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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Trucks / August 20081996 Dodge Transmission - Progression of Bad Behavior - Recovery Plan?
1996 Dodge Maxi Van (3500 series, 1 ton, 15-passenger bus). 158,000 miles. 5.9 liter (360 CI) V-8, automatic. For a few weeks, it was slow to shift out of first gear. You could let off on the accelerator, and encourage it to upshift, but it tended to stay in lower gear a little too long otherwise. Then it stopped shifting out of first at all. Fluid wasn't really low, but I tried very slightly overfilling it and this cleared up the problem - temporarily. Next day, it once again wouldn't shift out of first. Then it stopped pulling in first gear, and now only has reverse. This progression (from sluggish to inoperable) occured over about a two-day period. Pulled the pan and filter. It looked as if it had never been taken off. Lots of sludge stuck to magnet, total of about 1/4 teaspoon of aluminum filings recovered from pan. Maybe that's normal for 12 years and 160K miles, I don't know. This is my first auto transmission problem. Friend advised me to clean it up good, replace filter, put in 1 qt of K&W Trans-X with clean fluid, and see what happens. Plan to do this on my day off. Any comments or other ideas? thanks, Martin Try your friend's advice by all means....but have the phone number of a good transmission shop programmed into your cell phone, cause I think you're gonna need it! At 160,000 miles you've gotten your money's worth and a tranny rebuild is likely in the cards. > 1996 Dodge Maxi Van (3500 series, 1 ton, 15-passenger bus). 158,000 > miles. 5.9 liter (360 CI) V-8, automatic. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Martin > 1996 Dodge Maxi Van (3500 series, 1 ton, 15-passenger bus). 158,000 > miles. 5.9 liter (360 CI) V-8, automatic. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Martin $2400.00 took care of all those problems for me at 100K miles. This after 3 trips to the shop for quick-fixes. At 160K, you're way ahead of me. But I have a feeling you're due for a rebuild. Wolfie I had those shifting symptons at 200000 mi and a lube of the downshift cable at the trans fixed my problem. Still shifting fine at 245,000! 97 but I think yours is beyond that fix. dakota 4x4 5.2.  SignatureDick > 1996 Dodge Maxi Van (3500 series, 1 ton, 15-passenger bus). 158,000 > miles. 5.9 liter (360 CI) V-8, automatic. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > and 160K miles, I don't know. This is my first auto transmission > problem. > 1996 Dodge Maxi Van (3500 series, 1 ton, 15-passenger bus). 158,000 > miles. 5.9 liter (360 CI) V-8, automatic. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Martin $2400.00 took care of all those problems for me at 100K miles. This after 3 trips to the shop for quick-fixes. At 160K, you're way ahead of me. But I have a feeling you're due for a rebuild. Wolfie Don't have a service manual, but the owner's guide says to "perform a band adjustment" whenever the transmission fluid and filter are changed. Anyone have a procedure for this "band adjustment"? thanks, Martin > 1996 Dodge Maxi Van (3500 series, 1 ton, 15-passenger bus). 158,000 > miles. 5.9 liter (360 CI) V-8, automatic. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Martin > Don't have a service manual, but the owner's guide says to "perform a > band adjustment" whenever the transmission fluid and filter are > changed. Anyone have a procedure for this "band adjustment"? Band adjustment: http://www.dodgeram.org/tech/transmission/automatic/AT_band_adj.htm SignatureKen Thanks Ken, I downloaded and saved it. Looks pretty simple. Martin > > Don't have a service manual, but the owner's guide says to "perform a > > band adjustment" whenever the transmission fluid and filter are [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > -- > Ken > Thanks Ken, I downloaded and saved it. Looks pretty simple. It's not complicated, by a long shot. But, depending on the specific vehicle, you may find working on the front band adjuster a little cramped (doing the adjustment on my '03 pickup was a breeze, compared to the '00 Durango I was just working on). A crow's foot is very handy for getting at the front adjuster locknut. Ok, I'm going to replace the filter and fluid this weekend, and adjust the bands. Is there anthing else I can service/clean without dropping the transmission? For example, is there a way to drain the dirty fluid out of the torque converter, maybe a drain plug behind the inspection cover? Can I remove the valve body (the stuff that gets modified/replaced when installing a "shift kit") and perhaps do some good by disassembling and cleaning it? What else? I want to give myself the best possible chance of having a truck that moves forward when I put it back together and refill. thanks, Martin >What else? I want to give myself the best possible chance of having a >truck that moves forward when I put it back together and refill. Park it facing downhill? Sorry, Martin, couldn't resist that opening.. ;-] mac Please remove splinters before emailing > On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:26:11 -0700 (PDT), Martin > <funkychateauSPAM@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> > Park it facing downhill? Ouch!!<VBG> > Sorry, Martin, couldn't resist that opening.. ;-] Ya beat me bro.<G> Roy > mac > > Please remove splinters before emailing >> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:26:11 -0700 (PDT), Martin >> <funkychateauSPAM@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Ya beat me bro.<G> That slowing down that comes with old age will get ya every time... Denny >>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:26:11 -0700 (PDT), Martin >>> <funkychateauSPAM@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Denny Prick!<G> Roy >>>>What else? I want to give myself the best possible chance of having a >>>>truck that moves forward when I put it back together and refill. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Denny Well, he's not one of those sharp-tongued New Englanders anymore, Denny.. mac Please remove splinters before emailing >>>>>What else? I want to give myself the best possible chance of having a >>>>>truck that moves forward when I put it back together and refill. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> > Well, he's not one of those sharp-tongued New Englanders anymore, Denny.. Right... He's one of those Fla. dead-peckers.. Denny >>>>>>What else? I want to give myself the best possible chance of having a >>>>>>truck that moves forward when I put it back together and refill. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Denny Yada, yada, alway's lashing out. Just hold this thought wide ride. In about 4 short months you'll be out there chasing friggin' snowflakes freezeing your fat a.s off. While I, on the other hand, will calmly be reaching into my cooler for another cold brew, while sprawled on the beach. Regarding your "dead pecker" cheap shot You haven't been able to see yours for soooo damn long, you don't know whether you have one or not! Roy >>>>>>>What else? I want to give myself the best possible chance of having >>>>>>>a [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Yada, yada, alway's lashing out. It's what some of us do best... > Just hold this thought wide ride. In about 4 short months you'll be out > there chasing friggin' snowflakes freezeing your fat a.s off. While I, on > the other hand, will calmly be reaching into my cooler for another cold > brew, while sprawled on the beach. Of the two choices, I'd rather be out making toy money. BTW, I don't think "calmly" is the correct word in your description. Old folks ususally have a case of the shakes... > Regarding your "dead pecker" cheap shot You haven't been able to see yours > for soooo damn long, you don't know whether you have one or not! I'll take your word for it. Experience counts in most things. I'm sure when your shakey old hand grabs onto yours it's nothing but a big-assed grin on your face... Denny > Roy >>>>>>>>What else? I want to give myself the best possible chance of having >>>>>>>>a [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Of the two choices, I'd rather be out making toy money. Tell the truth will ya. Youve been supporting WC for years. BTW, I don't think > "calmly" is the correct word in your description. Old folks ususally have > a case of the shakes... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > when your shakey old hand grabs onto yours it's nothing but a big-assed > grin on your face... It takes 2 hands! <G> Roy > Denny > >> Roy >> I'll take your word for it. Experience counts in most things. I'm sure >> when your shakey old hand grabs onto yours it's nothing but a big-assed [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Roy One to pull the belly up out of the way? mac Please remove splinters before emailing >>> I'll take your word for it. Experience counts in most things. I'm sure >>> when your shakey old hand grabs onto yours it's nothing but a big-assed [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> > One to pull the belly up out of the way? They begin to circle........<BG> Roy > mac > > Please remove splinters before emailing >>>> I'll take your word for it. Experience counts in most things. I'm sure >>>> when your shakey old hand grabs onto yours it's nothing but a big-assed [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > They begin to circle........<BG> ROFLMFAO!!!!!! Denny >>>>> I'll take your word for it. Experience counts in most things. I'm >>>>> sure [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > ROFLMFAO!!!!!! Here's another one! The pudgy one!<VBG> So now we have the old hippy, the wide assed rabbit and the jet lagged cookie maker. I would think that between the three of ya, you would be able to come up with some decent cheap shots. But friggin' no!! All ya have is junk! You should be ashamed. We have standards here. Jeeezzze, I'm going to the beach for a bit. Please try to get it together.Maybe ya need more help. Or maybe I'll hold cue cards for ya. <GBMFG> Roy > Denny >>>>>> I'll take your word for it. Experience counts in most things. I'm >>>>>> sure [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > more help. Or maybe I'll hold cue cards for ya. > <GBMFG> And this looks like the same ole back pedaling to me. Maybe you're forgetting the good stuff since the Alzheimer's <SP> has set in??? Hey, I got a quick question for ya. When you go to the beach, do you have to put some kind of feet or paddles on the bottom of the walker legs? I'd hate to see ya get stuck in the sand and have to call 911.. If you remembered your phone anyways... Denny >>>>>>> I'll take your word for it. Experience counts in most things. I'm >>>>>>> sure [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > And this looks like the same ole back pedaling to me. Maybe you're > forgetting the good stuff since the Alzheimer's <SP> has set in??? No, no. I'm talking about the stuff in the past couple of days. Horrible!! > Hey, I got a quick question for ya. When you go to the beach, do you have > to put some kind of feet or paddles on the bottom of the walker legs? I'd > hate to see ya get stuck in the sand and have to call 911.. If you > remembered your phone anyways... That is a another, weak, failed attempt at a cheap shot. But since I am heading for the beach for a bit of fishing before the storm messes the ocean up. I'll try to wave to your look alike relatives, if any swim by. Gotta take a phone to the beach. sh.t happens too quick around here with rip current's, shark bites and other stuff. While your sprawled on the couch tonight, you might want to watch the Pat's. Game is around 8PM I believe. Roy > Denny >>>>>>>> I'll take your word for it. Experience counts in most things. I'm >>>>>>>> sure [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > No, no. I'm talking about the stuff in the past couple of days. Horrible!! Just cause you're on the short end doesn't mean it's horrible... >> Hey, I got a quick question for ya. When you go to the beach, do you have >> to put some kind of feet or paddles on the bottom of the walker legs? I'd [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Gotta take a phone to the beach. sh.t happens too quick around here with > rip current's, shark bites and other stuff. HTF does a shark open it's jaws far enough to get a bite on your carcass is beyond me.... > While your sprawled on the couch tonight, you might want to watch the > Pat's. Game is around 8PM I believe. Believe all ya want, it's fair week up here. Gotta get your priorities straight buddy Denny >>>>>>>>> I'll take your word for it. Experience counts in most things. I'm >>>>>>>>> sure [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Just cause you're on the short end doesn't mean it's horrible... Sure it does. Budd rules! <G> >>> Hey, I got a quick question for ya. When you go to the beach, do you >>> have to put some kind of feet or paddles on the bottom of the walker [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > HTF does a shark open it's jaws far enough to get a bite on your carcass > is beyond me.... Not bad , not bad at all.<BFG> >> While your sprawled on the couch tonight, you might want to watch the >> Pat's. Game is around 8PM I believe. > > Believe all ya want, it's fair week up here. Gotta get your priorities > straight buddy No Brady, bad ankle. Roy > Denny >> Just cause you're on the short end doesn't mean it's horrible... > > Sure it does. Budd rules! <G> Damn it, I forgot all about the Budd laws....... Denny > Ok, I'm going to replace the filter and fluid this weekend, and adjust > the bands. Is there anthing else I can service/clean without dropping > the transmission? Anybody have a clue about the valve body thing? Is it OK to remove it and take it apart for cleaning? Anything in particular I need to watch out for, like springs that are going to fly across the garage? Martin > For example, is there a way to drain the dirty fluid out of the torque > converter, maybe a drain plug behind the inspection cover? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Martin > Ok, I'm going to replace the filter and fluid this weekend, and adjust > the bands. Is there anthing else I can service/clean without dropping > the transmission? Anybody have a clue about the valve body thing? Is it OK to remove it and take it apart for cleaning? Anything in particular I need to watch out for, like springs that are going to fly across the garage? Martin I watched the mechanic do my '95 4x4 and didn't "see" anything unusual, but he is the expert and not me. Mine was done at 170,000 miles the first time after a lot of heavy towing and hard driving. He did the "shift kit" and it sure makes it shift stronger and seems not to shift up and down quite so often on medium grades. The "shift kit" actually comprised of enlarging one of the ports in the valve body for more quantity of flow and a remap of the computer (Mopar high performance). He didn't charge for it and said they do it on all the Dodges of that era. I caught mine before it self-destructed and it cost about 1,400 bucks. Ed > On Aug 14, 11:26 am, Martin <funkychateauS...@yahoo.com> wrote:> Ok, I'm going to replace the filter and fluid this weekend, and adjust > > the bands. Is there anthing else I can service/clean without dropping [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Ed Hopefully he didn't charge you $1,400 just to drill a hole and remap the computer? Martin On Aug 17, 11:54 am, "Ed Medlin" <ed@ edmedlin.com> wrote: > "Martin" <funkychateauS...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Ed Hopefully he didn't charge you $1,400 just to drill a hole and remap the computer? Martin LOL.........nope. Tranny was starting to slip. Ed |
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