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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / July 2007

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tranny shift issue on 2003 3/4 ton w/ 5.9 cummins

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robc@robcoleman.ca - 16 Jul 2007 06:26 GMT
My torque converter lock up feels like it is engaging and disengaging
repeatedly from 40 miles an hour on up.  Sometimes it does this every
few seconds, sometimes it locks up for a few seconds and some times it
seems like only a split second but it never stays locked for more than
15 seconds.  If I let the truck shift into O/D...it will only stay
briefly as the torque convertor disengages and drops the thing into
3rd again. I tested cruise control and it drops out as well....makes
sense..sort of.

The truck seems to shift properly from a stop, thru first, second and
third without issue.....this only starts once I get up around 45 or
so.

Chrysler service center has no idea so I took it to AAMCO......AAMCO
is spending a lot of time diligently checking everything, (they've had
it for a week)so far no success although they can see the pressure at
the torque convertor clutch drops off to 30 PSI when the problem
occurs.  Someone from Chrysler said it is likely a problem with the
Throttle Position Sensor but the guys at AAMCO say it doesn't have
one...(not sure as I'm with them on that....can anyone tell me where
it is located if it has one...and what it looks like).

Needless to say, when I'm driving, especially if I'm towing my
trailer, I need to leave O/D turned off to minimize the carnage but
the torque converter clutch engages and disengages every few seconds,
repeatedly, for the whole trip.......up hill, on the flat,
accelerating, you name it.

Any ideas anyone.

Rob
Marsh Monster - 16 Jul 2007 08:35 GMT
On Jul 16, 12:26?am, r...@robcoleman.ca wrote:
> My torque converter lock up feels like it is engaging and disengaging
> repeatedly from 40 miles an hour on up.  Sometimes it does this every
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>
> Rob

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APS signal problem

Generator creating AC noise in the DC Bus

Valve Body worn

Bad Pressure sensor on the tranny

a guess, only a guess, in case of a real emergency..........
contact a professional............

or.........remember........

google is yer friend

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Tom Lawrence - 16 Jul 2007 11:48 GMT
> Someone from Chrysler said it is likely a problem with the
> Throttle Position Sensor

Yes, a faulty TPS (technically called an APPS, Accelerator Pedal Position
Sensor, in that model year) is certainly in the top 5 possibilities.

> but the guys at AAMCO say it doesn't have one...(not sure as I'm with them
> on that....can anyone tell me where
> it is located if it has one...and what it looks like).

That would worry me, because yes, there absolutely is one.  Look on the
driver's side of the engine, at the front.  There will be a black plastic
shroud, round at the front.  Under that is the APPS - it's got two throttle
cables going to it, one from the pedal in the cab, and one from the
transmission, and an electrical harness.  If you don't find it there, then
it's located under the driver's side battery box (very late-model '03s
relocated the APPS to this location).

> Any ideas anyone.

Several.  First, check the ECM ground - remove the ECM (silver box with
three big connectors on it, passenger side firewall), and clean the are
around the screw holes (it grounds itself through the case).  You can also
run a wire from the ECM mounting screw directly to the battery negative.
Also check the body ground behind the passenger side battery.  Again, make
sure you have true metal-to-metal contact on the ground terminal.  Finally,
find the wire from the alternator to the passenger-side battery positive
terminal, and wrap it in aluminum foil.  Strange as it sounds, electrical
noise from the alternator can interfere with the PCM.

With the electrical grounding/noise problems addressed, if you still have
the problem, check the APPS sensor for any kind of erratic behavior (your
tranny shop should be able to do this, once you show them where it's
located).  Check the brake switch to make sure it's not the cause of the
problem.
Nosey - 16 Jul 2007 12:40 GMT
> Finally, find the wire from the alternator
> to the passenger-side battery positive terminal, and wrap it in
> aluminum foil.  Strange as it sounds, electrical noise from the
> alternator can interfere with the PCM.

When wrapping this wire keep the foil away from the connectors on the ends
of the wire. You don't want the foil to be energized. After wrapping the
wire with foil, cover it with electrical tape. That will help keep
everything in place, and it will look much nicer too.
Signature

Ken

mcse2001@gmail.com - 16 Jul 2007 16:58 GMT
On Jul 16, 3:48 am, "Tom Lawrence"
<tNlOaSwPrAeMnMcIe...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Someone from Chrysler said it is likely a problem with the
> > Throttle Position Sensor
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> located).  Check the brake switch to make sure it's not the cause of the
> problem.

I think I should have started here in the newsgorup rather than
buggering around with the dealership and
tranny shop.........thanks for all the great info....now I've got
something to do tonight.

Thanks ...Rob
dirtclod - 20 Jul 2007 17:53 GMT
On Jul 16, 10:58 am, mcse2...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 16, 3:48 am, "Tom Lawrence"
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I had the same problems with my 2000 CTD 4x4 and I did exactly what
Tom and Marsh Monster told me to and it worked like a charm.  The foil
worked for me and I added a noise reducer  inline on the APPS  wire to
the ECM.  I got it from BD Power, around $7.00 plus s/h, takes 15 min
to install.
Marsh Monster - 22 Jul 2007 13:20 GMT
> I had the same problems with my 2000 CTD 4x4 and I did exactly what
> Tom and Marsh Monster told me to and it worked like a charm.  The foil
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be advised.............

Tom is currently on "Yard Bird" watchlist...........

and me..........

well............

you git what you pay for

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