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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / June 2007Battery Tenders - Thanks Tom L
Tom, Quick "Thanks" to you for recommended the Battery Tenders. My truck sits in the garage 29 out of 30 days per month. I purchased two of the Battery Tender Plus' for my Ram (one for each battery). I could have used one with a patch cable, but once I calculated the cost of the patch cable and extra eye-let connectors, it was only $20.00 more to get a second unit. I hooked the eye-let connectors to each battery. I also bought the 12' extensions and zip tied them where the two plugs are next to the block heater plug. Hooked them up and they work great. Solid green LEDs ... Thanks again. Craig C. Hi Tom! Can you tell me where you picked up the Battery Tenders? Thanks Fred > Tom, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Thanks again. > Craig C. > Can you tell me where you picked up the Battery Tenders? I called Deltran, (Batter Tender maker), (www.batterytender.com) and they suggested that I purchase from www.batterymart.com. I thought this was odd, but it worked out just fine and it was cheaper than buying direct. Two 12v Battery Tender Plus' and two 12' extensions. $124.00 including shipping. Craig C. >> Can you tell me where you picked up the Battery Tenders? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Craig C. Hey Craig!! Ya gotta stop pissin' off those net nannies!<BFG> Roy > Hey Craig!! Ya gotta stop pissin' off those net nannies!<BFG> There's a few of them in the Jeep ng. Nothing I can't handle. :-) But there are also some really knowledgeable folks there. Mike Romain, for example. However, he doesn't work on Liberty's or diesels apparently. Still, I like the folks here much better ... with a few OBVIOUS exceptions. :-) Craig C. >> Hey Craig!! Ya gotta stop pissin' off those net nannies!<BFG> > > There's a few of them in the Jeep ng. Nothing I can't handle. :-) > But there are also some really knowledgeable folks there. Mike Romain, > for example. However, he doesn't work on Liberty's or diesels apparently. Mike does seem to have it together. Chris here, might have a answer for ya. > Still, I like the folks here much better ... with a few OBVIOUS > exceptions. I hear that<G> > :-) > Craig C. Roy > Chris here, might have a answer for ya. Yeah ... Chris has been great. I've pestered the crap out of him with Liberty questions. I figured I'd give him a break. :-) Craig C. >> Chris here, might have a answer for ya. > > Yeah ... Chris has been great. I've pestered the crap out of him with > Liberty questions. I figured I'd give him a break. I think he like's the abuse, go for it. > :-) > Craig C. > I hooked the eye-let connectors to each battery. I also bought the 12' > extensions and zip tied them where the two plugs are next to the block > heater plug. Hooked them up and they work great. Solid green LEDs ... Glad to hear it - but why two? >> I hooked the eye-let connectors to each battery. I also bought the 12' >> extensions and zip tied them where the two plugs are next to the block >> heater plug. Hooked them up and they work great. Solid green LEDs ... > > Glad to hear it - but why two? Two ... units (one for each battery)? Because once I calculated the cost of the patch cable and the extra set of eye-lets it would take to hook up to one unit, an additional unit was only $20 more. The guy I talked to at Deltran said *some* people have success charging two batteries with one unit without overloading it. With my luck ... I wouldn't fall into the *some* category. Craig C. > Two ... units (one for each battery)? Because once I calculated the cost > of the patch cable and the extra set of eye-lets it would take to hook up > to one unit, an additional unit was only $20 more. Okay... but you're aware that there's this big, heavy, red cable running from one battery to the other, right? :) > talked to at Deltran said *some* people have success charging two > batteries with one unit without overloading it. It's not like the extra ampacity makes the battery tender work harder... it's a fixed current output regardless of the size of the battery - bigger batteries would just take longer to charge. The specs on the Battery Tender Plus say: - Charge/Maintain up to 4 batteries (of similar type - in parrallel) Strange they would tell you different - though they did wind up selling two units instead of one :) > Okay... but you're aware that there's this big, heavy, red cable running > from one battery to the other, right? :) Um ... no. I was under the impression that they were completely separate. One battery being responsible for the glow plug/grate thing-o-ma-jig and the other battery for starting and accessories. <this is where you tell me that I was mistaken> :-) >> talked to at Deltran said *some* people have success charging two >> batteries with one unit without overloading it. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > - Charge/Maintain up to 4 batteries (of similar type - in parrallel) I read that too. When I called, I was originally asking about the Battery Tender Jr. They said that it would NOT work at all and suggested the Battery Tender Plus. At which point I asked them, "Hey, I only need one of those, right?" And that's when they mentioned that it *could* overload depending on the battery size. After computing the price of the cable and eye-lets and the *possibility* of overloading one unit, I decided to spring for the extra unit. > Strange they would tell you different - though they did wind up selling two > units instead of one :) See what I mean about my luck? :-) Craig C. > Um ... no. I was under the impression that they were completely separate. > One battery being responsible for the glow plug/grate thing-o-ma-jig and > the other battery for starting and accessories. > > <this is where you tell me that I was mistaken> Yep - this is where I tell you that you're mistaken :) Both batteries are connected together, which is why when one of my stockers exploded, I was able to run for a couple of days on a single battery. Look inside the big wire loom running across the top of your radiator. It's a heavy red wire. Now trace it out. You'll see it goes from the passenger-side battery positive terminal to the driver's side positive terminal. True, the grid heater relays connect to the passenger-side battery, and the starter and IPM connect to the driver's side, but since both batteries are tied together (with that big red cable), every electrical load draws from both batteries. They're simply routed to their respective batteries as a matter of wiring convenience. > Look inside the big wire loom running across the top of your radiator. It's > a heavy red wire. Now trace it out. You'll see it goes from the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > load draws from both batteries. They're simply routed to their respective > batteries as a matter of wiring convenience. So here's the million dollar question: Am I currently frying something by having two Battery Tenders connected? And another million dollar question. If I were to unplug one of the Battery Tenders as I currently have them configured, the remaining Battery Tender would charge both batteries with no other cables or configuration needed? If so, I can use the spare Battery Tender for my boat battery. Craig C. > So here's the million dollar question: Am I currently frying something by > having two Battery Tenders connected? I'd put one away as a spare. > And another million dollar question. If I were to unplug one of the > Battery Tenders as I currently have them configured, the remaining Battery > Tender would charge both batteries with no other cables or configuration > needed? Almost like magic. > If so, I can use the spare Battery Tender for my boat battery. Yeah... you meant to get one for your boat. That's the ticket :) >> And another million dollar question. If I were to unplug one of the >> Battery Tenders as I currently have them configured, the remaining Battery >> Tender would charge both batteries with no other cables or configuration >> needed? > > Almost like magic. Cool. I figured there would be a need to connect the negative terminals. >> If so, I can use the spare Battery Tender for my boat battery. > > Yeah... you meant to get one for your boat. That's the ticket :) Shhh. I won't tell anyone if you don't. :-) Craig C. > Cool. I figured there would be a need to connect the negative terminals. Would you believe me if I told you they were connected together, too? >> Cool. I figured there would be a need to connect the negative terminals. > > Would you believe me if I told you they were connected together, too? No way! Too good to be true. Disconnecting the Battery Tender that belongs on my boat now. :-) Craig C. >>> Cool. I figured there would be a need to connect the negative terminals. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >:-) >Craig C. happy fathersday lol >> Disconnecting the Battery Tender that belongs on my boat now. >> >> :-) >> Craig C. > happy fathersday lol LOL. Won't be telling the wife about this little debacle. Craig C. Update: I called Deltran to ask them why they sold me two Battery Tenders when I only needed one. The response was that one *will* work. HOWEVER, *if* the second battery (the one NOT hooked directly to the Battery Tender) ever weakens more than the one that it is hooked to, the Battery Tender will "smoke" the first battery trying to charge the weaker one. He said that if I wanted to use only one Battery Tender, the proper way to hook it up was to hook the positive eye-let to one battery and the negative eye-let to the other battery. Thus, the need for the additional cabling. Thought this was important enough to pass along. I certainly don't know jack sh.t about electrical, so it all sounds greek to me. Craig C. >>> Cool. I figured there would be a need to connect the negative >>> terminals. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > :-) > Craig C. > The response was that one *will* work. HOWEVER, *if* the second battery > (the one NOT hooked directly to the Battery Tender) ever weakens more than > the one that it is hooked to, the Battery Tender will "smoke" the first > battery trying to charge the weaker one. Hmmm... sort of makes one wonder what kind of magical doo-dad is inside our alternators that prevents them from doing that, too. > He said that if I wanted to use only one Battery Tender, the proper way to > hook it up was to hook the positive eye-let to one battery and the > negative eye-let to the other battery. Thus, the need for the additional > cabling. Again... just like the alternator is hooked up.... except that it isn't.... the alternator's got a single output that connects to one battery terminal, and relies on the common ground to complete the charging circuit. How do it do dat? :) > Again... just like the alternator is hooked up.... except that it > isn't.... the alternator's got a single output that connects to one battery > terminal, and relies on the common ground to complete the charging circuit. > How do it do dat? :) You know ... I don't know. I'm just glad I was forward thinking enough to purchase a Battery Tender for my boat. :-) Craig C. > Update: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > than the one that it is hooked to, the Battery Tender will "smoke" the > first battery trying to charge the weaker one. That's a riot! You must have had Nell Nelson on the phone. > He said that if I wanted to use only one Battery Tender, the proper way > to hook it up was to hook the positive eye-let to one battery and the > negative eye-let to the other battery. Thus, the need for the > additional cabling. <choke, gasp> > Thought this was important enough to pass along. I certainly don't know > jack sh.t about electrical, so it all sounds greek to me. The industry is obviously in desperate need of people who know something about parallel batteries.  SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin >> The response was that one *will* work. HOWEVER, *if* the second >> battery (the one NOT hooked directly to the Battery Tender) ever >> weakens more than the one that it is hooked to, the Battery Tender >> will "smoke" the first battery trying to charge the weaker one. > > That's a riot! You must have had Nell Nelson on the phone. Actually it was John Ford. Head Technician for Deltran. >> He said that if I wanted to use only one Battery Tender, the proper >> way to hook it up was to hook the positive eye-let to one battery and >> the negative eye-let to the other battery. Thus, the need for the >> additional cabling. > > <choke, gasp> So are you saying that he is wrong? Tell us, electrical expert, what would happen if I hooked up the Battery Tender as John recommended? >> Thought this was important enough to pass along. I certainly don't >> know jack sh.t about electrical, so it all sounds greek to me. > > The industry is obviously in desperate need of people who know something > about parallel batteries. Maybe. I find it more interesting, however, that you waited until after Tom made his comments to come along and try to be an expert on the matter. I trust what Tom L. said about it and have followed that advice. He's not steered me wrong yet. Craig C. Crag: >>> The response was that one *will* work. HOWEVER, *if* the second >>> battery (the one NOT hooked directly to the Battery Tender) ever [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > So are you saying that he is wrong? Tell us, electrical expert, what > would happen if I hooked up the Battery Tender as John recommended? Nothing would happen differently whether you connect it his way or not. There's just no reason for additional cabling to reach the negative post of the other battery. Both negative posts are grounded to the frame, they're functionally the same, there's 5,000 lbs. of steel connecting them. That's a "heavy" wire! >>> Thought this was important enough to pass along. I certainly don't >>> know jack sh.t about electrical, so it all sounds greek to me. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Maybe. I find it more interesting, however, that you waited until after > Tom made his comments to come along and try to be an expert on the matter. So? I waited to see what kind of replies you got. That should hardly be "more interesting", graywacke. I was talking about batteries weeks ago with Know Nothing NELL. > I trust what Tom L. said about it and have followed that advice. He's > not steered me wrong yet. Then you aren't trusting what John Ford said, right? > Craig C. SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin >>> <choke, gasp> >> >> So are you saying that he is wrong? Tell us, electrical expert, what >> would happen if I hooked up the Battery Tender as John recommended? > > Nothing would happen differently whether you connect it his way or not. Then why the added drama of "<choke, gasp>". Just being a girl? > Then you aren't trusting what John Ford said, right? I believe that John recommends the extra configuration for a reason. What that reason is, is unknown to me and apparently you too. I'm sure they ran scores of tests on many different kinds of vehicles. However, with my truck, I trust tried and true Cummins mechanics/fanatics more. Like some of the members of this ng and my local mechanic. Craig C. Crag: >>>> <choke, gasp> >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Then why the added drama of "<choke, gasp>". Just being a girl? Because "... the proper way to hook it up was to hook the positive eye-let to one battery and the negative eye-let to the other battery. Thus, the need for the additional cabling." Not because nothing would happen differently. And what are eye-lets? Is that girl-talk for ring connectors? SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin > Crag: >> > And what are eye-lets? Is that girl-talk for ring connectors? Probably wanted to be sure you'd understand. >> Then why the added drama of "<choke, gasp>". Just being a girl? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > need for the additional cabling." > Not because nothing would happen differently. Hardly a reason to "<choke, gasp>". Maybe your were "<choke, gasp>"-ing on something else. > And what are eye-lets? The connectors that connect directly to the battery. >Is that girl-talk for ring connectors? It's non-mechanic speak for "ring connectors". You got the point, and so did everyone else. So shut the f.ck up. Craig C. Crag: >>> Then why the added drama of "<choke, gasp>". Just being a girl? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Hardly a reason to "<choke, gasp>". Plenty of reason! Head Technician for Deltran gives wrong advice about the need for additional cabling to hook up a battery charger. Your truck's frame already *is* additional cabling leading to the negative post of the other battery. >> And what are eye-lets? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > It's non-mechanic speak for "ring connectors". You got the point, and > so did everyone else. So shut the f.ck up. Yup, everyone recognized your pansy-speak for ring connectors. > Craig C. SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin >> Hardly a reason to "<choke, gasp>". > > Plenty of reason! > Head Technician for Deltran gives wrong advice But ... it isn't "wrong" according to what you said, just unnecessary. Additionally, you still haven't convinced me that you know more than he does. So at this point, you're just running your mouth. >> It's non-mechanic speak for "ring connectors". You got the point, and >> so did everyone else. So shut the f.ck up. > > Yup, everyone recognized your pansy-speak for ring connectors. We all have our areas of expertise. Mine is not auto mechanics or mechanic speak, like 95%+ of the population. I guess we can't all be queer, electrical, mechanical, grammatical experts like you. Damn. Craig C. > >> Hardly a reason to "<choke, gasp>". > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Craig C. Don't you mean thank God, vice DAMN? > Don't you mean thank God, vice DAMN? Yes. That was part of the joke. Hello? Earth to Larry? :-) Craig C. > > Don't you mean thank God, vice DAMN? > > Yes. That was part of the joke. Hello? Earth to Larry? > > :-) > Craig C. Sorry Larry has stepped out of his body for a bit, please leave a msg! Crag: >>> Hardly a reason to "<choke, gasp>". >> >> Plenty of reason! >> Head Technician for Deltran gives wrong advice > > But ... it isn't "wrong" according to what you said, just unnecessary. Which makes it wrong advice. It doesn't come free, it adds clutter. I think John Ford simply decided he should sell you another battery tender when he heard you say "eyelet" on the phone. SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin >Crag: >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >I think John Ford simply decided he should sell you another battery >tender when he heard you say "eyelet" on the phone. i would like to think that you went away from the news group for a while in order to sharpen your wit. but if i thought that i would be wrong. you are still a moron sheryl. thedumbguy: >>Crag: >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > while in order to sharpen your wit. but if i thought that i would be > wrong. That's correct. I guess you don't often get what you'd like. SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin >thedumbguy: > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >That's correct. I guess you don't often get what you'd like. you are right sheryl. its just my optimistic nature to hold out hope that in america, even a moron like you has the opportunity to grow up become a normal person. unfortunately, i am coming to realize that there are some, like yourself, without the intelect to be able to cash in on the opportunity. >> But ... it isn't "wrong" according to what you said, just unnecessary. > > Which makes it wrong advice. It doesn't come free, it adds clutter. Nope. "Wrong" advice would be what Snotard gives. You know, the guy you were defending when you reared your ugly head in this group? As I said, and you ignored, Deltran very likely ran scores of tests and have a reason to recommend that configuration. Just because your brain and "expertise" are too limited to understand it doesn't mean that it's "wrong". In my case, I really don't care ... my truck only needs one, but I can use two if I wish. My choice. No harm, no foul. > I think John Ford simply decided he should sell you another battery > tender when he heard you say "eyelet" on the phone. 1) I could return if I wished, but I can use it for other things. 2) Go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grommet You will note that although not 100% descriptive in this case "eyelet" is a valid way to describe the part and it is a valid part name. Not merely made up as you have hinted. Now, go f.ck yourself. Craig C. Crag: >>> But ... it isn't "wrong" according to what you said, just unnecessary. >> >> Which makes it wrong advice. It doesn't come free, it adds clutter. > > Nope. Then you might like to route some additional cabling out the front of the grill, down the side, loop twice around the rear bumper, back up the side, over the roof, and back through the grill to the second battery. It will work great. > "Wrong" advice would be what Snotard gives. You know, the guy > you were defending when you reared your ugly head in this group? You're talking about the time the advice wasn't wrong, but punky had to find something to whine about so he made up BS about punctuation, grammar, spelling, and run-on sentences. And my head can't be too ugly, people mistake me for an actor. Or maybe it's my commanding presence. > As I said, and you ignored, Deltran very likely ran scores of tests and > have a reason to recommend that configuration. Just because your brain > and "expertise" are too limited to understand it doesn't mean that it's > "wrong". If I'm wrong, then Tom L is also wrong. If Tom is right, then John Ford is wrong. > In my case, I really don't care ... my truck only needs one, but I can > use two if I wish. My choice. No harm, no foul. And how are you going to connect one? >> I think John Ford simply decided he should sell you another battery >> tender when he heard you say "eyelet" on the phone. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > is a valid way to describe the part and it is a valid part name. Not > merely made up as you have hinted. I never hinted that your "eye-let" was a madeup name. I didn't even mention that you don't know how to spell it. > Now, go f.ck yourself. > > Craig C. SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin > And my head can't be too ugly, people mistake me for an actor. Who? Rock Hudson? Makes sense ... he liked 'hot dogs' too. >> brain and "expertise" are too limited to understand it doesn't mean >> that it's "wrong". > > If I'm wrong, then Tom L is also wrong. If Tom is right, then John Ford > is wrong. Tom didn't comment on the wire being connected to positive on one battery and negative on the other, IIRC. Regarding John Ford, I'm positive that he knows more about this subject than you. So, let it go. If you can't let it go, take it up with him. >> In my case, I really don't care ... my truck only needs one, but I can >> use two if I wish. My choice. No harm, no foul. > > And how are you going to connect one? Well, right now I still have both connected. One to each battery. After I finish getting some work done on my boat, I will probably just unhook one. No further configuration, as Tom suggested. Or ... maybe I'll forget and leave both units hooked up. I don't know ... so many options ... >> You will note that although not 100% descriptive in this case "eyelet" >> is a valid way to describe the part and it is a valid part name. Not >> merely made up as you have hinted. > > I never hinted that your "eye-let" was a madeup name. I didn't even > mention that you don't know how to spell it. Again with the spelling? I guess I shouldn't be surprised, you look like a horse's a.s for making fun of the word and then when I showed you that an "eyelet" is actually a "metal ring" and not a made up word, your only choice is to draw attention away because I used a hyphen. f.cking-Idiot. How 'bout that hyphen? Craig C. Crag: >> And my head can't be too ugly, people mistake me for an actor. > > Who? Rock Hudson? Makes sense ... he liked 'hot dogs' too. Your wife says Ron Jeremy. >>> In my case, I really don't care ... my truck only needs one, but I >>> can use two if I wish. My choice. No harm, no foul. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Or ... maybe I'll forget and leave both units hooked up. I don't know > ... so many options ... Yeah, you could even connect both to battery #1, or both to battery #2. What luck that you bought two of them. >>> You will note that although not 100% descriptive in this case >>> "eyelet" is a valid way to describe the part and it is a valid part [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > like a horse's a.s for making fun of the word and then when I showed you > that an "eyelet" is actually a "metal ring" and not a made up word, your I know what an eyelet is. You just come across as a little sissy with your girly vocabulary here. > only choice is to draw attention away because I used a hyphen. > > f.cking-Idiot. How 'bout that hyphen? > > Craig C. SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin >Crag: >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >And my head can't be too ugly, people mistake me for an actor. mickey rooney? > Or maybe > it's my commanding presence. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >> >> Craig C. > Crag: >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > And my head can't be too ugly, people mistake me for an actor. Or maybe > it's my commanding presence. Rosie O'Donnell? >> As I said, and you ignored, Deltran very likely ran scores of tests and >> have a reason to recommend that configuration. Just because your brain [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> >> Craig C. > Crag: >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > they're functionally the same, there's 5,000 lbs. of steel connecting > them. That's a "heavy" wire! There's 5,000 lbs of steel connecting the batteries? My god man! How heavy is the truck that carries that much weight for a battery cable? >>>> Thought this was important enough to pass along. I certainly don't >>>> know jack sh.t about electrical, so it all sounds greek to me. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > "more interesting", graywacke. I was talking about batteries weeks ago > with Know Nothing NELL. During the time of the "electrical questions" thread my computer suffered a hard drive crash, it took me a few days to re-install the OS, drivers, a few flash updates I had missed, restore from backup, etc. At any rate, I missed that whole discussion, but read much of it tonight because of your self professed knowledge on the subject in this thread. I noticed that you continue to make friends and sway opinion with your usual aplomb. You posted something about 2-6V golf cart batteries in series versus 2-12V batteries in parallel that you had read many years ago in an RV magazine, but I doubt you understood the nature of the article. A standard automotive battery is also known as a "starting" battery. It is good for producing a lot of amperage for a short period of time so that it may turn the starter motor. A golf cart battery produces less amperage than a starting battery, but it is capable of producing that reduced amperage for a much longer period of time as compared to a starting battery. That is why golf cart batteries are ideal for RV applications. I really do feel sorry for you, Beryl. You have a tremendous need to make an a.s out of yourself in order to draw attention. I would suggest you get a dog, but I think a cat may be more appropriate as a dog requires your attention and a cat requires little. >> I trust what Tom L. said about it and have followed that advice. He's >> not steered me wrong yet. > > Then you aren't trusting what John Ford said, right? > >> Craig C. B Edith: >>Crag: >>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > There's 5,000 lbs of steel connecting the batteries? My god man! How heavy > is the truck that carries that much weight for a battery cable? The truck /is/ a battery cable. Tons of frame, engine, body, and any other bit of metal that is electrically bonded to them. But you don't get it, Edith, I understand. >>>>>Thought this was important enough to pass along. I certainly don't >>>>>know jack sh.t about electrical, so it all sounds greek to me. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > hard drive crash, it took me a few days to re-install the OS, drivers, a few > flash updates I had missed, restore from backup, etc. And you reinstalled Outlook Express! What a dink. You only needed to install the latest flash update, not a few of them. Got all your barnyard animal pics restored? > At any rate, I missed > that whole discussion, but read much of it tonight because of your self Read it all, Edith. I want you to see how helpless and pathetic poor, miscalculating NELL was. > professed knowledge on the subject in this thread. I noticed that you > continue to make friends and sway opinion with your usual aplomb. So very astute, Edith. Actually not. It's no secret that I'm being an a.s here. I've said so, and explained why, myself. > You posted something about 2-6V golf cart batteries in series versus 2-12V > batteries in parallel that you had read many years ago in an RV magazine, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > time as compared to a starting battery. That is why golf cart batteries are > ideal for RV applications. That was not the nature of the RV magazine article. Batteries in *series* are ideal for RV applications because they don't kill each other during extended periods of non-use, so effectively that means 6-volters. It wasn't about golf cart batteries, or forklift batteries, or lighthouse batteries. > I really do feel sorry for you, Beryl. You have a tremendous need to make > an a.s out of yourself in order to draw attention. I would suggest you get > a dog, Got one! 126 lbs. of Akita/Rottweiler/Pitbull mutt, and friendly as heck. Tore the end of my finger half off once when he darted after a rabbit and his leash yanked my hand across the front of my truck. > but I think a cat may be more appropriate as a dog requires your > attention and a cat requires little. All the animals here enjoy my attention, Edith! My parakeets' day-old seed leftovers feed wild birds and rabbits. They know the routine, they see me, and they come a-runnin'. The rabbits here have become so tame that I can walk by and they'll usually only move a couple of feet so they don't get stepped on. Ravens and squirrels like fruit. Ever see ravens up close? Those birds are BIG! Rattlesnakes get relocated. I don't want a cat. >>>I trust what Tom L. said about it and have followed that advice. He's >>>not steered me wrong yet. >> >>Then you aren't trusting what John Ford said, right? SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin > Edith: >>>Crag: [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > bit of metal that is electrically bonded to them. > But you don't get it, Edith, I understand. The amount of current that the frame can handle is substantially greater than what the cable connecting the post to the battery is capable of, so in effect there is not 5000 lbs of steel connecting the batteries. >>>>>>Thought this was important enough to pass along. I certainly don't >>>>>>know jack sh.t about electrical, so it all sounds greek to me. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > You only needed to install the latest flash update, not a few of them. > Got all your barnyard animal pics restored? You don't know what a flash update is, do you? If you do, you don't know how many devices I needed to update, or the version I was starting at - some updates need a specific minimum version before you can install the next one. Your insults are patheticley boring because you frequently make assumptions in your desire to be an a.s. >> At any rate, I missed that whole discussion, but read much of it tonight >> because of your self [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] >>> >>>Then you aren't trusting what John Ford said, right? Edith: > "Beryl" <terrapin@coolbits.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > than what the cable connecting the post to the battery is capable of, so in > effect there is not 5000 lbs of steel connecting the batteries. True enough, and the additional cable that graywacke believes in will also have less carrying capacity than the frame that's already in place. >>>During the time of the "electrical questions" thread my computer suffered >>>a hard drive crash, it took me a few days to re-install the OS, drivers, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > You don't know what a flash update is, do you? If you do, you don't know There are lots of things that can be "flash" updated. My motherboard's BIOS got flashed, my modem got flashed, my MP3 player got flashed... Those kinds of flashes have nothing to do with recovering from a hard drive crash. > how many devices I needed to update, or the version I was starting at - some > updates need a specific minimum version before you can install the next one. > Your insults are patheticley boring because you frequently make assumptions > in your desire to be an a.s. Thanks! Adobe Flash was the reasonable assumption. SignatureThis explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick. :) -- punkin > Edith: > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Those kinds of flashes have nothing to do with recovering from a hard > drive crash. Really! You really don't know sh.t than do you cock breath? News flash cock breath, when you recover from a HDD crash or failure and you are starting from fresh some thing will need to be flashed for the system to work properly again. But f.ck, I'm only an IT Tech what the hell do I know. Now, bring on your lame as game. punkin: >>Edith: >>>"Beryl" <terra...@coolbits.net> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > system to work properly again. But f.ck, I'm only an IT Tech what the > hell do I know. You know as much as you did about headlight bulbs, relays, alternators, jumper cables, tire pressure, and motor oil. Squat. I've been assembling PCs and swapping drives with new, or freshly reformatted, for years. Nothing has needed flashing ever. > Now, bring on your lame as game. Here's the stupidest thing I've ever read in this group... "Hell, tell me this, what size is the cabling in a set of jumper cables?" SignatureHell, tell me this, what size is the cabling in a set of jumper cables? -- punkin > punkin: > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > You know as much as you did about headlight bulbs, relays, alternators, > jumper cables, tire pressure, and motor oil. Squat. I am so glad that you are so high and mighty as to think you know more than EVERY one else. You still seem to believe that know one can know anything if they are in disagreance with you. You have poven againg and again, that when you are shown to be wrong which happens just about every time you take the cock out of your mouth, the only thing you know how to do is revert back to spelling and grammar attacks. As to the areas above, I know a lot more about them than you but again, because you disagreed with some of the info, it MOST be wrong. Sadly, it was not. > I've been assembling PCs and swapping drives with new, or freshly > reformatted, for years. Nothing has needed flashing ever. Oh really. That nice to know though I can garuntee that myself and others in here could run circles around you concerning this area. You've been swapping drive, now why would you do this, you are the self proclaimed expert at every thing so you should never have an issue. Besides, even a monkey can swap a drive. > > Now, bring on your lame as game. > > Here's the stupidest thing I've ever read in this group... > > "Hell, tell me this, what size is the cabling in > a set of jumper cables?" No, the stupidest thing ever said in this group is anything that is said by you, when ever you stop sucking your dogs dick and start typing again. > -- > Hell, tell me this, what size is the cabling in > a set of jumper cables? -- punkin- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - punkin: >>punkin: >>>>Edith: [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > again, because you disagreed with some of the info, it MOST be wrong. > Sadly, it was not. Stop blabbering and tell us what needs to be flashed for the system to work properly again after a hard drive replacement. >>I've been assembling PCs and swapping drives with new, or freshly >>reformatted, for years. Nothing has needed flashing ever. > > Oh really. That nice to know though I can garuntee that myself and > others in here could run circles around you concerning this area. So do it. Tell us what needs to be flashed for the system to work properly again after a hard drive replacement. > You've been swapping drive, now why would you do this, you are the > self proclaimed expert at every thing so you should never have an > issue. Besides, even a monkey can swap a drive. Tell us what needs to be flashed for the system to work properly again after a hard drive replacement. >>>Now, bring on your lame as game. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > said by you, when ever you stop sucking your dogs dick and start > typing again. Tell us what needs to be flashed for the system to work properly again after a hard drive replacement. SignatureHell, tell me this, what size is the cabling in a set of jumper cables? -- punkin > punkin: > [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] > Tell us what needs to be flashed for the system to work properly again > after a hard drive replacement. perhaps nothing, perhaps several things. it depends on a lot of variables regarding hardware, software, and firmware. again, your assumptions lead you to argue about a wrong conclusion. because it seems you have week logic skils, i doubt very much that re-reading my original post in this thread will help you any, and i don't feel like spelling it out for you. you're the final product of hay. Edith: >>Tell us what needs to be flashed for the system to work properly again >>after a hard drive replacement. > > perhaps nothing, perhaps several things. it depends on a lot of variables You're blabbering too. Tell me ONE single thing that you needed to flash for your system to work properly again after the hard drive replacement. > regarding hardware, software, and firmware. again, your assumptions lead > you to argue about a wrong conclusion. because it seems you have week logic > skils, i doubt very much that re-reading my original post in this thread > will help you any, and i don't feel like spelling it out for you. You can't spell it out at all. You don't know what you're talking about, and neither does the IT Tech idiot. SignatureHell, tell me this, what size is the cabling in a set of jumper cables? -- punkin > Edith: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > You can't spell it out at all. You don't know what you're talking about, > and neither does the IT Tech idiot. Now I'm an idiot? How about you come down here to AZ and back up all the sh.t you talk you c.nt bitch? How about you come down here and prove that I don't know what I am talking about? You got the balls (not the ones in your mouth) to back up all the sh.t you talk? Yes, I must be a real idiot too, having been able to start my own SUCESSFUL PC buis. punkin: >>Edith: >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Now I'm an idiot? Yes. You'll be an idiot tomorrow too. > How about you come down here to AZ and back up all > the sh.t you talk you c.nt bitch? How about you come down here and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Yes, I must be a real idiot too, having been able to start my own > SUCESSFUL PC buis. Let me guess, you put together hokey "Gaming" PCs with gruesome looking cases and LED fans. SignatureHell, tell me this, what size is the cabling in a set of jumper cables? -- punkin > punkin: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Yes. You'll be an idiot tomorrow too. Only in the eyes of some sorry a.s pathetic cock sucking moron, who like to pretend he/she/it is greater than EVERY one else. I throw out the challange to you again, if you are so much better then me, and I am such an idiot, bring your sorry a.s here and prove it. > > How about you come down here to AZ and back up all > > the sh.t you talk you c.nt bitch? How about you come down here and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Let me guess, you put together hokey "Gaming" PCs with gruesome looking > cases and LED fans. I build what the customer wants and if it is a gaming system than that is what it is. Maybe if you knew more about this stuff you would understand that more people that are into computers are gamers, that more companies produce components specifically designed for this purpose and that this is where the money is. Take a look at the SLI video cards, as an example, made for gaming systems and now being adapted into systems that need higher graphic production abilities. Oh, but I bet you knew that and now I am an idiot. > -- > Hell, tell me this, what size is the cabling in > a set of jumper cables? -- punkin- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - punkin: >>punkin: >>>Now I'm an idiot? >> >>Yes. You'll be an idiot tomorrow too. > > Only in the eyes of some sorry a.s pathetic cock sucking moron, who Who knows you don't have to reflash anything when you install a hard drive. > like to pretend he/she/it is greater than EVERY one else. I throw out > the challange to you again, if you are so much better then me, and I > am such an idiot, bring your sorry a.s here and prove it. Hey, you come over here. I'll stomp you into a gopher hole. And your dog is a punk too, my dog can kick your dog's a.s. SignatureHell, tell me this, what size is the cabling in a set of jumper cables? -- punkin > Let me guess, you put together hokey "Gaming" PCs with gruesome looking > cases and LED fans. That market is heavily saturated with competition with razor thin profit margins. If he has a good company going he must be a pretty good businessman. I never said that I "needed" to install a flash update, moron. In your continuing attempt to belittle me, you showed your ignorance twice in this thread. First by assuming I installed software called "Flash something or other" then you assumed that I thought I needed to install firmware updates. Keeping your firmware at the latest revision is just a precaution. What do you do for a living? I have been in MIS and IT for 27 years. > Edith: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > You can't spell it out at all. You don't know what you're talking about, > and neither does the IT Tech idiot. Edith: > I never said that I "needed" to install a flash update, moron. Okay, the IT tech idiot said you needed to. > In your > continuing attempt to belittle me, you showed your ignorance twice in this > thread. First by assuming I installed software called "Flash something or > other" What other "flash" goes on a hard drive? Adobe/Macromedia Flash, the browser plugin, is the only one that comes to mind, and you were talking about setting up your new hard drive. > then you assumed that I thought I needed to install firmware updates. > Keeping your firmware at the latest revision is just a precaution. > > What do you do for a living? Bask. > I have been in MIS and IT for 27 years. My condolences. :( SignatureHell, tell me this, what size is the cabling in a set of jumper cables? -- punkin I saw in another post the kind of systems you're familier with and it explains a lot about your ignorance. But of course, your self professed desire to be an a.s, coupled with your ignorance, leads you to assumptions, which you then use to be an a.s. It's a self propogating circle. You're a pathetic moron. > Edith: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Bask. In the glow of your own magnificance? >> I have been in MIS and IT for 27 years. > > My condolences. :( No condolences are needed nor requested. I like my career very much. >I saw in another post the kind of systems you're familier with and it >explains a lot about your ignorance. But of course, your self professed >desire to be an a.s, coupled with your ignorance, leads you to assumptions, >which you then use to be an a.s. It's a self propogating circle. You're a >pathetic moron. well.........yeah. i thought that was a given. >> Edith: >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> >No condolences are needed nor requested. I like my career very much. > Edith: > > > I never said that I "needed" to install a flash update, moron. > > Okay, the IT tech idiot said you needed to. Really, care to show me where? You can't because I never said that and I have re-read ever post I have made in this thread concerning this. You are a lying cock sucker and the only way you can do anything is to insult, lie, twist words and when proven wrong, you revert back to your spelling and grammar bullshit. Maybe, just maybe if you were not such an arragent piece of sh.t life you be better for you and you might actually have more firends than your hand and dog. > > Edith: > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > and I have re-read ever post I have made in this thread concerning > this. Dude, you really need to stop and let it die. Talk about feeding the trolls. You are supplying a gourmet along with appetizers, desert, and cigars and brandy afterwards. You did say it and did so in your first post defending Ed. Here is the post: Really! You really don't know sh.t than do you cock breath? News flash cock breath, when you recover from a HDD crash or failure and you are starting from fresh some thing will need to be flashed for the system to work properly again. But f.ck, I'm only an IT Tech what the hell do I know. Sorry Larry, but you are wrong here and I have been a systems admin for 15 years and a programmer for over 20 and I have yet to have to flash anything due to a HDD swap. Now perhaps you just got your terminology wrong and meant to say update to the OS or drivers but that is not a flash. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > > Edith: > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > due to a HDD swap. Now perhaps you just got your terminology wrong and > meant to say update to the OS or drivers but that is not a flash. Well, I personally have had to re-flash some components after recovering from a major failure which forced the PC in question to be down for an extented period of time with no power applied to it. But I am not going to argue with you or the cock sucker about it as according to some in here, I am just an idiot. Whatever f.ck all that actually feel that way. I hate to say it but this group is going to sh.t (again) real fast. There used to be a difference between talking to eachother, flaming in jest and fun, such as with the Torque wrench debat and truly "attacking" some one. Not anymore there isn't. >> > > Edith: >> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >jest and fun, such as with the Torque wrench debat and truly >"attacking" some one. Not anymore there isn't. larry, i think part of what tom has tried to say (maybe not so much this time, but in the past anyway) is simply that it takes two to tangle, so to speak. you can only be attacked if you acknowledge to the op that he (or in sheryl's case it) matters to you enough to upset you. sheryl is a moron. i can't think of anything that it says that should piss you off. when you get pissed, you give people like sheryl the power that they need to keep going. you give some legitimacy to what it says. for me at least, i just give sheryl the creditibility that it deserves (none) and i give the appropriate amount of consideration of what it says (again...none) and move on. sheryl is fun to read, sort of like a horror movie is to watch, but as far as worrying about a thing it says............well, not for me. On Jun 24, 11:33 am, the...@whatever.net wrote: > >> "azwiley1" <wiley...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Actually I will disagree with you about some of what you said. Lets go back to the first time this troll came into the group a few months back. No one knew who this "person" was, this "person" didn't know any of us from Adam, yet, the first thing it did was to flat out attack some one, specifically me. Why, no one knew then, no one knows now. Since that day, it has been nothing but an attack against me in most of my posts, an example would be the alternator post from about a month ago. Sorry, I guess this is where you and I difrer, when some one attacks me, I want to know why. If it is legit, fine, but provide the proof as to why it was necessary in the first place. Example, Snoman, he has been proven time and time again to be dangerous with the info he posts. To me, "protecting" the unknowing is legit. >On Jun 24, 11:33 am, the...@whatever.net wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] >Sorry, I guess this is where you and I difrer, when some one attacks >me, I want to know why. you're right then. we differ on that. personally, i wouldn't care. > If it is legit, fine, but provide the proof >as to why it was necessary in the first place. Example, Snoman, he >has been proven time and time again to be dangerous with the info he >posts. To me, "protecting" the unknowing is legit. On Jun 24, 4:15 pm, the...@whatever.net wrote: > >On Jun 24, 11:33 am, the...@whatever.net wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > > - Show quoted text - and see, we agree on something! <bg> > > > > Edith: > > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > I am not going to argue with you or the cock sucker about it as > according to some in here, I am just an idiot. I don't recall ever calling you an idiot but you are getting a bit thin skinned. You might be an IT tech but that doesn't mean that you know everything. I've been in the business for over 20 years and have worked on PC's from 8086 level to present, AS-400's, RS/600's, Mac's, various Sun machines, Kaypro's, various generics and old propriatary crap and I still know far from everything. You got it wrong, big deal. I used to be like that in here but learned that it simply isn't worth it. > Whatever f.ck all that > actually feel that way. I hate to say it but this group is going to > sh.t (again) real fast. It only happens if you let it. As theguy pointed out and much more clearly than I did, it takes two and if you don't respond, the conversation dies quickly. > There used to be a difference between talking to eachother, flaming in > jest and fun, such as with the Torque wrench debat and truly > "attacking" some one. Not anymore there isn't. What planet have you been on for the past few years. You attack Snowball every chance you get regardless if he is right or wrong and look at the crap that used to go on between me and Budd. It happens and you have a choice, either let it die or keep it going. I used to keep it going because there was no way that cocksucker (insert whatever name here) was going to get the best of me when in reality, all I was doing was wasting my time and feeding the trolls. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving >> > > > Edith: >> > [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > feeding > the trolls. Hmm, there's a lot of truth in what you say. I've walked away a few times, but I still see myself in the > (insert whatever name here) was going to get the > best of me when in reality, all I was doing was wasting my time and > feeding > the trolls. > >> > > > Edith: > >> > [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > > feeding > > the trolls. Yea, me too and even after actively looking to avoid it but at least I have managed to significantly reduce the number of times I let it happen. SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > > >> > "azwiley1" <wiley...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 95 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Oh, and to prove my point about the fact tht I am not WRONG. For all you "experts" go play with a PC using an Abit AN7 motherboard using SATA HDD. Hell take one that is already up and running. Pull out the HDD and install a new one. Guess what, the mobo will not see the SATA device. Take a HDD that alread had Windows loaded on it and access the Recovery tool off the CD to repair the drive, oh, you won't be able to. Want to know why? Because Abit did not put the drivers for the SATA Controller in the BIOS, or anywhere for that matter, so EVERYTIME you want to change the drive or access a drive that is installed for ANY REASON, you have to flash the drivers for the SATA controller. Now, tell me I am wrong and I will tell you right now f.ck off, I have that EXACT very set up and I know this to be fact. punkin: >>>>>>>> Edith: >> [quoted text clipped - 105 lines] > Now, tell me I am wrong and I will tell you right now f.ck off, I > have that EXACT very set up and I know this to be fact. SATA drivers are copied the hard disk. You don't "flash" them. Press "Delete" while booting to enter the setup screen, you can redetect and manually configure drives there. That stuff is stored on a CMOS chip, backed up by a CR2032 battery. You probably have a dead battery and everything is lost when you unplug your power supply. My NF7 with XP-M 2600+ can kick your AN7's a.s, and run cooler doing it. And you're an idiot. SignatureHell, tell me this, what size is the cabling in a set of jumper cables? -- punkin > punkin: > [quoted text clipped - 121 lines] > > - Show quoted text - What ever cock breath. You are wrong about this pertaining to the AN7 board, but you won't admit it and I bet you haven't configed a system using one. f.ck off you ignorant f.ck. punkin: >>punkin: >>>>>>>>>>Edith: [quoted text clipped - 124 lines] > > What ever cock breath. You are wrong about this pertaining to the AN7 Wrong about what? There's SATA code included in BIOS, but you don't need to reflash that again every time you change the drive. > board, but you won't admit it and I bet you haven't configed a system > using one. f.ck off you ignorant f.ck. Abit NF7-S rev.2 and Abit AN7 are almost identical boards. Only difference that I'm aware of is the uGuru chip feature of the AN7, which reportedly isn't all that slick anyway. And there are more more NF7 enthusiasts, and more custom BIOSes for the NF7 than for the later AN7. I've overclocked mine, underclocked it, played with the different FSB/RAM ratios, memory timings, voltages I want for the CPU and other stuff, disabled features that I don't use, etc. Now I'm happy and I'm all finished dorking around with it. Go join the abit user forums and learn about your AN7 board. Newbies are welcome there. :-) http://forum.abit-usa.com/ SignatureHell, tell me this, what size is the cabling in a set of jumper cables? -- punkin > punkin: > >>punkin: [quoted text clipped - 128 lines] > Wrong about what? There's SATA code included in BIOS, but you don't need > to reflash that again every time you change the drive. True, but there was a bios setting that needed to be changed to correct this problem. > > board, but you won't admit it and I bet you haven't configed a system > > using one. f.ck off you ignorant f.ck. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > reportedly isn't all that slick anyway. And there are more more NF7 > enthusiasts, and more custom BIOSes for the NF7 than for the later AN7. The AN7 has a slightly different layout and was faster in some testing but the difference between them was said to be undetectable in real life situations. > I've overclocked mine, underclocked it, played with the different > FSB/RAM ratios, memory timings, voltages I want for the CPU and other [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://forum.abit-usa.com/ SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving > "Beryl" <terrapin@coolbits.net> wrote in message >>Wrong about what? There's SATA code included in BIOS, but you don't need >>to reflash that again every time you change the drive. > > True, but there was a bios setting that needed to be changed to correct this > problem. Eh, so many computer geeks surfaced here. I don't know what setting needs to be changed. Punkin doesn't know that there are any BIOS settings. Help him out. SignatureHell, tell me this, what size is the cabling in a set of jumper cables? -- punkin > > > >> > "azwiley1" <wiley...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 103 lines] > the Recovery tool off the CD to repair the drive, oh, you won't be > able to. If the system cannot see a new device, especially if an existing one of the same type was seen, then either the new device is defective or there is a bios or bois setting problem. Once the bios is flashed with a newer version, then that version remains, even after a power down or a device swap (short of the MB itself). Why would you need to use the recovery tool to repair a drive that has windows already installed on it and if the system cannot see it, then there is no way for the recovery tool to see it either as it gets that info from the system. If you are talking about a windows install from a different system, the recovery tool will not help you and you need to use the installer in repair mode to try and make the required changes. > Want to know why? Because Abit did not put the drivers for the SATA > Controller in the BIOS, or anywhere for that matter, so EVERYTIME you > want to change the drive or access a drive that is installed for ANY > REASON, you have to flash the drivers for the SATA controller. Do you even realize just how stupid this sounds? Do you really believe that they are going to put out their premiere gaming board with SATA capability and then put no method to access them on the board???? LOL! &nb |
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