Not sure if the title was the best way to phrase that
Looking for a close ratio 3500 for a swap into my 98 5.9 ZJ Jeep. Th
closest ratio NV3500s are the 3500HD and the Ram 2500LD 2WD 3500.
(The regular NV3500 in the Ram 4WD 1500s is wider than those tw
applications)
Pretty sure there are compatibility issues with the HD trans.
believe it will not fit the 5.9 Magnum style motors. I know som
people say they are behind 5.2s in Rams but other people (Includin
New Venture) say they are not.
Like all the info I get, for every good answer on one forum there i
someone on another forum or another reply that contradicts it
So, here's the deal:
I know the NV3500 has the integral bellhousing and splits in th
middle for rebuilding. Would it be possible to split the 3500HD an
put it back together with the front section from a 3500 that came of
a 5.2 motor?
How much of a 2WD 3500 would have to be swapped to use it with a 4W
tailshaft housing?
I found a pic of the 3500 here
http://www.motivegear.com/tech_info/tranny_guide/tranny_guide.html
It shows the 3500 tailshaft housing is the whole back half so I'
asking the same thing but wondering if the back half or a 4WD 350
will mate with the internals and front half of the 2WD close rati
3500.
Also wondering if the 3500 HD internals can go into the 3500 4W
halves
Seems like it should but you never know
Still going two steps forward, one step back on this swap info!
Every time I learn more, I learn this is also more to learn! :-
Max Dodge - 13 Aug 2007 13:35 GMT
> Pretty sure there are compatibility issues with the HD trans. I
> believe it will not fit the 5.9 Magnum style motors. I know some
> people say they are behind 5.2s in Rams but other people (Including
> New Venture) say they are not.
Thats incorrect. The NV3500 was behind the 318/5.2 in all V8 five speed
Rams. According to the "books", all 5.9/360's got the NV4500, if they got
5spd's at all. Some years did not have that option.
> Like all the info I get, for every good answer on one forum there is
> someone on another forum or another reply that contradicts it.
Very true. Your best source would be to find a salvage yard that will help
you determine what was where with its Hollander manuals.
> So, here's the deal:
>
> I know the NV3500 has the integral bellhousing and splits in the
> middle for rebuilding. Would it be possible to split the 3500HD and
> put it back together with the front section from a 3500 that came off
> a 5.2 motor?
No need, the block mating surface of the 5.2 and 5.9 are identicle. Only
change you'll need to make is the flywheel, since the 5.9 is externally
balanced, whilethe 5.2 is internally balanced.
> How much of a 2WD 3500 would have to be swapped to use it with a 4WD
> tailshaft housing?
> I found a pic of the 3500 here:
> http://www.motivegear.com/tech_info/tranny_guide/tranny_guide.html
You would have to rebuild the entire trans with a 4WD tailshaft and
tailshaft housing. To get the right parts, you'd need a 4WD trans to make
the 2WD trans into 4WD. Then, you may have issues as far as the ratios. Once
again, you may be better off finding someone who will open the parts books
and do the research.
> It shows the 3500 tailshaft housing is the whole back half so I'm
> asking the same thing but wondering if the back half or a 4WD 3500
> will mate with the internals and front half of the 2WD close ratio
> 3500.
See above.
> Also wondering if the 3500 HD internals can go into the 3500 4WD
> halves.
>
> Seems like it should but you never know!
They will physically fit, but will the ratios work? Find a good parts
person!!!
> Still going two steps forward, one step back on this swap info!
> Every time I learn more, I learn this is also more to learn! :-)
Welcome to the world of trans swaps. Again, your most reliable info is in
the parts books, not here.

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TBone - 13 Aug 2007 18:38 GMT
> > Pretty sure there are compatibility issues with the HD trans. I
> > believe it will not fit the 5.9 Magnum style motors. I know some
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> Thats incorrect. The NV3500 was behind the 318/5.2 in all V8 five speed
> Rams.
While the NV3500 was behind the 318 in the V8 1500 Rams, the NV3500HD was
NOT.
> According to the "books", all 5.9/360's got the NV4500, if they got
> 5spd's at all. Some years did not have that option.
Only in the 2500 and 3500 series and IIRC, the 318 was not available at all
in those lines. What years did not give the option of a 360 5 speed in the
2500 or 3500 series?

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Z88Z - 14 Aug 2007 05:19 GMT
> Z88Z wrote
> Not sure if the title was the best way to phrase that
>
> Looking for a close ratio 3500 for a swap into my 98 5.9 ZJ Jeep.
The closest ratio NV3500s are the 3500HD and the Ram 2500LD 2WD 3500
> (The regular NV3500 in the Ram 4WD 1500s is wider than those tw
applications)
> Pretty sure there are compatibility issues with the HD trans.
believe it will not fit the 5.9 Magnum style motors. I know som
people say they are behind 5.2s in Rams but other people (Includin
New Venture) say they are not.
> Like all the info I get, for every good answer on one forum ther
is someone on another forum or another reply that contradicts it
> So, here's the deal:
>
> I know the NV3500 has the integral bellhousing and splits in th
middle for rebuilding. Would it be possible to split the 3500HD an
put it back together with the front section from a 3500 that came of
a 5.2 motor?
> How much of a 2WD 3500 would have to be swapped to use it with
4WD tailshaft housing?
> I found a pic of the 3500 here
http://www.motivegear.com/tech_info/tranny_guide/tranny_guide.html
> It shows the 3500 tailshaft housing is the whole back half so I'
asking the same thing but wondering if the back half or a 4WD 350
will mate with the internals and front half of the 2WD close rati
3500.
> Also wondering if the 3500 HD internals can go into the 3500 4W
halves
> Seems like it should but you never know
>
> Still going two steps forward, one step back on this swap info!
> Every time I learn more, I learn this is also more to learn
:-
Max - Your 5.2/5.9 trans an
flywheel info agrees with what I have EXCEPT for the HD trans part
What [b:9f0a0c5272]TBone[/b:9f0a0c5272] wrote is correct as far as m
research shows. The NV3500 and the 3500HD are entirely differen
animals. The HD was only behind the 4.0 (straight 6 cyl I think
which has a different bellhousing bolt pattern. Evidently som
people think they have HDs behind their 5.2s but (according to on
post) New Venture themselves said this was never an option
According to this site there are actually three 3500 models
http://dodgeram.org/tech/transmission/nv3500_spec.htm The regula
3500 (4WD?), the 3500HD and a 2WD 3500 that isn't the HD but ha
closer ratios than the other 3500
The 3500 from say, a 5.2 4WD Ram has a wider ratio first gear ratio o
4.01. The 3500HD from a 4.0 Jeep (not sure which Dodge) and the 350
2WD from a Ram 2500 Light Duty have a Close ratio 3.49 first. That'
the main reason I'm staying away from the NV4500. First is 5.61!
There is also a size issue that can involve cutting when using th
4500. Darn shame as it's considered more reliable than the 35x
series
So, the 1st gear ratio I want is not available in a 3500 tran
"body" that I can use. Hence, I'm looking to see if th
case halves and/or internals are interchangeable
I think the safest bet is to contact New Venture myself. I don'
think anybody else would have this info with the exception of someon
that rebuilds trannys for a living
As far as the gear ratios I'm not really sure what you mean, unles
you are talking about the 4WD output shaft maybe not matching the 2W
internals. Other than that if I swap all the internals it won'
matter. The gears themselves are what I'm after.
The only issue is matching the output shaft splines to the Tcas
input but that shouldn't be too hard. The HD was 4WD so that wil
work. If I go the other way and use the 4WD back half and outpu
shaft I can use the Tcase that came with that trans
I would also have to use a clutch disc that matches the HD inpu
shaft under a pressure plate that fits
The problem would be if there were different mountings for th
internals or radically different lengths
Now.. I may end up going with the 5.2 4WD NV3500 anyway if the othe
stuff gets too crazy or isn't do-able. That 4.01 ratio isn't reall
a deal breaker, I'd just prefer the 3.49
I'm mainly trying to find out any or all options available. N
matter what I finally end up doing, I want to at least be able t
discuss it intelligently if I run across anyone wanting info about
the same swap.
This info wasn't that easy to get. On the Jeep forums I only ran
into one swap into a V8 ZJ Jeep for the street use and two built for
offroad use.
[b:9f0a0c5272]TBone[/b:9f0a0c5272] - Not sure if maybe Max is basing
his info (5.9s not available with 5spds some years) on some of the
same stuff I ran across, Checking out PCM prices on different auto
parts sites I almost came to the same conclusion re no 5.9 5spd some
years.
Certain sources didn't show some 5spd parts like PCMs for - IIRC -
97/98 or 98/99 5.9s. I got so confused I called a local Chrysler
dealer and had the parts dept check, they confirmed there was a 98
5.9 5spd available.
Thanks again folks - John
TBone - 14 Aug 2007 13:32 GMT
> [b:9f0a0c5272]TBone[/b:9f0a0c5272] - Not sure if maybe Max is basing
> his info (5.9s not available with 5spds some years) on some of the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> dealer and had the parts dept check, they confirmed there was a 98
> 5.9 5spd available.
I was just curious as to what years DC or Dodge itself did not offer the 5
speed. I know that there were some versions of the P/U that it was not
offered with but the basic truck came with standard shift standard and the
automatic was an additional cost option. Of course, trying to find one with
a standard shift that they were supposed to come with on the lot is just
about impossible since most Americans are fat and lazy when it comes to
driving but such is life.

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Z88Z - 14 Aug 2007 18:51 GMT
> Z88Z wrote
> Not sure if the title was the best way to phrase that
>
> Looking for a close ratio 3500 for a swap into my 98 5.9 ZJ Jeep.
The closest ratio NV3500s are the 3500HD and the Ram 2500LD 2WD 3500
> (The regular NV3500 in the Ram 4WD 1500s is wider than those tw
applications)
> Pretty sure there are compatibility issues with the HD trans.
believe it will not fit the 5.9 Magnum style motors. I know som
people say they are behind 5.2s in Rams but other people (Includin
New Venture) say they are not.
> Like all the info I get, for every good answer on one forum ther
is someone on another forum or another reply that contradicts it
> So, here's the deal:
>
> I know the NV3500 has the integral bellhousing and splits in th
middle for rebuilding. Would it be possible to split the 3500HD an
put it back together with the front section from a 3500 that came of
a 5.2 motor?
> How much of a 2WD 3500 would have to be swapped to use it with
4WD tailshaft housing?
> I found a pic of the 3500 here
http://www.motivegear.com/tech_info/tranny_guide/tranny_guide.html
> It shows the 3500 tailshaft housing is the whole back half so I'
asking the same thing but wondering if the back half or a 4WD 350
will mate with the internals and front half of the 2WD close rati
3500.
> Also wondering if the 3500 HD internals can go into the 3500 4W
halves
> Seems like it should but you never know
>
> Still going two steps forward, one step back on this swap info!
> Every time I learn more, I learn this is also more to learn
:-
TBone - Yup you're right. The 5spds in general are no
too common
Not sure where you're from but up here in New England we have th
Want Advertiser. Greatest thing going for buying or selling cars
trucks, parts or anything else from guns to furniture for tha
matter
Under Dodge trucks - approx two pages, about 100 entries, a lot o
them don't even list what kind of transmission they have because the
figure everyone has automatics
I mostly see 3.9 and 5.2 5 speeds. 5.9 5spds are much less common
Luckily there are transmission available
I am hoping to get a donor truck though so I can sell the leftover
and save some money on the swap but there aren't too many of thos
available locally