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beekeep - 04 Feb 2008 03:11 GMT GIANTS WIN THE SUPERBOWL!
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Mike Simmons - 04 Feb 2008 10:10 GMT > GIANTS WIN THE SUPERBOWL! > > beekeep Denny musta jumped on the bandwagon at the last minute cuz the wheels fell off....
;^)
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Nathan W. Collier - 04 Feb 2008 16:04 GMT > GIANTS WIN THE SUPERBOWL! <RANT> lol....ive never understood why so many care about watching strangers chase a ball around a field and then feel happy if they win or actually saddened/angry if they lose as if they somehow share in the victory or loss. how many sports win/loss related riots have you seen? not directed at you greg, but to people in general....if people cared as much about what happened with their children in school today and got involved at least as much as they do with who is winning what game we'd be a whole lot better off as a country. watching grown men chase a ball around is about as irrational and illogical a thing ive ever imagined. perhaps if todays professional athlete cared more about the type of role models they are to children i could at least try to see some reason in it. from dog fighting to dealing drugs to murder, these people tend to be thugs and you worship them and teach your children to worship them as heros all because because they were born with the ability to chase a ball around. it just makes no sense. i do not intend to be offensive, and i apologize if my beliefs hurt your feelings but these are my beliefs. teach your kids that _good_ teachers are heros. policemen, firemen, soldiers, and good parents are the real heroes as they contribute far more to society than making a touchdown. </RANT>
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mac davis - 04 Feb 2008 17:15 GMT >> GIANTS WIN THE SUPERBOWL! > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >contribute far more to society than making a touchdown. ></RANT> What Nate said.. and an added "WTF are they thinking, paying those dudes so much?"
I know it's a marketing thing, but a lineman makes more a year that a friggin' cancer researcher or college professor.. I also realize that it's a tough game and careers are short and all that, but several million a year to catch or throw a ball is a little much..
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Roy - 04 Feb 2008 17:48 GMT >>> GIANTS WIN THE SUPERBOWL! >> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > but > several million a year to catch or throw a ball is a little much.. Well, I guess we can do away with all pro and college sports. Christ knows we shouldn't have any break from what is going on in the world today. I suppose we all should sell our toy's, trucks, campers, rv's, guns, fishing gear, tv's all of our toys that are used for enjoyment and sit and ponder wtf we can do to solve the worlds problems.
No, nobody hurt my feeling but lighten the f.ck up will ya. I'm having a tough time as it is.<G>
Roy
> mac > > Please remove splinters before emailing Nathan W. Collier - 04 Feb 2008 18:18 GMT > Well, I guess we can do away with all pro and college sports perhaps if less emphasis were placed on college sports and more were placed on academics our students would be so far behind japanese, chinese, etc. students.
> nobody hurt my feeling but lighten the f.ck up will ya. im not asking anyone to give up anything, im only expressing my opinion that may or may not be worth anything to anyone. i had my tonsils removed a couple days ago and im just sitting here rambling incoherently anyway in a percocet induced haze, ignore me. there is nothing wrong with pointless entertainment value....it just frustrates me every time the biggest news of the day is who won a dang football game...._especially_ when we have troops in harms way, a failed health care system, a failing economy, and a downright pitiful educational system. there is no more moral fiber in this country, very few role models for our children to look up to....but hey, that was some game.
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Roy - 04 Feb 2008 18:57 GMT >> Well, I guess we can do away with all pro and college sports > > perhaps if less emphasis were placed on college sports and more were > placed on academics our students would be so far behind japanese, chinese, > etc. students. Agreed. But then you would have to have a administration that would be willing to pay teachers more than the pay that the guy who picks up your trash recieves.
>> nobody hurt my feeling but lighten the f.ck up will ya. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > this country, very few role models for our children to look up to....but > hey, that was some game. While we are on the education system here's part of the problem. Since we moved to FL my wife has been doing substitue teaching at different school around the county. A few day's ago she was called to cover a music/ band class, I know real mind bending stuff. Anyway she walks in there is zilch for a lesson plan to follow but she figures the kids might have some idea anyway. The class files in, 90 friggin' kids14 -16 years old That's right 90. HTF do you teach a class that size filled with teenagers? Two minutes into the class a fisfight breaks out on the other side of the room, total horror show. Welcome to a underfunded education system. This country is too busy sticking it's nose into every other countries issues to do anything about the problems here.
Ya really want to get me going how about this.
The f.cking DOD for about 6 months was disallowing PTSD claims from CV's who had done 3 tours. The DOD say's it was a pre exsisting condition. That has since changed, but thes guy's and gal's get f.cked over about every time they turn around.
Ya Nate, I'll watch the super bowl and friggin' enjoy the hell out of it. It for a few hours takes my mind off the elected a.s holes who are running this country.
Nathan W. Collier - 04 Feb 2008 19:26 GMT > you would have to have a administration that would be willing to pay > teachers more than the pay that the guy who picks up your trash recieves. while i agree that teachers are underpaid, that does not excuse them from doing their best. i feel that it is tenure and not the low compensation that has ruined our public education system. you end tenure, youll see a turn-around in public education in this country. with tenure we have people teaching our children who dont even have to try because they cannot be fired. there are some _great_ teachers out there, but sadly they are the exception and not the rule. we have given way to much power to the teachers union.
> I'll watch the super bowl and friggin' enjoy the hell out of it. and thats just fine sir, im glad you found some great entertainment. i watched terminator 2 last night and i enjoyed the heck out of that too......but it wasnt front page news this morning. :-)
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Roy - 04 Feb 2008 20:13 GMT >> you would have to have a administration that would be willing to pay >> teachers more than the pay that the guy who picks up your trash recieves. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the exception and not the rule. we have given way to much power to the > teachers union. That's the same drum beat that has been going on for years. You get what you pay for.. WTF is going to spend money to get a few degrees, a few years of their life and make less than the damn trash collector? I've watched my wife spend in the area of $20 a week for stuff that the school can't supply, or won't supply, or ran out of. You miss one thing Nate. Every school departmentnegotiates a contract with their teachers. That is a two way street, so please no crying about the powerful teachers union. I belonged to some very powerful union's while I was working.and the bs that my wife brought home from the "powerful teachers union" a half assed HR could turn them upside down.
I note that you blew right by the super over crowded classroom. They don't even take attendence. When this country decides it is serious about educating our kids rather than baby sitting them or running a day care maybe then things will change.
>> I'll watch the super bowl and friggin' enjoy the hell out of it. > > and thats just fine sir, im glad you found some great entertainment. i > watched terminator 2 last night and i enjoyed the heck out of that > too......but it wasnt front page news this morning. :-) Nate, ya have to stop watching reruns.<G>
Nathan W. Collier - 05 Feb 2008 02:55 GMT > That's the same drum beat that has been going on for years. You get what > you pay for. but you dont pony up more money in hopes that they will start caring enough to do a good job.
>. WTF is going to spend money to get a few degrees, a few years of their >life and make less than the damn trash collector? but if they make the choice anyway to be teachers knowing what it pays, how does that justify not trying to be the best dang teacher you can be?
> please no crying about the powerful teachers union. negotiating a contract is in not way related to tenure. please justify tenure to me. why does a teacher deserve to be employed even if they do a piss poor job?
> I note that you blew right by the super over crowded classroom. sorry, im not really at my best. im eating pain killers like m&m's trying to cope with the tonsillectomy and and pretty numb all over......but doin' my best to keep up. :-)
> Nate, ya have to stop watching reruns.<G> ah heck, those late 80's action movies are some of the best.
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Roy - 05 Feb 2008 14:15 GMT >> That's the same drum beat that has been going on for years. You get what >> you pay for. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > but if they make the choice anyway to be teachers knowing what it pays, > how does that justify not trying to be the best dang teacher you can be? Here's the rub. Most start out thrilled to teach but after a bit with the kid's, parents, administration, lack of supplies, lack of support, and joy is soon gone with a large number of teachers.
>> please no crying about the powerful teachers union. > > negotiating a contract is in not way related to tenure. please justify > tenure to me. why does a teacher deserve to be employed even if they do a > piss poor job? Still beating that drum huh? How do you think tenure is in the contract? It was negotiated in. So it can be negotiated out if the problem is so great, but doubtful that is the case. Okay, in most sytems you don't reach tenure until 3+ years. I would think that in three years a principal could determine if a teacher is any good or not.
Also most systems teach to a test that must be passed to graduate. Low numbers mean that the administration as well as the teachers are in the sh.t. But the deal with teaching to the test is that kid's learn what is on that test and nothing more. Of course now that we have mainstreamed kid's with behavior or other more advanced problems it has become a real mess. My wife was called for a job one night last week, 3rd grade. The special instruction's were " must be able to lift 70 pounds and assist student in bathroom" She declined the job. Now think about it. In a class room of kids this poor kid has to go to the bathroom, the regular teacher has to stop teaching to the test and carry this kid and put him on the toilet, then clean him/her up when done. Tell me more about tenure You hang all the problems of education on tenure and unions, talk about having you head in the sand.
>> I note that you blew right by the super over crowded classroom. > > sorry, im not really at my best. im eating pain killers like m&m's trying > to cope with the tonsillectomy and and pretty numb all over......but doin' > my best to keep up. :-) Try harder 'cause ya blew right over it again.<G>
>> Nate, ya have to stop watching reruns.<G> > > ah heck, those late 80's action movies are some of the best. They were. Sue got me a few DVD's for Christmas, Bullet, Vanishing Point, and the original Gone in 60 Seconds. Real cool stuff.
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Nathan W. Collier - 05 Feb 2008 17:32 GMT > Here's the rub. Most start out thrilled to teach but after a bit with the > kid's, parents, administration, lack of supplies, lack of support, and joy > is soon gone with a large number of teachers. yup.....after gaining tenure they just stop caring to try. not all, but most.
> in most sytems you don't reach tenure until 3+ years. I would think that > in three years a principal could determine if a teacher is any good or > not. not if it takes them awhile to become disgruntled as you stated above. if teachers do a good job, why do they need tenture? tenure protects weak teachers just like the union protects weak workers. strong workers dont need a union to succeed, and neither do good teachers.
> In a class room of kids this poor kid has to go to the bathroom, the > regular teacher has to stop teaching to the test and carry this kid and > put him on the toilet, then clean him/her up when done. Tell me more about > tenure You hang all the problems of education on tenure and unions, talk > about having you head in the sand. how is tending the special needs of one special child related to tenure? it isnt. remove tenure and teachers have to do a good job to keep their job. why does a teacher deserve job protection if theyre doing a poor job?
> They were. Sue got me a few DVD's for Christmas, Bullet, Vanishing Point, > and the original Gone in 60 Seconds. Real cool stuff. now you _are_ talking older movies. the best ones from that era would have to be the dirty harry series....and a few of eastwoods older westerns like good bad and ugly. those were movies.
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Roy - 05 Feb 2008 22:15 GMT >> Here's the rub. Most start out thrilled to teach but after a bit with the >> kid's, parents, administration, lack of supplies, lack of support, and [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > how is tending the special needs of one special child related to tenure? You have part of the problem. WTF is a special needs child doing in a regular classroom. They put 5 sped kids in a regular class and the teacher spends all her time tending to those 5 kids to the detriment of the rest of the class.
> it isnt. remove tenure and teachers have to do a good job to keep their > job. why does a teacher deserve job protection if theyre doing a poor job? So I guess you are hanging the problems with the education system on tenure and teacher unions. If that is the case it is foolish for us to go any further with it.
>> They were. Sue got me a few DVD's for Christmas, Bullet, Vanishing Point, >> and the original Gone in 60 Seconds. Real cool stuff. > > now you _are_ talking older movies. the best ones from that era would > have to be the dirty harry series....and a few of eastwoods older westerns > like good bad and ugly. those were movies. The Italian westerns were good. Also most of Sam Elliots stuff was fun as well.
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> Nathan In Montana > http://BighornTactical.com [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > http://PPStalk.com > http://P7talk.com Nosey - 04 Feb 2008 19:46 GMT > This country is too busy sticking it's nose into every other > countries issues to do anything about the problems here. If you really want to know what's going on in the government watch this BBC documentary: http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares
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TBone - 05 Feb 2008 21:16 GMT >> Well, I guess we can do away with all pro and college sports > > perhaps if less emphasis were placed on college sports and more were > placed on academics our students would be so far behind japanese, chinese, > etc. students. Sadly Nate, much of that is due to the attitude of the students and their parents.
>> nobody hurt my feeling but lighten the f.ck up will ya. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > this country, very few role models for our children to look up to....but > hey, that was some game. Because all of the things that you mentioned are sadly the way of this country and don't change from day to day so what exactly are they going to report on it that most of us don't already know. The news is also a business and sales are what counts and something exciting to many will sell much better than the same old sh.t that we hear about every day. Now if something happened that could and would change that, then I can bet it would take priority over somethong like a football game but that sadly hasn't happened and probably never will. Our attitude and economy is in the toilet and will stay there until the people take responsibility and take action and we both know that will never happen.
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Nathan W. Collier - 09 Feb 2008 17:30 GMT the tonsillectomy has turned into a massive throat infection which has resulted in heavy antibiotics and even heavier pain killers (up to 10mg percocet now instead of 5). while i do enjoy escaping the unbelievable pain, i HATE being a complete and total zombie. i dont know how junkies can possibly LIKE this feeling. they must be trying to escape pains ive never imagined. ive been strung out on this crap for about 9 days or so now and cant wait to be lucid again. it really sucks not being able to feel your little daughters kiss on your cheek.
....anybody else in here ever had their tonsils removed when they were 30 years old or older? the PA i saw yesterday (roughly 40 years old also) said she had her tonsils removed last december and despite being in the tonsil business and dealing with it every day she never fully appreciated what its like until going through it herself. she says i have about another 3-4 days of mysery and can hopefully come off the dope then. i really hope thats true. she says my tongue will feel numb for at least another week or so and that i should have actual taste back in 2-3 more weeks.
if i had it to do over again i still would of had them removed. they have always been a problem for me and in fact i had to redo much of army basic training due to tonsilitis when i was 17. just last month i thought i would have to intebate myself with a piece of plumbing pipe just to be able to breathe. nothing like waking up at 4am being strangled by your own tonsils. this happened 2-3 times a year every year but the doctors didnt want to remove my tonsils. they say it was to avoid what im going through now, but i think it was to guarantee return business. :-)
so anyway i guess ive rambled enough. thanks for the distraction guys, it helps to pass the time.
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Christopher D. Thompson - 10 Feb 2008 15:12 GMT > the tonsillectomy has turned into a massive throat infection which has > resulted in heavy antibiotics and even heavier pain killers (up to 10mg [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > so anyway i guess ive rambled enough. thanks for the distraction guys, > it helps to pass the time. Nate I hope and pray you get to feeling better soon.
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Nathan W. Collier - 10 Feb 2008 21:17 GMT > Nate I hope and pray you get to feeling better soon. many thanks. im hoping to at least be off the pain killers this week so i can function somewhat normal again.
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Roy - 11 Feb 2008 01:07 GMT >> Nate I hope and pray you get to feeling better soon. > > many thanks. im hoping to at least be off the pain killers this week so i > can function somewhat normal again. Yup, time for ya man up. <BFG>
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beekeep - 11 Feb 2008 03:48 GMT I bet you're feeling better than this guy. http://www.b0g.org/wsnm/articles/This+Is+Twisted
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>the tonsillectomy has turned into a massive throat infection which has >resulted in heavy antibiotics and even heavier pain killers (up to 10mg [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >so anyway i guess ive rambled enough. thanks for the distraction guys, it >helps to pass the time. Nathan W. Collier - 11 Feb 2008 04:14 GMT >I bet you're feeling better than this guy. > http://www.b0g.org/wsnm/articles/This+Is+Twisted ....i dont think hes feeling much of _any_thing. dang, what a way to go. guess he didnt notice the warning labels. :-)
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Christopher D. Thompson - 05 Feb 2008 03:35 GMT > Well, I guess we can do away with all pro and college sports. Christ > knows we shouldn't have any break from what is going on in the world [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> >> Please remove splinters before emailing sell the GUNS???? damn! you running a fever there Roy?
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Roy - 05 Feb 2008 14:20 GMT >> Well, I guess we can do away with all pro and college sports. Christ >> knows we shouldn't have any break from what is going on in the world [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > sell the GUNS???? damn! you running a fever there Roy? Well, maybe not the guns but ya get my point<G>
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Denny - 06 Feb 2008 01:59 GMT >>> Well, I guess we can do away with all pro and college sports. Christ >>> knows we shouldn't have any break from what is going on in the world [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Well, maybe not the guns but ya get my point<G> Hell, I made you several offers on the ar. Are you willing yet???? <BG>
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Roy - 06 Feb 2008 02:18 GMT >>>> Well, I guess we can do away with all pro and college sports. Christ >>>> knows we shouldn't have any break from what is going on in the world [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Denny Nope, I'm keeping it, and the sig239 and Sue's S&W 357. The sig226 and the ppk have been sold.
Still haven't found a outdoor range we like around here.
You probably ought to save your money for more round to practice with. Maybe you'll be able to beat the young lady. <BFG>
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KenS - 04 Feb 2008 18:53 GMT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNxLxTZHKM8
Click above for Andy Griffith's thoughts on football.
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>> GIANTS WIN THE SUPERBOWL! > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > touchdown. > </RANT>
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