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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / May 2007

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Cummins 12V 200k plus

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Midlant - 15 May 2007 05:27 GMT
Anyone else have an older 12V with over 200k on it?
John
Ben Turner - 15 May 2007 14:06 GMT
> Anyone else have an older 12V with over 200k on it?
> John

There was one in Denver with over 400K.  The engines are tough as nails if
you maintain them.
rick505 - 16 May 2007 00:04 GMT
there are some dodge diesel  trucks with a million miles on them my brother
seen one with 750 thousand miles the guy said that he never hade any major
engine work done on it except a turbo/ water pump/ starter/ batteries/
belts
Midlant - 17 May 2007 02:01 GMT
Thanks but wsa hoping to talk to someone on here about their experience
with it. I've lost power somewhere. Was curious if they had replaced the
injectors at any point or the lift pump. I know on certain years, the
lift pumps are a serious problem. I think on the 12v's they are pretty
reliable and durable.
John
Roy - 17 May 2007 02:19 GMT
> Thanks but wsa hoping to talk to someone on here about their experience
> with it. I've lost power somewhere. Was curious if they had replaced the
> injectors at any point or the lift pump. I know on certain years, the lift
> pumps are a serious problem. I think on the 12v's they are pretty reliable
> and durable.
> John

Check the hose's at the inter cooler and turbo. They can loosen or perhaps
you have a tear in one.  You might be better served at the tdr.
Midlant - 17 May 2007 05:22 GMT
Thank you.

>> Thanks but wsa hoping to talk to someone on here about their
>> experience with it. I've lost power somewhere. Was curious if they
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> perhaps you have a tear in one.  You might be better served at the
> tdr.
617211 - 17 May 2007 15:45 GMT
I've got about 250k on mine. Loss of power for me meant dirty
fuel/filter first & then look at transfer pump. I've replaced tranfer
pump twice - I get about 100k out of one & then replace it as a
preventative measure.
Midlant - 17 May 2007 17:46 GMT
I replace the filter yearly. I may drive 8k a year. I'm a bike person.
FTW.
4 wheels are good for hauling or towing.
I can get the lift pump, if that's what you're talking about on eBay for
$130 I think. I bought a nice water pump on there but haven't had a need
to replace it yet.
Curious. Is there a need to drop the tank and clean a sock filter, if it
has one? I should have done that when I dropped the tank 5 years ago to
repair a brake line. Wasn't sure how to get the cap off. It didn't look
like it screwed and my factory service manual didn't say anything, that
I remember.
Was the transfer pump a bear to replace? I'd think getting to it is the
hard part, unless you can get it on a lift and try from underneath.

John

> I've got about 250k on mine. Loss of power for me meant dirty
> fuel/filter first & then look at transfer pump. I've replaced tranfer
> pump twice - I get about 100k out of one & then replace it as a
> preventative measure.
Tom Lawrence - 17 May 2007 19:14 GMT
> repair a brake line. Wasn't sure how to get the cap off. It didn't look
> like it screwed and my factory service manual didn't say anything, that I
> remember.

It's a locking ring on the fuel module.  You're supposed to use a special
spanner wrench, but you can just use a screwdriver and a mallet and tap the
ring counter-clockwise to remove it.  Make a reference mark on both the ring
and the tank, so you can get it back to the same position (which will result
in approximately the same torque).
Roy - 17 May 2007 19:29 GMT
>> repair a brake line. Wasn't sure how to get the cap off. It didn't look
>> like it screwed and my factory service manual didn't say anything, that I
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> the ring and the tank, so you can get it back to the same position (which
> will result in approximately the same torque).

The "O" ring is probably junk when you pull it out of the tank. They are
about a buck at the dealer might want to get one just in case.
Midlant - 17 May 2007 22:44 GMT
Ok. Good point. Thanks!

>>> repair a brake line. Wasn't sure how to get the cap off. It didn't
>>> look like it screwed and my factory service manual didn't say
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> The "O" ring is probably junk when you pull it out of the tank. They
> are about a buck at the dealer might want to get one just in case.
Tom Lawrence - 17 May 2007 23:21 GMT
> The "O" ring is probably junk when you pull it out of the tank. They are
> about a buck at the dealer might want to get one just in case.

Good point.  That whole setup is needlessly complex to me (a compromise to
use the same tank in both gas and diesel applications)...  if I were going
to have my tank out, I'd get rid of that whole thing (probably cut a piece
of diesel-compatible plastic to sit under the ring as a filler plate), and
just replace it with a couple of bulkhead fittings and a dip tube (similar
to what DPP sells with their FASS kits).  I'd then cut the hard lines back a
bit, and graft on some flexible fuel lines - making it much easier later on
to lower the tank, disconnect the supply and return lines at the bulkheads
(I'd use AN fittings - SO much more reliable than those stock POS push-lock
connections), and out with the tank.

I'd not advocating that Midlant do this... but I may have just talked myself
into it  :)
Midlant - 17 May 2007 23:54 GMT
LOL Nooooooo! I don't want to modify anything else at the moment. Bikes
are finally pretty much where I want them, compared to all the others
ones in my past. Need to update or repair a boat trailer that has the
keel rollers welded to the trailer and they're rotted, boat needs work,
and still haven't gotten to the front brakes yet.
This just after spending two weeks at my parents doing all their home
repair and maintenance.
Noooooooo! No modifying anything. Noooooooo
Remember the Pink Panther with Peter Sellers? At the end of one of the
movies, whit his nose blown off, he was in a I love me jacket writing
with a crayon between his toes on the padded walls.
That's about where I'm at with maintenance of any sort.
I'm toast!
I'm burnt!
<blurrrrrrrrrbbbbbbbbbbb><finger bouncing lips>

>> The "O" ring is probably junk when you pull it out of the tank. They
>> are about a buck at the dealer might want to get one just in case.
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> I'd not advocating that Midlant do this... but I may have just talked
> myself into it  :)
Midlant - 18 May 2007 04:11 GMT
ps is there a sock filter on the lines in the tank or a screen that
would need cleaning?

When I dropped my tank last time, I didn't monkey with anything, but
shortly thereafter my fuel gauge became erratic. Either I've got a loose
connection or the sending unit went bad.

John
Roy - 18 May 2007 09:18 GMT
> ps is there a sock filter on the lines in the tank or a screen that would
> need cleaning?
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>
> John

IIrc there is a module that can go south. They use to be about $40 from dc.
You might want to pick one up along with the "O" ring.
Midlant - 18 May 2007 14:43 GMT
>> ps is there a sock filter on the lines in the tank or a screen that
>> would need cleaning?
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> IIrc there is a module that can go south. They use to be about $40
> from dc. You might want to pick one up along with the "O" ring.
Nosey - 18 May 2007 00:00 GMT
>> The "O" ring is probably junk when you pull it out of the tank. They
>> are about a buck at the dealer might want to get one just in case.
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> I'd not advocating that Midlant do this... but I may have just talked
> myself into it  :)

You might have talked me into it too. What about the fuel level sending
unit? The one on my '99 is attached on the module. The fuel pickup portion
of the bottom of the module is also spring loaded to compensate for the tank
flexing. Will a dip-tube be any problem?
My fuel module: http://i14.tinypic.com/5yvxmwg.jpg

HDPE (High Density Polyethylene) plastic is diesel compatable. Stop at an
automatic car wash and ask the attendant if they have any plastic soap
barrels they want to get rid of. Most of them use 15, 30, and 55 gallon
barrels and are happy to give away the empty ones. They are very easy to cut
with a sabre saw. The flat bottom of these barrels would be just about the
right thickness to make a filler plate. HDPE is also fairly easy to form if
you get it to the right temperature. An electric skillet works great to warm
up small pieces to forming temperature. In a pinch your wife's laundry iron
might work too. Soldering irons work well for cleaning up rough cut edges
and making small or irregular shaped holes.
See: http://www.yemmhart.com/materials/origins/fabrication.htm for more HDPE
working details.
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Ken

Tom Lawrence - 18 May 2007 04:38 GMT
> You might have talked me into it too. What about the fuel level sending
> unit? The one on my '99 is attached on the module.

Awww....  crap.  Forgot about that.  Okay, fine - I guess it stays.

> flexing. Will a dip-tube be any problem?

Take a look at the installation instructions for the FASS over at
http://www.dieselpp.com
They use a dip tube now - doesn't seem like it's a problem.
Nosey - 18 May 2007 20:12 GMT
>> You might have talked me into it too. What about the fuel level
>> sending unit? The one on my '99 is attached on the module.
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> http://www.dieselpp.com
> They use a dip tube now - doesn't seem like it's a problem.

I see. Thanks.
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Ken

Midlant - 17 May 2007 22:43 GMT
Tom, you're the best.
John

>> repair a brake line. Wasn't sure how to get the cap off. It didn't
>> look like it screwed and my factory service manual didn't say
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> to the same position (which will result in approximately the same
> torque).
Midlant - 17 May 2007 17:47 GMT
ps have you pulled your injectors for cleaning or replacement?
John

> I've got about 250k on mine. Loss of power for me meant dirty
> fuel/filter first & then look at transfer pump. I've replaced tranfer
> pump twice - I get about 100k out of one & then replace it as a
> preventative measure.
 
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