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Hitch wt. and towing capacities

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robert@legionconstruction.com - 09 Oct 2007 15:20 GMT
I have a 2006 dodge 2500 diesel (quad cab, short bed, 4x4, 373 gears,
auto trans), I am looking to purchase a 5th wheel having a hitch wt.
of 2,120 LBS and GVWR of 11,400 lbs.  Not knowing hitch wt or towing
capacities very well, the question is; do I have enough truck or am I
approaching the limit, if I do have enough truck, do I need to do
anything to it?

Thanks
SnoMan - 09 Oct 2007 19:17 GMT
>I have a 2006 dodge 2500 diesel (quad cab, short bed, 4x4, 373 gears,
>auto trans), I am looking to purchase a 5th wheel having a hitch wt.
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>
>Thanks

You have enough truck engine, tranny, axle and frame wise. You might
need to ad a leaf to rear if it does not ride right with load (too
soft) and maybe upgrade tires if they are not already 265R16 "E" range
tires.
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Tom Lawrence - 09 Oct 2007 19:38 GMT
> soft) and maybe upgrade tires if they are not already 265R16 "E" range

Well, 17" wheels on the '03s and up, but otherwise - yes.  I might go with
an airbag install vs. adding an extra leaf, though...  keeps the no-load
ride quality the same as stock (won't call it smooth, but no need to help
the fillings fall out quicker, either)
SnoMan - 10 Oct 2007 01:21 GMT
>Well, 17" wheels on the '03s and up, but otherwise - yes.  I might go with
>an airbag install vs. adding an extra leaf, though...  keeps the no-load
>ride quality the same as stock (won't call it smooth, but no need to help
>the fillings fall out quicker, either)

AIr bags can work but a extra leaf does two things. One is increase
load capacity and the second (which a air bag does not do) it help
limit torque wrap up of springs from high wheel torque loads. Strange
about tires though because I remember test driving some 05 CTD with a
friend when he was considering buy one. It had 265R16 E's on it
because I remember looking at them.
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chris thompson - 10 Oct 2007 01:36 GMT
>>Well, 17" wheels on the '03s and up, but otherwise - yes.  I might go with
>>an airbag install vs. adding an extra leaf, though...  keeps the no-load
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nope the 05 comes with 17" wheels like what Tom said. if you dont believe
me, well tough. i own a 05 and i KNOW what's on my truck.
SnoMan - 10 Oct 2007 03:14 GMT
>nope the 05 comes with 17" wheels like what Tom said. if you dont believe
>me, well tough. i own a 05 and i KNOW what's on my truck.

It was a dualie so that may explain it
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azwiley1 - 10 Oct 2007 03:31 GMT
> >nope the 05 comes with 17" wheels like what Tom said. if you dont believe
> >me, well tough. i own a 05 and i KNOW what's on my truck.
>
> It was a dualie so that may explain it
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Ya know Sno, though it may not seem like an important fact or bit of
info to you, maybe, just maybe, if you started telling the complete
story in your posts, instead of the half assed ones like you tend to,
it would prevent issues just like this.  Food for thought...
SnoMan - 12 Oct 2007 03:39 GMT
>Ya know Sno, though it may not seem like an important fact or bit of
>info to you, maybe, just maybe, if you started telling the complete
>story in your posts, instead of the half assed ones like you tend to,
>it would prevent issues just like this.  Food for thought...

Nothing have a$$'ed about it. GM trucks used the same rim diameter on
SRW and DRW then so one would "assume" the Dodge would have done
likewise that year. I drive a few 08 CTD last week and they had 17's.
I was also surprized at the amount of boost on new 6.7 engine. Both
trucks showed aprroximately 23 PSI of boost.  I plan to check GM and
Ford models to see how they compare.
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chris thompson - 12 Oct 2007 04:02 GMT
>>Ya know Sno, though it may not seem like an important fact or bit of
>>info to you, maybe, just maybe, if you started telling the complete
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uh 23 thats it? and when did dodge start putting a boost gauge on?

btw srw and drw do have the same rim diamater 17" or did you miss that?

i suggest you look at the dodge site and view what wheel options there are.

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Chris
05 CTD
06 Liberty CRD

SnoMan - 12 Oct 2007 10:45 GMT
>uh 23 thats it? and when did dodge start putting a boost gauge on?

You do not need one if you have the right technology to monitor/record
engine data via OBD2 port which all vehicles have had since 97 (some a
year sooner) BTW, it reports the Absolute Manifold Pressure
(atmosheric plus boost) which the ECM use for fuel mixture control, in
that regard its "AMP" is a little over 37 PSI.  

>btw srw and drw do have the same rim diamater 17" or did you miss that?

I did not miss a thin, I was talking about what I say mof a 05 model
dulie, not a 08 one

>i suggest you look at the dodge site and view what wheel options there are.

Honestly I place little value in "wheel options" on any brands web
site.  I look at trucks as they sit on lots ans as they are equipped
in various trim/option levels. Myself, I have never had any interest
at all in fancy rim options on my trucks, a plain steel wheels is fine
for me.
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azwiley1 - 12 Oct 2007 16:26 GMT
> You do not need one if you have the right technology to monitor/record
> engine data via OBD2 port which all vehicles have had since 97 (some a
> year sooner) BTW, it reports the Absolute Manifold Pressure
> (atmosheric plus boost) which the ECM use for fuel mixture control, in
> that regard its "AMP" is a little over 37 PSI.  

So, you are saying that a dealer not only let you test drive a new
truck, but let you hook up an OBD2 scanner to it while you were
driving it?  Highly unlikely!

> Honestly I place little value in "wheel options" on any brands web
> site.  I look at trucks as they sit on lots ans as they are equipped
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Well, maybe besides learning how to slow down a bit when you type, so
you are missing letters (unless the cryptic typing is purposeful) you
should learn how to pay more attention to things when you are "test
driving them"
SnoMan - 12 Oct 2007 20:24 GMT
>> You do not need one if you have the right technology to monitor/record
>> engine data via OBD2 port which all vehicles have had since 97 (some a
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>truck, but let you hook up an OBD2 scanner to it while you were
>driving it?  Highly unlikely!

Right since you say so huh? You can believe what you want because you
are the troll here  I cannot remember the last time they came with me
on a test drive.( one advantage I guess of not looking like a or being
troll)  Been scanning them for a couple of years now when new models
come out. IT is REALLY easy to do if you know what you are doing. I
have two methods I use, one a a complete small module to plugs in a
record up to 5 data channels of my selection (easily fits in your
shirt pocket and I started using this method about 6 months ago) and a
second method the ready data channel of choice live is data or graphic
form. (this one will fit in a coat pocket and has a PC interface on it
as well and I have been using it for a few years now) You would know
how to do this easily too if you were not just some troll looking to
cause trouble. BTW, I also do sound level readings in db's in cab and
outside when the sprit moves me. (I have two different meters too one
that fits in pocket and one a bit bigger but is not a "cheapy" either
as it is very accurate, calibratable and programable. Been a bit under
the weather here but I plan to shake down and scan the new 6.4 Ford PS
soon and then a Dmax and see how they compare. BTW, I drove and
scanned a new 08 GM 2500HD with new 6 speed 6L80 and 353 HP 6.0. That
truck was a BIG disapointment! (and I am/was a GM man mostly) Tranny
calibration and operation and axle ratio combo was badily matched. I
would not own one if you gave it to me if they are all like that (I
would sell it) Truck felt under powered most of the time because
effective overall gearing in 5th and 6th was too tall for axle ratio
and engine. 6th was really bad and a bit of a joke. (a bad one at
that). You have to drive it a bit to realize what a cluster fart the
engine/tranny/axle ratio combo is.  Sad part is GM used to make some
very fine automatic trannies

>> Honestly I place little value in "wheel options" on any brands web
>> site.  I look at trucks as they sit on lots ans as they are equipped
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>should learn how to pay more attention to things when you are "test
>driving them"
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Beryl - 15 Oct 2007 09:05 GMT
punkin:

> Well, maybe besides learning how to slow down a bit when you type, so
> you are missing letters (unless the cryptic typing is purposeful) you

I am sure if you were more adapt at understood what was being asked
for, punkin.
Roy - 15 Oct 2007 14:55 GMT
> punkin:
>
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> I am sure if you were more adapt at understood what was being asked
> for, punkin.

Still nothing but a troll.
SnoMan - 15 Oct 2007 16:09 GMT
>> punkin:
>>
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>
>Still nothing but a troll.

Roy you are the troll here and when thing exceed your grasp (which
they do a lot) you attack them rather than admitt you are wrong
because "Trolls" like you are never wrong!  People that can and do use
techology or have some real knowledge must really scare you.
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azwiley1 - 15 Oct 2007 17:25 GMT
> >> punkin:
>
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Would this be the same technology that you used to tell a poster to
trade in a perfectly good truck because of a bad sensor?  Would this
be the same technology that you used to help the posted in the Chevy
group with the brake problem, which you were proven wrong over?

If trolls are never wrong, how is it that you are not a troll?  How
many times have you been proven wrong because of your technical
skills?  When is the last time that you admitted you were wrong?
Roy - 15 Oct 2007 18:03 GMT
>>> punkin:
>>>
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> because "Trolls" like you are never wrong!  People that can and do use
> techology or have some real knowledge must really scare you.

You are truly a sad f.ck! Learn how to follow a thread will ya.
FMB - 16 Oct 2007 03:06 GMT
>>>> punkin:
>>>>
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>
> You are truly a sad f.ck! Learn how to follow a thread will ya.

Wake up Roy.  How would anyone but Beryl know what kind of f.ck Snopuddle
is?

FMB
(North Mexico)
Beryl - 16 Oct 2007 04:24 GMT
>>>>>punkin:
>>>>>
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>
> Wake up Roy.  

He's been awake. That's his stupor we're witnessing.

> How would anyone but Beryl know what kind of f.ck Snopuddle is?

Dreaming about me now, fruity boy?

> FMB
> (North Mexico)
Roy - 16 Oct 2007 11:20 GMT
>>>>> punkin:
>>>>>
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> Wake up Roy.  How would anyone but Beryl know what kind of f.ck Snopuddle
> is?

Good point.

Roy
> FMB
> (North Mexico)
azwiley1 - 15 Oct 2007 20:11 GMT
> punkin:
>
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> I am sure if you were more adapt at understood what was being asked
> for, punkin.

I see the bitch is back with nothing more to do than stir sh.t.  (Not)
noce to see you again.
Beryl - 15 Oct 2007 20:54 GMT
punkin:

>>punkin:
>>
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> I see the bitch is back with nothing more to do than stir sh.t.  (Not)
> noce to see you again.

Just carving punkins, punkin. All Hallows' Eve approaches.
Roy - 15 Oct 2007 21:01 GMT
> punkin:
>
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>
> Just carving punkins, punkin. All Hallows' Eve approaches.

In other words traffic has been slow at her favorite bar, Pole Smoker's
Lounge. So she is hanging out here for a bit.
chris thompson - 12 Oct 2007 23:36 GMT
>>uh 23 thats it? and when did dodge start putting a boost gauge on?
>
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> (atmosheric plus boost) which the ECM use for fuel mixture control, in
> that regard its "AMP" is a little over 37 PSI.  

I seriously doubt you hooked a scanner up while you drove it, but ok i'll
spot you that one in spite of my doubts.

>>btw srw and drw do have the same rim diamater 17" or did you miss that?
>
> I did not miss a thin, I was talking about what I say mof a 05 model
> dulie, not a 08 one

How about you missing the fact that they are both DR trucks and wheels on
the trucks have no changed. the 05 came with 17" wheels in both
configurations (DRW AND SRW).

>>i suggest you look at the dodge site and view what wheel options there
>>are.
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and i have little faith in your information about the subject so lets just
agree to disagree about the accuracy of your information.

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Chris
05 CTD
06 Liberty CRD

Tom Lawrence - 10 Oct 2007 04:18 GMT
>>nope the 05 comes with 17" wheels like what Tom said. if you dont believe
>>me, well tough. i own a 05 and i KNOW what's on my truck.
>
> It was a dualie so that may explain it

Nope, they have 17's as well.  16" wheels won't clear the brakes (bigger
brakes since '03).  Heck, some aftermarket 17" wheels won't clear 'em,
either.
azwiley1 - 10 Oct 2007 05:03 GMT
On Oct 9, 8:18 pm, "Tom Lawrence" <tDoOmN4T8...@AgMmOaNiMlE.com>
wrote:
> >>nope the 05 comes with 17" wheels like what Tom said. if you dont believe
> >>me, well tough. i own a 05 and i KNOW what's on my truck.
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> brakes since '03).  Heck, some aftermarket 17" wheels won't clear 'em,
> either.

Maybe the one he was test riding with his friend was a 1905 model? <bg>
Bill - 09 Oct 2007 19:39 GMT
I have heard a short bead can prove troublesome with a 5er. They make a
sliding hitch, that as you turn, it moves the trailer away from the truck to
prevent damage.

>I have a 2006 dodge 2500 diesel (quad cab, short bed, 4x4, 373 gears,
> auto trans), I am looking to purchase a 5th wheel having a hitch wt.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Thanks
Wayne J. - 11 Oct 2007 04:10 GMT
>I have a 2006 dodge 2500 diesel (quad cab, short bed, 4x4, 373 gears,
> auto trans), I am looking to purchase a 5th wheel having a hitch wt.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Thanks

you have enough truck for this fiver. yu may want an extra leaf on the rear,
but try it first. You will meed a slider hitch of course.

enjoy
Fred - 11 Oct 2007 23:46 GMT
With the 5er at 11400, what is the weight of the truck ... then the combined
weight?

Will it be legal??

Fred

>>I have a 2006 dodge 2500 diesel (quad cab, short bed, 4x4, 373 gears,
>> auto trans), I am looking to purchase a 5th wheel having a hitch wt.
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>
> enjoy
 
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