like it that way. If I were a gambling man, I'd bet that Larry (azwiley) would prefer that you communicate that 'spoken quality' verbally and in person. You could try 'getting along'. Then others, besides yourself, might like what you have to say. Craig C. >>> I believe your sentence above contains a glaring dangling modifier. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Craig C. Larry (punkin) likes the coddling he gets, so I try to keep it coming. SignatureMake friends with a few animals. Then you will become a cheerful man once more and nothing will be able to trouble you. -- Albert Einstein >>>> I believe your sentence above contains a glaring dangling modifier. >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Larry (punkin) likes the coddling he gets, so I try to keep it coming. ah come one, tell the truth. you got a crush on him. > Larry (punkin) likes the coddling he gets, so I try to keep it coming. You like coddling other men? Craig C. >> Larry (punkin) likes the coddling he gets, so I try to keep it coming. > > You like coddling other men? The only Beryl that I personally know is a woman. Ken > Craig C. >>>Larry (punkin) likes the coddling he gets, so I try to keep it coming. >> >>You like coddling other men? > > The only Beryl that I personally know is a woman. I don't personally know any. There's this Beryl, http://www.beryldshannon.com/indexb.htm Then there's the Linux 3D desktop Beryl, http://www.beryl-project.org/ And then you got your mineral, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl SignatureMake friends with a few animals. Then you will become a cheerful man once more and nothing will be able to trouble you. -- Albert Einstein > >>> I believe your sentence above contains a glaring dangling modifier. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Larry (punkin) likes the coddling he gets, so I try to keep it coming. Hey cock breath, my name is Larry or azwiley1, how about you at least be man enough to use one of them. >> > Would someone please translate that gibberish for me? >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >I was aware that the sentence had a 'spoken' quality as I wrote it. I >like it that way. he's trying to fit in with the group. he has no chance though. >> a.s. >> >> Craig C. That's OK Beryl, you don't know the difference between who and whom...so keep it converstational and step off your high horse. >> > Would someone please translate that gibberish for me? >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> >> Craig C. > >Tom, I am just sick of his sh.t. He wants to attack me because he is > >"defending Snoman" yet he is too stupid to attack me for the same [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com Dude, I haven't gone after you for months, but if you would like, I can start again. Care to tell us all where the knock sensor is on the V-10? I don't have an ego issue as you say, I (mostly though not always) stay with answering questions about areas that I know about (as do most). It is people like you however, that do not. Example, I'll reference my posting in the Chevy group about cats, instead of answering it, you proceeded to try to "teach" me about cats. Not what I was looking for was it? > Before you jump the gun, make sure that ATF +4 is even recommended for your > trans. Just because it has a higher number does not always make it [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > might be just wasting money and at worst, could damage your trans. I would > give the dealership a quick call and ask. ATF+4 is fully compatible in dodges that require ATF+3. It was specifically designed to meet all ATF+3 specifications. Theres only a couple Dodge engines made after 1999 that do not use ATF+3 and the trucks don't have them. But I do agree to double check the owners manual. >> Before you jump the gun, make sure that ATF +4 is even recommended for >> your [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > couple Dodge engines made after 1999 that do not use ATF+3 and the trucks > don't have them. But I do agree to double check the owners manual. The owner's manual for 2000 indicates that ATF+3 or Dextron III is suited to use. However, seeing the result of what I think was Dextron 3 or +3 in it, I think I will put +4 in it. > The owner's manual for 2000 indicates that ATF+3 or Dextron III is suited > to use. I find that very hard to believe (at least, I find it hard to believe they meant to write that - mistakes happen)... Dexron (there's no 't' in it) has NEVER been approved for Chrysler transmissions - always Mopar 7176 or equivalent (and the equivalent is ATF+3). Could you post a scan or picture of the manual where it says this? >> The owner's manual for 2000 indicates that ATF+3 or Dextron III is suited >> to use. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Could you post a scan or picture of the manual where it says this? You are correct. The Transfer Case and Trasmission section are almost mixed together. > You are correct. The Transfer Case and Trasmission section are almost > mixed together. Ah, ok. Yep - Dex3 is fine in the transfer case (no clutches). >>> The crap they put in my trans has no odor at all, so I know it's got to >>> be cheap that came in a cheap drum. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > will protect the transmisson better. > Thanks for the info. I thought you had a modified transmission with a bunch of DTT parts in it. If so you might want to talk to them before you put anything in it. Actually you might want to talk to them anyway. Here's their phone number: 1-866-504-4002 > you might want to talk to them anyway. Here's their phone number: > 1-866-504-4002 And while you have them on the phone, ask them what ever happened to the massive 48RE failures we were all supposed to see by now. After all, they were designed to fail at 75,000 miles. >> you might want to talk to them anyway. Here's their phone number: >> 1-866-504-4002 > > And while you have them on the phone, ask them what ever happened to the > massive 48RE failures we were all supposed to see by now. After all, they > were designed to fail at 75,000 miles. I remember that, good question >>>> The crap they put in my trans has no odor at all, so I know it's got to >>>> be cheap that came in a cheap drum. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Actually you might want to talk to them anyway. Here's their phone number: > 1-866-504-4002 Only a DTT torque coverter. The trans was modified by a shop, but no other DTT part in it. |
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