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The 2nd amendment explained.

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miles - 14 May 2007 05:32 GMT
Here is the original writing of the constitution prior to it's decades
of misinterpretations that have taken hold.

“A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free
Bear, the right of the People to keep and arm bears shall not be
infringed.”

And those two short lines are what is causing all this bother.

There are two main groups in the bear community, one of whom is
vehemently pro-arming themselves, while the other suggests that the US
government should take far more involvement in the regulation of bears’
arms. A third, minor faction supports the notion that bare-armed bears
who bear arms must arm bears only in extreme situations requiring the
use of deadly force (for example, when the bear community is at war),
but their voice is often lost in this fiercely-contested debate.
Beryl - 14 May 2007 07:40 GMT
> Here is the original writing of the constitution prior to it's decades
> of misinterpretations that have taken hold.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> use of deadly force (for example, when the bear community is at war),
> but their voice is often lost in this fiercely-contested debate.

Well thanks a lot, miles, too late now. My state's official animal, the
Grizzly, is long extinct here. They've all been shot.

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Craig C. - 14 May 2007 21:27 GMT
> Well thanks a lot, miles, too late now. My state's official animal, the
> Grizzly, is long extinct here. They've all been shot.

I know what you should dress as for Halloween.

Craig C.
miles - 15 May 2007 01:57 GMT
>> Well thanks a lot, miles, too late now. My state's official animal,
>> the Grizzly, is long extinct here. They've all been shot.
>
> I know what you should dress as for Halloween.

Yep, the Rabbit costume is already taken.
Ed H. - 15 May 2007 07:14 GMT
> Well thanks a lot, miles, too late now. My state's official animal, the
> Grizzly, is long extinct here. They've all been shot.

At least the brown bear, black bear and mountain lion/cougar/puma
populations are rebounding.  I have seen all three with in a mile of my
house, as well as golden eagles and numerous coyotes.  I live on the far
edge of town and often walk past that boundary into their domain.  I accept
the risk of travelling in the wild and wish them to have a place to live
too.  Fortunately, all of the members of those species whom I have
encountered have been more afraid of me, hence they ran away (which is
usually when I spot them).  I'm not sure I would like a  grizzly bear living
in the area.  I kind of doubt they ever did, but it's not an idea I'm
comfortable with.

To be honest, I don't like the mountain lions and coyote so close.  A few
months ago a pack of coyote was about 1/2 block away, in amongst the houses
and from the sound of their calls, I think they had taken prey.  There is a
mountain lion who is known to travel within a 1/2 mile of my house.  He is
very bold and won't get out of the way of vehicles traveling on the private
property on which I walk.  This neighborhood has been here for over 40
years.  The school were they recently started informing students and parents
what to do if they see a mountain lion has been next to this neighborhood
for 30 years.
Beryl - 15 May 2007 09:17 GMT
>>Well thanks a lot, miles, too late now. My state's official animal, the
>>Grizzly, is long extinct here. They've all been shot.
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> what to do if they see a mountain lion has been next to this neighborhood
> for 30 years.

I'm listening to coyotes howl right now.

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miles - 15 May 2007 14:03 GMT
> To be honest, I don't like the mountain lions and coyote so close.

Here in AZ I do not know of a single case of a coyote attacking a
person.  They do come into my neighborhood and have attacked dogs and
cats but only if someones pet gets loose or is let out.

Mountain Lions have attacked people but it's rare.  Often it's an older
weaker lion that goes after a small kid.  Around here it's always been
in somewhat remote areas or when homes get built in lion country.

Thats odd you've been there 40 years and they just now started hanging
around.  Is it possible their natural area is being encroached or a bad
winter, draught etc. has made their food source scarce?
Roy - 15 May 2007 14:36 GMT
>> To be honest, I don't like the mountain lions and coyote so close.
>
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> around.  Is it possible their natural area is being encroached or a bad
> winter, draught etc. has made their food source scarce?

Down here it is alligators. Between the wild fires, drought and mating
season they are all over the place. A local car dealer had one under one of
his new bmw's
Chris Thompson - 15 May 2007 16:22 GMT
>>> To be honest, I don't like the mountain lions and coyote so close.
>>
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> season they are all over the place. A local car dealer had one under one
> of his new bmw's

we lived in AL a few years back and while we were there one of the baldwin
county sheriff officers had the fender taken off of his patrol car by an
alligator. was the funniest news story i had heard in a while. he honked
his horn at the gator like it was gonna say "oh I'm sorry I'm in your
way." so it turned and bit the car taking the fender off.

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Chris Thompson - 15 May 2007 16:24 GMT
> Down here it is alligators. Between the wild fires, drought and mating
> season they are all over the place. A local car dealer had one under one
> of his new bmw's

how close are you to the wild fires in south GA? we had smoke covering
everything over the weekend. i think they said visibility was down to 1/2
a mile at best because of it.

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Roy - 15 May 2007 22:05 GMT
>> Down here it is alligators. Between the wild fires, drought and mating
>> season they are all over the place. A local car dealer had one under one
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> everything over the weekend. i think they said visibility was down to 1/2
> a mile at best because of it.

I'm about 90 miles south of Jacksonville, 10 miles north of Daytona. I'm 2
miles from the ocean so the breeze moves the smoke inland. A couple of
mornings it was really heavy for a couple of hours. Of course we had a fire
going about a mile south and 4 miles west that if it wasn't for the wind
might have been a cause for worry, I'm east of I-95 so that acts as a sorta
fire break.
They have parts of I-10 closed for a few days due to the smoke, the Georgia
fire moved into Fl.

Roy
azwiley1 - 15 May 2007 17:44 GMT
> > To be honest, I don't like the mountain lions and coyote so close.
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> around.  Is it possible their natural area is being encroached or a bad
> winter, draught etc. has made their food source scarce?

miles, I don't know about your neck o'the woods, but even the odd bear
that comes into town down here, have never attacked anyone.  We have
at one a year, a time that a bear comes down and climbs into some poor
souls tree in front of their house and I mean in city proper.
miles - 16 May 2007 14:09 GMT
> miles, I don't know about your neck o'the woods, but even the odd bear
> that comes into town down here, have never attacked anyone.  We have
> at one a year, a time that a bear comes down and climbs into some poor
> souls tree in front of their house and I mean in city proper.

Bears rarely attack people and in AZ are rarely seen.  They live
primarily in very rugged terrain such as in canyons.  In the 30+ years
I've been camping all over AZ I have only seen one bear a few years ago.
 Ya, theres bears at the city dumps up north at times though.  About
the only time I know a bear will attack is if you cross paths with a
mother bear that has cubs nearby.
Ed H. - 16 May 2007 02:59 GMT
I've only been here about 9 years.  The neighborhood is only  a few blocks
long buy a few wide and is surrounded on 3.5 sides by open space.  To the
south, west and east is grazing land, oil fields, farms and vinyards and
national forest for 10 miles to the west, 30 miles to the south, and 60 or
more miles to the east.  The critters have been around since I moved here.

About the time I moved in, they planted many square miles of vineyards 15 or
so miles south west on what looked like prime varmit hunting ground, so
maybe some of the predators were displaced. Also, we have had a very dry
rain season and that may be drawing them down to lower elevations, thus the
bulletins from the school. The bold mountain lion has been around for many
years, but as far as I know doesn't come into the neighborhood.  The coyotes
on occasion do and probably find cats.  Something has taken at least a few
cattle that I know of as close as 2 miles away, but that area is seperated
by hills, etc from the neighborhood.  One night I was walking in the grazing
land, less than 400 feet from the houses, not far from cattle, when a
mountain lion roared from a tree stand near the top of a hill that I was
walking straight toward.  Needless to say, I change direction.

About once or twice a year there are reports of a mountain lion being sited
near schools or parks with in a 30-40 mile radius and that does seem to be
climbing.

>> To be honest, I don't like the mountain lions and coyote so close.
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> around.  Is it possible their natural area is being encroached or a bad
> winter, draught etc. has made their food source scarce?
Max Dodge - 14 May 2007 13:38 GMT
And the number one threat!??!?!? BEARS!!!!

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> Here is the original writing of the constitution prior to it's decades of
> misinterpretations that have taken hold.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> force (for example, when the bear community is at war), but their voice is
> often lost in this fiercely-contested debate.
 
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