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Midlant - 25 Oct 2007 05:03 GMT
I drove a friends Ford, 2005 I think. It took off like a raped ape hot
rod, not a truck. Both trucks are diesels. He drove mine and was shocked
at how much difference there was.
Is this normal or is my 12V in sad shape? It doesn't get down and dirty,
but does eventually accelerate...reminds me of the old Volvo's. They
don't accelerate. They just eventually gain momentum.
John
Tom Lawrence - 25 Oct 2007 08:03 GMT
> Is this normal or is my 12V in sad shape? It doesn't get down and dirty,
> but does eventually accelerate...reminds me of the old Volvo's. They don't
> accelerate. They just eventually gain momentum.

You're comparing your 180HP/420ft.lb. engine against his 325HP/570ft.lb.
engine.  With nearly double the horsepower, it's no wonder his truck runs
away from yours.

Ask him what kind of mileage numbers he's getting, however  :)
Midlant - 25 Oct 2007 23:42 GMT
I happened to think about that today. It hit me that hp numbers are
totally different. I'm getting 18 and he says he's getting 20. Sometimes
I get 20, but my last fill up was 18mpg.
John

>> Is this normal or is my 12V in sad shape? It doesn't get down and
>> dirty, but does eventually accelerate...reminds me of the old
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>
> Ask him what kind of mileage numbers he's getting, however  :)
Midlant - 26 Oct 2007 03:08 GMT
Why do people bomb the 12V and spend the money on upgraded tranny's
instead of just buying a new truck that alreay is made to withstand 200
more hp?
What would it take for me to get 350hp other than buying a new truck
that comes stock with that power?
John
Tom Lawrence - 26 Oct 2007 03:31 GMT
> Why do people bomb the 12V and spend the money on upgraded tranny's
> instead of just buying a new truck that alreay is made to withstand 200
> more hp?

Fuel plate - $200
Injectors - $900
Bigger turbo - $500 - $1,000
Intake/Exhaust mods - $ 500
Tranny upgrades - $3,000 - $5,000

Total out of pocket - $5,000 - $7,500
New truck $35,000

> What would it take for me to get 350hp other than buying a new truck that
> comes stock with that power?

Take the cash indicated above, and spread it around these two places, among
a host of others:

http://www.piersdiesel.com
http://www.atsdiesel.com
Midlant - 26 Oct 2007 03:36 GMT
"Tom Lawrence" <>

> Total out of pocket - $5,000 - $7,500
> New truck $35,000

I can't afford a new truck, that's for sure, but I was speaking in terms
of newer vice new. Sell mine for $9k or something, then buy a new truck
that has that power already.  I haven't priced a newer truck to find out
what a used one is going for so I may be out of the ball park. Maybe,
I'll just keep enjoying my truck as it is. Thanks again, Tom.
John
Nosey - 26 Oct 2007 05:03 GMT
> "Tom Lawrence" <>
>
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> ball park. Maybe, I'll just keep enjoying my truck as it is. Thanks
> again, Tom. John

Cheap power for the 12 valve:
http://www.dieseltruckresource.com/dev/showthread.php?t=93017
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Midlant - 27 Oct 2007 01:08 GMT
> Cheap power for the 12 valve:
> http://www.dieseltruckresource.com/dev/showthread.php?t=93017

Thanks.
What's a GSK?
Tom Lawrence - 27 Oct 2007 01:16 GMT
> What's a GSK?

Governor Spring Kit
Midlant - 27 Oct 2007 03:28 GMT
>> What's a GSK?
>
> Governor Spring Kit

Thanks Tom.
I read the posted url link but not sure what the writer was describing.
I'm thinking there is a series of adjustments or add-ons that need to be
done together to form a cohesive power upgrade without any harmful
effects.

John
Tom Lawrence - 27 Oct 2007 05:28 GMT
> I'm thinking there is a series of adjustments or add-ons that need to be
> done together to form a cohesive power upgrade without any harmful
> effects.

Absolutely correct...  adding power requires modification to several
different components.  For example, tweak injection pump and upgrade
injectors to get more flow...  need a better lift pump to deliver the extra
fuel, need a better turbo to build more boost to add to that extra fuel,
need a better intake/intercooler to cool down the boosted intake charge,
need a bigger/freer-flowing exhaust to take away the extra heat/exhaust
gases.  Powertrains need to be strengthened to deal with the extra torque.
It keeps going.
Midlant - 27 Oct 2007 13:59 GMT
>> I'm thinking there is a series of adjustments or add-ons that need to
>> be done together to form a cohesive power upgrade without any harmful
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> extra heat/exhaust gases.  Powertrains need to be strengthened to deal
> with the extra torque. It keeps going.

Buying a "newer" truck that comes stock, already built to handle 200
extra hp is sounding more attractive all the time. With one exception,
keeping my truck until the wheels fall off and resigning myself that the
truck just doesn't have the grunt everyone says it has.
Roy - 27 Oct 2007 15:23 GMT
>>> I'm thinking there is a series of adjustments or add-ons that need to be
>>> done together to form a cohesive power upgrade without any harmful
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> my truck until the wheels fall off and resigning myself that the truck
> just doesn't have the grunt everyone says it has.

You also have to factor in the tax, increase in insurance cost and so on of
a newer or new truck. Also along with the newer truck come a whole bunch of
expensive electronic stuff.
You might want to take your truck to a Cummins facility and have them put it
on the dyno and see what they come up with. You might be down on power due
to a real simple cause.

I learned some time ago that if you really want to go fast you do it in a
car. A truck is a truck, is a truck, it may be powerful but it is a truck.
If I had it to do over again, I should have kept my 94 12V.

But it always seems to come down to "want" rather than "need".
Midlant - 27 Oct 2007 18:21 GMT
Miricle of miricles...ok, pretty simple fix really. I'm rather embarrsed
while scratching my head. I'll get to this and the fix in a moment...

Local Cummins seemed much more in tune than the Dodge guys as they
didn't know what was wrong, what couuld be wrong, and not sure where to
start. Cummins didn't want $95 to throw it on machine as Dodge did. It
doesn't need a machine. it's needs a real mech who knows the engine as
it has to be a simple fix, just because of the symptons. I'm not a mech,
but do repair things and know the difference between something major and
something minor. It's just a gut feeling and the symptons.

Cummins said $90, then 50 to hook it to a computer then time to read it
and it came out to $240 just to see if there was anything wrong.
No thanks.

I heard our area (Virginia Beach) finally has a diesel place that is
about power, not big rig repairs. Went there this morning. The man who
looked at my truck drives the same thing as well as a newer dually and
is in the Navy as a Nuc Mach Mate. We speak the same language.

I told him what I noteced and thought, the overflow valve replaced,
etc... We went for a ride. It wasn't too bad and he liked it for the
most part. I said the throttle plate is slid all teh way forward. He
didn't like that as the power wasn't there for that simple mod. I asked
him if his foot was on the firewall or in a more normal position like
his truck.
That got his attention.
Back tot eh garage.
Throttle has a lottle of play in it. Yep. that's why I said I'm not
getting WOT. Didn't take long from there. I told him Dodge had done a
recall to replace the throttle cable but it looked different than the
new one I had already replaced on it (new style). The one they put on
wasn't the old style or the new style. It's different.

He made a quick spacer to take the slack behind the pedal. Lo an d
behold, the truck runs like it did when I forst bought it. I'm putting
the old cable back in.

(if you're confused, the original cable frayed and Dodge had a new one
out. Dealer said no recall even though NHTSA said there was. I bought
the new one, repalced it myself and called Dodge. A friends brother
worked for them in their main hq in their quality dept. That helped. The
faxed me the paperwork to give to the dealer for the recall and sent me
a check to pay for the cable I bought. Dealer put the new cable on and
gave me my new cable back. Sweet!

Now the embarassment. I never noticed a loss of power or slack in the
throttle from that time. I did notice that over a year to two years
time, power was slipping away. I thought my truck was dying.

Nope. Overflow valve spring broken and now throttle cable bad. It's
running really sweet now. I've got power! My foot isn't embedded into
the firewall trying to get it to move. To be honest, with the slack in
the cable, I didn't notice my foot sinking into the floor before power
came on. Seemed pretty normal. Now my foot barely moves and i'm honking
60. Pretty easy to pass on the freeway now, as well as take off from a
dead stop.

I did feel blessed and that God was allowing me to play a little so I am
going to put  in 3k gsk, kdp fix,  3 pod gauge set, timing checked and
tweaked, and a #8 TST plate installed. He's going to do that in 2 weeks
(he's only free weekends, Scott, not the business). I thought about a #6
plate but looking at TST's site, the #8 seems best for tranny life. A
#10 isn't rec'd for some reason. I know I've read online that taking a
10 and then grinding is fun, but TST says 10's are n/a.

Anyways, there it is in long form.

Short form? Stretched (or wrong throttle cable installed by dealer.)

John
BigIronRam - 27 Oct 2007 18:40 GMT
> Miricle of miricles...ok, pretty simple fix really. I'm rather embarrsed
> while scratching my head. I'll get to this and the fix in a moment...
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>
> John

Did you get the recall part?  CANZ900?
Midlant - 27 Oct 2007 22:38 GMT
.

>> Short form? Stretched (or wrong throttle cable installed by dealer.)
>>
>> John
>
> Did you get the recall part?  CANZ900?

I bought cable 4897407AA        M02A     Cable P for $49.88   on May 30,
2000.

I can't find the recall package.  I can't believe that was 7 years ago.
The cable must be stretching. I still have the one I bought. It's going
back on soon. The temp fix is working fine though. The truck is fun
driving again. Funny when something slowly goes, you really don't notice
it until it's gone.

John
Nosey - 28 Oct 2007 00:05 GMT
> .
>>>
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>
> John

This one?
http://dodgeram.info/tsb/recalls/970.htm
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Ken

Midlant - 28 Oct 2007 03:19 GMT
>>>> Short form? Stretched (or wrong throttle cable installed by
>>>> dealer.)
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> This one?
> http://dodgeram.info/tsb/recalls/970.htm

Yes. That's the one.
BigIronRam - 28 Oct 2007 03:23 GMT
> .
>>>
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>
> John

You might find this interesting?

http://dodgeram.org/tech/dsl/T_Cable/diesel_tc.htm

The recall cable ( I hope I recalled the number correctly) is supposed to
be the "new" design, hopefully it's been incorporated into the normal
replacement parts.  The recall package was also cheap, around $20 six or
seven years ago when I got mine.
Max Dodge - 27 Oct 2007 17:42 GMT
Put  a shift kit in the trans and you'll feel the power you have being
delivered more effectively. Put in a lower stall TC and then the grunt works
more effectively. This is far cheaper than going nuts on power accessories
and finding that you break  the drivetrain more often.

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Max

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, he is not entitled to his own
facts."  Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan of New York

>> I'm thinking there is a series of adjustments or add-ons that need to be
>> done together to form a cohesive power upgrade without any harmful
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> heat/exhaust gases.  Powertrains need to be strengthened to deal with the
> extra torque. It keeps going.
Tom Lawrence - 27 Oct 2007 20:00 GMT
> more effectively. This is far cheaper than going nuts on power accessories
> and finding that you break  the drivetrain more often.

Yeah...  pulling transmissions every time they break gets old REAL quick  :)
Max Dodge - 27 Oct 2007 22:51 GMT
>> more effectively. This is far cheaper than going nuts on power
>> accessories and finding that you break  the drivetrain more often.
>
> Yeah...  pulling transmissions every time they break gets old REAL quick
> :)

I don't wanna hear it... you have a lift and a nice garage all to yourself.

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Max

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, he is not entitled to his own
facts."  Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan of New York

Midlant - 27 Oct 2007 22:42 GMT
> Put  a shift kit in the trans and you'll feel the power you have being
> delivered more effectively. Put in a lower stall TC and then the grunt
> works more effectively. This is far cheaper than going nuts on power
> accessories and finding that you break  the drivetrain more often.

I'll do that at next rebuild. I'm approaching 90k on this rebuild. The
guy who worked on my truck today mentioned about the stall set up on
them. Not sure why Dodge does it that way. My understanding or take from
his conversation was that they will always slip as the Sp is higher than
what it turns. Did I say that right?
John

John
Max Dodge - 27 Oct 2007 22:53 GMT
A TC will always slip a bit, thats why the lock up clutch was invented.
There are ways of cutting down on the slip, thus delivering more power from
a standing start.

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Max

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, he is not entitled to his own
facts."  Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan of New York

>> Put  a shift kit in the trans and you'll feel the power you have being
>> delivered more effectively. Put in a lower stall TC and then the grunt
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> John
Midlant - 26 Oct 2007 03:38 GMT
Is there a huge difference between injectors? I've seen some on ebay
that seem pretty reasonable.
John
RM v2.0 - 25 Oct 2007 16:21 GMT
>I drove a friends Ford, 2005 I think. It took off like a raped ape hot rod,
>not a truck. Both trucks are diesels. He drove mine and was shocked at how
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> accelerate. They just eventually gain momentum.
> John

They can ramp up the power in those diesels pretty high but at the expense
of longevity.

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