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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / June 2007GVWR 3500 MEGA VS QUAD CAB
I would like to know why the GVWR for the Mega cab is only 10500 and the Quad cab (long bed) is 12200. I understood that these were the same truck different cab. The curb weights are not that different, couple hundred pounds. I just bought a 4horse trailer with living quraters and it has a pin weight of 3100lbs. With 4 adults and misc that puts me well above the gvwr of the mega. My dealer hasn't been able to find this out. > I would like to know why the GVWR for the Mega cab is only 10500 and > the Quad cab (long bed) is 12200. I understood that these were the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that puts me well above the gvwr of the mega. My dealer hasn't been > able to find this out. It probably has a softer suspension since it is basically a luxury car attempting to be a truck.  SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving >> I would like to know why the GVWR for the Mega cab is only 10500 and >> the Quad cab (long bed) is 12200. I understood that these were the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > It probably has a softer suspension since it is basically a luxury car > attempting to be a truck. Yup, dc lost a lot of cutomer's with that truck. Doesn't even come with a plow prep pkg. > If at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > <msteinm...@shec.hshs.org> wrote in message > >news:1181592713.415877.155560@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > > If at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving No, it's not the suspension. They are identical. Hopefully, I will get an answer from chrysler in a day or two. There must be something a little different in the frame. The GCWR is the same for both trucks Then you probably answered your own question. If they use the same suspension and the same frame type, then unless the bed length has been reduced, the frame has to be longer and longer frames of the same gauge carry less weight. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > > > > <msteinm...@shec.hshs.org> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > get an answer from chrysler in a day or two. There must be something > a little different in the frame. The GCWR is the same for both trucks > Then you probably answered your own question. If they use the same > suspension and the same frame type, then unless the bed length has been > reduced, the frame has to be longer and longer frames of the same gauge > carry less weight. the mega cab is the same frame as the quad lb from what i understand. the truck comes with a 5.5 ft bed i believe insead of my 8 foot. personally i'll never own a mega cab for that very reason. Signature____________________________________________ Chris 05 CTD 06 Liberty CRD >> Then you probably answered your own question. If they use the same >> suspension and the same frame type, then unless the bed length has been [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > truck comes with a 5.5 ft bed i believe insead of my 8 foot. personally > i'll never own a mega cab for that very reason. It's 6.5 feet. I just came from the Dodge web site. You can get the Megacab in a 6.5 box or a Extended Cab in either 6.5 or 8. I really do not understand why they just don't extend the WB the extra 1 or 2 feet. No way would I buy a Megacab to be stuck with a small 6.5 box . Where I live I have had several people come up to me offering to buy my truck. They say they can only find 6.5 boxes in the area and prefer an 8. >>> Then you probably answered your own question. If they use the same >>> suspension and the same frame type, then unless the bed length has been [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Where I live I have had several people come up to me offering to buy my > truck. They say they can only find 6.5 boxes in the area and prefer an 8. the DR quad cab is a crew cab (4 full doors) fyi the BE quad cab is a extended cab (2 half doors) why they used the same name for 2 totally diff cab styles i have no idea....that's Chrysler for ya and yes 8' box is the only way to go... Signature____________________________________________ Chris 05 CTD 06 Liberty CRD >>>> Then you probably answered your own question. If they use the same >>>> suspension and the same frame type, then unless the bed length has been [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > why they used the same name for 2 totally diff cab styles i have no > idea....that's Chrysler for ya On the web site they have them listed at "Quad" and "Mega" > and yes 8' box is the only way to go... >> the DR quad cab is a crew cab (4 full doors) fyi >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >> and yes 8' box is the only way to go... yes because they dont make the BE any more that was a 2nd gen truck Signature____________________________________________ Chris 05 CTD 06 Liberty CRD >>>> Then you probably answered your own question. If they use the same >>>> suspension and the same frame type, then unless the bed length has been [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > and yes 8' box is the only way to go... And another thing. I see on the web site they are offering Self Dimming Rear-view mirror on the Quad/Mega Cabs. Now I fail to see why they are doing that. Mine has one, but the factory tint is so dark that the function does not even work. Maybe if I open the rear sliding windows at night then maybe it would. I really do not see too many extended cabs these days that do not have tint. >No, it's not the suspension. They are identical. Hopefully, I will >get an answer from chrysler in a day or two. There must be something >a little different in the frame. The GCWR is the same for both trucks I would suggest that it is because the frame is longer with a larger cab and with a bigger span of frame required for it with the same sized box on rear the capacity the frame in span would be reduced because it is very doubtful that they bothered to make frame rails heavier and stronger and only made them longer. Also someone was commenting on that lack of a plow prep package but this could be due to frame flex and loads and front axle weight limitation. I have plowed snow for over 20 years and it adds a lot of weight to front end of a truck and you do not want to start out heavy up there before you even add a plow if you what it to last and handle fairly well too. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com > I would suggest that it is because the frame is longer with a larger But the frame is NOT larger... that's specifically why the Mega Cab is only offered with a 6ft. bed - because it's built on the same 160" WB frame that the quad cab, 8' bed truck is built on. > > I would suggest that it is because the frame is longer with a larger > > But the frame is NOT larger... that's specifically why the Mega Cab is only > offered with a 6ft. bed - because it's built on the same 160" WB frame that > the quad cab, 8' bed truck is built on. No he's not wrong, he's been plow'n snow for 20 some yaars... It's likely hitch placement in the bed. You likely can't place it as far forward in the bed without hitting the corners of the cab with the trailer. On a long bed you can place the hitch forward of the rear axle and the front wheels will take some of the weight thus giving it a higher capacity. >> I would suggest that it is because the frame is longer with a larger > > But the frame is NOT larger... that's specifically why the Mega Cab is only > offered with a 6ft. bed - because it's built on the same 160" WB frame that > the quad cab, 8' bed truck is built on. don't confuse him with actual facts, you know that just messes the whole works up! <GBMFG> Signature____________________________________________ Chris 05 CTD 06 Liberty CRD Unless I am mistaken....DC recommends that a plow is never to be installed on any Cummins powered model. I don't think this is a MegaCab only issue at all. I myself have been looking ral hard at getting one as soon as I sell my house...especially since i just sold my '01 2500 QC. Signature------------------------------------------ Laszlo Almasi ----Cool Toys (formerly Carolina Watercraft Works) ----Mack Daddy Trailers ----Ice Angels >>> I would like to know why the GVWR for the Mega cab is only 10500 and >>> the Quad cab (long bed) is 12200. I understood that these were the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >> If at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > Unless I am mistaken....DC recommends that a plow is > never to be installed on any Cummins powered model. You would be mistaken. Cummins powered 4X4's standard cab and quad cab were and have been available with the HD snow plow prep group for quite a few years > I would like to know why the GVWR for the Mega cab is only 10500 and > the Quad cab (long bed) is 12200. I understood that these were the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that puts me well above the gvwr of the mega. My dealer hasn't been > able to find this out. That pin weight sounds high. Is 3,100 lbs the actual pin weight or is that the maximum for that trailer? Have you put it on a scale yet? I'm curious as to what the loaded truck and trailer axle weights are as well as the axle weights for the truck unloaded. What are the front/rear GAWRs for this truck anyway? SignatureKen > msteinm...@shec.hshs.org wrote: > > I would like to know why the GVWR for the Mega cab is only 10500 and [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > -- > Ke The 3100 is from a scale, not under the best conditions but close. That was with my 2500 mega which I am looking to trade in on a one ton. I did check the individual axel weights Here are the specs for the 3500 mega: With 3.73 Axle Ratio You Can Tow 13050 lbs Gross Vehicle Weight Rating(GVWR)[i]=10500 Payload[i]=2675 Curb Weight[i]=7825 Curb WeightFront/Rear=4501/3324 GAWR[i]Front/Rear=4750/9350 Gross Combination Weight Rating(GCWR)[i]=21000 My trailer with horses is just under 15000, so my pin weight should be about 3000, so I am over the gvwr without putting any people in it. >> msteinm...@shec.hshs.org wrote: >> > I would like to know why the GVWR for the Mega cab is only 10500 and [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > My trailer with horses is just under 15000, so my pin weight should be > about 3000, so I am over the gvwr without putting any people in it. Is that with automatic or 6 speed? What about 4.11 rear end? > <msteinm...@shec.hshs.org> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Is that with automatic or 6 speed? What about 4.11 rear end? Auto, specs posted are for 3.73; 4.10 ups your towing to 15050 and gcwr to 23000 >> <msteinm...@shec.hshs.org> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > Auto, specs posted are for 3.73; 4.10 ups your towing to 15050 and > gcwr to 23000 That explains it. With the 6 speed and 4.10 it jumps to 19xxxx lbs. I've been asking this question for over a year and have not heard an explanation that makes sense except perhaps that the mega with short bed is going to have the pin further back than a long bed quad and dodge derates the GVWR to compensate. These trucks are otherwise identical with identical specs when equiped the same, save the 200 pounds additional mega curb weight over the QC long bed. A couple inches is cut off the mega frame end. >> > On Jun 11, 8:46 pm, "Nosey" <kfre...@removethis.hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> msteinm...@shec.hshs.org wrote: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> > that puts me well above the gvwr of the mega. My dealer hasn't been >> >> > able to find this out. > <msteinm...@shec.hshs.org> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Is that with automatic or 6 speed? What about 4.11 rear end? Auto, 4.10 provides 15050 towing, 23000gcwr > The 3100 is from a scale, not under the best conditions but close. > That was with my 2500 mega which I am looking to trade in on a one [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > My trailer with horses is just under 15000, so my pin weight should be > about 3000, so I am over the gvwr without putting any people in it. I find it odd that the rear axle can handle an additional 6,000 lbs but you hit the GVWR by loading 2,675 lbs on it. With only 249 lbs available to the front axle I can see why they don't want a plow on this model. You will likely be over the front axle rating just by putting 4 adults in the cab before you even hook the trailer. SignatureKen > I find it odd that the rear axle can handle an additional 6,000 lbs but you > hit the GVWR by loading 2,675 lbs on it. With only 249 lbs available to the > front axle I can see why they don't want a plow on this model. You will > likely be over the front axle rating just by putting 4 adults in the cab > before you even hook the trailer. Sounds like some SUV's. Overloaded when empty:) Al Maybe it's the Front AWR. If the Mega Cab puts more weight on the front axle, they may have reduced the GVWR to compensate, while maintaining the GCWR since the trailer would only add it's weight to the rear axle. I hope you post the reason once you get and answer. >I would like to know why the GVWR for the Mega cab is only 10500 and > the Quad cab (long bed) is 12200. I understood that these were the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that puts me well above the gvwr of the mega. My dealer hasn't been > able to find this out. > Maybe it's the Front AWR. If the Mega Cab puts more weight on the front > axle, they may have reduced the GVWR to compensate, while maintaining the > GCWR since the trailer would only add it's weight to the rear axle. I > hope you post the reason once you get and answer. That is what they did. Thus a plow would overload the front end. >>I would like to know why the GVWR for the Mega cab is only 10500 and >> the Quad cab (long bed) is 12200. I understood that these were the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> that puts me well above the gvwr of the mega. My dealer hasn't been >> able to find this out. >> Maybe it's the Front AWR. If the Mega Cab puts more weight on the front >> axle, they may have reduced the GVWR to compensate, while maintaining the >> GCWR since the trailer would only add it's weight to the rear axle. I >> hope you post the reason once you get and answer. > > That is what they did. Thus a plow would overload the front end. Thanks, at least my old grey matter hasn't lost all of it's function. Now, if I can only get the rescue dog to understand he's not the boss...time for another walk (2nd of 3 daily walks). >>>I would like to know why the GVWR for the Mega cab is only 10500 and >>> the Quad cab (long bed) is 12200. I understood that these were the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>> that puts me well above the gvwr of the mega. My dealer hasn't been >>> able to find this out. >>> Maybe it's the Front AWR. If the Mega Cab puts more weight on the front >>> axle, they may have reduced the GVWR to compensate, while maintaining [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Now, if I can only get the rescue dog to understand he's not the > boss...time for another walk (2nd of 3 daily walks). A alpha dog can be tough >>>>I would like to know why the GVWR for the Mega cab is only 10500 and >>>> the Quad cab (long bed) is 12200. I understood that these were the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>>> that puts me well above the gvwr of the mega. My dealer hasn't been >>>> able to find this out. He's about 2 years old, I've had him for a few months. I don't think he was walked much and maybe even beaten. He's come a looong way since I got him. He used to mask his fear of *everything* by using aggression. Now it's only when we meet other dogs on a walk that he gets aggressive - he now does fine with people, cars, bits of wood, leaves, etc. >>>> Maybe it's the Front AWR. If the Mega Cab puts more weight on the >>>> front axle, they may have reduced the GVWR to compensate, while [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >>>>> that puts me well above the gvwr of the mega. My dealer hasn't been >>>>> able to find this out. > He's about 2 years old, I've had him for a few months. I don't think he > was walked much and maybe even beaten. That can be a problem. A dog with a unknown background can be a real trip. He's come a looong way since I got him. > He used to mask his fear of *everything* by using aggression. Now it's > only when we meet other dogs on a walk that he gets aggressive That's common. - he now does fine > with people, cars, bits of wood, leaves, etc. It will take a bunch of time but you will win him over. >>>>> Maybe it's the Front AWR. If the Mega Cab puts more weight on the >>>>> front axle, they may have reduced the GVWR to compensate, while [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >>>>>> that puts me well above the gvwr of the mega. My dealer hasn't been >>>>>> able to find this out. |
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