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2002 Dakota heavy payload brake smell?
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marksegal@optonline.net - 09 Aug 2007 02:32 GMT I am not a truck person so I apologize if I don't make much sense. Either way..... I have a 2002 Dakota V6 4x4 (SXT) that I got used about 6 months ago. One time I overloaded the truck. When I got it home, a smell of burning brakes(?) was coming from it. Although I haven't done that again, when I am carrying anything of a decent weight (400+ lbs) I smell that smell again to a certain extent.
1. What's going on? 2. What did I do? 3. How do I fix it? What do I tell the mechanic to check?
Thanks!
.boB - 09 Aug 2007 03:10 GMT > I am not a truck person so I apologize if I don't make much sense. > Either way..... I have a 2002 Dakota V6 4x4 (SXT) that I got used [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Thanks! Do you have a clutch? Brake and clutch often smell the same. If it is brakes, take them apart and see what they look like. Are the pads glazed? the rotor scorched and blued? Dirt and oil on the drums?
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marksegal@optonline.net - 09 Aug 2007 11:10 GMT > markse...@optonline.net wrote: > > I am not a truck person so I apologize if I don't make much sense. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > 1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver > 1965 FFR Cobra - 427W EFI, Damn Fast. It is an automatic, so no clutch. It's the same type of smell though.
Another thing that I notice is, the heavier the payload, the less travel I have on the brake pedal. I don't know if that is a safety feature (reduction of brake time/making the brakes more sensitive).
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.boB - 09 Aug 2007 16:06 GMT > It is an automatic, so no clutch. It's the same type of smell though. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks! Hmmm, that's a tough one. No built in safety feature like that. The only real differance between empty and loaded is the height of the suspension. Check and see of a line is pinched (doubtfull). Also check the emergency brake cables. See if they are getting stretched when loaded. That would activate the parking brake.
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TBone - 09 Aug 2007 16:20 GMT > > It is an automatic, so no clutch. It's the same type of smell though. > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > brake cables. See if they are getting stretched when > loaded. That would activate the parking brake. I would also look at the rear axles and bearings.
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marksegal@optonline.net - 09 Aug 2007 18:22 GMT > > markse...@optonline.net wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > -- > If at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving LOL! Love the tag at the end!
I like the parking brake idea mentioned as it would fit the smell issue. Now I will show real ignorance here.... Would issues with the axles/bearings cause a smell when put under stress? I would think not, but I don't know.
Regarding axles/bearings....anything I should look for?
And since we're at it... Like I said, I am new to trucks as a whole? Besides getting a Chilton guide for this truck, is there any book that anyone recommend I get? I don't want to be the next Dodge guru, but I would really like to know more about my ride.
Thanks!!!
TBone - 10 Aug 2007 16:47 GMT > > > markse...@optonline.net wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > axles/bearings cause a smell when put under stress? I would think > not, but I don't know. It is not the bearings that are making the smell but if they are on the way out, the hub could be shifting due to the weight and changing the alignment between the drum and the shoes causing them to drag and cook. Granted, this cousl be a real reach but it is a possibility.
> Regarding axles/bearings....anything I should look for? Make sure that they still move freely and that there is no play or shifting of the hub. I would also look for what Tom suggested because if you have one, that would be your most likely cause of your problems.
> And since we're at it... Like I said, I am new to trucks as a whole? > Besides getting a Chilton guide for this truck, is there any book that > anyone recommend I get? I don't want to be the next Dodge guru, but I > would really like to know more about my ride. The Factory service manual is your best bet there. Once you learn how to follow the damn thing, it can be your best friend when it comes to the nuts and bolts of your vehicle.
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.boB - 11 Aug 2007 16:15 GMT > I like the parking brake idea mentioned as it would fit the smell > issue. Now I will show real ignorance here.... Would issues with the > axles/bearings cause a smell when put under stress? I would think > not, but I don't know. Possibly. That's kind of a stretch, but certainly not impossible.
> Regarding axles/bearings....anything I should look for? Make sure you have enough fluid in the diff. Jack up the rear and shake the tires. They shouldn't be loose.
> And since we're at it... Like I said, I am new to trucks as a whole? > Besides getting a Chilton guide for this truck, is there any book that > anyone recommend I get? I don't want to be the next Dodge guru, but I > would really like to know more about my ride. Chiltons isn't bad. But I bought the factory service manual. More expensive, but much more detailed.
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SnoMan - 09 Aug 2007 18:25 GMT >> > It is an automatic, so no clutch. It's the same type of smell though. >> > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >I would also look at the rear axles and bearings. I would not waste time with axles and bearings. It simple sounds like user uses brakes aggressively and when extra weight is in the truck it takes more brake friction to stop it and this results in more heat which can overheat brakes and cause odor. The solution is get a bigger truck, install bigger brakes, carry less load or brake more conservatily when carrying extra weight. Do not waste time witch hunting for other problems (like axles and bearing) that is not likely your problem anyway because it only does it overloaded. (if bearing were bad and axles leaking it woul effect braking all the time. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com
marksegal@optonline.net - 09 Aug 2007 19:42 GMT > >> markse...@optonline.net wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com The user....being me...doesn't hit the breaks too hard at all when carrying a heavy load. The last time this occurred, I was carrying no more than about 400 1lbs in the bed. I could definitely feel the travel reduced in the brake pedal, even with that load being what it was.
However, to your point, I only notice the smell when I have a decent amount of weight in the back (over a few hundred lbs). When the bed is empty or there is minimal weight, there's no smell and brake pedal travel seems normal.
Tom Lawrence - 09 Aug 2007 20:54 GMT > However, to your point, I only notice the smell when I have a decent > amount of weight in the back (over a few hundred lbs). When the bed > is empty or there is minimal weight, there's no smell and brake pedal > travel seems normal. I'll agree with Snoman (to a point) about suspecting the e-brake. Simple test... with the truck loaded, jack up the rear (just one wheel if you have an open diff - if you have a limited slip, you'll need to raise both rear tires), and with the truck in neutral, see if the rear wheels will turn freely.
Or, you can simply disconnect the e-brake cable at the adjuster (along the driver's side frame rail, about half-way between the cab and the rear axle). Loosen the adjuster nut until you can disconnect the cable. Tie it up so it doesn't drag, and test-drive the truck. You can also crawl under the truck and take a good look at the e-brake cable, then have a few friends jump in the bed, and see if the cable tightens up or is otherwise fouled.
As for the comments about getting a bigger truck (no doubt with a big-block gas engine, and super-low gearing in the rear axle), well... ignore that part. An '02 Dak is more than capable of hauling 400lbs. of cargo.
Another thought... does your truck have a load-sensing proportioning valve? Follow the flexible brake hose from the rear axle up to the frame rail. If there's a valve mounted there with an arm, and a rod that runs down to the axle, that's a proportioning valve. If you do have one, I'd also throw some suspicion that way (and, in fact, that's the more likely culprit than an e-brake cable getting hung up). That valve's job is to sense the amount of weight in the bed, and allow progressively more brake pressure to the rear brakes as the load increases. It's possible that this valve is holding residual pressure in the system, and causing your rear brakes to drag.
Of course, if you don't have the valve described above, ignore the comment.
SnoMan - 10 Aug 2007 20:03 GMT >As for the comments about getting a bigger truck (no doubt with a big-block >gas engine, and super-low gearing in the rear axle), well... ignore that >part. An '02 Dak is more than capable of hauling 400lbs. of cargo. If this dakota has oversized tires, brake capacity is in fact reduced and would take less weight to overload brakes. Also brakes are not that genrous on some models because small SUV's do not have the same federal braking standards as cars. My 89 4x4 burg has always had what I consider to be marginal brakes since it was new. If you use brake gentely it is not a problem but if you have to set it down hard from speed the brakes complain. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com
Tom Lawrence - 10 Aug 2007 20:39 GMT > If this dakota has oversized tires, brake capacity is in fact reduced So where did you read that he has oversized tires?
> federal braking standards as cars. My 89 4x4 burg has always had what > I consider to be marginal brakes since it was new. Yet another example from over 15 years ago.
> If you use brake gentely it is not a problem Right - like the OP stated he did
> but if you have to set it down hard from speed the brakes complain. And if your aunt had balls.... why don't you stop inventing all kinds of scenarios, and stick to the facts? This is the second time you've recommended that someone tradein their vehicle. The first was someone with a bad rear wheel speed sensor, and now it's a guy with a 1/2-ton truck trying to haul 400lbs. of cargo.
And you wonder why you're held in such contempt around here??
Roy - 10 Aug 2007 21:34 GMT >> If this dakota has oversized tires, brake capacity is in fact reduced > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Yet another example from over 15 years ago. Okay! Ya both have me on this. WTF is a "burg"??
Chris Thompson - 10 Aug 2007 23:57 GMT In response to Roy 's post. I thought everyone should know:
>>> If this dakota has oversized tires, brake capacity is in fact reduced >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Okay! Ya both have me on this. WTF is a "burg"?? a suburban....
im ashamed to say that i was able to follow his trash though
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SnoMan - 10 Aug 2007 21:41 GMT >> If this dakota has oversized tires, brake capacity is in fact reduced > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Yet another example from over 15 years ago. You realy act like a child somethimes looking to start something
>> If you use brake gentely it is not a problem > >Right - like the OP stated he did And....
>> but if you have to set it down hard from speed the brakes complain. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >a bad rear wheel speed sensor, and now it's a guy with a 1/2-ton truck >trying to haul 400lbs. of cargo. Toadya trcks are more car than truck so do not even start to argue with me that it is built tough and 400 lbs is a piece of cake for it
>And you wonder why you're held in such contempt around here?? I am held in contempt by insecure persons like yourself that are offended when somebody goes against their current. Some like you never seem to grow up. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com
Roy - 10 Aug 2007 22:02 GMT >>> If this dakota has oversized tires, brake capacity is in fact reduced >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > I am held in contempt by insecure persons like yourself that are > offended when somebody goes against their current. You are held in contempt by people in every news group you post on! Why? Because you have a history of posting dangerous information, wrong information, outdated information and just plan mindnumbing nonsense.
Now WTF is a "burg"???????????????????
Tom Lawrence - 10 Aug 2007 22:50 GMT > Now WTF is a "burg"??????????????????? I think he meant a Suburban (just guessing... I'm not very fluent in Snoese). What I want to know is, WTF is a "Toadya trck"?
aarcuda69062 - 10 Aug 2007 23:24 GMT In article <46bcdd95$0$62304$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.octanews.com>,
> > Now WTF is a "burg"??????????????????? > > I think he meant a Suburban (just guessing... I'm not very fluent in > Snoese). What I want to know is, WTF is a "Toadya trck"? Damn, BMTI...
Chris Thompson - 11 Aug 2007 00:02 GMT In response to Tom Lawrence 's post. I thought everyone should know:
>> Now WTF is a "burg"??????????????????? > > I think he meant a Suburban (just guessing... I'm not very fluent in > Snoese). What I want to know is, WTF is a "Toadya trck"? taking a stab but maybe a toyota truck?
still dont know what the hell a toyota has to do with a dodge dakota but heck he probably could tell the diff if he got hit by each of them.
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Nosey - 11 Aug 2007 02:41 GMT >> Now WTF is a "burg"??????????????????? > > I think he meant a Suburban (just guessing... I'm not very fluent in > Snoese). What I want to know is, WTF is a "Toadya trck"? That's what the repo man says after you don't make a few loan payments. "Ya waz bee hind on yer pay-mints, so we toad ya trck."
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Roy - 11 Aug 2007 03:42 GMT >> Now WTF is a "burg"??????????????????? > > I think he meant a Suburban (just guessing... I'm not very fluent in > Snoese). What I want to know is, WTF is a "Toadya trck"? No, no, no!! You people don't pay attention!!! The IDIOT has been beating us to death for quite some time with stories of some indestructable "BURB" Now we have a "BURG" Gotta be some new snow plow truck he just invented. Wait a minute! Remember that the friggin rabbit spent his vacation with the Idiot and they had "the machine"? Well with the rabbits love for WC sliders or "burger's", maybe the Idiot wants some WC and is saying "burg" Snoese for burger maybe?
aarcuda69062 - 10 Aug 2007 23:24 GMT > You are held in contempt by people in every news group you post on! Why? > Because you have a history of posting dangerous information, wrong > information, outdated information and just plan mindnumbing nonsense. > > Now WTF is a "burg"??????????????????? What the hell is a "Toadya trcks?"
Beryl - 11 Aug 2007 22:26 GMT >>If this dakota has oversized tires, brake capacity is in fact reduced > > So where did you read that he has oversized tires? *If* says it's speculation.
Where did you read that Snoman suspected the e-brake? "I'll agree with Snoman (to a point) about suspecting the e-brake."
>>federal braking standards as cars. My 89 4x4 burg has always had what >>I consider to be marginal brakes since it was new. > > Yet another example from over 15 years ago. A vehicle standard was the example. The age of the 4x4 burg is irrelevant.
>>If you use brake gentely it is not a problem > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > And if your aunt had balls.... why don't you stop inventing all kinds of > scenarios, and stick to the facts? "Another thought... does your truck have a load-sensing proportioning valve?"
Since you don't know if the Dakota even has that valve, can we say you invented it?
> This is the second time you've > recommended that someone tradein their vehicle. "The solution is get a bigger truck, install bigger brakes, carry less load or brake more conservatily when carrying extra weight."
That's a tradein recommendation?
> The first was someone with > a bad rear wheel speed sensor, Now _that_ was a good example of bad advice. You ought to stick to the good examples.
> and now it's a guy with a 1/2-ton truck > trying to haul 400lbs. of cargo. > > And you wonder why you're held in such contempt around here?? I wonder why azwiley1 isn't.
Tom Lawrence - 12 Aug 2007 04:27 GMT Go find someone else to play with... no interest here.
Beryl - 12 Aug 2007 09:47 GMT > Go find someone else to play with... no interest here. Is there some problem with what I wrote?
Beryl - 12 Aug 2007 09:48 GMT > ... and now it's a guy with a 1/2-ton truck > trying to haul 400lbs. of cargo. "One time I overloaded the truck. When I got it home, a smell of burning brakes(?) was coming from it."
aarcuda69062 - 10 Aug 2007 23:22 GMT > If this dakota has oversized tires, brake capacity is in fact reduced > and would take less weight to overload brakes. Also brakes are not [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com Who does your brake work?
FMB - 11 Aug 2007 01:16 GMT >> If this dakota has oversized tires, brake capacity is in fact reduced >> and would take less weight to overload brakes. Also brakes are not [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Who does your brake work? Who else? The same person that does his knock sensors...
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