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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / May 2007Liberty CRD Advice
Chris (or anyone that would like to chime in), My significant other bought a used Liberty last night. 2006 Liberty Limited, 4x4, CRD (2.8 I4). It has 25000 miles on it. Since my truck is ready for the oil, diff, tranny and transfer case fluid changes, I figured I would take care of her Liberty at the same time. I have not had a chance to peek at the manual yet, but I thought I would see if you had any advice or recommendations. For example, the gaskets/seals on the diffs and tranny of my Dodge are the reusable kind. Is the Liberty setup the same way? How about the fuel filter? Easy to change? I'm sure it has never been changed ... The oil in it is 10w-30, which maybe correct, but I was under the impression that 5w-40 or 15w-40 was the oil to use in ALL diesels. TIA, Craig C. > The oil in it is 10w-30, which maybe correct, but I was under the > impression that 5w-40 or 15w-40 was the oil to use in ALL diesels. > > TIA, > Craig C Careful with "all" and "never." Some Diesels do not use 15W-40. The old GM 6.2 was one. Use what the manufacturer recommends. Al > Careful with "all" and "never." Some Diesels do not use 15W-40. Thanks for the advice, Al. Of course, I will read the manual before doing any fluid changes. I was really interested more in the tranny and diffs. I just thought it was odd for a diesel to have 10w-30 in it. >The old GM > 6.2 was one. Use what the manufacturer recommends. Was that a "real" diesel or one of GM's failed attempts at converting a gasser? Craig C. > Chris (or anyone that would like to chime in), > > My significant other bought a used Liberty last night. 2006 Liberty > Limited, 4x4, CRD (2.8 I4). It has 25000 miles on it. as does mine..I'll give you a warning though, 5,000 and its time for a fuel filter. those aren't cheap! $50 (give or take) is what our local dealer wants for them and last i checked, aftermarket parts houses hadn't picked them up yet. OUCH!!!!! > Since my truck is ready for the oil, diff, tranny and transfer case > fluid changes, I figured I would take care of her Liberty at the same > time. haven't done mine yet, but its a 545rfe trans so it should be the same gasket, transfer case should be a drain plug and I'd suspect the rear diff to use RTV like most of the other Chrysler axles i've worked on. > I have not had a chance to peek at the manual yet, but I thought I would > see if you had any advice or recommendations. nor have i on diff/axle/transfer case interval recommendations i was going to go with the standard 30K interval myself. > For example, the gaskets/seals on the diffs and tranny of my Dodge are > the reusable kind. Is the Liberty setup the same way? How about the > fuel filter? Easy to change? I'm sure it has never been changed ... the fuel filter is a screw on canister, has a water in fuel sensor that screws into the bottom. not easiest to get to but i've done much worse. its really cramped under that hood. you'll find your fuel filter next to the brake booster. just remember what i said about the price SHEESH! > The oil in it is 10w-30, which maybe correct, but I was under the > impression that 5w-40 or 15w-40 was the oil to use in ALL diesels. i run rotella 15w40 in mine. buy it the same time as i do the stuff for the big truck. > TIA, > Craig C. congratulations on the liberty dude. its a fun little truck with a surprising amount of power. i used it to move my farm tractor one time it done better than i expected as far as getting the tractor moving. but that being i think the heaviest thing I'm going to stick behind it again is the boat.  Signature____________________________________________ Chris 05 CTD 06 Liberty CRD >> Chris (or anyone that would like to chime in), >> [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > being i think the heaviest thing I'm going to stick behind it again is the > boat. Hey! I wonder if I can buy one in FL. Remember last year I was looking at them in MA and the diesel wasn't compliant? Well time will have changed big time by this time next year. >>> Chris (or anyone that would like to chime in), >>> [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > them in MA and the diesel wasn't compliant? Well time will have changed big > time by this time next year. I'm sure you can. Signature____________________________________________ Chris 05 CTD 06 Liberty CRD >>>> Chris (or anyone that would like to chime in), >>>> [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > I'm sure you can. I know you can buy a wider selection of handguns here. I'm slling all my MA compliant guns when i get back. All but the sig 239. I like it tooo much. Roy > ____________________________________________ > Chris > 05 CTD > 06 Liberty CRD > fuel filter. those aren't cheap! $50 (give or take) is what our local > dealer wants for them and last i checked, aftermarket parts houses hadn't > picked them up yet. > > OUCH!!!!! Very OUCH! I just called the Jeep dealer. $36.85. WIX shows that they make it (part # 33647), but none of the auto-part stores carry it. > haven't done mine yet, but its a 545rfe trans so it should be the same > gasket, transfer case should be a drain plug and I'd suspect the rear diff > to use RTV like most of the other Chrysler axles i've worked on. Parts guy said silicone on the diffs. Damn it! Those reusable gaskets are great. > nor have i on diff/axle/transfer case interval recommendations i was going > to go with the standard 30K interval myself. Normally I would as well, but being used I'm a bit freaked out about waiting any longer. > i run rotella 15w40 in mine. buy it the same time as i do the stuff for > the big truck. I think I am just going to use the same oil that I use in my Cummins. Valvoline Premium Blue Synthetic 5w-40. The manual says to use 0w-40 and if unavailable, 5w-40 "is acceptable". I don't think I've ever seen 0w-40, but then I've never looked either. > congratulations on the liberty dude. its a fun little truck with a > surprising amount of power. It does have a surprising amount of "staying" power on the highway. The best part though: on the way back from Ft. Worth to Dallas going down I-20, 70 mph ... we got 30.1 mpg. That's awesome. Craig C. >> fuel filter. those aren't cheap! $50 (give or take) is what our local >> dealer wants for them and last i checked, aftermarket parts houses hadn't [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > I don't think I've ever seen 0w-40, but then I've never looked either. 0W-40 is required in the 6.1 in my Charger. I went through 1/2 quart on the way down here, bought a quart at wally world. How big a fuel tank do they have? > How big a fuel tank do they have? According to the manual 20.5 U.S. gallons. Craig C. >> How big a fuel tank do they have? > > According to the manual 20.5 U.S. gallons. > > Craig C. you'll have about a 350 mile range or so without getting down into the 1/4 tank range (the usual buffer i like to leave) Signature____________________________________________ Chris 05 CTD 06 Liberty CRD More on the Liberty tranny. Interestingly, according to the parts guy at the Jeep dealership, the Liberty has a "multi-speed" transmission and actually has two tranny filters. A flat filter, like I'm use to seeing, and a spin on, cylinder shaped filter. Both of which are inside the pan. Sounded weird to me. Can anyone else confirm this extra filter and give an explanation why it is needed? I'll take some pictures of the tranny and diffs as I change them and post them to my website. TIA, Craig C. > More on the Liberty tranny. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > TIA, > Craig C. the spin on filter goes to the torque converter (iirc) and the flat filter is the transmission filter. it has the 545rfe trans. Signature____________________________________________ Chris 05 CTD 06 Liberty CRD On May 18, 2:35 pm, Chris Thompson <kf4drr-nos...@windstream.net> wrote: > the spin on filter goes to the torque converter (iirc) and the flat filter > is the transmission filter. it has the 545rfe trans. If it's not too much trouble, could you give me a quick set of instructions on changing the fuel filter. It's not at all like the Cummins ... Regards, Craig C. > On May 18, 2:35 pm, Chris Thompson <kf4drr-nos...@windstream.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Regards, > Craig C. First you get a BIG hammer! Next you get a BIG pry bar! <bg> > On May 18, 2:35 pm, Chris Thompson <kf4drr-nos...@windstream.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Regards, > Craig C. you should just unplug the sensor on the bottom of the filter then unscrew it. i've got one on order through our local napa and should be in monday if needed ill get ya a few pics and more detailed instructions when i do mine later next week (ive got to work nightshift monday and tuesday) Signature____________________________________________ Chris 05 CTD 06 Liberty CRD On May 19, 10:35 am, Chris Thompson <kf4drr-nos...@windstream.net> wrote: > you should just unplug the sensor on the bottom of the filter then unscrew > it. i've got one on order through our local napa and should be in monday > if needed ill get ya a few pics and more detailed instructions when i do > mine later next week (ive got to work nightshift monday and tuesday) I purchased two fuel filters for it today. One from Napa and one from the Jeep dealer. I always like to keep an extra fuel filter around. While I was at the Jeep dealer, I asked them to print out the service procedure for changing the filter. They did and I'd be glad to send it to you if you need it. Tomorrow is going to busy. Diffs, tranny, transfer case, motor oil and fuel filter changes in both the Liberty and the Ram. They gave me two different kinds of RTV for the Liberty. Two orange colored, I'm assuming for the diffs and one black silicone which I'm guessing is for the tranny pan. Craig C. > On May 19, 10:35 am, Chris Thompson <kf4drr-nos...@windstream.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Craig C. yea if ya don't mind since ya have it there. you can email me directly by removing the -obvious *grin* Signature____________________________________________ Chris 05 CTD 06 Liberty CRD On May 19, 3:59 pm, Chris Thompson <kf4drr-nos...@windstream.net> wrote: > yea if ya don't mind since ya have it there. you can email me directly by > removing the -obvious *grin* I will get those to you ASAP. I worked on the Liberty today. I got the rear diff fluid changed. Then, I started on the fuel filter. I couldn't get the damn thing off. After following the instructions, disconnecting the electrical wires, I was ready to actually remove the filter. Too tight to do it by hand. Since it very much resembles an oil filter, I said to myself, "Self, get your filter wrench and take this little bastard off". (I really did say this ... outloud). Well, I have the metal style filter wrench. Not enough room to get it onto the filter. I'm assuming I need a filter wrench that uses the cloth/nylon belt. Is that what you have used? I'm worn out and right now ... and the engineer that crammed that fuel filter in that tight space can kiss my skinny, white a.s. Craig C. > On May 19, 3:59 pm, Chris Thompson <kf4drr-nos...@windstream.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Craig C. I've got a set of "Filter Plyers" from Mac tools, i use them on all spin on filters. they really did a shoe horn job with that engine. not sure you could have fit anything bigger in there. Signature____________________________________________ Chris 05 CTD 06 Liberty CRD > I've got a set of "Filter Plyers" from Mac tools, i use them on all spin > on filters. Ah. I'll look for a set of those. Do you know of a source for getting reuseable gaskets for the diffs and tranny? RTV sucks. Craig C. >> I've got a set of "Filter Plyers" from Mac tools, i use them on all spin >> on filters. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Craig C. uh i'll look around...Brooks may have some. i'll let ya know what i come up with. Signature____________________________________________ Chris 05 CTD 06 Liberty CRD > uh i'll look around...Brooks may have some. i'll let ya know what i come > up with. I did some looking around. I could not find a source for a tranny reusable gasket or a front diff gasket (selectrak?). I did, however, find a gasket for the Corp 8.25" rear diff from Lube Locker. (www.lubelocker.com). Of course, I already changed the rear diff. So, it doesn't do me any good, this time. A day late and a dollar short. Story of Craig. :-) Craig C. >> uh i'll look around...Brooks may have some. i'll let ya know what i come >> up with. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > A day late and a dollar short. Story of Craig. Perhaps you can make a gasket. Roy > :-) > Craig C. > Perhaps you can make a gasket. How would a mechanically challenged person go about doing this? :-) Craig C. >> Perhaps you can make a gasket. > > How would a mechanically challenged person go about doing this? Get some gasket material that is made for the rear end fluid. Take the cover, clean it up, put the cover, holes down on the material. Trace the outer edge of the cover and the bolt holes. Pick up the cover, determine the width of the mateing surface, center a compass and draw the inner edge. Now cut it out, some use an exacto, I've used a ball peen hammer. Once you get one that fits correctly make a few for the next time. It's not all that difficult. Roy > :-) > Craig C. > Get some gasket material that is made for the rear end fluid. That is really what my question pertains to. Is the material a cork type of material? I had read that they are prone to leaking, especially when used for tranny gaskets, which is also part of my thought process. If the material you are referring to is a paper type, where would I find such a material? > one that fits correctly make a few for the next time. It's not all that > difficult. You're talking to a scientist, not a mechanic. :-) Craig C. >> Get some gasket material that is made for the rear end fluid. > > That is really what my question pertains to. Is the material a cork type > of material? I had read that they are prone to leaking, especially when > used for tranny gaskets, which is also part of my thought process. Not what I have used. It is a heavy laminate paper really ridgid.. > If the material you are referring to is a paper type, where would I find > such a material? Any railroad. <G> I would think a auto parts or a truck parts. >> one that fits correctly make a few for the next time. It's not all that >> difficult. > > You're talking to a scientist, not a mechanic. :-) I'm talking to a guy who bought a truck that I wanted to buy but couldn't due to MA emission laws. So I'm following this thread along.<VBG> Roy > Craig C. > How would a mechanically challenged person go about doing this? Get a package of instant gasket, add water, and stir. Or do what Roy said.... either way :) > On May 19, 3:59 pm, Chris Thompson <kf4drr-nos...@windstream.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Craig C. Careful what you ask/wish for as there are some in here that might do just that > Interestingly, according to the parts guy at the Jeep dealership, the > Liberty has a "multi-speed" transmission and actually has two tranny > filters. A flat filter, like I'm use to seeing, and a spin on, cylinder > shaped filter. Both of which are inside the pan. True - though that has nothing to do with the fact that it's a multi-speed transmission (heck, aren't ALL transmissions multi-speed? :) What he was probably trying to say was that it had two 2nd gear ratios - one used for the 1-2 upshift, and the other used for the 3-2 downshift.... but again, nothing to do with the fact that there's two filters. > Sounded weird to me. Can anyone else confirm this extra filter and give > an explanation why it is needed? The flat filter sits on the end of the suction line of the pump. It's screen sits in the pan, and sucks fluid in. The spin-on filter filters out the fluid as it's returning to the pan from the cooler. They probably did this so they could use a wider, more free-flowing "filter" in the pickup, and a finer filter on the return. It's usually easier to push fluid through a filter medium than to pull it. Plus, this way, you keep all the metal slag (normal wear of clutch steels) out of the pan, and keep people from freaking out that their transmission is eating itself. >> fuel filter. those aren't cheap! $50 (give or take) is what our local >> dealer wants for them and last i checked, aftermarket parts houses hadn't [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > best part though: on the way back from Ft. Worth to Dallas going down > I-20, 70 mph ... we got 30.1 mpg. That's awesome. yes we see 30+ on trips keeping her round 65 to 70 we reliably see 23 mpg city and my wife lets it idle a lot > Craig C. Signature____________________________________________ Chris 05 CTD 06 Liberty CRD |
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