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Good morning, Just purchased a small used popup camper to pull behind my 02 Dakota V6. The Dak does not have a trailer tow package or HD alternator. The popup has a 12V battery for interior lights etc. Is it a problem to charge this battery by hooking up a wire from the + battery terminal in the Dak or will this possibly overload the alternator? TIA for any advice. >Good morning, > Just purchased a small used popup camper to pull behind my 02 Dakota V6. >The Dak does not have a trailer tow package or HD alternator. The popup has >a 12V battery for interior lights etc. Is it a problem to charge this >battery by hooking up a wire from the + battery terminal in the Dak or will >this possibly overload the alternator? TIA for any advice. There is no cause for concern here at all with alternator. I would suggest that you supply 12 volts to trailer that is switched on when vehicle is running so that you do not run down vehicle battery when it is plugged in and vehicle is off and camper it used a lot. That or make sure to unplug trailer feed when using 12 volts a lot in it. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com >>Good morning, >> Just purchased a small used popup camper to pull behind my 02 Dakota V6. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >----------------- >TheSnoMan.com snotard is not someone that you should put any confidence in at all. there are times when he is right, but it's just a coincidence. he posts so often that he's bound to be right once in a while. never the less, wait for another answer. other than sheryl, steve the boob and comboverboy, no one listens to snotard. just a warning, that's all. >snotard is not someone that you should put any confidence in at all. >there are times when he is right, but it's just a coincidence. he >posts so often that he's bound to be right once in a while. never the >less, wait for another answer. other than sheryl, steve the boob and >comboverboy, no one listens to snotard. Such inmaturity..... BTW, just look as the news groups and you can see who the reall BS kings are and who likes you hear themselves "talk" I guess it helps them feel complete. >just a warning, that's all. No, this is just the ramblings of a very insecure troll. Most trolls like this do not even use real email ID's either because they cannot stand for anything but BS. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com >>snotard is not someone that you should put any confidence in at all. >>there are times when he is right, but it's just a coincidence. he [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Such inmaturity..... look, sooner or later you are gonna have to look that word up and spell it correctly. now i am not a stickler on grammar or spelling, but you use the word almost daily. in that case, you should at least take the time to get it right. >BTW, just look as the news groups and you can see >who the reall BS kings are and who likes you hear themselves "talk" I >guess it helps them feel complete. yeah, thats it moron. what an asshat. i just like the fame of seeing my writing appear on the internet, in this ng. that makes me feel "complete". man, you are an incredible moron. >>just a warning, that's all. > >No, this is just the ramblings of a very insecure troll. well, you are right when you wrote "this", as in referring to your statement. you are indeed a very insecure troll (well, ok, actually a very insecure moron, but i wanted to affirm your comments). > Most trolls >like this do not even use real email ID's either because they cannot >stand for anything but BS. >----------------- >TheSnoMan.com >>>snotard is not someone that you should put any confidence in at all. >>>there are times when he is right, but it's just a coincidence. he [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >but you use the word almost daily. in that case, you should at least >take the time to get it right. Sooner or later you are going to have to grow up. I do not get upset about my typos or others either but the child in you seems focused on this. >>BTW, just look as the news groups and you can see >>who the reall BS kings are and who likes you hear themselves "talk" I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >my writing appear on the internet, in this ng. that makes me feel >"complete". man, you are an incredible moron. tisk tisk, does name calling make you feel more grown up?? It must. SOme may laugh with you but others are laughing at your immaturity >>>just a warning, that's all. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >statement. you are indeed a very insecure troll (well, ok, actually a >very insecure moron, but i wanted to affirm your comments). No other san see because you are the one that cam out like a child calling names not me. Yes affirm that you are a child like troll that gets his fix with name calling and attacking things they do not understand >> Most trolls >>like this do not even use real email ID's either because they cannot >>stand for anything but BS. >>----------------- >>TheSnoMan.com BTW, I will not answer anymore posts from you in this thread because honstly it makes me feel funny to even try to breifly converse with you on your immature level. My silence is not a blessing that you are right but rather a sign I am not going to waste my time with you anymore on this thread. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com >>>>snotard is not someone that you should put any confidence in at all. >>>>there are times when he is right, but it's just a coincidence. he [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >about my typos or others either but the child in you seems focused on >this. thats the thing.......i don't ever have to grow up. but in reality i try not to focus on you, it's just that you so stupid that i can't ignore the crap you write. >>>BTW, just look as the news groups and you can see >>>who the reall BS kings are and who likes you hear themselves "talk" I [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >tisk tisk, does name calling make you feel more grown up?? It must. >SOme may laugh with you but others are laughing at your immaturity well, i served a purpose asshat. you finally spelled it correctly. >>>>just a warning, that's all. >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >gets his fix with name calling and attacking things they do not >understand wow. now that was hard to follow assclown. just curious, did you graduate from american schools.......public education maybe? again, just wondering. >>> Most trolls >>>like this do not even use real email ID's either because they cannot [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >----------------- >TheSnoMan.com okey dokey snotard. now click your heels together and maybe you can go home. > BTW, I will not answer anymore posts from you in this thread because > honstly it makes me feel funny to even try to breifly converse with > you on your immature level. My silence is not a blessing that you are > right but rather a sign I am not going to waste my time with you > anymore on this thread. Any chance you could make this a goup wide thing as opposed to just this thread? >> BTW, I will not answer anymore posts from you in this thread because >> honstly it makes me feel funny to even try to breifly converse with [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Any chance you could make this a goup wide thing as opposed to just >this thread? nice point. > >snotard is not someone that you should put any confidence in at all. > >there are times when he is right, but it's just a coincidence. he [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > who the reall BS kings are and who likes you hear themselves "talk" I > guess it helps them feel complete. Yup, just look at the newsgroup. Specifically look at my thread from yesterday titles OT: Blow out. Feel free to read the info that Snotard is spewing in there. > >just a warning, that's all. > > No, this is just the ramblings of a very insecure troll. Most trolls > like this do not even use real email ID's either because they cannot > stand for anything but BS. Really, what about you, when has anyone ever addressed you by your real name? Never as I recall, why because no one in here knows it because you don't use it. Contrary to your other statement, most in here do use a real and valid email address, though it is jumbled to prevernt idiots like you from spamming them. Might hypocritical of you to flame some one else for the exact same thing you do. > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com > Good morning, > Just purchased a small used popup camper to pull behind my 02 Dakota V6. > The Dak does not have a trailer tow package or HD alternator. The popup has > a 12V battery for interior lights etc. Is it a problem to charge this > battery by hooking up a wire from the + battery terminal in the Dak or will > this possibly overload the alternator? TIA for any advice. i see no issue with hooking up the factory 12v supply to the trailer. your alternator i don't imagine would be in any danger.  SignatureChris 05 CTD 06 Liberty CRD > Good morning, > Just purchased a small used popup camper to pull behind my 02 Dakota V6. > The Dak does not have a trailer tow package or HD alternator. The popup has > a 12V battery for interior lights etc. Is it a problem to charge this > battery by hooking up a wire from the + battery terminal in the Dak or will > this possibly overload the alternator? TIA for any advice. It depends. The stock alternator is a quality piece. It will last for a long time. 100K miles and 10 years is not uncommon. But the stock alternator is designed to handle the electrical load of the truck as supplied from the factory, and that's about it. If you've added some heavy duty electrical components to your truck (lights, stereo), it may be close to overloaded now. Adding a deep cycle battery with a heavy discharge could create a problem. Especially at night. Imagine this scenario. You've been camping all week end. The trailer battery is quite low. Now it's dark and time to go home. Hook up the trailer, turn on the lights, and drive away. Your stock alternator is trying to charge both batteries, and run all the lights. I would go to the bone yard and find an alternator from a truck with a tow package. Signature.boB 2006 FXDI hot rod 2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92 1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver 1965 FFR Cobra - 427W EFI, Damn Fast. > Good morning, > Just purchased a small used popup camper to pull behind my 02 Dakota V6. > The Dak does not have a trailer tow package or HD alternator. The popup has > a 12V battery for interior lights etc. Is it a problem to charge this > battery by hooking up a wire from the + battery terminal in the Dak or will > this possibly overload the alternator? TIA for any advice. I do not believe that you would have a problem with this, as long as the factory alt is not bad to begin with. Personally, I would opt for the high output (HD) alt as it would only serve you well to prevent any possible issues down the road. > > Good morning, > > Just purchased a small used popup camper to pull behind my 02 Dakota V6. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the high output (HD) alt as it would only serve you well to prevent > any possible issues down the road. No problem with the alternator, however: You need to isolate the trailer battery while the truck is cranking. Otherwise the trailer battery will try to help feed the starter. You can use a relay connected to the radio feed, the radio goes off when cranking. Or, connect the trailer battery through a switch and try to remember to flip the switch when you need to charge the trailer battery AND when you shut the truck off. I'd go with a relay. Use heavy wire to connect the two batteries, and make sure the trailer has a ground wire to the truck. Don't trust the ball as a ground path. If you need help wiring the relay, send me an email. Al > > > Good morning, > > > Just purchased a small used popup camper to pull behind my 02 Dakota [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Yeah, never ground anything with your balls! LOL >>> Good morning, Just purchased a small used popup camper to pull >>> behind my 02 Dakota V6. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > trailer battery while the truck is cranking. Otherwise the trailer > battery will try to help feed the starter. That will be a good thing. > You can use a relay > connected to the radio feed, the radio goes off when cranking. Or, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > make sure the trailer has a ground wire to the truck. Don't trust > the ball as a ground path. And he means *heavy* wire. The ground has to be just as heavy too. > If you need help wiring the relay, send me an email. The cranking relay won't isolate the two batteries while parked though. The danger there is being stuck at camp with two dead batteries. Two batteries in parallel isn't the best setup either. The weaker battery will draw the stronger one down to its level. This may not matter much with a popup camping trailer that sees only occasional use, but is a poor design when two or more batteries are always tied together. SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin >>>> Good morning, Just purchased a small used popup camper to pull behind >>>> my 02 Dakota V6. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > That will be a good thing. That was profound. >> You can use a relay connected to the radio feed, the radio goes off when >> cranking. Or, connect the trailer battery through a switch and try to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > And he means *heavy* wire. The ground has to be just as heavy too. How heavy would you use? >>>>>Good morning, Just purchased a small used popup camper to pull behind >>>>>my 02 Dakota V6. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > That was profound. No, not really. But Big Al indicated that he thought otherwise (you didn't read?) so I thought it was worth saying. Now, if we were talking about a motorcycle with a bitty battery, then yes, I'd isolate a big car battery from the starter motor. >>>You can use a relay connected to the radio feed, the radio goes off when >>>cranking. Or, connect the trailer battery through a switch and try to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > How heavy would you use? *heavy*, Skippy! I think I already said that. SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin >> How heavy would you use? > > *heavy*, Skippy! I think I already said that. C'mon crotch cannibal, that was a question. How *heavy*? Or is it beyond you to answer? Look if ya don't know(seems ya don't) roll over, give the Idiot a slap on the a.s wake him up and ask him. I'm sure by now you've done some research and have some sort of a answer, don't ya troll boy? >>> How heavy would you use? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I'm sure by now you've done some research and have some sort of a answer, > don't ya troll boy? What happened to ya crotch cannibal??? I thought you'd be responding to dazzle us with all your electrical and mechanical knowledge. Guess the Idiot didn't like the slap on the a.s and is having you perform. Well, when your mouth is m/t and you've cleaned up, gargled and all, get back to us. >>>How heavy would you use? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I'm sure by now you've done some research and have some sort of a answer, > don't ya troll boy? *WOW* your replies are getting short! There were several points worthy of further discussion, where did everything go??? My first answer to Big Al wasn't "profound" enough for you. Why don't you elaborate on it a bit? You probably, no, *definitely*, should comment on my assertion that connecting a 12V car battery to a 12V motorcycle might not be a good idea. Do you agree, or disagree, or have any thoughts at all? Tell us! How about the parallel battery setup that I called a poor design, Dodge does that don't they? I haven't seen Dodge's dual battery setup personally, but I'm pretty sure it's been mentioned here. And I don't recall ever seeing any negative comments about it. If it's as I think it is, then I just called it LOUSY, and nobody wants to comment? What do you think about it, Skippy? SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin >>>>How heavy would you use? >>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > is, then I just called it LOUSY, and nobody wants to comment? What do you > think about it, Skippy? Well, took ya some time to get cleaned up. Still didn't answer the question. >>>"Beryl" <terrapin@coolbits.net> wrote in message >>>news:134qt6doaj3fn98@corpsupernews.com... [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Still didn't answer the question. LOL! SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin >>>>"Beryl" <terrapin@coolbits.net> wrote in message >>>>news:134qt6doaj3fn98@corpsupernews.com... [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > LOL! WTF do ya want?? I just drove 1200+ miles in about 17 hours and I'm beat. <G> >>>>>"Beryl" <terrapin@coolbits.net> wrote in message >>>>>news:134qt6doaj3fn98@corpsupernews.com... [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > WTF do ya want?? I just drove 1200+ miles in about 17 hours and I'm beat. > <G> You'll do anything to get the "machine" back won't ya........ <VBG> Denny >>>>>>"Beryl" <terrapin@coolbits.net> wrote in message >>>>>>news:134qt6doaj3fn98@corpsupernews.com... [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Denny No, if I took it the wailing I'd here from you would be too much to bear. I also remember all the work you did to get it. Look how it kept you occupied this past week. That damn car was fantastic on the drive both way's. It let's you move through traffic and change lanes instantly. Gotta love all the HP and instant response. A very comfortable car. Only problem with it is the crap in the cooling. Mike was going to look into it from his end. Oh, I warped a set of rotor's as well. Had to hit them hard at about 80mph a few times then I started to get the shimmy at high speed applications. But there is a tsb out on them. I guess they replace them with the slotted rotor's used on the 07's Roy >>> WTF do ya want?? I just drove 1200+ miles in about 17 hours and I'm >>> beat. <G> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I also remember all the work you did to get it. Look how it kept you > occupied this past week. Had nothing to do with your "machine". I gotta tell you tho, the ole JD hasn't missed a beat so far. Everythings been running good so far, got about a hundred acres of beans to finnish up next week. Looking forward to a bit of a break. > That damn car was fantastic on the drive both way's. It let's you move > through traffic and change lanes instantly. Gotta love all the HP and > instant response. Just out of curiosity, what kind of mpg you getting out on the highway?? A very comfortable car. Only problem with it is the crap > in the cooling. Mike was going to look into it from his end. Oh, I warped > a set of rotor's as well. Had to hit them hard at about 80mph a few times > then I started to get the shimmy at high speed applications. With getting your fat a.s stopped from 80 mph I'm surprized it ain't got a drag chute on it. Denny But there is a tsb > out on them. I guess they replace them with the slotted rotor's used on > the 07's > > Roy >>>> WTF do ya want?? I just drove 1200+ miles in about 17 hours and I'm >>>> beat. <G> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > about a hundred acres of beans to finnish up next week. Looking forward to > a bit of a break. Good deal. Does "the machine{" fit on the JD? >> That damn car was fantastic on the drive both way's. It let's you move >> through traffic and change lanes instantly. Gotta love all the HP and >> instant response. > > Just out of curiosity, what kind of mpg you getting out on the highway?? At 70mph it will get a constant 20-21 mpg depending on grade. At 75-90+ it will drop to 17.5 I've never had less on the highway, remember it does not have the cyl cut out or whatever ya call it. What's nice is at those speeds it stops as fast as it goes. Those Brembo's are a good piece. > A very comfortable car. Only problem with it is the crap >> in the cooling. Mike was going to look into it from his end. Oh, I warped [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > With getting your fat a.s stopped from 80 mph I'm surprized it ain't got a > drag chute on it. The question the begs to be asked is: Will your fat a.s fit in the contoured seat? I'm sure there is no weight used on the JD. > Denny >>>>> WTF do ya want?? I just drove 1200+ miles in about 17 hours and I'm >>>>> beat. <G> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Good deal. Does "the machine{" fit on the JD? Not at all. Haven't even had the opportunity to try it since it's been on the east coast for a few years now. >>> That damn car was fantastic on the drive both way's. It let's you move >>> through traffic and change lanes instantly. Gotta love all the HP and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > have the cyl cut out or whatever ya call it. What's nice is at those > speeds it stops as fast as it goes. Those Brembo's are a good piece. That isn't bad for that kind of performance. My old big-block Camaro would get 14 on the highway if I kept it below 50. But it'd outrun your pos any day.. <VBG> Notice I didn't say out-stop or out-handle... >> A very comfortable car. Only problem with it is the crap >>> in the cooling. Mike was going to look into it from his end. Oh, I [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The question the begs to be asked is: Will your fat a.s fit in the > contoured seat? Yes it will. I've got to put my fingerprints on a couple of them so far.. > I'm sure there is no weight used on the JD. Guess again. Had to put fluid in the inside dual this spring and it still's running 7-8% slippage. Denny >> Denny >>>>>> WTF do ya want?? I just drove 1200+ miles in about 17 hours and I'm >>>>>> beat. <G> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > get 14 on the highway if I kept it below 50. But it'd outrun your pos any > day.. <VBG> Notice I didn't say out-stop or out-handle... Stock out of the box, I've seen time slips that vary from 12.80 on up most are 12.9 low 13's. Having to do with driver, weather, elevation and so on. Top speed some have posted pic's and vid's of 165mph Not too shabby for a 4 door.Doubtful your Camaro could turn that. I know that the 69 I had could but it was far from stock. Glass nose, and stuff like that. Not a registered street car. Actually it was a cheater, was a 427. No way would it get to 165MPH with the rear gears. >>> A very comfortable car. Only problem with it is the crap >>>> in the cooling. Mike was going to look into it from his end. Oh, I [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Yes it will. I've got to put my fingerprints on a couple of them so far.. I didn't say touch them! I said get your fat a.s into the seat. >> I'm sure there is no weight used on the JD. > > Guess again. Had to put fluid in the inside dual this spring and it > still's running 7-8% slippage. What happened ya go on a diet??<VBG> Roy > Denny > >>> Denny >>>>>>> WTF do ya want?? I just drove 1200+ miles in about 17 hours and I'm >>>>>>> beat. <G> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > a registered street car. Actually it was a cheater, was a 427. No way > would it get to 165MPH with the rear gears. Mine was a '67 with a 402. It'd run high 11's most of the time if I did my part. I had tags on mine just so I could put 50 miles a summer on it. Them was "fun" miles. <VBG> >>>> A very comfortable car. Only problem with it is the crap >>>>> in the cooling. Mike was going to look into it from his end. Oh, I [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > I didn't say touch them! I said get your fat a.s into the seat. It'll fit just fine. A much looser fit for me than you if I might say.. >>> I'm sure there is no weight used on the JD. >> >> Guess again. Had to put fluid in the inside dual this spring and it >> still's running 7-8% slippage. > > What happened ya go on a diet??<VBG> Actually yes. I've managed to stay 195-198 for a year now. And I'm still as purdy as I ever was... Denny >>>>>>>> WTF do ya want?? I just drove 1200+ miles in about 17 hours and I'm >>>>>>>> beat. <G> [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > part. I had tags on mine just so I could put 50 miles a summer on it. Them > was "fun" miles. <VBG> That was a fun time, for sure. >>>>> A very comfortable car. Only problem with it is the crap >>>>>> in the cooling. Mike was going to look into it from his end. Oh, I [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Actually yes. I've managed to stay 195-198 for a year now. And I'm still > as purdy as I ever was... Now put both feet on the scale. Roy > > Denny >> Actually yes. I've managed to stay 195-198 for a year now. And I'm still >> as purdy as I ever was... > > Now put both feet on the scale. Damn....... Denny >>>>>"Beryl" <terrapin@coolbits.net> wrote in message >>>>>news:134qt6doaj3fn98@corpsupernews.com... [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > WTF do ya want?? I just drove 1200+ miles in about 17 hours and I'm beat. > <G> Sure. And I'm on the left coast, posted something at 2:45 AM, but you expected me to stay up til 4:00 to await your next reply. SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin > >>>>>Good morning, Just purchased a small used popup camper to pull behind > >>>>>my 02 Dakota V6. [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > *heavy*, Skippy! I think I already said that. I'm sorry in all the years I have been working on cars, to including the creation and installation of competition stereo systmes, I have NEVER heard of a wire a "heavy" There are gauges, from 00 to 1/0, to 22. So, what is it? Hell, tell me this, what size is the cabling in a set of jumper cables? > > >>>>>Good morning, Just purchased a small used popup camper to pull behind > > >>>>>my 02 Dakota V6. [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > 22. So, what is it? Hell, tell me this, what size is the cabling in > a set of jumper cables? When I set up my '77 D200 for my 'Superwench' S3500, I used 1/0 welding cable to feed the 175A disconnects at the front & rear. I didn't *need* to go that large but, the wire wasn't too expensive (at the time), and it's what the pins for the connectors would fit. At the same time, I installed dual Interstate Group 27 "Workaholic" batteries, with a solenoid between them. The solenoid is energized from the Accessory feed (de-energized during cranking). The winch is powered from the 2nd battery. Later, I fabricated a set of jumper cables from 1/0. The cables have a connector on one end that will plug into the 175A connector... I can jump-start someone from either end of my truck. Bryan >> I'm sorry in all the years I have been working on cars, to >> including the creation and installation of competition stereo >> systmes, I have NEVER heard of a wire a "heavy" There are gauges, >> from 00 to 1/0, to 22. So, what is it? Hell, tell me this, what >> size is the cabling in a set of jumper cables? Hell what, you idiot? Mine are 4 AWG. You think they're all the same? > When I set up my '77 D200 for my 'Superwench' S3500, I used 1/0 > welding cable to feed the 175A disconnects at the front & rear. I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > plug into the 175A connector... I can jump-start someone from either > end of my truck. Bryan Excellent, but I think you lost punkin there. He installs car stereos. SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin > >> I'm sorry in all the years I have been working on cars, to > >> including the creation and installation of competition stereo [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Excellent, but I think you lost punkin there. He installs car stereos. No a.shole, once again you are wrong. First I USED to install car audio and electronics, which if you knew anyting about where I worked and who our clients were, involved a lot more then what you think. Second of all, just like every other time you open your mouth, you are making stupid statements based of no fact, no knowledge and simply because you have obsolutely no purpose here other then to follow me around like a crack whore looking for her next dick. Why, not only do I still not understand what your infactuation with me is, I really don't care anymore. You are a waste of oxygen and a waste of time. Maybe one day you will learn that you really should know more about the people you are attacking and trying to disprove. When the info that I post become dangerous and harmful to others as his info has countless time, then maybe you will have reasons behind what you are doing. But I can tell you that you will never have that reason because I do not prove info like that. punkin: >>>>I'm sorry in all the years I have been working on cars, to >>>>including the creation and installation of competition stereo [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > doing. But I can tell you that you will never have that reason > because I do not prove info like that. That was gobbledygook. http://cougar.eb.com/soundc11/g/gobble03.wav http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/gobbledygook Function: noun Etymology: irregular from gobble, noun : wordy and generally unintelligible jargon SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin > The cranking relay won't isolate the two batteries while parked though. > The danger there is being stuck at camp with two dead batteries. Apparently you don't understand the function of the relay in this circuit or how it works. When the truck is parked and the ignition is switched off, the batteries are isolated from each other preventing the vehicle battery from being discharged from electrical usage in the trailer. i.e., the relay is not energized, there is no direct positive cable connection between the two batteries. > Two batteries in parallel isn't the best setup either. The weaker > battery will draw the stronger one down to its level. Won't happen. The only time the two batteries are connected together is when the tow vehicle's engine is running via the now energized isolation relay, if the engine is running, the circuit voltage to both batteries is higher that the static open circuit voltage of the batteries, the batteries are now being charged, there is no "weaker" battery. Differences in internal resistance between the two batteries will cause the battery with lower resistance to draw more current, but that is the only difference. > This may not > matter much with a popup camping trailer that sees only occasional use, > but is a poor design when two or more batteries are always tied together. The batteries -aren't- always tied together. the only time they are tied together is when the engine is running and they are being charged. You should endeavor to learn how a properly connected isolation relay works. (assuming that you can find time in between calling people names) >>The cranking relay won't isolate the two batteries while parked though. >>The danger there is being stuck at camp with two dead batteries. > > Apparently you don't understand the function of the relay in this > circuit or how it works. There is no "this circuit". Big Al described this: "You need to isolate the trailer battery while the truck is cranking." And you're going on to describe something *entirely different* below. > When the truck is parked and the ignition is switched off, the > batteries are isolated from each other preventing the vehicle [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > relay works. (assuming that you can find time in between calling > people names) Boo-hoo. SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin > >>The cranking relay won't isolate the two batteries while parked though. > >>The danger there is being stuck at camp with two dead batteries. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > There is no "this circuit". Sure there is. OEMs have been making them available for tears. > Big Al described this: > "You need to isolate the trailer > battery while the truck is cranking." I don't really care how Big Al described it. > And you're going on to describe something *entirely different* below. Nope, not entirely different. Just appears so to you because (as I said) you don't know what the circuit does or how it functions. > > When the truck is parked and the ignition is switched off, the > > batteries are isolated from each other preventing the vehicle [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Boo-hoo. So true! >>>>The cranking relay won't isolate the two batteries while parked though. >>>>The danger there is being stuck at camp with two dead batteries. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Sure there is. OEMs have been making them available for tears. Look, Neil, there was no "this", and now there's no "them". There are many circuits. >>Big Al described this: >>"You need to isolate the trailer >>battery while the truck is cranking." > > I don't really care how Big Al described it. Then you don't care about what I replied to, because that's what I replied to. "You need to isolate the trailer battery while the truck is cranking. Otherwise the trailer battery will try to help feed the starter. You can use a relay connected to the radio feed, the radio goes off when cranking." - Big Al "When the truck is parked and the ignition is switched off, the batteries are isolated from each other preventing the vehicle battery from being discharged from electrical usage in the trailer. i.e., the relay is not energized, there is no direct positive cable connection between the two batteries." - Neil Is the ignition switched off when cranking? Um, no, better not be. So then, you have the batteries connected while cranking, and Al has them isolated at the same time. Are you both talking about the same circuit? You claimed that in "this circuit" the only time they are tied together is when the engine is running. But Al has them tied together whenever the radio will play. Is that the same thing? >>And you're going on to describe something *entirely different* below. > > Nope, not entirely different. Just appears so to you because (as > I said) you don't know what the circuit does or how it functions. You don't really care about what Big Al said, so you'll just ramble on about your circuit instead. Go ahead... >>>When the truck is parked and the ignition is switched off, the >>>batteries are isolated from each other preventing the vehicle [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > So true! What's true to you, Neil? SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin > >>>>The cranking relay won't isolate the two batteries while parked though. > >>>>The danger there is being stuck at camp with two dead batteries. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Look, Neil, there was no "this", and now there's no "them". There are > many circuits. There are many thick headed people also, but this isn't about you or your minions. > >>Big Al described this: > >>"You need to isolate the trailer [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Then you don't care about what I replied to, because that's what I > replied to. That's quite the crystal ball you've got there. > "You need to isolate the trailer battery while the truck is cranking. > Otherwise the trailer battery will try to help feed the starter. You can [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Is the ignition switched off when cranking? Um, no, better not be. Is the engine cranking when the ignition is switched on? Does the word "ignition" describe just a circuit? Does the word "ignition" describe a switch which has multiple positions and/or modes of operation? If the component in question is installed in a Diesel vehicle, must we now call it a 'compression switch' because Diesel engine don't have an ignition system? If a thick headed person is shown to be wrong, does arguing semantics bolster his position? > So then, you have the batteries connected while cranking, I never said I would connect the relay to an ignition feed. I only described the state that a particular switch was positioned to. > and Al has > them isolated at the same time. Are you both talking about the same circuit? What circuit? According to you, there is no circuit. > You claimed that in "this circuit" the only time they are tied together > is when the engine is running. But Al has them tied together whenever > the radio will play. Is that the same thing? Can you think of a way one might have an advantage over the other? > >>And you're going on to describe something *entirely different* below. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > You don't really care about what Big Al said, so you'll just ramble on > about your circuit instead. Go ahead... "Ramble?" I would never entertain the thought of competing with you... > >>>When the truck is parked and the ignition is switched off, the > >>>batteries are isolated from each other preventing the vehicle [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > What's true to you, Neil? Are you having a problem following the attributes? (that's a question, not an answer) >>>>>>The cranking relay won't isolate the two batteries while parked though. >>>>>>The danger there is being stuck at camp with two dead batteries. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > There are many thick headed people also, but this isn't about you > or your minions. Oh, look! Neil is starting to call me names now. >>>>Big Al described this: >>>>"You need to isolate the trailer [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > That's quite the crystal ball you've got there. Those are "floaters", Neil, they're in your eyeballs. >>"You need to isolate the trailer battery while the truck is cranking. >>Otherwise the trailer battery will try to help feed the starter. You can [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > If a thick headed person is shown to be wrong, does arguing > semantics bolster his position? Don't try to blow a nebulous fog over it, Neil. >>So then, you have the batteries connected while cranking, > > I never said I would connect the relay to an ignition feed. So you, and everyone else, would connect the relay trigger to radio power, same as Al would? And that's why "this circuit" covers everything? > I only described the state that a particular switch was > positioned to. Which confirmed what I said. You have the batteries connected while cranking. >>and Al has >>them isolated at the same time. Are you both talking about the same circuit? > > What circuit? According to you, there is no circuit. You won't answer, so there's NO circuit now? >>You claimed that in "this circuit" the only time they are tied together >>is when the engine is running. But Al has them tied together whenever >>the radio will play. Is that the same thing? > > Can you think of a way one might have an advantage over the > other? Sure. Al can turn his key to "Acc." so the family can listen to the truck's CD player over dinner, while his trailer's lights drain the truck battery. >>>>And you're going on to describe something *entirely different* below. >>> [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > Are you having a problem following the attributes? > (that's a question, not an answer) We can argue if you like, Neil, but I might end up naming you Nell. Then you'd get upset. SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin > We can argue if you like, Neil, but I might end up naming you Nell. Then > you'd get upset. Is that what you want Beryl? I offered an explanation as to why your deductions were in error. Apparently, it upsets you that you were wrong and that I know more about the subject than you. I'll make it real simple. (assume you have at least seven fingers and/or toes left) There are seven output circuits from the ignition switch on a 2002 Dodge Dakota; Circuit #2 is hot in the run and start position. Circuit #3 is hot in the run and start position Circuit #7 is hot in the run position only Circuit #8 is hot in the run position only Circuit #9 is hot in the run position and the accessory position Circuit #10 is hot in the run position and the accessory position Circuit #13 is hot in the start position only From the above factory information, it is easy to see that it is possible to tap into two of these circuits to trigger an auxiliary battery isolation relay so that the relay would -only- be energized when the ignition switch is in the engine running position, the relay would -not- be energized during engine crank and the relay would not be energized if the ignition switch were in the accessory position. If I were wiring this relay for a customer, I would not wire it as Big Al suggested, not because his way wouldn't work but because his way leaves an error mode that the customer may not realize resulting in a drained vehicle battery. IOWs, because of certain people who can't fathom how a battery isolation circuit works, things have to be made as idiot proof as possible. Now, feel free to call me any name that you choose; Nell, Nellybell, Bob and Neil, Aardvark, punkin, sweetcheeks, hermaphrodite, etc. because after all, there is nothing wrong with one more confirmation from you of what type of person you really are. FYI, if there was even the slightest chance that anything you say could "upset" me, why would I bother explaining your error to you? Or say thank you for giving you a bit of free education. >>We can argue if you like, Neil, but I might end up naming you Nell. Then >>you'd get upset. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > If I were wiring this relay for a customer, I would not wire it > as Big Al suggested, Finally! There goes "the circuit" you began arguing with me about. <poof> Exactly as I said, NELL, "You don't really care about what Big Al said, so you'll just ramble on about your circuit instead." > not because his way wouldn't work but > because his way leaves an error mode that the customer may not > realize resulting in a drained vehicle battery. Didn't I just say that, NELL, when you asked "Can you think of a way one might have an advantage over the other?" > IOWs, because of certain people who can't fathom how a battery > isolation circuit works, things have to be made as idiot proof as > possible. > > Now, feel free to call me any name that you choose; Nell, NELL will be good. > Nellybell, Bob and Neil, Aardvark, punkin, sweetcheeks, > hermaphrodite, etc. because after all, there is nothing wrong > with one more confirmation from you of what type of person you > really are. > FYI, if there was even the slightest chance that anything you say > could "upset" me, why would I bother explaining your error to you? A better question, NELL: why were, and are, you intent on ignoring what Al was describing, and instead explaining your truely bitchin' and amazing "this circuit" instead? > Or say thank you for giving you a bit of free education. That was dazzling, NELL. Well at least I now know the seven output circuits from the ignition switch on a 2002 Dodge Dakota that I don't own, thanks so much. SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin > A better question, NELL: why were, and are, you intent on ignoring what > Al was describing, and instead explaining your truely bitchin' and > amazing "this circuit" instead? Because your original ignorant belief was that the way Big Al had connected the isolation relay would only provide battery isolation during cranking. You claimed; > The cranking relay won't isolate the two batteries while parked though. > The danger there is being stuck at camp with two dead batteries. Aside from older Volkswagens, do you know of any vehicles where the radio is allowed to be powered when the ignition is switched off which is the typical state when a vehicle is parked? That certainly isn't the way an 02 Dakota is wired. So, to answer your question bberryll; Because you just couldn't think your way thru the obvious there bberryll. Big Al's way would isolate the batteries contrary to your erroneous conclusion. You *might* have been correct if you had qualified your claim with 'parked and listing to the tow vehicle's radio.' But you didn't, which makes you not all that clever. Simply put; (why do I keep having to do this for you?) you were more wrong than Big Al was. > > Or say thank you for giving you a bit of free education. > > That was dazzling, NELL. Given your lack of critical thinking skills, plus your non existent electrical skills, I'm sure it was. > Well at least I now know the seven output > circuits from the ignition switch on a 2002 Dodge Dakota that I don't > own, thanks so much. Feel free to save it somewhere, maybe you can pass it on to someone in the future and at least -appear- to have some value to society. I realize that the high schools now days don't really teach much past what is in actuality the sixth grade level, so, on behalf of Big Al, myself and the rest of the group, please accept my (our) apologies that this went so f.cking far over your pointy little head. NELL: >>A better question, NELL: why were, and are, you intent on ignoring what >>Al was describing, and instead explaining your truely bitchin' and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > connected the isolation relay would only provide battery > isolation during cranking. I already had the "CD music over dinner" scenario in mind when I read what he described, NELL. > You claimed; > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Simply put; (why do I keep having to do this for you?) > you were more wrong than Big Al was. I'll help you with this, NELL. Your inability to think beyond an ignition switch is the cause of your error. If there's no suitably switched power source for a relay trigger in there, or anywhere else on a vehicle for that matter, I guess you're just stuck. Here's a trick, NELL: Grab your prototyping breadboard and a handful of transistors and build your very own logic sub-circuit entirely from scratch. You can have a circuit that functions exactly the way you'd like it to, regardless of what relay inputs already are, or are not, available in the stock vehicle. You won't even be limited to calling battery "A" the vehicle battery and battery "B" the house battery. Either, or both, can serve either purpose at any time, and even change roles on-the-fly as necessary. It's magic! >>>Or say thank you for giving you a bit of free education. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Feel free to save it somewhere, maybe you can pass it on to It's a keeper for sure, NELL. Never know when I might buy a 2002 Dodge Dakota. > someone in the future and at least -appear- to have some value to > society. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > apologies that this went so f.cking far over your pointy little > head. SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin >NELL: >> [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >Either, or both, can serve either purpose at any time, and even change >roles on-the-fly as necessary. It's magic! or nell, here is another trick. don't listen to sheryl. she's just one pissed off.........well, one pissed of creature. i wonder if her last two sentences are actually a description of steve the boob and herself? >>>>Or say thank you for giving you a bit of free education. >>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> apologies that this went so f.cking far over your pointy little >> head. > NELL: > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I already had the "CD music over dinner" scenario in mind when I read > what he described, NELL. Here's what you should do then... When you and Snokook head on up to Brokeback Mountain on your yearly rendezvous, take a portable generator. That way you can listen to CD music over dinner -and- run your industrial sized 110 volt anal fisting dildo. > > You claimed; > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > I'll help you with this, NELL. Your inability to think beyond an > ignition switch is the cause of your error. This isn't about me bberryll, this is about your erroneous assumption that the isolation relay would not isolate the batteries when parked. Never stopped to consider the 'f.ck up a free lunch' crowd. (my bad) > If there's no suitably switched power source for a relay trigger in > there, or anywhere else on a vehicle for that matter, I guess you're > just stuck. There isn't? Why is it then that millions of vehicles have managed to function for many years with such a design? > Here's a trick, NELL: Grab your prototyping breadboard > and a handful of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Either, or both, can serve either purpose at any time, and even change > roles on-the-fly as necessary. It's magic! Sounds like 'dog lick' engineering to me. Hey, add a couple of capacitors and you can have it deploy it's own airbag. > > Feel free to save it somewhere, maybe you can pass it on to > > It's a keeper for sure, NELL. Never know when I might buy a 2002 Dodge > Dakota. Considering that that switch is representative of pretty much everything being used, that's almost a cognitive answer. Almost. NELL: > This isn't about me bberryll, this is about your erroneous > assumption that the isolation relay would not isolate the > batteries when parked. Unless the key is turned to the Acc. position, isolation while parked is so obvious, it's a given, NELL. Yes, you were hoping to thoroughly confound me with "Can you think of a way one might have an advantage over the other?" Sorry, NELL. You want to be taken seriously, NELL? You just jumped into this thread in the wrong place. You could have told mowingy where to connect his relay to his ignition switch, you know the wires in there. He would have thanked you, and you would have looked like such a smart and helpful guy. Instead, you're stumbling around trying to make yourself believe that you taught me all about "this circuit". Let's get you rebooted. Al's idea: *Radio power activates relay* Ok with it so far? So the $1000 question has to be, gee whiz, did I ever notice that *my* radio doesn't play when the key is turned to Off??? Well Duh! SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin > NELL: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Unless the key is turned to the Acc. position, isolation while parked is > so obvious, it's a given, NELL. It was to everyone but you. Otherwise, why would you have replied with; > The cranking relay won't isolate the two batteries while parked though. > The danger there is being stuck at camp with two dead batteries. > Yes, you were hoping to thoroughly confound me with "Can you think of a > way one might have an advantage over the other?" > Sorry, NELL. Don't be sorry, I'll still give you the chance to explain how Al's way would have an advantage over my way. > You want to be taken seriously, NELL? You just jumped into this thread > in the wrong place. It's not up too you to determine where I enter a thread you pompous Bozo. > You could have told mowingy where to connect his > relay to his ignition switch, you know the wires in there. Well, yeah, except that isn't what he asked for advice on. He asked whether the alternator could handle the extra load, then Al suggested an isolation relay with a rather left hand description of what it would do for mowingly, you then stuck your foot in your mouth claiming that the relay wouldn't isolate the two batteries when parked. =========== (exact quote from beryl) "The cranking relay won't isolate the two batteries while parked though. The danger there is being stuck at camp with two dead batteries." =========== Now you claim that was obvious all along. I agree, it was and still is obvious that you didn't have a clue. This is the most pathetic back pedal I've seen in quite some time. Drop it Sheryl, you aren't fooling anyone. Anyone can parse those two sentences and see that you stepped on your dick. > He would have > thanked you, and you would have looked like such a smart and helpful > guy. Instead, you're stumbling around trying to make yourself believe > that you taught me all about "this circuit". I don't need to stumble, you're doing enough of it to cover all the regulars here. > Let's get you rebooted. Translated; if I lie enough times, I can plausibly change my story. > Al's idea: > *Radio power activates relay* > Ok with it so far? I understood it from the very beginning. You must not have because you replied with; > The cranking relay won't isolate the two batteries while parked though. > The danger there is being stuck at camp with two dead batteries. > So the $1000 question has to be, gee whiz, did I ever notice that *my* > radio doesn't play when the key is turned to Off??? Well Duh! Why does *that* have to be the $1000 question? Why can't it be; why didn't Stumbling Sheryl recognize that the relay wired as Al described would provide isolation in a mode other than engine cranking? The $2000 question has to be; why did it take Stumbling Sheryl 4 days to get around to stating that it was obvious all along, instead of babbling on about "there is no circuit," and "now you're describing something entirely different?" And since she's -not- smarter than a fifth grader, let's let Stumbling Sheryl jump to the $10,000 question; why is she so desperate now after 4 days to seek redemption from her original gaff when she could have done it much, much earlier? > In article <1355dm0mmac4...@corp.supernews.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > I don't need to stumble, you're doing enough of it to cover all > the regulars here. Hang on there Neil, this clown is NOT a regular here. NELL: >> NELL: >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> Unless the key is turned to the Acc. position, isolation while >> parked is so obvious, it's a given, NELL. ... > The $2000 question has to be; why did it take Stumbling Sheryl 4 days > to get around to stating that it was obvious all along, You know what, NELL? This is real funny, and I mean *REAL* funny! I just went back to check the dates between my reply to AL and the time you asked about any advantage of one way over the other, and I found this... "The only time the two batteries are connected together is when the tow vehicle's engine is running via the now energized isolation relay," -and- "the only time they are tied together is when the engine is running and they are being charged." That was YOU, stupid a.s idiot! You wrote that 2 days after my reply to AL, then it was another day before you finally figured out that simply turning the key to Acc. would connect the batteries! > instead of babbling on about According to you, there is no circuit. > and "now You're still lying about that, NELL? I always maintained that there are many circuits, not just "this circuit." Since this is now the second time that you attribute "there is no circuit" to me, point it out. You need to either do it, or admit you're lying. I'll call you a deliberate liar at this point. Prove me wrong. > you're describing something entirely different?" And since she's > -not- smarter than a fifth grader, let's let Stumbling Sheryl jump to > the $10,000 question; why is she so desperate now after 4 days to > seek redemption from her original gaff when she could have done it > much, much earlier? Give it up, fool. We're going to talk about you not understanding that turning Al's key to Acc. would connect the batteries. I knew that May 17, when I answered him. But since I didn't say anything about it, it took you *three more days* to figure it out. Explain why. SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin > Give it up, fool. We're going to talk about you not understanding that > turning Al's key to Acc. would connect the batteries. > I knew that May 17, when I answered him. But since I didn't say anything > about it, it took you *three more days* to figure it out. Explain why. You're grasping Sheryl. This "three more days" bullshit is off by about 30+ years. There should be plenty of posts authored by me archived in Google regarding battery isolators where I recommend using a relay to isolate auxiliary batteries. I generally recommend a NAPA ST-85 relay because I know it's up to the task. The last time it came up was within the last year, the OP opted for a different part number relay because he didn't like the price of the ST-85. Google further, (like back 11 years) you'll find where I describe how to install an external voltage regulator on ChryCo vehicles to bypass a non functioning PCM style voltage regulator, saving having to replace an expensive PCM. I hate to be the bearer of bad news Sheryl, but I'm extremely good at automotive electrical. Your accusations are laughable at best. Matter of fact, considering that I spend most of my working hours repairing driveability problems, SCI/PCI/CCD buss problems, IM-240 emissions failures and the like, I'm surprised that I even involved myself in such a basic discussion to begin with. Sheryl, Sheryl, Sheryl... Sheri baby... Companies like Snap-On, Sun Electric, TTI, Envirotest Systems Inc., Identifix, Mac Tools, Bear, do NOT hire and recruit people like me unless they are certain about a persons qualifications. As for you calling people a "liar," that tactic is getting pretty old. Seems you trot it out whenever you're backed into a corner. let it be known from now on that any time Sheryl calls someone a lair, she's only trying to cover for her own inadequacies. It's obvious that your original reply to Al excluded the consideration that the relay isolated the batteries when the key was switched off. Why else would you state "The cranking relay won't isolate the two batteries while parked though. The danger there is being stuck at camp with two dead batteries." Those are YOUR words between the quotation marks, proof positive that you didn't have a clue. Then you tried to cover with the "CD music over dinner" bullshit,more proof that you didn't have a clue. Look sh.t stick, this very basic electrical. Even Snotard can understand it. Proof being, he hasn't said a word to support you because he knows I'm right, and it's no secret that he'd jump at any chance to contradict me. The one guy, they guy you rode in on your white horse to save hasn't said one word in your defense. You two have to be related. You share two characteristics; 1) You can't admit when you're in error. 2) You come in here pretending to be something you're not. Now show me how smart you are. Describe how Al's relay connected to an accessory feed has an advantage over my relay connected to an ignition feed. Or; post another red herring. Since you haven't done the one and have done plenty of the other, odds are you're going to look stupid either way. >> Give it up, fool. We're going to talk about you not understanding that >> turning Al's key to Acc. would connect the batteries. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > that I even involved myself in such a basic discussion to begin > with. Neil, I've read your informative posts for years at various groups and I gotta tell I was real surprised that you became involved with this pos. Please don't be influenced by this idiot, continue to post your helpful and informative information. Roy Sheryl, Sheryl, Sheryl... Sheri baby... Companies like > Snap-On, Sun Electric, TTI, Envirotest Systems Inc., Identifix, > Mac Tools, Bear, do NOT hire and recruit people like me unless [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > and have done plenty of the other, odds are you're going to look > stupid either way. > Neil, > I've read your informative posts for years at various groups and I gotta [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Roy No sweat Roy. It's rather interesting watching Sheryl twist and change her story. My sole goal was to see if she had the walk to match the talk. (doesn't) She comes in here with both guns blazing, then steps on her clitoris and looses any chance at credibility. But you're right, I'm wasting my time on a bush league amateur. NELL: >> Give it up, fool. We're going to talk about you not understanding >> that turning Al's key to Acc. would connect the batteries. I knew [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > This "three more days" bullshit is off by about 30+ years. You maybe had been taught 30 years ago, but you still don't know it without having reminders. It took days for you to realize your goof, after you'd already written "the only time they are tied together is when the engine is running and they are being charged." > I hate to be the bearer of bad news Sheryl, but I'm extremely good at > automotive electrical. Your accusations are laughable at Really, NELL. Laughable is your suggestion that whatever I didn't include in my reply to Al must have been unknown to me. Sorry, I already knew the radio won't play when the key is turned off. Everybody knows the radio doesn't work when the key is turned off. > best. Matter of fact, considering that I spend most of my working > hours repairing driveability problems, SCI/PCI/CCD buss problems, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > it be known from now on that any time Sheryl calls someone a lair, > she's only trying to cover for her own inadequacies. It's not a tactic, it's an accusation. And it's not getting old yet, NELL, you're only the second to be caught. You're in the punkin club now. > It's obvious that your original reply to Al excluded the > consideration that the relay isolated the batteries when the key was > switched off. Why else would you state "The cranking relay won't > isolate the two batteries while parked though. The danger there is > being stuck at camp with two dead batteries." I wouldn't normally restate the obvious to grownups, NELL, this shouldn't be a kindergarten group. Everybody knows the radio doesn't work when the key is turned off. > Those are YOUR words between the quotation marks, proof positive that > you didn't have a clue. Clues, NELL: Al says connect the relay to the radio. I say that won't isolate the batteries while parked. NELL says "The only time the two batteries are connected together is when the tow vehicle's engine is running via the now energized isolation relay," -and- "the only time they are tied together is when the engine is running and they are being charged." And it was all the same circuit to you, "this circuit", even though I'd been telling you that Al's was different than yours. What an idiot. SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin > > This "three more days" bullshit is off by about 30+ years. > > You maybe had been taught 30 years ago, but you still don't know it > without having reminders. It took days for you to realize your goof, You have yet to admit to yours. > after you'd already written "the only time they are tied together is > when the engine is running and they are being charged." You would have a point if it weren't for the fact that you're using that statement out of context. > > I hate to be the bearer of bad news Sheryl, but I'm extremely good at > > automotive electrical. Your accusations are laughable at [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > knew the radio won't play when the key is turned off. Everybody knows > the radio doesn't work when the key is turned off. Another red herring. You declared that "The cranking relay won't isolate the two batteries while parked though. The danger there is being stuck at camp with two dead batteries." Nice try, you lie. Radio won't play with the key off is one thing, "The cranking relay won't isolate the two batteries while parked though. The danger there is being stuck at camp with two dead batteries" is another thing. The more you claim such nonsense, the stupider you look. > > best. Matter of fact, considering that I spend most of my working > > hours repairing driveability problems, SCI/PCI/CCD buss problems, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > It's not a tactic, it's an accusation. So? When I called you "thick skulled" (an observation) you claimed I was name calling. So, your weak tactics which you claim are "accusations" are somehow valid but anyone else's observations about you are foul play. You're a weak tit. > And it's not getting old yet, NELL, you're only the second to be caught. > You're in the punkin club now. "The cranking relay won't isolate the two batteries while parked though. The danger there is being stuck at camp with two dead batteries." Who's caught bozo? > > It's obvious that your original reply to Al excluded the > > consideration that the relay isolated the batteries when the key was [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > shouldn't be a kindergarten group. Everybody knows the radio doesn't > work when the key is turned off. Then why on earth would you state; "The cranking relay won't isolate the two batteries while parked though. The danger there is being stuck at camp with two dead batteries." This isn't 'at home with mommy and daddy' Sheryl, repeating the lie over and over won't make it true, no matter how much you wish it to. > > Those are YOUR words between the quotation marks, proof positive that > > you didn't have a clue. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I say that won't isolate the batteries while parked. It won't if you're stupid enough to sit there with the key in the accessory position. but then, that's not my definition of "parked." I'm sure if Big Al had realized that you are as stupid as you've now proven to be, he would have gladly issued a warning/disclaimer with his post, which all reinforces the one thing you have managed to get right, "this shouldn't be a kindergarten group." > NELL says > "The only time the two batteries are connected [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > And it was all the same circuit to you, "this circuit", even though I'd > been telling you that Al's was different than yours. What an idiot. Indeed, only an idiot would declare; "The cranking relay won't isolate the two batteries while parked though. The danger there is being stuck at camp with two dead batteries," sez Sheryl. Okay, how does one cause such an occurrence to happen? Well, if you leave the radio playing, both batteries will go dead, sez Sheryl. Yup, if you wire it the way Big Al describes, the batteries will go dead. Then again, even with no trailer, no isolation relay, no campground at Brokeback Mountain... If you leave the radio playing, the battery goes dead anyway ya moron. You're out in the wilderness, don't waste the battery! DUH! You know, as the self appointed "counter punk." you're a bit of a disappointment. You're just a two bit, weaseling liar who can't admit when she's goofed. You HAVE to be a relative of Snofraud. NELL: >>> This "three more days" bullshit is off by about 30+ years. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You have yet to admit to yours. Okay, NELL. Here goes: My mistake was in not seeing an ambush coming, I gave Al too hasty a reply. You read Al's post, you read my post, you had all the time you wanted to prepare. >> after you'd already written "the only time they are tied together >> is when the engine is running and they are being charged." > > You would have a point if it weren't for the fact that you're using > that statement out of context. I'll put your statement where it fits chronologically. Big Al, 5/16 "You need to isolate the trailer battery while the truck is cranking... You can use a relay connected to the radio feed" Beryl, 5/17 "The cranking relay won't isolate the two batteries while parked though." NELL, 5/19 "Apparently you don't understand the function of the relay in this circuit or how it works." "the only time they are tied together is when the engine is running and they are being charged." I can hardly begin to sort out your 'contexts' and put them in readable form here, NELL, they're a mess. But you were still thinking "this circuit". As you wrote, "the function of the relay in this circuit". It wasn't until after I said Al's CD entertainment will allow the trailer lights to drain the truck battery that you decided "I would not wire it as Big Al suggested, not because his way wouldn't work but because his way leaves an error mode that the customer may not realize resulting in a drained vehicle battery." Sort of late for you to come up with that, NELL. > Nice try, you lie. Radio won't play with the key off is one thing, > "The cranking relay won't isolate the two batteries while parked > though. The danger there is being stuck at camp with two dead > batteries" is another thing. My thing was leaving out details until asked for them, which indicates that I didn't provide details until asked. Your thing? Yours was providing *wrong* details, NELL, and mixing them up at the wrong times, without being asked. You messed up. >>> As for you calling people a "liar," that tactic is getting pretty >>> old. Seems you trot it out whenever you're backed into a corner. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > So? So if you could back it up, you would have eagerly done it already! And I've urged you to. You won't, can't, lied, that's the end of that. >> And it's not getting old yet, NELL, you're only the second to be >> caught. You're in the punkin club now. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Who's caught bozo? I have. > Then why on earth would you state; "The cranking relay won't isolate > the two batteries while parked though. The relay is Al's relay. Parked, at camp, music playing, it won't. > It won't if you're stupid enough to sit there with the key in the > accessory position. but then, that's not my definition of "parked." Oh, your definition? CD music over dinner at the campsite, that's "parked", NELL! You just called Al, and anybody that uses his circuit, stupid if they do that. Well, except that they aren't, because it's not your definition of "parked." Pretty clumsy thing to say there, NELL. Try again without redefining words. > I'm sure if Big Al had realized that you are as stupid as you've now > proven to be, he would have gladly issued a warning/disclaimer with > his post, So now you're switching positions, and endorsing Al's relay connection with the added warning. Interesting. > Indeed, only an idiot would declare; "the only time they are tied together is when the engine is running and they are being charged." > Okay, how does one cause such an occurrence to happen? Sheer stupidity, NELL, nothing else. You made the declaration before deciding not to wire the relay Al's way. > If you leave the radio playing, the battery goes dead anyway ya > moron. The moron is you, NELL, not even remembering that the trailer lights are also draining the truck battery! Gee whiz, what do you think the relay is for??? It might be time to change my sig. Maybe stick a tinyURL link to this thread at the end, below your name. SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin >NELL: ok beryl, i'll try this one time. you wonder why everyone here thinks you are a pos, well read your own replies. you are. you don't have to be, you just chose to be. you came in here to make a point. while that point may be somewhat elusive to me, it would appear that you believe that you made your point. if you really believe that you did, it really shouldn't matter to you that no one (except your other personality steve b) thinks that you did. so maybe it is time to tone your asinine behavior down and be a regular type of person. your choice. i mean......if you enjoy being a flaming a.shole, you certainly can chose to continue and i for one will continue to have fun with you while you make an assclown out of yourself. if you want to actually join the discussions, you might actually find that you enjoy some of the folks here. you are pushing so hard trying to make some inane point however, that at this point you have become bizarre. you have become a freak show. you both amaze and embarrass everyone that reads your pathetic sh.t. now in reality, i doubt that this pathetic sh.t is really you. you are just pushing at something that you probably can't even remember. oh, if you really are here just to save snoman, then don't change because that f.cking idiot will not be met with anything other than what he has earned and deserves. >>>> This "three more days" bullshit is off by about 30+ years. >>> [quoted text clipped - 115 lines] >It might be time to change my sig. Maybe stick a tinyURL link to >this thread at the end, below your name. > > You have yet to admit to yours. > > Okay, NELL. Here goes: My mistake was in not seeing an ambush coming, Bull sh.t! >I gave Al too hasty a reply. Yes you did. > You read Al's post, you read my post, you had > all the time you wanted to prepare. Oh for Christ's sake! Was I supposed to be up at 2 o'clock in the morning waiting for your reply to Big Al? You can't be serious. What the f.ck kind of numb skull are you? I posted a reply to you the next morning at 8:16 am, a Saturday. Ever sleep a little late on a Saturday Sheryl, or do you have to get up bright and early to breast feed? You've had a few days now Sheryl and you *still* haven't offered up the one situation where Big Al's method of wiring the relay primary to an accessory feed offers an advantage to my way of wiring the relay primary to an ignition feed. > >> after you'd already written "the only time they are tied together > >> is when the engine is running and they are being charged." [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I'll put your statement where it fits chronologically. Why chronologically, why not in context? > Big Al, 5/16 > "You need to isolate the trailer battery while the truck is cranking... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I can hardly begin to sort out your 'contexts' and put them in readable > form here, NELL, they're a mess. No one else is complaining, then again, you've demonstrated numerous times that you have trouble following along. > But you were still thinking "this > circuit". As you wrote, "the function of the relay in this circuit". Yes dip sh.t, the FUNCTION of the relay in this circuit. The function is not solely to separate the batteries when cranking. Get it? > It wasn't until after I said Al's CD entertainment will allow the > trailer lights to drain the truck battery that you decided > "I would not wire it as Big Al suggested, not because his way wouldn't > work but because his way leaves an error mode that the customer may not > realize resulting in a drained vehicle battery." > Sort of late for you to come up with that, NELL. You think I decided that right then and there huh? Is it possible Sheryl, that humans populated the Earth before you came out of the closet? Or did all human thought start with you as some sort of benchmark? > > Nice try, you lie. Radio won't play with the key off is one thing, > > "The cranking relay won't isolate the two batteries while parked [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > My thing was leaving out details until asked for them, which indicates > that I didn't provide details until asked. Yeah, too bad those "details" weren't included in your original s reply to me, which can only mean that they didn't exist until you thought them up in another demonstration of the back pedaling, breast feeding, mud slinging, lying Sheryl. > Your thing? Yours was providing *wrong* details, I didn't provide any wrong details Sheryl, hell, I even gave the pin outs of the ignition switch for the truck in question. The fact that YOU chose to dismiss it in your antagonistic style is again, NOT MY FAULT. > NELL, and mixing them > up at the wrong times, without being asked. You messed up. I didn't mess up. You messed up by not thinking the solution all the way through. You also messed up by claiming that if someone had wanted to listen to music while the truck and trailer were connected, both batteries would be drained. there are a number of different scenarios where this wouldn't happen, like; a) Disconnect the trailer connection if you're worried about the trailer battery. b) Listen to the music on a portable CD player. c) Let the body computer keep the radio-CD player alive, which can be done on most ChryCo (and other) vehicles even if the ignition key is in your pocket. d) make sure it's wired the way I would and have done it so that the relay isn't powered when the ignition switch is in the accessory position. e) Don't play the f.cking car radio, you need to be able to depend on the truck battery when the Lions and Tigers come looking to eat your sissy a.s. > So if you could back it up, you would have eagerly done it already! And > I've urged you to. You won't, can't, lied, that's the end of that. Yeah, right fudge packer. Anyone who backs up around you is a fool. > >> And it's not getting old yet, NELL, you're only the second to be > >> caught. You're in the punkin club now. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I have been. Now we're getting somewhere. > > Then why on earth would you state; "The cranking relay won't isolate > > the two batteries while parked though. > > The relay is Al's relay. Parked, at camp, music playing, it won't. Depends on where the music is being played from. If a dumb sh.t mechanic like me can manage to have acquired the second CD player to ever enter the United States, surely a stable hand such as yourself can afford a $19 CD player at Walmart and a couple of "D" cells. Naturally, if you're too stupid to realize that running your vehicle battery dead in the wilderness is a dumb thing to do, again, it's NOT MY FAULT. > > It won't if you're stupid enough to sit there with the key in the > > accessory position. but then, that's not my definition of "parked." > > > Oh, your definition? Yeah, my definition. > CD music over dinner at the campsite, that's "parked", NELL! So, if I go to a parking lot, all I'm going to see is people listening to music over dinner? Or might I more likely find vehicles with no one in them, secured, locked up, no lights, radio, wipers or heater running? Is this why the airport offers free booster service, because instead of leaving their cars, all these people are really not getting on planes going to conduct business or on vacation, they're really all just sitting in their cars listening to music and eating dinner? Wouldn't they have been more comfortable at home? > You just > called Al, and anybody that uses his circuit, stupid if they do that. Yes, I certainly did. Now, I'll just sit back and watch to see if any of them go ape sh.t like you have because I dared to challenge their fragile sensibilities. > Well, except that they aren't, because it's not your definition of > "parked." Pretty clumsy thing to say there, NELL. Try again without > redefining words. This is only a problem if they're like you and can't pour piss out of a boot even with instructions printed on the heel. > > I'm sure if Big Al had realized that you are as stupid as you've now > > proven to be, he would have gladly issued a warning/disclaimer with > > his post, > > So now you're switching positions, and endorsing Al's relay connection > with the added warning. Interesting. I'm not "endorsing" anything. I'm mocking you you ignorant ditz. I've asked you a number of times if you can figure out how his way has an advantage over mine. That's not an endorsement either, it's just weighing the pros and cons. None the less, you STILL haven't answered which means you haven't figured it out and if you really did understand the intent and purpose of this isolation relay, it should be readily apparent. > > Indeed, only an idiot would declare; > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > also draining the truck battery! Gee whiz, what do you think the relay > is for??? Do you get a deduction on your taxes for being retarded? Where in the above did I mention a trailer or trailer lights? (this bears a striking resemblance to Sheryl's reply to Larry about his tire blow out IOWs, a major failure to comprehend the most basic simplest sh.t) Think a little here Sheryl, a radio WILL drain a battery all by itself without the help of a trailer, without a trailer connected, without a trailer within 100 miles of the vehicle, without the vehicle owner having access or even knowing someone who owns a trailer. You miss the simplest sh.t, probably because you're so upset with yourself for stepping on your clitoris to begin with, probably because your diversions, red herrings and strawman arguments aren't working, probably because you're breast feeding, probably because you feel inferior, probably because you have low self esteem, probably because you sleep in a barn, probably because you can't afford $19 for little itty bitty boom box, probably because you shovel sh.t for farm hand wages, probably because uneducated illegals are in line for your job, probably because you keep hitting your head against the wall but you're still not getting any smarter. > It might be time to change my sig. Maybe stick a tinyURL link to > this thread at the end, below your name. As I've said before, you've already proven here what a stupid simpleton you are. If you feel that more people need to know, then by all means. NELL: > NELL: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Bull sh.t! Really, NELL. SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin CROTCH CANNIBAL polesmoker@gaybar drooled in message news:135eq6282h72c95@corp.supernews.com... > NELL: >> NELL: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Really, NELL. Nothing but troll. NELL: >>We can argue if you like, Neil, but I might end up naming you Nell. Then >>you'd get upset. > > Is that what you want Beryl? NELL, I want you to pick up where Skippy bailed out. I simply copy/pasted it, you'll have to mentally substitute NELL wherever you see the name Skippy. --------------------------- My first answer to Big Al wasn't "profound" enough for you. Why don't you elaborate on it a bit? You probably, no, *definitely*, should comment on my assertion that connecting a 12V car battery to a 12V motorcycle might not be a good idea. Do you agree, or disagree, or have any thoughts at all? Tell us! How about the parallel battery setup that I called a poor design, Dodge does that don't they? I haven't seen Dodge's dual battery setup personally, but I'm pretty sure it's been mentioned here. And I don't recall ever seeing any negative comments about it. If it's as I think it is, then I just called it LOUSY, and nobody wants to comment? What do you think about it, Skippy? --------------------------- SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin > NELL: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > connecting a 12V car battery to a 12V motorcycle might not be a good > idea. Do you agree, or disagree, or have any thoughts at all? Tell us! I routinely use a 12 volt motorcycle battery as a back up power supply when replacing batteries on vehicles where there is a risk of locking out a radio, erasing seat/mirror/steering column/radio memory settings, on Mercedes-Benz vehicles which have a chronic pattern failure where the front and rear body computers (SAMS) will not re-boot after a power down. I've been using the same motorcycle battery for quite a few years with no ill effect to the motorcycle battery, *any* vehicle battery, *any* charging system. Most trailer break away devices are nothing more than a wet cell motorcycle battery which is connected in parallel to the tow vehicles 12 volt supply system. Draw your own conclusions. > How about the parallel battery setup that I called a poor design, Dodge > does that don't they? It's the standard set up on their diesel engined (Ram) trucks. > I haven't seen Dodge's dual battery setup > personally, but I'm pretty sure it's been mentioned here. And I don't > recall ever seeing any negative comments about it. If it's as I think it > is, then I just called it LOUSY, and nobody wants to comment? What do > you think about it, Skippy? Well bberryll, I think (actually, I know) that GM, Ford and a host of other manufacturers use that exact same parallel battery set up on many of their diesel engined products, and have for quite a few years. Every Hybrid vehicle I've been trained on so far uses multiple battery cell packs connected in parallel. I'm not quite sure what you're getting at, but if you know of a better way to supply the necessary amperage needed to start a diesel engine, if you know of a better way to supply the needed starting *and* pre-heater/glow plug amperage demands in a better fashion, do tell us, won't you? As it stands now, two batteries in parallel is the most cost effective method to achieve the needed energy density. I anxiously await your self aggrandized reply... >>NELL: >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >>My first answer to Big Al wasn't "profound" enough for you. Why don't >>you elaborate on it a bit? No answer. ZERO. >>You probably, no, *definitely*, should comment on my assertion that >>connecting a 12V car battery to a 12V motorcycle might not be a good [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > vehicles 12 volt supply system. > Draw your own conclusions. You scored a ZERO on that one too, NELL. Read the question again. >>How about the parallel battery setup that I called a poor design, Dodge >>does that don't they? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > starting *and* pre-heater/glow plug amperage demands in a better > fashion, do tell us, won't you? How about two 6 volt batteries in series, rather than two 12 volt batteries in parallel, NELL? That way Dodge, GM, Ford, and a host of manufacturers can deliver the needed ampacity without the parallel design problem. > As it stands now, two batteries in parallel is the most cost > effective method to achieve the needed energy density. > > I anxiously await your self aggrandized reply... Not so good, NELL. I'll say you answered the last one okay, so your score is 33%. That's an F- SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin > How about two 6 volt batteries in series, rather than two 12 volt > batteries in parallel, NELL? That way Dodge, GM, Ford, and a host of > manufacturers can deliver the needed ampacity without the parallel > design problem. How about you explain this so called parallel battery problem?? Signature____________________________________________ Chris 05 CTD 06 Liberty CRD >>How about two 6 volt batteries in series, rather than two 12 volt >>batteries in parallel, NELL? That way Dodge, GM, Ford, and a host of >>manufacturers can deliver the needed ampacity without the parallel >>design problem. > > How about you explain this so called parallel battery problem?? They're electrically connected, but chemically separated. Voltage across like terminals will equalize, it has to, with the same +12 volts at every + terminal, or same -12V at every - terminal, whichever way you want to look at it. A failing battery, one that won't hold its charge, will continually drain power from a healthier battery as the 12V present at its terminal tries to recharge the failing chemistry inside. No problem if all batteries are equally healthy... or equally unhealthy. The greater the mismatch, the quicker the weaker ones take the others down with them. However many there are, doesn't have to be two, they'll all eventually end up at the level of the weakest one out of the bunch. (Better wait for NELL's opinion) SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin > >>How about two 6 volt batteries in series, rather than two 12 volt > >>batteries in parallel, NELL? That way Dodge, GM, Ford, and a host of [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > (Better wait for NELL's opinion) It is my opinion that we are witnessing the return of Altovoz. > How about two 6 volt batteries in series, rather than two 12 volt > batteries in parallel, NELL? That way Dodge, GM, Ford, and a host of > manufacturers can deliver the needed ampacity without the parallel > design problem. Why not just use cold fusion? > Not so good, NELL. I'll say you answered the last one okay, > so your score is 33%. > That's an F- Good thing it's just you doing the grading. NELL: >>How about two 6 volt batteries in series, rather than two 12 volt >>batteries in parallel, NELL? That way Dodge, GM, Ford, and a host of >>manufacturers can deliver the needed ampacity without the parallel >>design problem. > > Why not just use cold fusion? Golf Cart batteries, NELL. >>Not so good, NELL. I'll say you answered the last one okay, >>so your score is 33%. >>That's an F- > > Good thing it's just you doing the grading. That's right, NELL. I was being generous giving you full credit on the last one. SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin > > Why not just use cold fusion? > > Golf Cart batteries, NELL. WOW, and to think that Detroit has been doing it wrong all these years. You should patent your idea as quickly as possible. This discovery of yours is going to rock the world. NELL: >>>Why not just use cold fusion? >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > This discovery of yours is going to rock the world. Wish I could claim credit, NELL, but I read it in an RV magazine decades ago. Kind of funny that it's still news to you. SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin > > WOW, and to think that Detroit has been doing it wrong all these > > years. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Wish I could claim credit, NELL, but I read it in an RV magazine decades > ago. Kind of funny that it's still news to you. Yup. The notion that more electrical power can be gotten from two 6 volt batteries compared to two 12 volt batteries -is- news to me. Let me ask you something; If one cell in your two 6 volt in series battery invention goes open circuit, will the vehicle 4 way flashers work? NELL: >>> WOW, and to think that Detroit has been doing it wrong all these >>> years. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Yup. The notion that more electrical power can be gotten from two 6 > volt batteries compared to two 12 volt batteries -is- news to me. Whoa! Hold on, NELL, did anybody say anything about more electrical power? There isn't more, NELL, why did you think so? There are still twelve cells, still the same size, same volts, same amps, same power. But now each "cell" is blissfully and chemically together with itself as one, in the same case, instead of being divided into pieces. Now not only the electrons, but also the +ions, can be happy. :) > Let me ask you something; > > If one cell in your two 6 volt in series battery invention goes open > circuit, will the vehicle 4 way flashers work? Without clever design, no way! And they're of great importance with a disabled vehicle. So let me ask you, can you imagine a solution? It's clear, NELL, you never learned a whole lot about electricity. This conversation about simple batteries tells me that. SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin > > Yup. The notion that more electrical power can be gotten from two 6 > > volt batteries compared to two 12 volt batteries -is- news to me. > > Whoa! Hold on, NELL, did anybody say anything about more electrical > power? There isn't more, NELL, why did you think so? Because In article <1355e3919srlgf2@corp.supernews.com>, "How about two 6 volt batteries in series, rather than two 12 volt batteries in parallel, NELL? That way Dodge, GM, Ford, and a host of manufacturers can deliver the needed ampacity without the parallel design problem. Golf Cart batteries, NELL." I know you're going to claim that means something entirely different than what it says, but last time I checked, volts X amps equals watts and watts is the standard measure of electrical power. > There are still twelve cells, still the same size, same volts, same > amps, same power. But now each "cell" is blissfully and chemically > together with itself as one, in the same case, instead of being divided > into pieces. Now not only the electrons, but also the +ions, can be > happy. :) Chemically together? + ions? All your two 6 volt batteries in series equals is a 12 volt battery. I'm no golf cart expert but every 6 volt golf cart battery I've been able to view consists of 3 wet cells in individual compartments. So where this "chemically together" crap comes from in an individual battery much less two connected by a cable is anyones guess. Not surprising being it comes from someone who's best description of a wire gauge is "heavy." > > Let me ask you something; > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Without clever design, no way! And they're of great importance with a > disabled vehicle. So let me ask you, can you imagine a solution? I don't need to imagine a solution. As for clever design, what's this now, adding another red herring to the fray? Your original claim said two 6 volt golf cart batteries in series beats two 12 volt batteries in parallel, now it needs clever design. What next, it will all work as long as you carry a case of road flares? Going to rub some nylon on a piece of amber? > It's clear, NELL, you never learned a whole lot about electricity. This > conversation about simple batteries tells me that. Says the guy who learned his electronics a few decades ago from an RV magazine. You're a moron, you've proven it beyond a shadow of a doubt. NELL: >>> Yup. The notion that more electrical power can be gotten from >>> two 6 volt batteries compared to two 12 volt batteries -is- news [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Golf Cart batteries, NELL." I never said "more electrical power" came from the series connection. You asked about "a better way to supply the necessary amperage needed", NELL, "more electrical power" wasn't what we were talking about. > I know you're going to claim that means something entirely different > than what it says, It means what it says, NELL. Put two 6V batteries end to end, + to -, and that's a 12v battery, NELL. Put two 12V batteries side by side, + to + and - to -, and that's also a 12V battery. The difference? End to end is terminated at each end! It's an open circuit. But side by side is a loop, NELL, current can flow. When the two aren't perfectly matched, and they aren't, some current *will* flow. That's why the stronger battery becomes a charger for the weaker battery, and it goes on, and on, and on... But with any luck, it's a tiny trickle charge that you'll never notice. Are you starting to get it now, NELL? You don't know anything about parallel and series battery connections, and you're allegedly some electrical expert. This is amazing. > but last time I checked, volts X amps equals watts and watts is the > standard measure of electrical power. No kidding! Why are you checking irrelevant stuff, NELL? >> There are still twelve cells, still the same size, same volts, same >> amps, same power. But now each "cell" is blissfully and chemically [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Chemically together? + ions? Never heard of them? I guess Huckleberry's Car Skool didn't start you out with "Theory of Electricity" or anything like that, you just went straight to tools and how to read flowcharts. > All your two 6 volt batteries in series equals is a 12 volt battery. No kidding! > I'm no golf cart expert but every 6 volt golf cart battery I've been > able to view consists of 3 wet cells in individual compartments. That's the point. Each 2V cell occupies one big compartment. With 12v in parallel, each 2V "cell" is two little compartments. > So where this "chemically together" crap comes from in an individual > battery much less two connected by a cable is anyones guess. I told you, and I just retold you. Will you ever stop guessing? > Not surprising being it comes from someone who's best description of > a wire gauge is "heavy." Nobody's going to touch wire gauge, NELL. It's just asking for ridicule for looking it up. >>> Let me ask you something; >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I don't need to imagine a solution. As for clever design, what's this > now, adding another red herring to the fray? So you expect the 4 way flasher circuit to work without being designed to? > Your original claim said two 6 volt golf cart batteries in series > beats two 12 volt batteries in parallel, now it needs clever design. You asked about 4 way flashers, NELL! Remember? We're not redesigning for the batteries! > What next, it will all work as long as you carry a case of road > flares? Going to rub some nylon on a piece of amber? Silliness won't conceal your lack of knowledge, NELL. >> It's clear, NELL, you never learned a whole lot about electricity. >> This conversation about simple batteries tells me that. > > Says the guy who learned his electronics a few decades ago from an RV > magazine. I learn from wherever I can. I've had a couple Electrical/Electronics instructors who also learned a few things from me. I had one instructor who refused to tolerate a student speaking up when he gave the class wrong information, so I left. > You're a moron, you've proven it beyond a shadow of a doubt. Says the Car Electric Wiz. SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin > You don't know anything about parallel and series battery connections, > and you're allegedly some electrical expert. This is amazing. Sheryl, the fact that I dismiss your idiotic ideas as worthless is not proof or even a valid indication that I don't know anything about parallel and series battery connections. Your finger paintings were amusing little girl, but that's about all. NELL: >> NELL: >>> [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > it stands now, two batteries in parallel is the most cost effective > method to achieve the needed energy density. Time to retake the quiz, NELL, you've had a couple of days to study what you missed. At least make an effort on the first question, NELL. Skipping it just gives you an automatic zero. The second question is about a car battery connected to a motorcycle. Okay? Not the other way around, NELL, *not* a motorcycle battery connected to a car. I don't know what threw you off there, it should have been pretty clear. Since I already finished the third question for you, I'll have to change it a little bit. Explain why batteries in series won't have the discharge problem that parallel batteries can have. SignatureTThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin > Time to retake the quiz, NELL, you've had a couple of days to study what > you missed. I don't think so bimbo. You asked for my thoughts, I gave them. No matter how staunch of a democrat you are, it's still not my fault if you can't comprehend your own question. > At least make an effort on the first question, NELL. Skipping it just > gives you an automatic zero. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > connected to a car. > I don't know what threw you off there, it should have been pretty clear. Nothing threw me off sweetie, I've never had the occasion to connect a car battery to a motorcycle. Unlike your hero Snofart, I can't speak of that which I've never done. Thanks to my fine mechanical skills, all of the motorcycles I've owned never gave me cause to consider connecting one of them to a car battery. > Since I already finished the third question for you, I'll have to change > it a little bit. Explain why batteries in series won't have the > discharge problem that parallel batteries can have. What discharge problem is that? Nine years+ on the OEM batteries in my 97 CTD doesn't support your assertion. There is no perfect, there is no fool proof, stop looking for it. It's boring and it makes you look like a neurotic. If you really need to know about batteries in parallel and discharge, try the library. if you're having *other* types of discharge problem, try a gynecologist. If your compulsion regarding batteries in parallel is *that* overwhelming, try asking Snoclod how many batteries he uses in his plow trucks, what voltage they are and whether they're connected in series or parallel. For bonus points, ask him if and how they're isolated. When you're done, wiggle your fat a.s back into your cubicle and do the work that my welfare to work tax dollars are paying you to do. NELL: >> Time to retake the quiz, NELL, you've had a couple of days to study >> what you missed. > > I don't think so bimbo. You asked for my thoughts, I gave them. OK, buddy! I didn't realize that was already your best effort. > No matter how staunch of a democrat you are, it's still not my fault > if you can't comprehend your own question. I finished your answer to the parallel battery question for you, NELL. So it changed to series, so what? You should have had a huge clue now. >> At least make an effort on the first question, NELL. Skipping it >> just gives you an automatic zero. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Nothing threw me off sweetie, I've never had the occasion to connect > a car battery to a motorcycle. The problem was, you couldn't grok the simple question. You blathered about the wrong thing, NELL! Now, like most dolts, you're left stymied by something a little different. > Unlike your hero Snofart, I can't speak of that which I've never > done. This is plain vanilla DC electricity, NELL. The 2nd answer /is/ non-obvious, but add a little insight to what you (should) know, and a skilled Car Electric Wiz like you ought to be capable of solving problems like this. Or at least making semi-plausible guesses. But you probably only measure things, right? The troubleshooting flowchart solves the problem from there. > Thanks to my fine mechanical skills, all of the motorcycles I've > owned never gave me cause to consider connecting one of them to a car > battery. You never had a dead motorcycle battery because of your fine mechanical skills, riiight. But if you do, I'm sure that a fine Car Electric Wiz like you will *really* charge that battery, NELL, you must be the best! >> Since I already finished the third question for you, I'll have to >> change it a little bit. Explain why batteries in series won't have >> the discharge problem that parallel batteries can have. > > What discharge problem is that? Nine years+ on the OEM batteries in > my 97 CTD doesn't support your assertion. Only your observation of a pretty incredible pair of batteries, NELL. The parallel battery issue is about what could, might, sometimes will, etc. > There is no perfect, there is no fool proof, stop looking for it. > It's boring and it makes you look like a neurotic. Wowee, NELL, that's quite a philosophy. You are definitely *not* the Car Electric Wiz I would choose to do any work for me. > If you really need to know about batteries in parallel and discharge, > try the library. I'm sure not hounding you because I want to know anything about batteries! > if you're having *other* types of discharge problem, try a > gynecologist. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > series or parallel. For bonus points, ask him if and how they're > isolated. Who cares, NELL? You are Car Electric Wiz, we should be hearing some pretty incredible answers from *you*. > When you're done, wiggle your fat a.s back into your cubicle and do > the work that my welfare to work tax dollars are paying you to do. Thanks, NELL! No cubicle, a loft. Hazy sky today, visibility is only about 10 miles. SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin > I'm sure not hounding you because I want to know anything about batteries! Which only leaves an insane desire to prove that you're better than me. I'm flattered. > > if you're having *other* types of discharge problem, try a > > gynecologist. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Who cares, NELL? That settles that then... (I sure as hell don't, and I sure as hell don't need your approval) punkinbread: >>Good morning, >> Just purchased a small used popup camper to pull behind my 02 Dakota V6. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the high output (HD) alt as it would only serve you well to prevent > any possible issues down the road. But mowingy already knows about the HD alternator, he doesn't have it, and it's kind of late to "opt" for it now. So what's your advice? Do you recommend that he go ahead and replace his? SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin > punkinbread: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > and it's kind of late to "opt" for it now. So what's your advice? Do you > recommend that he go ahead and replace his? Man you are really stupid. Yes that is my recommendation but I bet you already knew that you just want to the cocksucking a.s licking hermorphodite (sp) that you are. > -- > This explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy > made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go > with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin punkin: >>punkinbread: >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Man you are really stupid. Yes that is my recommendation but I bet Based on what information? You just wasted the customer's money, punkin, nice work. You are the auto technician that we all strive to avoid. > you already knew that you just want to the cocksucking a.s licking > hermorphodite (sp) that you are. Puhleeze, punkin, no borrowing of jokes is permitted. Crag says so. SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin |
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