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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / January 2008The 5 most overpriced vehicles
"...the Dodge Ram is among the most egregiously overpriced cars in the U.S. Rounding out the top five: the Mercury Grand Marquis, Ford's F- 150, the Dodge Durango and the GMC Envoy..." Forbes.com article: http://easyurl.net/Overpriced More crap from the fool > "...the Dodge Ram is among the most egregiously overpriced cars in the > U.S. Rounding out the top five: the Mercury Grand Marquis, Ford's F- > 150, the Dodge Durango and the GMC Envoy..." > > Forbes.com article: http://easyurl.net/Overpriced > More crap from the fool >> "...the Dodge Ram is among the most egregiously overpriced cars in the >> U.S. Rounding out the top five: the Mercury Grand Marquis, Ford's F- >> 150, the Dodge Durango and the GMC Envoy..." >> >> Forbes.com article: http://easyurl.net/Overpriced I can't see the Grand Marquis as being over priced - if you like that sort of thing. I can buy one for less than a V-6 Camry with similar equipment and it will get almost the same fuel mileage. On the downside, it is a big soft riding barge....I tried driving one for a few months and decided it wasn't for me (it was my Mother's car and I decided to try it out when she got a new car). If the Ram and F150 are over priced, then the Tundra must be super wildly over priced. Toyota has piled so many incentives on to that pig that they are almost giving them away - surely it is Toyota biggest marketing disaster in a decade. To big, to ugly, horrible gas mileage, quality problems, design problems, what a joke of a truck. Ed > If the Ram and F150 are over priced, then the Tundra must be super wildly over priced. Toyota has piled so many incentives on to > that pig that they are almost giving them away - surely it is Toyota biggest marketing disaster in a decade. To big, to ugly, > horrible gas mileage, quality problems, design problems, what a joke of a truck. They don't call them TOY Yodas for nothing. I want a real truck. not a toy. >> More crap from the fool >>> "...the Dodge Ram is among the most egregiously overpriced cars in the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >for me (it was my Mother's car and I decided to try it out when she got a >new car). She probably didn't get the handling suspension package. If you option it like police car, or simply order the police package, it's a great handling car with a nice solid ride and about 22 mpg on the highway. >If the Ram and F150 are over priced, then the Tundra must be super wildly >over priced. Toyota has piled so many incentives on to that pig that they [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Ed "Ashton Crusher" <demi@moore.net> wrote in message >>I can't see the Grand Marquis as being over priced - if you like that sort >>of thing. I can buy one for less than a V-6 Camry with similar equipment [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > great handling car with a nice solid ride and about 22 mpg on the > highway. Probably most people don't get and don't know of the package. I had one as a rental and it was like driving a living room sofa bobbing on ocean waves. Horrid machine on the highway. > If you > option it like police car, or simply order the police package, it's a > great handling car with a nice solid ride and about 22 mpg on the > highway. That's a bit of a stretch, no? I doubt it'll be pulling the Lotus' and Ferrari's through the corners. Better handling is a far cry from 'great' handling. b > That's a bit of a stretch, no? I doubt it'll be pulling the Lotus' and > Ferrari's through the corners. Better handling is a far cry from 'great' > handling. > > b Perhaps, but then put six people and luggage in the Lotus or Ferrari and hook the boat up behind ether of them as well. Whitelightning. >> That's a bit of a stretch, no? I doubt it'll be pulling the Lotus' and >> Ferrari's through the corners. Better handling is a far cry from 'great' [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Whitelightning. My buddy has a Grand Marquis (or whatever its called) and you can fit two in the front with NO legroom in the back. It's a big car but very very little legroom in the back. The only way you get 6 in there is if they're midgets and the boat is a 12 footer. b >> If you >> option it like police car, or simply order the police package, it's a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >b Everything is relative. Compared to just about anything else mass produced and at a reasonable price, adding the handling package makes it very very good but no, it's not going to knock off a Ferrari. Even years ago when R&T (or one of the major car mags) tested a police package Impala they were getting around 0.90 on the skid pad and praised how well it handled. These cars can handle surprisingly well when properly set up, it's really a shame they don't just build them all that way. > Everything is relative. Compared to just about anything else mass > produced and at a reasonable price, adding the handling package makes > it very very good but no, it's not going to knock off a Ferrari. Even > years ago when R&T (or one of the major car mags) tested a police > package Impala they were getting around 0.90 on the skid pad Handling isn't all just about the skidpad number, feedback from the car telling you when you are reaching the limits, how well it absorbs the road AND gives you feedback without losing grip through the bumpies, perfect power steering balance, all those things contribute. I've got a G35 and a Maxima that are the same year and very close to the same size, but the Max has horrible floaty handling, 45 ft turning radius, and a too much body roll. It handles considerably better than my fathers Impala and I still think it sucks because I'm used to the G35. RWD and IRS baby, that's the ticket. As soon as the Max is paid off I'm getting another 6 speed G35.... b >>> More crap from the fool >>>> "...the Dodge Ram is among the most egregiously overpriced cars in the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > great handling car with a nice solid ride and about 22 mpg on the > highway. More like 30-32 on the highway (at legal speeds :) I do have the Handling Package BTW... >>>> More crap from the fool >>>>> "...the Dodge Ram is among the most egregiously overpriced cars in the [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > I do have the Handling Package BTW... No one is getting a true 32 miles per gallon on a V-8 Grand Marquis, unless they are towing it... >>>>> More crap from the fool >>>>>> "...the Dodge Ram is among the most egregiously overpriced cars in the [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >No one is getting a true 32 miles per gallon on a V-8 Grand Marquis, unless >they are towing it... Or using "Canadian Gallons" which are 5/4 of a US (short) gallon)  SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Or using "Canadian Gallons" which are 5/4 of a US (short) gallon) Likely, since it's a Canadian car :) >> More like 30-32 on the highway (at legal speeds :) >> >> I do have the Handling Package BTW... > > No one is getting a true 32 miles per gallon on a V-8 Grand Marquis, > unless they are towing it... Maybe not, but I certainly got in the high 20's (27) with my Mother's old Grand Marquis with four people and luggage in the car on trip to Annapolis in 2006. In everyday driving (back and forth to work) I average 21 mpg - almost the same as with my current Fusion, and better than my SO 4 cylinder Front Wheel Drive RAV4. For comparison, this year we drove the RAV4 to Annapolis, with the same four people and luggage, and we got...wait for it.............27 mpg., the same as with the Grand Marquis. If you have not driven a Grand Marquis, I think you would be surprised at how good they are on gas. On a long trip my 6 cylinder AWD Fusion will beat it by no more than 1 or 2 miles per gallon. Ed >> More crap from the fool >>> "...the Dodge Ram is among the most egregiously overpriced cars in the [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Ed Ah you are so right. The "but" here is ---- given today's more common mindset among many drivers, it (the Tundra) is made by a Japanese company and therefore, by definition, must be superior to anything with an American badge on it. Don't confuse them with facts, their minds are made up already... DaveD >>> More crap from the fool >>>> "...the Dodge Ram is among the most egregiously overpriced cars in the [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > DaveD Sad, but true Dave... sad, but true..... <sigh> Mike >> Ah you are so right. The "but" here is ---- given today's more common >> mindset among many drivers, it (the Tundra) is made by a Japanese company [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Mike I have pretty good open-mind credentials on this, because my most recent purchase was an F-150. I dug around and it was a pretty clear winner. Things can always take an ugly turn, but so far, it appears to be one hell of a machine. It's a low mileage '96, but it's still a Ford. With that said, you can lament the public's attitude toward US manufacturers, but whose fault is that? I cannot speak to the whole market, but they produced some real junk 20+ years ago, and like it or not, it takes a long time for the collective memory to get past it. I can still remember the Buick that fell apart on me, and the company's terrible attitude about it. Now you have people not much older than me with kids leaving for college; what guidance do you think they provide? More to the point, what are they going to buy, as it is probably their money, not Junior's? It is damn hard to win over a customer; it is very easy to send them elsewhere, and while it was a long time ago, the US manufacturers did some really stupid stuff. The price has been high, but that's how it works. They knew that, or should have known it, when they were mis-behaving. The piper is still collecting royalties. If it helps any, I have noted that Nissan's attitude toward my 18 year old Sentra has been less than stellar. Sure they don't make money on me, but one would hope they would see it as badge of honor and at least bag the hostility. In fairness, I think it is mostly a dealer (which I visit only when there is no other choice) taken over by poor management. However, I also noted a few years ago that Nissan was worst of class in SUVs or something. Nissan might be in the throws of the same mistakes that Buick and others made decades ago??? Bill > If it helps any, I have noted that Nissan's attitude toward my 18 year old > Sentra has been less than stellar. Sure they don't make money on me, but [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Bill Could it be because of the merger with Reanult? One only has to lok to Mack trucks to see the way Reanult works, they milked Mack for everything they could and then sold the dregs to Volvo. The media is as much to blame as anyone. Let GM or Ford have a recall and their all over it like vultures on road kill. But how comes they never do the same on the ricers? Whitelightning >> If it helps any, I have noted that Nissan's attitude toward my 18 year old >> Sentra has been less than stellar. Sure they don't make money on me, but [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > trucks to see the way Reanult works, they milked Mack for everything they > could and then sold the dregs to Volvo. Not sure; I will look for signs of it. > The media is as much to blame as anyone. Let GM or Ford have a recall and > their all over it like vultures on road kill. But how comes they never do > the same on the ricers? Excellent point. Bill >"...the Dodge Ram is among the most egregiously overpriced cars in the >U.S. Rounding out the top five: the Mercury Grand Marquis, Ford's F- >150, the Dodge Durango and the GMC Envoy..." > >Forbes.com article: http://easyurl.net/Overpriced An old auctioneer friend of mine told me years ago "an item is worth EXACTLY what the highest bidder is willing to pay for it in a given place on a given day - not one cent more, and not one cent less" As long as people keep buying these vehicles at the price they are selling for, they are NOT overpriced. You MAY argue about the sanity of anyone who pays that kind of money for the vehicle, but sales figures appear to speak for the price. Would I buy any of them? NOPE. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > An old auctioneer friend of mine told me years ago "an item is worth > EXACTLY what the highest bidder is willing to pay for it in a given > place on a given day - not one cent more, and not one cent less" I paid what I was willing to pay when I got my 2004 F-150 and do not consider that I paid more than it was worth at the time. I got good money for my trade-in and a discount on the new truck that was better than I expected to get. You comment above is exactly correct. Once the buyer and seller reach argreement and the sale occurs, the vehicle was not overpriced. Aren't ALL cars overpriced. ;-) > "...the Dodge Ram is among the most egregiously overpriced cars in the > U.S. Rounding out the top five: the Mercury Grand Marquis, Ford's F- > 150, the Dodge Durango and the GMC Envoy..." > > Forbes.com article: http://easyurl.net/Overpriced > "...the Dodge Ram is among the most egregiously overpriced cars in the > U.S. Rounding out the top five: the Mercury Grand Marquis, Ford's F- > 150, the Dodge Durango and the GMC Envoy..." > > Forbes.com article: http://easyurl.net/Overpriced Not sure why they list the Durango. The MSRP might be overpriced but Dodge almost always has $4,000-$6,000 rebates. Mine stickered at 34K and I bought it for 24K which to me was a great price for a 4x4 Hemi SLT Durango. "miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message > Not sure why they list the Durango. The MSRP might be overpriced but > Dodge almost always has $4,000-$6,000 rebates. Mine stickered at 34K and > I bought it for 24K which to me was a great price for a 4x4 Hemi SLT > Durango. But is would sure suck at 34K sticker price. My guess is that is what they mean. At work, we recently bought an F-250 4WD and plow package for 25K. Sticker was 30ish before the plow. > "miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message >> Not sure why they list the Durango. The MSRP might be overpriced but [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > At work, we recently bought an F-250 4WD and plow package for 25K. Sticker > was 30ish before the plow. I haven't bought a new vehicle in a LONG time, so I am not well informed. Do you not get nailed sales tax on the rebate amount? That would irritate me worse than itching powder - hand me my own money back minus 7-10%. Bill >> "miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message >>> Not sure why they list the Durango. The MSRP might be overpriced but [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Bill The rebate can be assigned to the dealer and it just becomes a discount on the vehicle, thus no sales tax on that portion. 10%? What state is that? I certainly don't want to live there. >>> "miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message >>>> Not sure why they list the Durango. The MSRP might be overpriced but [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > the vehicle, thus no sales tax on that portion. 10%? What state is that? I > certainly don't want to live there. Sorry, just guesstimating for counties like the one that surrounds my place of work. They'd tax the air we breathe if they could; yes, I do struggle with whether I should move out of it. If you will forgive the political semi-rant, consider that the states that do not have a sales tax of 7% or more, make up for it by taxing income, and that counties (and probably cities???) add their own sales taxes. I actually prefer sales taxes to the alternatives, because they get in the buyer's face. Add up what you pay to government in income, payroll, property and sales taxes, then throw in some of the fees and the items utilities say that "your local government _asks_[*] that you _contribute_..." All of that says nothing of the costs imposed on us by government regulation; that's not all bad, but it is out of control. It strikes me that we have an obligation to over-estimate the cost of government, because government does everything it can to hide what it takes from us. At the federal level, they/we spend three TRILLION dollars per year. One thing that would help deobfuscate the cost of government would be the FairTax. It won't fix the spending, but it would bring the tax man out into the open. Hopefully then, the people paying the tab would start pressuring their representatives to cut the largess. [*] try saying 'no' sometime - then you will discover it is yet another tax. End of rant. Happy New Year! Bill "Bill Schwab" <bschwab@anest.ufl.edu> wrote in message > Sorry, just guesstimating for counties like the one that surrounds my > place of work. They'd tax the air we breathe if they could; yes, I do [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Bill Rant on if you want. I don't mind paying a fair tax for services, but I don't want to pay for all the waste and pork around. You forgot the "tax the business" that is so popular. When given a choice,, people will support an added tax as long as it is on the local businesses, not on them. They forget that businesses don't pay any taxes. They just pass that along with the price of goods sold and the consumer still pays in the end. In our state (CT) we also pay a personal property tax on our cars. Value is based on book value, not condition or actual value. No pay, no registration. Edwin, > "Bill Schwab" <bschwab@anest.ufl.edu> wrote in message >> Sorry, just guesstimating for counties like the one that surrounds my [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Rant on if you want. I don't mind paying a fair tax for services, but I > don't want to pay for all the waste and pork around. Agreed. Though I add that frequently government has a loose way of deciding which services to provide. My city made a big thing of canceling its New Year's Eve celebration. To their credit, they did cancel it. If the businesses in their little downtown panacea (complete with high prices, limited hours of operation, poor selection, lousy roads, and insufficient parking - you have to know the area or just take my word for it<g>) want to pay to attract people, let them dig into their own pockets and raise their already bloated prices. Again, I am forced to give the city credit for (no doubt grudgingly) taking a stance approximating that. Our county would simply let roads go to even further toward hell and raise property taxes to cover it. That would be in addition to the extra gasoline tax, purportedly for roads, gets wasted on who knows what. I said I would stop ranting ;) > You forgot the "tax the business" that is so popular. When given a choice,, > people will support an added tax as long as it is on the local businesses, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > based on book value, not condition or actual value. No pay, no > registration. You sound like you might already be aware of the concept, but just in case, have a look at: http://www.fairtax.org It's not just a fair tax; it's the FairTax. Government would still be out of control, but I think it would help Joe Average start to see just how much he's paying for the free lunch at Uncle Sam's Grill. That in turn should cramp the career politician's life style. Bill > "...the Dodge Ram is among the most egregiously overpriced cars in the > U.S. Rounding out the top five: the Mercury Grand Marquis, Ford's F- > 150, the Dodge Durango and the GMC Envoy..." > > Forbes.com article: http://easyurl.net/Overpriced Well since the Dodge Ram isn't a car your info is already flawed. Moron. Bob > "...the Dodge Ram is among the most egregiously overpriced cars in the > U.S. Rounding out the top five: the Mercury Grand Marquis, Ford's F- > 150, the Dodge Durango and the GMC Envoy..." Yet only one of these vehicles is a car. Jeff > Forbes.com article: http://easyurl.net/Overpriced |
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