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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / May 20072 part question: Dodge 1 ton Dually Diesel clutch problem
I am running a 1998 3500 Laramie dually with old style Cummins diesel engine..... I 'm the original owner and havn't done any modifications to anything..... Truck looks like the day it was bought and is used as a holiday puller only and has 100 thousand Kilometers on it (55 thousand miles?). I have 3.73 rear end and a 5 speed manual transmission. I was pulling my fifth wheel holiday trailer this weekend into a very strong headwind... In order to keep up with traffic and not be a menace to the road. I downshifted to 4th gear and stayed at about 2700 rpm at 60-65 miles per hour...when I found level areas or downhill areas I would shift to 5th gear as it would allow... Suddenly the shifter became very tough to move between 4th and fifth...as I came to a small town I slowed and couldn't get the gearshift to go into any gear at all. The only way I could get it to go into gear was shut the engine off and it would slip into any gear...I basically shifted without the aid of the clutch after that by finding the right RPM... I managed to do that to the campsite. After the truck cooled overnight, I fired it up and it shifted like the day I bought it except wouldn't go into reverse unless I shut it off. Throughout the weekend it seemed to straighten out except sometimes 3rd gear grinds as though I haven't depressed the clutch fully and it would eventually allow the shifter to go into reverse. I have no slipping of the clutch and no odor of clutch burning. When I let out the clutch everything seems fine and moves great...but shifting when hot after pulling is almost impossible. I had a friend pull my trailer home with his truck while I followed as I know that my truck is now incapable of pulling any weight. I called a Dodge dealership and he suggests that it is the "throw out bearing" or "release bearing" in the clutch is on its way out? Can anyone add to this thread that has had the same symptoms? 2nd part to this question is that I am thinking of adding diesel modifications to this engine to give it more HP. This would aid in not having to downshift and upshift and perhaps putting less stress or heat on the clutch while pulling. I figure this will be about a 4 thousand dollar fix and update, but am willing to pay the costs if I know it's going to work. Thanks....Jimi I doubt your clutch is to blame, due to mileage, but stranger things have happened. Another thing for you to consider is that the 5spd is known to have a problem with the "5th gear nut" backing off. Essentially, this means the nut that holds the 5th gear on its shaft loosens until it makes problems. There is a fix for this, where they made the splines and thread longer on the shaft. There is a replacement shaft that is the fix.  SignatureMax Join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > I am running a 1998 3500 Laramie dually with old style Cummins diesel > engine..... I 'm the original owner and havn't done any modifications to [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > I figure this will be about a 4 thousand dollar fix and update, but am > willing to pay the costs if I know it's going to work. Thanks....Jimi > I doubt your clutch is to blame, due to mileage, but stranger things have > happened. Another thing for you to consider is that the 5spd is known to > have a problem with the "5th gear nut" backing off. Essentially, this means > the nut that holds the 5th gear on its shaft loosens until it makes > problems. There is a fix for this, where they made the splines and thread > longer on the shaft. There is a replacement shaft that is the fix. I'd go straight to the hydraulic clutch set up and see if it's working right. Sounds like the clutch is not disengaging. Al >> I doubt your clutch is to blame, due to mileage, but stranger things have >> happened. Another thing for you to consider is that the 5spd is known to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Al Nice call AL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >> I doubt your clutch is to blame, due to mileage, but stranger things have > >> happened. Another thing for you to consider is that the 5spd is known to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Nice call AL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If that were the case then how would he be able to stop? SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving >> >> I doubt your clutch is to blame, due to mileage, but stranger things > have [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > If that were the case then how would he be able to stop? Carefully LOL! I guess that the problem was in the hydraulics but the symptoms that he described did not look that way. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > >> >> I doubt your clutch is to blame, due to mileage, but stranger things [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > > Carefully > LOL! I guess that the problem was in the hydraulics but the symptoms that > he described did not look that way. That's why this group is pretty cool. Ya get a bunch off different thoughts. Usually sombody will hit it. > > LOL! I guess that the problem was in the hydraulics but the symptoms that > > he described did not look that way. > > That's why this group is pretty cool. Ya get a bunch off different thoughts. > Usually sombody will hit it. But in the process of providing suggestions, some of us will be lambasted and called liars. :) punkin: >>>LOL! I guess that the problem was in the hydraulics but the symptoms that >>>he described did not look that way. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > But in the process of providing suggestions, some of us will be > lambasted and called liars. :) Absolutely. Didn't put you in a very good light when you did that, punkin, not when you lied about someone else's suggestions. Not good. SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin > punkin: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Roy, did you say something? I swear I heard sounds comnig from some where. >> punkin: >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Roy, did you say something? I swear I heard sounds comnig from some > where. Nope, that was me. I had a batch of White Castles yesterday and now I have some serious gas..... Denny > >> punkin: > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Well, that would not only explain the noise, but also the rotting dead gerbal up Reststop Ricky's a.s smell >> >> punkin: >> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > Well, that would not only explain the noise, but also the rotting dead > gerbal up Reststop Ricky's a.s smell Nope, that couldn't be it. My sh.t don't stink..... Just ask the guys at the parts counter... Denny >>> punkin: >>> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Denny I hit Wendy's for a bacon cheeseburger tonight. Not bad at all. Roy >> punkin: >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Roy, did you say something? I swear I heard sounds comnig from some > where. I thought it might have been a zipper, then some slurping. No spitting. Skippy: > "azwiley1" <azwiley1@cox.net> wrote in message >>>punkin: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >>Roy, did you say something? I swear I heard sounds comnig from some >>where. Skippy confirms... > I thought it might have been a zipper, then some slurping. No spitting. Was him alright. Signaturehis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin > Skippy: > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Damn Denny, knock it off with the "wind works!" >> Skippy: >> [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Damn Denny, knock it off with the "wind works!" I still hear that slurping sound. But that's about all it has to offer. Your right Larry, nobody gives a damn what it says anymore. Ya sorta bitch slap it on the way by. > >> Skippy: > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > - Show quoted text - But if we bitch slap it, it may cum after us for things other then harassment. >> >> Skippy: >> [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > But if we bitch slap it, it may cum after us for things other then > harassment. Nah, it mouth is too full of the Idiot to do much else. Figure a 3 day weekend at the rest area. He'll be enjoying a smorgasbord of dick. > >> >> Skippy: > >> [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > Nah, it mouth is too full of the Idiot to do much else. Figure a 3 day > weekend at the rest area. He'll be enjoying a smorgasbord of dick. Ya know, you guys seem to have a frightening knowledge of these rest areas :-0 SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving >> >> >> Skippy: >> >> [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > Ya know, you guys seem to have a frightening knowledge of these rest areas > :-0 Do you really want to jump into the pool?<G> > >> >> >> Skippy: > >> >> [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > > Do you really want to jump into the pool?<G> Who, me???? You must have me confused with those trouble makers like that like to argue like Tom L, Nosey, Mike, or Denny. <GBMFG> SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving >> >> >> >> Skippy: >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > > Who, me???? That's what I thought.<G> You must have me confused with those trouble makers like that > like to argue like Tom L, Nosey, Mike, or Denny. <GBMFG> Doubtful I get ya confused with that pack of jackals.<VBG> > >> >> >> "azwiley1" <azwil...@cox.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 90 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Man, if they are jackals, dare I ask where that puts theguy, Roy and I. Skippy: >>LOL! I guess that the problem was in the hydraulics but the symptoms that >>he described did not look that way. > > That's why this group is pretty cool. Ya get a bunch off different thoughts. I disagree. "99 Dodge Ram 3500-Leaking Oil From Blow By Vent Valve" shows why anybody ought to be reluctant to offer their ideas in this group. > Usually sombody will hit it. If not, we never know if there was someone lurking who might have. SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin > Skippy: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > "99 Dodge Ram 3500-Leaking Oil From Blow By Vent Valve" shows why > anybody ought to be reluctant to offer their ideas in this group. Oh, that is great advice. Lets see here, if a question is posted and a life history is not provided, no one should offer any suggestions. What the hell good would the group be if everyone just sat here like you, with a dick in your hand (or mouth)? > > Usually sombody will hit it. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go > with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin punkin: >>Skippy: >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > would the group be if everyone just sat here like you, with a dick in > your hand Sorry you didn't see the knife, punkin. Go get yourself a new dick. SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin > punkin: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Sorry you didn't see the knife, punkin. Go get yourself a new dick. If you are trying to make a Laraina Bobbit reference, you are wasting you time. FIrst, there is no way in hell I would ever let you near me. Second of all, with the known fact that you perform donkey shows down in TJ, we all know that no man would satisfy you. >Skippy: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >"99 Dodge Ram 3500-Leaking Oil From Blow By Vent Valve" shows why >anybody ought to be reluctant to offer their ideas in this group. oh for crying out loud. you little baby. geez. you get your little feelings hurt by that? because someone said something bad on a ng? because someone questioned someone? man beryl, you really do have some serious emotional issues that you need to deal with. >> Usually sombody will hit it. > >If not, we never know if there was someone lurking who might have. "CROTCH CANNIBAL polesmker@theIDIOTSlap wrote in message news:135emb1p6fr6g3a@corp.supernews.com... > Skippy: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > "99 Dodge Ram 3500-Leaking Oil From Blow By Vent Valve" shows why anybody > ought to be reluctant to offer their ideas in this group. You ought to get a life, your sounding pretty pathetic. But you are pathetic. > I am running a 1998 3500 Laramie dually with old style Cummins diesel > engine..... I 'm the original owner and havn't done any modifications to [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > bearing" or "release bearing" in the clutch is on its way out? Can anyone > add to this thread that has had the same symptoms? This is obviously a problem with the clutch but it could be in many places. While it could be the release bearing, it could also be the pilot bearing as it is far more subjected to the crank temp and your symptoms seem to get worse when the engine pulls and gets hot. It could also be a defective disk or pressure plate and either way, the bell housing needs to come off to see what happened. If you are planning mods to increase engine HP, I would at a minimum, replace the disk and pressure plate along with the release and pilot bearings. As someone else also suggested, take a look at the hydralics controlling the clutch but your symptoms do not indicate an obvious failure there. > 2nd part to this question is that I am thinking of adding diesel > modifications to this engine to give it more HP. This would aid in not > having to downshift and upshift and perhaps putting less stress or heat on > the clutch while pulling. If you need more HP and torque, then go for it but increasing output power usually does not reduce heat or stress and if the clutch does not have enough holding power to handle your increased HP, it will slip and increase both the heat and stress on the clutch. Many forget to match their clutch to the output power of the engine (especailly after mods) which tends to lead to premature failure. > I figure this will be about a 4 thousand dollar fix and update, but am > willing to pay the costs if I know it's going to work. Thanks....Jimi I don't see any real problem with the trans and once the clutch is repaired, you should be good to go. If you want to kick up the HP, make sure to do the research so that it is done properly and you know what to watch for and are aware of any changes in required maintenance after it is done as these engines can be very expensive to repair or replace. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > This is obviously a problem with the clutch but it could be in many > places. > While it could be the release bearing, it could also be the pilot bearing > as > it is far more subjected to the crank temp and your symptoms seem to get > worse when the engine pulls and gets hot. How do you figure the pilot bearing?? > > This is obviously a problem with the clutch but it could be in many > > places. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > How do you figure the pilot bearing?? The pilot bearing rests in a cavity on the end of the crank and supports the front of the transmission input shaft. It is directly affected by the temp of the crank as it is in direct contact with it. If it is starting to jamb and became temperature sensitive, it will try and turn the trans input shaft at the same speed as the crank and apply more force as it warms up. While it may not be able to apply enough force to move the truck, it could have more than enough to cause the trans to spin unloaded (clutch pressed) creating the problems shifting that the OP described. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving >> > This is obviously a problem with the clutch but it could be in many >> > places. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > more than enough to cause the trans to spin unloaded (clutch pressed) > creating the problems shifting that the OP described. Been my experience that these are a bushing that the input shaft rides in. When they wear, they wear around the input shaft and creat more room for the shaft. I don't know what type he has but I think that the bearing or bushing were it become so hot as to expand and clamp the input shaft it would break up. I've never seen or heard of that happening. Not to say it hasn't, just never seen it. Thinking for a second the clutch spins at the same rpm as engine and rides on the same input shaft. > If at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > I am running a 1998 3500 Laramie dually with old style Cummins diesel > engine..... I 'm the original owner and havn't done any modifications to [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >slave cylinder and master cylinder were bypassing....replaced them a they >are a one piece unit.... thanks again....Jimi |
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