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Howard Page - 17 Aug 2007 05:04 GMT
My 04 Hemi quad cab 4x4 is averaging 9-10 miles around town at best and not
a heck of alot more on the highway.  I have modified it as follows. K&N cold
air intake system ,Gibson dual extreme exhaust system. Tonneau cover. I did
add a set of BFG All Terrain TA/Ko tires. The tires are 265 size up from 245
70/17 I think about an inch taller and inch wider.  I don't go peeling out
at lights or really pushing it. Is this common or should I be checking
something? Truck has about 35k on the speedo. It's a beautiful truck but gas
mileage sucks big time.
Nosey - 17 Aug 2007 12:42 GMT
> My 04 Hemi quad cab 4x4 is averaging 9-10 miles around town at best
> and not a heck of alot more on the highway.  I have modified it as
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> has about 35k on the speedo. It's a beautiful truck but gas mileage
> sucks big time.

If your tires are an inch taller than stock, you are travelling farther than
what the odometer says (and faster than what the speedometer says). Your
mileage probably isn't quite as bad as you think.
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Howard Page - 17 Aug 2007 13:04 GMT
The good folks at the local Dodge Dealership  Foss Motors in Exeter,NH
reset the computer for the new tires.  At a cost of $40-50.00  I'm getting
my info from the overhead computer.  The truck runs good and has plenty of
power.  Does anyone know if the computer they use to reset the trucks
computer is the same one that other garages have or is it a propriety system
that only Dodge has for Dodge vehicles.  He plugged it in under the dash.
I'll also check for info at www.dodgetruckworld.  I'm a member of the NH
chapter.   Thanks  hpage3
>> My 04 Hemi quad cab 4x4 is averaging 9-10 miles around town at best
>> and not a heck of alot more on the highway.  I have modified it as
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> than what the odometer says (and faster than what the speedometer says).
> Your mileage probably isn't quite as bad as you think.
Ed H. - 17 Aug 2007 22:56 GMT
The overhead display MPG is known to be inaccurate, use real world miles
traveled vs. gallons burned.

> The good folks at the local Dodge Dealership  Foss Motors in Exeter,NH
> reset the computer for the new tires.  At a cost of $40-50.00  I'm getting
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>> than what the odometer says (and faster than what the speedometer says).
>> Your mileage probably isn't quite as bad as you think.
Chris Thompson - 18 Aug 2007 02:55 GMT
In response to Ed H. 's post. I thought everyone should know:

> The overhead display MPG is known to be inaccurate, use real world miles
> traveled vs. gallons burned.

Yes they are, but this one sounds close enough to me. my 8.0L got about 8
to 10 mpg 11 if i was real nice.....but yall know me, im not that nice =)

several friends with the 5.2 and 5.9 are claiming the same neighborhood up
to 13mpg so 10 out of a HEMI wouldnt surprise me much.

oh yea best my wifes durango ever did was 15 on a long trip at 60 to 65
mph on the interstate. 13 with her long trips to work was the average.

sorry just my eperiance.

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.boB - 18 Aug 2007 17:08 GMT
>>My 04 Hemi quad cab 4x4 is averaging 9-10 miles around town at best
>>and not a heck of alot more on the highway.  I have modified it as
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>>has about 35k on the speedo. It's a beautiful truck but gas mileage
>>sucks big time.

   It's a big heavy truck with a big'ish engine.
Mileage is going to suck.  But I agree with you, it
shouldn't be that bad.
    You've made a couple of engine mods, have you
checked your actual air:fuel ratio?  Ask around in your
club, someone must have an LM-1 or something similar.
    Have you used a tuner like Haltech or Jet?  The
highest setting will give you a tad more performance
than the mid setting, but your mileage will defiantly
be worse.
   Have you checked for proper air pressure?  If
you're lucky, you can find someone with a tire
pyrometer to set the pressure more accurately.  If you
can't find one, just add 5 psi to your current pressure
and see what happens to your mileage.

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2006 FXDI hot rod
2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92
1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver
1965 FFR Cobra -  427W EFI, Damn Fast.

Ed Medlin - 17 Aug 2007 13:37 GMT
> My 04 Hemi quad cab 4x4 is averaging 9-10 miles around town at best and
> not a heck of alot more on the highway.  I have modified it as follows.
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> should I be checking something? Truck has about 35k on the speedo. It's a
> beautiful truck but gas mileage sucks big time.
On my Ram 5.2 Magnum 4X4 it has the first two that you did and then added
the Mopar performance computer (you may already have this on the Hemi??),
spacer on the intake and an MSD ignition system. Milage went from 12 to 17.5
if you are easy on the accelerator. I also have slightly larger tires as you
do and my speeds are raised by about 5mph at 70. At 70mph I am actually
doing 75mph so actual milage might be slightly higher. I doubt you will see
as large an increase with the Hemi as I did with the 318, but it may help
some. I did add a shift kit to the OD tranny at about 170,000 miles when it
needed a rebuild (damn those Dodge trannies just don't last....:-) and it
now has close to 175,000 miles on it and it still runs like new with oil
pressure at 40-50lbs and no oil usage between changes every 3,000mi or so.
The modifications were done at around 50,000mi or thereabout.

Ed
Roy - 17 Aug 2007 13:55 GMT
> My 04 Hemi quad cab 4x4 is averaging 9-10 miles around town at best and
> not a heck of alot more on the highway.  I have modified it as follows.
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> should I be checking something? Truck has about 35k on the speedo. It's a
> beautiful truck but gas mileage sucks big time.

You put on a wider, taller, heavier, tire with a more aggressive tread,
that would cost a couple of mpg with the added rolling resistance and
rotational weight. You also raised the truck higher, that put more air
passing under it. The K&N was waste unless you did a bunch of engine mod's.
Your probably jumping on the gas to hear the exhaust and the woosh from the
K&N.

You have a couple of options imo. Realize it is a 4x4 truck with a hemi in
it that sounds nice but gets shitty mileage and enjoy it. Or dump it and by
econo car. It is what it is.
azwiley1 - 17 Aug 2007 17:46 GMT
> You have a couple of options imo. Realize it is a 4x4 truck with a hemi in
> it that sounds nice but gets shitty mileage and enjoy it. Or dump it and by
> econo car. It is what it is.

Roy, how DARE you suggest that someone trade it in for something this
simple!  Careful the net nanny is reading and may chastize you!
Roy - 17 Aug 2007 19:22 GMT
>> You have a couple of options imo. Realize it is a 4x4 truck with a hemi
>> in
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> Roy, how DARE you suggest that someone trade it in for something this
> simple!  Careful the net nanny is reading and may chastize you!

Ah, with Buddism, I gave the op a option. Further while practicing Buddism,
I am never wrong!!!!
<GBMFG>
roy
Ed H. - 17 Aug 2007 23:20 GMT
>>> You have a couple of options imo. Realize it is a 4x4 truck with a hemi
>>> in
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> <GBMFG>
> roy

But Roy, you gave him a black vs. white answer - the truck or any econo car.
There are a multitude of options, including a truck and an econo car (and/or
a bike, bus service, a skate board, not going anywhere, ask friends for
rides, hitchhiking, etc.).  Perhaps Buddism isn't that enlightening. ,:<)
However, I must admit you weren't wrong - something to be said about
Buddism, at least from the Buddist view. <BG>
Roy - 18 Aug 2007 00:12 GMT
>>>> You have a couple of options imo. Realize it is a 4x4 truck with a hemi
>>>> in
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> friends for rides, hitchhiking, etc.).  Perhaps Buddism isn't that
> enlightening. ,:<) However, I must admit you weren't wrong

Larry is use to saying the above.<BFG>

- something to be said about
> Buddism, at least from the Buddist view. <BG>
Yup, the sure is!! <G>

Roy
azwiley1 - 18 Aug 2007 00:56 GMT
> >> Ah, with Buddism, I gave the op a option. Further while practicing
> >> Buddism, I am never wrong!!!!
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>
> Larry is use to saying the above.<BFG>

Huh?
Roy - 18 Aug 2007 02:36 GMT
>> >> Ah, with Buddism, I gave the op a option. Further while practicing
>> >> Buddism, I am never wrong!!!!
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>
> Huh?

C'mon pay attention!!  "However, I must admit you weren't wrong"
jeffrey David Miller - 18 Aug 2007 19:31 GMT
>> But Roy, you gave him a black vs. white answer - the truck or any econo
>> car. There are a multitude of options, including a truck and an econo car
>> (and/or a bike, bus service, a skate board, not going anywhere, ask
>> friends for rides, hitchhiking, etc.).  Perhaps Buddism isn't that
>> enlightening. ,:<) However, I must admit you weren't wrong

You've never been to NH were mass transit means you have to go to mass to
find anything reliable that goes anywhere you want to go   ?; )
Roy - 19 Aug 2007 00:01 GMT
>>> But Roy, you gave him a black vs. white answer - the truck or any econo
>>> car. There are a multitude of options, including a truck and an econo
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> You've never been to NH were mass transit means you have to go to mass to
> find anything reliable that goes anywhere you want to go   ?; )

Jeff, I live in MA. I know NH real well.
SnoMan - 18 Aug 2007 04:21 GMT
>My 04 Hemi quad cab 4x4 is averaging 9-10 miles around town at best and not
>a heck of alot more on the highway.  I have modified it as follows. K&N cold
>air intake system ,

K7N is a waste of money

>Gibson dual extreme exhaust system.

This is hurting not helping MPG, especailly in town but many never
figure this out. It has to do with letting exhaust blow off too
quickly from cylinders because the engine sets its power for expanding
gases, not explosions. Dual exhaust hurt more than help MPG in urban
driving and it is a toss up if they help at all on highway because
modern engine are well tuned from intake to exhaust and when you start
hacking, MPG can take a dump.

> Tonneau cover.

This did not hurt

> I did >add a set of BFG All Terrain TA/Ko tires. The tires are 265 size up from 245
>70/17 I think about an inch taller and inch wider.

This hurt because the tires have a bit more rolling resistance and
drag

> I don't go peeling out
>at lights or really pushing it. Is this common or should I be checking
>something? Truck has about 35k on the speedo. It's a beautiful truck but gas
>mileage sucks big time.

Hemis can be real gas hogs. Engine with torque peaks above 4000 RPM
are seldom their most efficent at lower RPM's and this engine is one
of them.  You have a few more things hurting you. First and foremost,
your truck is ALWAYS dragging the front differentail and drive shaft.
Even when not in 4x4 it is locked to wheels and consuming power.
Figure on at least 1 MPG or more lost because of this drag. (even more
in cold weather) Dodge is the only Detoit truck maker that does not
have a front axle disconnect ( the left it out to save them a few
bucks while potentailly costing you over 1000 bucks or more in extra
fuel over life of truck) so they will always do worse than competion
on MPG in 4x4 models. One thing you can do is use better fuel as 87
octane is a joke in that engine and it compromising power and MPG.
Also run tires at near max pressure and change lubes in Tcase and
axles if you have not already done so but do not expect miracles.  
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Roy - 18 Aug 2007 04:30 GMT
The Idiot is back!!!

>>My 04 Hemi quad cab 4x4 is averaging 9-10 miles around town at best and
>>not
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> TheSnoMan.com
SnoMan - 18 Aug 2007 13:32 GMT
> The Idiot is back!!

Yes, you the idiot and troll is back I see! Typical troll, just wants
to stir pot and not really help anyone.
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TheSnoMan.com
Roy - 18 Aug 2007 13:54 GMT
>> The Idiot is back!!
>
> Yes, you the idiot and troll is back I see! Typical troll, just wants
> to stir pot and not really help anyone.

You are soooo sad.

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> TheIdiot.com
balsofsteele@gmail.com - 22 Aug 2007 02:35 GMT
>>> The Idiot is back!!
>> Yes, you the idiot and troll is back I see! Typical troll, just wants
>> to stir pot and not really help anyone.
>
> You are soooo sad.

You are soooo old.
.boB - 18 Aug 2007 17:14 GMT
>>The Idiot is back!!
>
> Yes, you the idiot and troll is back I see! Typical troll, just wants
> to stir pot and not really help anyone.
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> TheSnoMan.com

    Good grief!   Will you guys cut it out!   You
don't like each other, we get that.  Every single
thread quickly turns in to childish name calling.
Enough is enough.
     Don't make me stop this truck!  I'm going to have
to seprate you guys if you can't behave.

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2006 FXDI hot rod
2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92
1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver
1965 FFR Cobra -  427W EFI, Damn Fast.

azwiley1 - 18 Aug 2007 18:30 GMT
> >>The Idiot is back!!
>
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> 1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver
> 1965 FFR Cobra -  427W EFI, Damn Fast.

boBit is true, many don't like him, but you have to understand, it is
not (only) about the dis-like for him that this continues to happen.
Most do it becuase of the constant out date (circa 1970's) incorrect,
unlogical and in a lot of case flat out dangerous information that he
posts.  But please stop the truck and kick at least one of them out!
miles - 18 Aug 2007 14:57 GMT
> Hemis can be real gas hogs. Engine with torque peaks above 4000 RPM
> are seldom their most efficent at lower RPM's and this engine is one
> of them.

BULL!  The 5.7L Hemi gets better mpg than the weaker 5.9L it replaced
along with considerably more power.  I've owned both.
balsofsteele@gmail.com - 21 Aug 2007 20:38 GMT
>> Hemis can be real gas hogs. Engine with torque peaks above 4000 RPM
>> are seldom their most efficent at lower RPM's and this engine is one
>> of them.
>
> BULL!  The 5.7L Hemi gets better mpg than the weaker 5.9L it replaced
> along with considerably more power.  I've owned both.

Bah, Dodge needs 'waste' at least 100 HP in the automatic transmission
to ensure proper regular boil-overs and failures.  At least thats what
my new-hemi owning friend used as an excuse when he couldn't run away
from my lowly 318.

It sure ain't no 426.
Steve Lusardi - 18 Aug 2007 08:45 GMT
Howard,
Your truck should be getting between 15 and 17.5 MPG depending on your
driving habits. What was your mileage before the mods? That would be a good
indicator. Secondly, the K & N will flow more air initially, but the
filtration ability is no way as good as the OEM arrangement. Furthermore,
over time, as dirt is gathered, the K & N will flow LESS air than a
partially clogged factory filter. It would be wise to hook up a manometer
between the air filter and throttle body and watch for vacuum during use,
then you will know for sure. Additionally, if the exhaust has much less
backpressure much of the ingested fuel could be exiting the engine because
of reflected vacuum. This you would see as unburned hydrocarbons in the
exhaust. Using a 4 gas analyser will show that as well.
Steve

> My 04 Hemi quad cab 4x4 is averaging 9-10 miles around town at best and
> not a heck of alot more on the highway.  I have modified it as follows.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> should I be checking something? Truck has about 35k on the speedo. It's a
> beautiful truck but gas mileage sucks big time.
SnoMan - 18 Aug 2007 13:39 GMT
>Your truck should be getting between 15 and 17.5 MPG depending on your
>driving habits.

Maybe in your dreams or a 2wd one in a lighter truck with stock tires.
I am not knocking Dodge but if you want a chance at a gas 4x4 with
decent MPG for its size you have to get a Ford or GM because they
unlike dodge do disconnect the front axle and differentail in 2wd.
over 35 years ago when I first start buying 4x4 for myself they had
lockout hubs and you could tell when hubs were left engaged and see it
in MPG too. Yes so wise arse will say it was a 40 year old truck but
that does not matter because new truck drags axle same way since there
is no disconnect. Given todays energy concerns is is a bit of a farce
that not a single Dodge 4x4 made has a axle disconnect all to save
them, (not you) a little money building them.
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Steve Lusardi - 18 Aug 2007 16:38 GMT
I rarely say this, but you are incorrect, The 1500 Dodge Ram does disconnect
the wheels at the front Diff., as well as the TC. It does so with engine
vacuum in 2 WD. Please, for the sake of the other readers, get your facts
correct before you reply. On my '96 5.9 (Gas) 5speed I regularly saw 17.5
MPG by keeping speeds below 50 MPH
Steve

>>Your truck should be getting between 15 and 17.5 MPG depending on your
>>driving habits.
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Denny - 18 Aug 2007 19:44 GMT
In all fairness and I really hate to say the snowidiot is correct (shut up
Roy) (BG) but he's right about the new trucks not having a disconnect. I'm
thinking it may have been around 02-03 when Dodge did away with it. But I
don't think it drops the milage as much as he lets on it does. Turning a
differential over with no load against it doesn't take very much effort.

Denny

>I rarely say this, but you are incorrect, The 1500 Dodge Ram does
>disconnect the wheels at the front Diff., as well as the TC. It does so
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John - 29 Aug 2007 01:36 GMT
I think the 1500 lost the disconnect when they went to the IFS front
end, I believe.  That would have been 2002 I think?

>In all fairness and I really hate to say the snowidiot is correct (shut up
>Roy) (BG) but he's right about the new trucks not having a disconnect. I'm
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>
>Denny
 
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