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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / September 2007Warped manifold?! (darn it!)
So, I finally got the truck in to have the manifold gasket replaced (per my posts a little bit ago). Walked to the mechanic's this afternoon to find my truck still in the shop with the hood up. He was supposed to call if it wasn't ready! Ah, well. He said the manifold was warped, and he'd sent it out to have it machined. That was done, and the truck will be ready tomorrow. In my short Google excursion, I saw that warped manifolds are usually replaced. But this is Outback Australia, and replacing parts ain't always easy (and doubly hard for a Yank Tank), so I imaging machining is probably the norm around here. But for my particular truck (2001 Dakota), should I be concerned? Will a freshly machined manifold be as good as new? Are there consequences to this I should know about? And, how does a manifold warp, anyway? Was it likely always that way, and the gasket's just gotten old enough for me to notice the tik? And, could a warped manifold cause the P0455 code (Exhaust leak?) The mechanic didn't seem to think replacing the gasket would fix the leak... As always, any advice appreciated. jmc > So, I finally got the truck in to have the manifold gasket replaced (per > my posts a little bit ago). [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > jmc If a good machinist does the job, it should be fine. Warped manifolds (assuming exhaust manifold since I missed your previous post) are usually caused by extreme changes in temperature, but CAN just happen from normal usage in rare cases. It could have been an improperly machined manifold right from the start and the gasket hid the problem for the most part, but you had some small leakage causing your code. I would assume that the mechanic pre-mounted the manifold and saw some daylight between it and the block and decided to fix the problem the right way instead of just covering the problem with another gasket. This is probably the most likely scenerio because a very small leak may not be noticeable until it finally just blows the gasket completely. Ed Suddenly, without warning, Ed M. exclaimed (9/11/2007 9:05 PM): >> So, I finally got the truck in to have the manifold gasket replaced (per >> my posts a little bit ago). [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Ed Ed, thanks for the response. Yup, exhaust manifold. Mechanic didn't have the option of covering the problem with a second gasket, 'cause he only has one. I live overseas and had to order the gasket from the US. Extreme changes in temperature. Well, we got that here (gets well into the 100s), but the computer's had the "small code" since we were in a place without extremes (p0422? can't remember); the code though did change to a 'bigger leak' while in this much hotter desert location. jmc In response to Ed M. 's post. I thought everyone should know: >> So, I finally got the truck in to have the manifold gasket replaced (per >> my posts a little bit ago). [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Ed ed the warped manifold on a dakota v6 is common, done lots of them and the broken studs too.  SignatureChris Suddenly, without warning, Chris Thompson exclaimed (9/11/2007 9:40 PM): > ed the warped manifold on a dakota v6 is common, done lots of them and the > broken studs too. Mine's a v8 (sorry forgot to mention, but good info anyway. jmc It is a much more common problem than it once was because of modern casting techniques. The new processes allow much thinner and lighter castings, but this by itself, wouldn't be an issue if the casting was annealed before they machine it. Of course that costs money and it isn't done. The newly machined manifold is actually better than a new one because your useage has already annealed the casting and it will not move again. In point of fact a gasket will not be necessary at all. However, I would replace the studs as a matter of common sense. It costs very little when they are whole, but very expensive if you have to pull the head to drill out a broken one and be sure to use anti seize compound on the threads. Steve > So, I finally got the truck in to have the manifold gasket replaced (per > my posts a little bit ago). [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > jmc > It is a much more common problem than it once was because of modern > casting techniques. The new processes allow much thinner and lighter [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > threads. > Steve That would be my thoughts exactly. Since he lives in a hostile environment, his vehicle has probably be through tons of heat/cooling cycles and the castings are "set" and will not move/warp anymore. Every single part, it seems, is thinner and smaller these days because of the emphisis on reducing weight (cheaper.....:-) to get in-line with MPG increases in light trucks. Ed >> So, I finally got the truck in to have the manifold gasket replaced (per >> my posts a little bit ago). [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> >> jmc >> It is a much more common problem than it once was because of modern >> casting techniques. The new processes allow much thinner and lighter [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > That would be my thoughts exactly. Since he lives He????? Did I miss something?? Suddenly, without warning, Roy exclaimed (9/13/2007 3:39 AM): >>> It is a much more common problem than it once was because of modern >>> casting techniques. The new processes allow much thinner and lighter [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Did I miss something?? Ah, he just doesn't know me :) jmc > Suddenly, without warning, Roy exclaimed (9/13/2007 3:39 AM): >>>> It is a much more common problem than it once was because of modern [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > jmc Very true. I am fairly new here and am just getting to know folks. Sorry if I 'mis-gendered' you jmc........:-) Ed >> Suddenly, without warning, Roy exclaimed (9/13/2007 3:39 AM): >>>>> It is a much more common problem than it once was because of modern [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Ed Speaking of gender, watch out for the rabbit. We are still trying to figure that one out.<BFG> >>> Suddenly, without warning, Roy exclaimed (9/13/2007 3:39 AM): >>>>>> It is a much more common problem than it once was because of modern [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Speaking of gender, watch out for the rabbit. We are still trying to > figure that one out.<BFG> Da wabbit has a gender? With that belly, how can he tell? (vbg) FMB (North Mexico) >>>> Suddenly, without warning, Roy exclaimed (9/13/2007 3:39 AM): >>>>>>> It is a much more common problem than it once was because of modern [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Da wabbit has a gender? Does a food processor really have a gender? With that belly, how can he tell? (vbg) > FMB > (North Mexico) >>>>> Suddenly, without warning, Roy exclaimed (9/13/2007 3:39 AM): >>>>>>>> It is a much more common problem than it once was because of modern [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > With that belly, how can he tell? (vbg) How the "f" did I get dragged into this one???? I'm behaving myself and get attacked from behind while I'm at work. Bunch of f'n pricks around here..... <GBMFG> Denny Suddenly, without warning, Ed M. exclaimed (9/14/2007 9:19 PM): >> Suddenly, without warning, Roy exclaimed (9/13/2007 3:39 AM): >>>>> It is a much more common problem than it once was because of modern [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Ed Don't worry about it. Generally only the folks that've been around for a while know I'm missing a Y chromosome :) "on usenet nobody knows you're a cat" jmc > So, I finally got the truck in to have the manifold gasket replaced (per > my posts a little bit ago). > > Walked to the mechanic's this afternoon to find my truck still in the > shop with the hood up. He was supposed to call if it wasn't ready! Was the phone free the whole time? > Ah, well. He said the manifold was warped, and he'd sent it out to have > it machined. That was done, and the truck will be ready tomorrow. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > always easy (and doubly hard for a Yank Tank), so I imaging machining is > probably the norm around here. Nothing wrong with machining it. > But for my particular truck (2001 Dakota), should I be concerned? Will > a freshly machined manifold be as good as new? Are there consequences > to this I should know about? > > And, how does a manifold warp, anyway? Heating and cooling cycles. > Was it likely always that way, > and the gasket's just gotten old enough for me to notice the tik? No. > And, could a warped manifold cause the P0455 code (Exhaust leak?) P0455 is an Evaporative emissions system leak. > The > mechanic didn't seem to think replacing the gasket would fix the leak... Me either. > As always, any advice appreciated. > > jmc |
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